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In reply to hokiewolf • 9:52a
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Some of that awesome foreign policy stuff

Hokie, you're between a rock and a hard place this election, huh??
not really, Israel has proven they can take care of themselves if they ignore progressives in the US.

Really thinking about voting for Harris just to punish the Republican Party for putting forth looney tunes candidates the last 3 elections.
Or… are you just showing your true colors…
I've been very consistent in that I do not like Trump, nor do I think conservative philosophy has been represented in the last three presidential elections.

Maybe 4 years of Harris will break the fever and we'll get non lunatic members of the Republican Party willing to do the work of legislating in lieu of throwing bombs and being interviewed daily in the press. Got to get back t serious people running the country.


Pretty stupid logic, but, hey, somebody wants attention, right????
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In reply to packgrad • 9:53a
packgrad said:
hokiewolf said:
caryking said:
hokiewolf said:
caryking said:
hokiewolf said:
Some of that awesome foreign policy stuff

Hokie, you're between a rock and a hard place this election, huh??
not really, Israel has proven they can take care of themselves if they ignore progressives in the US.

Really thinking about voting for Harris just to punish the Republican Party for putting forth looney tunes candidates the last 3 elections.
Or… are you just showing your true colors…
I've been very consistent in that I do not like Trump, nor do I think conservative philosophy has been represented in the last three presidential elections.

Maybe 4 years of Harris will break the fever and we'll get non lunatic members of the Republican Party willing to do the work of legislating in lieu of throwing bombs and being interviewed daily in the press. Got to get back t serious people running the country.


Pretty stupid logic, but, hey, somebody wants attention, right????
I'm answering the questions posed to me, and I stated my opinion. How is that wanting attention?
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In reply to hokiewolf • 9:55a
hokiewolf said:
packgrad said:
hokiewolf said:
caryking said:
hokiewolf said:
caryking said:
hokiewolf said:
Some of that awesome foreign policy stuff

Hokie, you're between a rock and a hard place this election, huh??
not really, Israel has proven they can take care of themselves if they ignore progressives in the US.

Really thinking about voting for Harris just to punish the Republican Party for putting forth looney tunes candidates the last 3 elections.
Or… are you just showing your true colors…
I've been very consistent in that I do not like Trump, nor do I think conservative philosophy has been represented in the last three presidential elections.

Maybe 4 years of Harris will break the fever and we'll get non lunatic members of the Republican Party willing to do the work of legislating in lieu of throwing bombs and being interviewed daily in the press. Got to get back t serious people running the country.


Pretty stupid logic, but, hey, somebody wants attention, right????
I'm answering the questions posed to me, and I stated my opinion. How is that wanting attention?


Because it's bull***** You have a history. It's obvious. But hey, civ liked your post, and he even believes you!! Haha.
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In reply to packgrad • 10:12a
packgrad said:
hokiewolf said:
packgrad said:
hokiewolf said:
caryking said:
hokiewolf said:
caryking said:
hokiewolf said:
Some of that awesome foreign policy stuff

Hokie, you're between a rock and a hard place this election, huh??
not really, Israel has proven they can take care of themselves if they ignore progressives in the US.

Really thinking about voting for Harris just to punish the Republican Party for putting forth looney tunes candidates the last 3 elections.
Or… are you just showing your true colors…
I've been very consistent in that I do not like Trump, nor do I think conservative philosophy has been represented in the last three presidential elections.

Maybe 4 years of Harris will break the fever and we'll get non lunatic members of the Republican Party willing to do the work of legislating in lieu of throwing bombs and being interviewed daily in the press. Got to get back t serious people running the country.


Pretty stupid logic, but, hey, somebody wants attention, right????
I'm answering the questions posed to me, and I stated my opinion. How is that wanting attention?


Because it's bull***** You have a history. It's obvious. But hey, civ liked your post, and he even believes you!! Haha.
didn't know you were the thought/posting police. Carry on. You just don't like that I don't think Trump is a viable candidate.
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In reply to hokiewolf • 10:15a
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Man, I'm so old I remember when democrats hated the Chaney's with a passion. What changed?
Civ thinks she's great now.


