El Lobo Loco said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Just saw on the news that BLM is now upset for some reason? Going to be watching this one.

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Apparently they feel that the Democrats should hold a virtual primary rather than allowing the delegates to anoint the nominee.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/black-lives-matter-demands-dnc-host-virtual-primary-2024-07-23/

BLM said that while President Joe Biden wasn't the organization's preferred candidate, the Democratic Party's actions surrounding his candidacy and dropping out were "troubling."

"Following the primary where millions of Black voters weighed in, after one poor debate performance, the DNC Party elites and billionaire donors bullied Joe Biden out of the race," the group noted.

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Rat-faced demon spawn are super excited for Kamala!!

https://instagr.am/p/C9xhKdPOTeO

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Gulfstream4 said:

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wolfbreath said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Just saw on the news that BLM is now upset for some reason? Going to be watching this one. Edit, the man for BLM has a good point. Working on a link.

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How long before the left starts labeling people racist if they don't vote for Kamala?

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You know it's coming.

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Timeline of Events

Sunday
•Joe Biden drops out.
•Kamala Harris announces campaign with Biden endorsement.
•Kamala Harris says she is going to work hard to earn the nomination.
•Kamala Harris makes calls to party delegates.

Monday
•Kamala Harris continues making calls to… pic.twitter.com/ZxzyxegZin

— Black Lives Matter (@Blklivesmatter) July 23, 2024

caryking said:

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Isn't this interesting?

Timeline of Events

Sunday
•Joe Biden drops out.
•Kamala Harris announces campaign with Biden endorsement.
•Kamala Harris says she is going to work hard to earn the nomination.
•Kamala Harris makes calls to party delegates.

Monday
•Kamala Harris continues making calls to… pic.twitter.com/ZxzyxegZin

— Black Lives Matter (@Blklivesmatter) July 23, 2024

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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Isn't this interesting?

Timeline of Events

Sunday
•Joe Biden drops out.
•Kamala Harris announces campaign with Biden endorsement.
•Kamala Harris says she is going to work hard to earn the nomination.
•Kamala Harris makes calls to party delegates.

Monday
•Kamala Harris continues making calls to… pic.twitter.com/ZxzyxegZin

— Black Lives Matter (@Blklivesmatter) July 23, 2024

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Cary, sorry a little off base and I don't have email on this site, but Bryson and Trump did a breaking 50 video and I posted that in the Trump 2024 thread if you are interested. A lot of Stitch time on there.

Sorry for the interruption.

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GuerrillaPack said:

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dogplasma said:

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I know this is getting WAY off topic, but you bring up the 70 gender thing a LOT. Can you please list them?

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They've added more. It's now over 80 per this.

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Oldsouljer said:

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Civilized said:

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Y'all are seeing what you want to see if you think "the polls" are showing Harris underperforming. Underperforming, relative to what? Polls and betting markets both have her outpacing Biden, which is all the Dems thought they would get. There's no ace in the hole that's going to all of a sudden start whooping Trump.

There are few high quality polls since she became the presumptive nominee.

And Reuters is one of the few. It has swung towards Harris from Biden by 6 points since last week. She's now leading Trump in the popular. Even if this was accurate she probably still loses given the Pubs' electoral college advantage but if her fundraising and party support keeps up, who knows what happens.

BREAKING:

Kamala Harris has pulled ahead of Donald Trump in the latest breaking Reuters/Ipsos poll.

Harris leads Trump 44 - 42%.

This poll was conducted on Monday and Tuesday. pic.twitter.com/esYZmcpL5K

— Ed Krassenstein (@EdKrassen) July 23, 2024

The polls we all want to see are the swing state polls. They mean a lot more electorally than the general.

We should all wait a week and then start talking about polls again.

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Reuters one of the more reputable? Here's their numbers…. sampling 426 Democrat voters vs. 376 Republicans and 341 Independents.

I can see why it's a dead heat. The numbers manipulators are back!

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Civilized said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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Civilized said:

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Y'all are seeing what you want to see if you think "the polls" are showing Harris underperforming. Underperforming, relative to what? Polls and betting markets both have her outpacing Biden, which is all the Dems thought they would get. There's no ace in the hole that's going to all of a sudden start whooping Trump.

There are few high quality polls since she became the presumptive nominee.

And Reuters is one of the few. It has swung towards Harris from Biden by 6 points since last week. She's now leading Trump in the popular. Even if this was accurate she probably still loses given the Pubs' electoral college advantage but if her fundraising and party support keeps up, who knows what happens.

BREAKING:

Kamala Harris has pulled ahead of Donald Trump in the latest breaking Reuters/Ipsos poll.

Harris leads Trump 44 - 42%.

This poll was conducted on Monday and Tuesday. pic.twitter.com/esYZmcpL5K

— Ed Krassenstein (@EdKrassen) July 23, 2024

The polls we all want to see are the swing state polls. They mean a lot more electorally than the general.