Same with McCain and Romney. Remember the nasty and hateful things our liberal friends would say about them? Again, what changed?

Yeah right. Nice try.

McCain and Romney have long been (or were in the case of McCain) two of the most sensible, moderate politicians on the Hill that participate most readily in bipartisan legislation. Romney was the only Pub that had the courage to vote to convict Trump in his impeachment trial.

McCain was even rumored to be talking to John Kerry about a split presidential ticket (a hypothetical ticket that was extremely popular in polling, BTW)

But to whatever extent you're still confused, it takes courage to not bend the knee to a wannabe autocrat that has the party ensnared in a cult of personality.

McCain, Romney, Cheney, and other select Pubs display that courage and deference to country.
they painted Romney as a dog killing racist in 2012. Ridiculous

Ridiculous? Do you remember the details?

I mean, putting your dog on the roof for a 12-hour ride and noticing something was wrong when the dog got the ****s and diarrhea started running down the back windshield, is more than a little odd.

And it will definitely draw media attention in the middle of a presidential run.

And if you stand in front of the NAACP and tell a black audience to vote for Obama if they want "free stuff," that will also definitely draw negative media attention.

A candidate's actions are going to get scrutinized when they're running for president. That's not really news.

Don't you think it's accurate that McCain and Romney have largely been viewed by the media and others as two of the most bipartisan, centrist figures in Congress over the last 10 years?

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In reply to hokiewolf • 10:18a
hokiewolf said:
packgrad said:
hokiewolf said:
packgrad said:
hokiewolf said:
caryking said:
hokiewolf said:
caryking said:
hokiewolf said:
Some of that awesome foreign policy stuff

Hokie, you're between a rock and a hard place this election, huh??
not really, Israel has proven they can take care of themselves if they ignore progressives in the US.

Really thinking about voting for Harris just to punish the Republican Party for putting forth looney tunes candidates the last 3 elections.
Or… are you just showing your true colors…
I've been very consistent in that I do not like Trump, nor do I think conservative philosophy has been represented in the last three presidential elections.

Maybe 4 years of Harris will break the fever and we'll get non lunatic members of the Republican Party willing to do the work of legislating in lieu of throwing bombs and being interviewed daily in the press. Got to get back t serious people running the country.


Pretty stupid logic, but, hey, somebody wants attention, right????
I'm answering the questions posed to me, and I stated my opinion. How is that wanting attention?


Because it's bull***** You have a history. It's obvious. But hey, civ liked your post, and he even believes you!! Haha.
didn't know you were the thought/posting police. Carry on. You just don't like that I don't think Trump is a viable candidate.


Nah. I just read through your bull***** I don't give a **** if you think Trump is a viable candidate. Your logic for Kamala is stupid. Generally your posts are not stupid, but often begging for attention. I'm just doing the math.
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10:19a
51 former US intelligence officials directly lied to the American people 4 years ago about the origins of the Hunter Biden lap top .

I'm sorry , but you are a freaking idiot if you believe what any former swamp creature says .. especially two weeks before an election .

A second thought , why aren't those 51 men being prosecuted for lying ?????
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In reply to Bas2020 • 10:24a
Bas2020 said:
51 former US intelligence officials directly lied to the American people 4 years ago about the origins of the Hunter Biden lap top .

I'm sorry , but you are a freaking idiot if you believe what any former swamp creature says .. especially two weeks before an election .

A second thought , why aren't those 51 men being prosecuted for lying ?????

Against the backdrop of known Russian interference, they thought the story seemed like more interference based on the info they had.

What's the lie again?

And since when is people offering their opinion about the origins of a media story a prosecutable offense?
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If candidates actions are going to get scrutinized, it's hard to understand why more attention has not been paid to Kamala's anti Christian stance in the last 2 weeks. First, she skipped the Al Smith dinner. Next she told rally attendees they were "at the wrong rally" when they yelled, "Jesus is Lord," and, "Christ is King". One would expect a much bigger response from the media if it had been said by someone with an R by their name.

Its crazy that Trump is winning in the polls now with 90% of main stream media basically running propaganda or interference to support her, Hollywood throwing their hats in with her, social media companies manipulating information to her benefit, and her campaign spending $270 million to his $70 million.