We should all wait a week and then start talking about polls again.

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Reuters one of the more reputable? Here's their numbers…. sampling 426 Democrat voters vs. 376 Republicans and 341 Independents.

I can see why it's a dead heat. The numbers manipulators are back!

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I don't even know what this means.

All pollsters weight the political composition of their respondents but regardless it's the relative shift (week over week) that's interesting.

The next couple weeks of data will be interesting. Kamala will absolutely get a fresh face bump relative to Biden and it will be interesting to see how durable it is.

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hokiewolf said:

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Civilized said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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Civilized said:

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Y'all are seeing what you want to see if you think "the polls" are showing Harris underperforming. Underperforming, relative to what? Polls and betting markets both have her outpacing Biden, which is all the Dems thought they would get. There's no ace in the hole that's going to all of a sudden start whooping Trump.

There are few high quality polls since she became the presumptive nominee.

And Reuters is one of the few. It has swung towards Harris from Biden by 6 points since last week. She's now leading Trump in the popular. Even if this was accurate she probably still loses given the Pubs' electoral college advantage but if her fundraising and party support keeps up, who knows what happens.

BREAKING:

Kamala Harris has pulled ahead of Donald Trump in the latest breaking Reuters/Ipsos poll.

Harris leads Trump 44 - 42%.

This poll was conducted on Monday and Tuesday. pic.twitter.com/esYZmcpL5K

— Ed Krassenstein (@EdKrassen) July 23, 2024

The polls we all want to see are the swing state polls. They mean a lot more electorally than the general.

We should all wait a week and then start talking about polls again.

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Reuters one of the more reputable? Here's their numbers…. sampling 426 Democrat voters vs. 376 Republicans and 341 Independents.

I can see why it's a dead heat. The numbers manipulators are back!

---

I don't even know what this means.

All pollsters weight the political composition of their respondents but regardless it's the relative shift (week over week) that's interesting.

The next couple weeks of data will be interesting. Kamala will absolutely get a fresh face bump relative to Biden and it will be interesting to see how durable it is.

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it won't be durable because shell layout her politics and attack Trump aggressively and that will cost her the race just like it did with Hillary

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Civilized said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Civilized said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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Civilized said:

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Y'all are seeing what you want to see if you think "the polls" are showing Harris underperforming. Underperforming, relative to what? Polls and betting markets both have her outpacing Biden, which is all the Dems thought they would get. There's no ace in the hole that's going to all of a sudden start whooping Trump.

There are few high quality polls since she became the presumptive nominee.

And Reuters is one of the few. It has swung towards Harris from Biden by 6 points since last week. She's now leading Trump in the popular. Even if this was accurate she probably still loses given the Pubs' electoral college advantage but if her fundraising and party support keeps up, who knows what happens.

BREAKING:

Kamala Harris has pulled ahead of Donald Trump in the latest breaking Reuters/Ipsos poll.

Harris leads Trump 44 - 42%.

This poll was conducted on Monday and Tuesday. pic.twitter.com/esYZmcpL5K

— Ed Krassenstein (@EdKrassen) July 23, 2024

The polls we all want to see are the swing state polls. They mean a lot more electorally than the general.

We should all wait a week and then start talking about polls again.

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Reuters one of the more reputable? Here's their numbers…. sampling 426 Democrat voters vs. 376 Republicans and 341 Independents.

I can see why it's a dead heat. The numbers manipulators are back!

---

I don't even know what this means.

All pollsters weight the political composition of their respondents but regardless it's the relative shift (week over week) that's interesting.

The next couple weeks of data will be interesting. Kamala will absolutely get a fresh face bump relative to Biden and it will be interesting to see how durable it is.

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it won't be durable because shell layout her politics and attack Trump aggressively and that will cost her the race just like it did with Hillary

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Hillary wins in 2016 but for the Comey letter.

What demographics is Harris going to fare worse with than Clinton?

And since then there's been what's viewed as an attack on reproductive rights by the right, and Trump is more susceptible now than in 2016 when he had much less negative pub to campaign against. The left is more unified against Trump than they were then.

Trump is going to look old, angry, and bumbling next to Harris.

I'm really interested to see this evolve.

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You Can’t Make This Make Sense

“I'm trying to get this straight. The party that's all about defending democracy, rigs 2 primaries in a row in 2016 and 2020 against Bernie.

Then in 2024, they roll with a corpse as their presidential candidate and forbid anybody from challenging… pic.twitter.com/SwTZ2CN0uq

— Wall Street Apes (@WallStreetApes) July 23, 2024

wolfbreath said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Just saw on the news that BLM is now upset for some reason? Going to be watching this one. Edit, the man for BLM has a good point. Working on a link.

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How long before the left starts labeling people racist if they don't vote for Kamala?

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🚨 BREAKING: Rep. Andy Ogles has introduced articles of impeachment against Vice President Kamala Harris pic.twitter.com/igiwrDalpP

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) July 23, 2024

Werewolf said:

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Nothing to come of this, just a short paragraph to the story.