It just shows how historically bad a candidate she is.
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In reply to Civilized • 11:32a
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Gulfstream4 said:
Man, I'm so old I remember when democrats hated the Chaney's with a passion. What changed?

It's perfectly obvious what changed.

Liz Chaney literally sacrificed her career to not kiss the ring of a propsective president she found ethically deplorable.

That sort of self-sacrifice is admirable and in short supply in life, much less in politics.


LOLOLOL-I'm sure Mrs. Chaney is doing just fine in life. Something tells me you hate Trump more than you like the Chaney's. Anyone paying attention can see right through you liberals.
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In reply to Civilized • 11:37a
Civilized said:
Gulfstream4 said:
TheStorm said:
Gulfstream4 said:
Man, I'm so old I remember when democrats hated the Chaney's with a passion. What changed?
Civ thinks she's great now.


Same with McCain and Romney. Remember the nasty and hateful things our liberal friends would say about them? Again, what changed?

Yeah right. Nice try.

McCain and Romney have long been (or were in the case of McCain) two of the most sensible, moderate politicians on the Hill that participate most readily in bipartisan legislation. Romney was the only Pub that had the courage to vote to convict Trump in his impeachment trial.

McCain was even rumored to be talking to John Kerry about a split presidential ticket (a hypothetical ticket that was extremely popular in polling, BTW)

But to whatever extent you're still confused, it takes courage to not bend the knee to a wannabe autocrat that has the party ensnared in a cult of personality.

McCain, Romney, Cheney, and other select Pubs display that courage and deference to country.


I ain't buying it, my friend. The truth is they disliked Trump, therefore you like them.

Funny thing is you hated Bush-Chaney, McCain-Palin, Romney, Trump and you'll hate the next person to run as a Republican. Democrats are the party of hate and anger.
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In reply to CoachCase • 11:54a
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Is not it interesting that these government officials that worked under and/or appointed by Trump that are now opposing him - were also fired/dismissed by Trump?!? Only makes sense that an employee who is fired by their boss - whether warranted or not - typically does not like that boss and/or has negative things to say. It is human nature.

Granted, Trump did not fire Pence but it became obvious that their relationship late became strained. Liz Cheney? Obviously a disconnect there.

Remember one of the criticisms against Biden/Harris is that they have not fired anyone! Yet, Biden's party did eventually fire him! Good bosses will make difficult decisions at times for the better of the company. Sometimes that means firing a employee. Is not Trump a successful businessman?
It's fascinating to me that almost everyone who has worked closely with Trump came away with an extremely bad opinion of him, yet you're somehow able to translate that in your mind into something being wrong with everyone else. Never mind the CIA, FBI, etc all ringing alarm bells about him.

Could you imagine if ONE army general or ex-chief of staff said that they thought Harris was a fascist?! You guys would spontaneously combust. Or when Biden was running, could you imagine if Harris had refused to endorse him and wanted nothing to do with him?

Hey, why was Trump and Pence's relationship strained, again? Why was there a VP job opening? Anything to do with Trump siccing a violent mob on him trying to hang him?

You guys really can't see how far down the rabbit hole you really are. When you make Dick "Darth Vader" Cheney look like an American patriot that even Dems are cheering, you're on the wrong side of something pretty dark happening in our country.
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In reply to SmaptyWolf • 12:42p
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CoachCase said:
Is not it interesting that these government officials that worked under and/or appointed by Trump that are now opposing him - were also fired/dismissed by Trump?!? Only makes sense that an employee who is fired by their boss - whether warranted or not - typically does not like that boss and/or has negative things to say. It is human nature.

Granted, Trump did not fire Pence but it became obvious that their relationship late became strained. Liz Cheney? Obviously a disconnect there.

Remember one of the criticisms against Biden/Harris is that they have not fired anyone! Yet, Biden's party did eventually fire him! Good bosses will make difficult decisions at times for the better of the company. Sometimes that means firing a employee. Is not Trump a successful businessman?
It's fascinating to me that almost everyone who has worked closely with Trump came away with an extremely bad opinion of him, yet you're somehow able to translate that in your mind into something being wrong with everyone else. Never mind the CIA, FBI, etc all ringing alarm bells about him.

Could you imagine if ONE army general or ex-chief of staff said that they thought Harris was a fascist?! You guys would spontaneously combust. Or when Biden was running, could you imagine if Harris had refused to endorse him and wanted nothing to do with him?

Hey, why was Trump and Pence's relationship strained, again? Why was there a VP job opening? Anything to do with Trump siccing a violent mob on him trying to hang him?

You guys really can't see how far down the rabbit hole you really are. When you make Dick "Darth Vader" Cheney look like an American patriot that even Dems are cheering, you're on the wrong side of something pretty dark happening in our country.



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In reply to SmaptyWolf • 12:49p
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CoachCase said:
Is not it interesting that these government officials that worked under and/or appointed by Trump that are now opposing him - were also fired/dismissed by Trump?!? Only makes sense that an employee who is fired by their boss - whether warranted or not - typically does not like that boss and/or has negative things to say. It is human nature.

Granted, Trump did not fire Pence but it became obvious that their relationship late became strained. Liz Cheney? Obviously a disconnect there.

Remember one of the criticisms against Biden/Harris is that they have not fired anyone! Yet, Biden's party did eventually fire him! Good bosses will make difficult decisions at times for the better of the company. Sometimes that means firing a employee. Is not Trump a successful businessman?
It's fascinating to me that almost everyone who has worked closely with Trump came away with an extremely bad opinion of him, yet you're somehow able to translate that in your mind into something being wrong with everyone else. Never mind the CIA, FBI, etc all ringing alarm bells about him.

Could you imagine if ONE army general or ex-chief of staff said that they thought Harris was a fascist?! You guys would spontaneously combust. Or when Biden was running, could you imagine if Harris had refused to endorse him and wanted nothing to do with him?

Hey, why was Trump and Pence's relationship strained, again? Why was there a VP job opening? Anything to do with Trump siccing a violent mob on him trying to hang him?

You guys really can't see how far down the rabbit hole you really are. When you make Dick "Darth Vader" Cheney look like an American patriot that even Dems are cheering, you're on the wrong side of something pretty dark happening in our country.

Yep, never Trump. The people he fired hate him. The media out to get him. Lawfare. The system is rigged. The election was stolen.

It's his superpower.

The extent to which his behavior has been normalized, enabled, excused, or that there simply just isn't the time or bandwidth to call him out on all the crazy **** he floods the zone with is wild.

No other politician's career survives a tiny fraction of the stuff that just rolls off him.

Howard Dean had his presidential run ended by "...and we're going to go to Washington DC to take back the White House, Yeeiiiaaahhh!!!" LOL
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In reply to packgrad • 12:51p
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If candidates actions are going to get scrutinized, it's hard to understand why more attention has not been paid to Kamala's anti Christian stance in the last 2 weeks. First, she skipped the Al Smith dinner. Next she told rally attendees they were "at the wrong rally" when they yelled, "Jesus is Lord," and, "Christ is King". One would expect a much bigger response from the media if it had been said by someone with an R by their name.

Its crazy that Trump is winning in the polls now with 90% of main stream media basically running propaganda or interference to support her, Hollywood throwing their hats in with her, social media companies manipulating information to her benefit, and her campaign spending $270 million to his $70 million.

It just shows how historically bad a candidate she is.

Were the Christians at Harris' rally there to support her? Or heckle her? Sure seemed like they were hecklers. She should just turn the other cheek as they interrupt her rally, simply because they're Christian?

However bad you think Harris is, she's polling dramatically better than Biden.

Maybe her polling looking like she's within the margin of error in a tossup election is also an indication of how historically partisan the country is?

Or how short a time she's been in the race relative to her opponent?

Or how poorly incumbent party candidates are faring around the world?

And couldn't you flip this around and ask why Trump is 'only' in a tossup situation with an allegedly historically bad candidate?

If he's in a dead heat with a terrible candidate, what does that say about him?
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In reply to SmaptyWolf • 12:55p
Thanks for your input. I have my opinion, you have yours. If Harris wins, I certainly pray you are right that she is the right answer for the future of this country. I really do for multiple reasons. However, the evidence that is currently reflective of Harris/Walz does not give me much hope (plenty of examples too long to list). That thinking seems to be the trend in the latest round of polls. The evidence already exists that Trump is capable of being president (many examples too long to list). He has been there, done that. I have never said he was perfect just as you and I are not. But, in my opinion, Trump is the much better option. Again, I respect that you have your opinion. We just do not agree.

In closing, I think both parties need to go back to the drawing board. However, in my opinion, the current Democrat Party has the country on a fast track to end our democracy that the country was founded on and flourished with for over two hundred years.
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Reeks of desperation. They must be getting destroyed in internal polling.
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Reeks of desperation. They must be getting destroyed in internal polling.
#Sieve assures us that it's a 'toss up'.........he's consistent with the polls although 79% of the country says we're in the shi2ter under the Biden admin
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In reply to Civilized • 1:57p
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Bas2020 said:
51 former US intelligence officials directly lied to the American people 4 years ago about the origins of the Hunter Biden lap top .

I'm sorry , but you are a freaking idiot if you believe what any former swamp creature says .. especially two weeks before an election .

A second thought , why aren't those 51 men being prosecuted for lying ?????

Against the backdrop of known Russian interference, they thought the story seemed like more interference based on the info they had.

What's the lie again?

And since when is people offering their opinion about the origins of a media story a prosecutable offense?


100% false . The FBI knew it was real within 24 hrs of obtaining it . The officials knowingly lied to sway an election .

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In reply to Bas2020 • 2:26p
Bas2020 said:
Civilized said:
Bas2020 said:
51 former US intelligence officials directly lied to the American people 4 years ago about the origins of the Hunter Biden lap top .

I'm sorry , but you are a freaking idiot if you believe what any former swamp creature says .. especially two weeks before an election .

A second thought , why aren't those 51 men being prosecuted for lying ?????

Against the backdrop of known Russian interference, they thought the story seemed like more interference based on the info they had.

What's the lie again?

And since when is people offering their opinion about the origins of a media story a prosecutable offense?


100% false . The FBI knew it was real within 24 hrs of obtaining it . The officials knowingly lied to sway an election .



The FBI knew the laptop was real in 2019.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/1528606/fbi-knew-the-hunter-biden-laptop-was-real-in-2019-irs-whistleblowers-say/

"IRS whistleblowers revealed the FBI verified the authenticity of Hunter Biden's laptop by November 2019, nearly a year before social media companies censored stories about it."
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In reply to Bas2020 • 2:50p
Bas2020 said:
Civilized said:
Bas2020 said:
51 former US intelligence officials directly lied to the American people 4 years ago about the origins of the Hunter Biden lap top .

I'm sorry , but you are a freaking idiot if you believe what any former swamp creature says .. especially two weeks before an election .

A second thought , why aren't those 51 men being prosecuted for lying ?????

Against the backdrop of known Russian interference, they thought the story seemed like more interference based on the info they had.

What's the lie again?

And since when is people offering their opinion about the origins of a media story a prosecutable offense?


100% false . The FBI knew it was real within 24 hrs of obtaining it . The officials knowingly lied to sway an election .


You're conflating officials and agencies.

The letter-signers weren't actively involved in determining the veracity of the laptop and they said as much in the letter. They were former intelligence officials, not active, not FBI (mostly CIA/NSA), and were clear in the letter it looked like part of the Russian disinformation campaign, but that they didn't know for certain if it was or not.

Keep in mind also this was also on the heels of the Comey letter in 2016, when an agency (FBI) was again at a crossroads and their actions played a huge role in swinging that election to Trump.

Agencies were rightly going to try to stay out of public furor with electoral implications and not inject themselves into the process as occurred four years prior.

Finally, having seen all the investigations since into Hunter and his dealings, it's fortunate that a largely trivial but salacious issue didn't bear on the election in 2020. Nothing has arisen since that indicates anything on that laptop had any bearing on Joe Biden's ability to hold office or perform his duties.


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In reply to packgrad • 4:20p
Sending Obama to Michigan seems worse to me
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