🚨 BREAKING: Rep. Andy Ogles has introduced articles of impeachment against Vice President Kamala Harris pic.twitter.com/igiwrDalpP

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) July 23, 2024

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Civilized said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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Civilized said:

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Y'all are seeing what you want to see if you think "the polls" are showing Harris underperforming. Underperforming, relative to what? Polls and betting markets both have her outpacing Biden, which is all the Dems thought they would get. There's no ace in the hole that's going to all of a sudden start whooping Trump.

There are few high quality polls since she became the presumptive nominee.

And Reuters is one of the few. It has swung towards Harris from Biden by 6 points since last week. She's now leading Trump in the popular. Even if this was accurate she probably still loses given the Pubs' electoral college advantage but if her fundraising and party support keeps up, who knows what happens.

BREAKING:

Kamala Harris has pulled ahead of Donald Trump in the latest breaking Reuters/Ipsos poll.

Harris leads Trump 44 - 42%.

This poll was conducted on Monday and Tuesday. pic.twitter.com/esYZmcpL5K

— Ed Krassenstein (@EdKrassen) July 23, 2024

The polls we all want to see are the swing state polls. They mean a lot more electorally than the general.

We should all wait a week and then start talking about polls again.

---

Reuters one of the more reputable? Here's their numbers…. sampling 426 Democrat voters vs. 376 Republicans and 341 Independents.

I can see why it's a dead heat. The numbers manipulators are back!

---

I don't even know what this means.

All pollsters weight the political composition of their respondents but regardless it's the relative shift (week over week) that's interesting.

The next couple weeks of data will be interesting. Kamala will absolutely get a fresh face bump relative to Biden and it will be interesting to see how durable it is.

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packgrad said:

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lol at Trump looking old, angry, and bumbling next to Harris. Talk about TDS. Blinded by his scream at the sky rage. Harris is generally disliked even within her own party. We all know that most Dems are sheep like civ so they will line up behind her and spout whatever propaganda they are told. Harris will get beaten worse than Biden would have though. Especially the more she speaks.

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packgrad said:

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lol at Trump looking old, angry, and bumbling next to Harris. Talk about TDS. Blinded by his scream at the sky rage. Harris is generally disliked even within her own party. We all know that most Dems are sheep like civ so they will line up behind her and spout whatever propaganda they are told. Harris will get beaten worse than Biden would have though. Especially the more she speaks.

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TheStorm said:

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Werewolf said:

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Nothing to come of this, just a short paragraph to the story.

🚨 BREAKING: Rep. Andy Ogles has introduced articles of impeachment against Vice President Kamala Harris pic.twitter.com/igiwrDalpP

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) July 23, 2024

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Stupid. Like our country really needs more of this dumb **** .

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ncsupack1 said:

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Civilized said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Civilized said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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Civilized said:

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Y'all are seeing what you want to see if you think "the polls" are showing Harris underperforming. Underperforming, relative to what? Polls and betting markets both have her outpacing Biden, which is all the Dems thought they would get. There's no ace in the hole that's going to all of a sudden start whooping Trump.

There are few high quality polls since she became the presumptive nominee.

And Reuters is one of the few. It has swung towards Harris from Biden by 6 points since last week. She's now leading Trump in the popular. Even if this was accurate she probably still loses given the Pubs' electoral college advantage but if her fundraising and party support keeps up, who knows what happens.

BREAKING:

Kamala Harris has pulled ahead of Donald Trump in the latest breaking Reuters/Ipsos poll.

Harris leads Trump 44 - 42%.

This poll was conducted on Monday and Tuesday. pic.twitter.com/esYZmcpL5K

— Ed Krassenstein (@EdKrassen) July 23, 2024

The polls we all want to see are the swing state polls. They mean a lot more electorally than the general.

We should all wait a week and then start talking about polls again.

---

Reuters one of the more reputable? Here's their numbers…. sampling 426 Democrat voters vs. 376 Republicans and 341 Independents.

I can see why it's a dead heat. The numbers manipulators are back!

---

I don't even know what this means.

All pollsters weight the political composition of their respondents but regardless it's the relative shift (week over week) that's interesting.

The next couple weeks of data will be interesting. Kamala will absolutely get a fresh face bump relative to Biden and it will be interesting to see how durable it is.

---

it won't be durable because shell layout her politics and attack Trump aggressively and that will cost her the race just like it did with Hillary

---

Hillary wins in 2016 but for the Comey letter.

What demographics is Harris going to fare worse with than Clinton?

And since then there's been what's viewed as an attack on reproductive rights by the right, and Trump is more susceptible now than in 2016 when he had much less negative pub to campaign against. The left is more unified against Trump than they were then.

Trump is going to look old, angry, and bumbling next to Harris.

I'm really interested to see this evolve.

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Not sure about the letter? I think people in general are and were tired of the Clintons. She was also a poor candidate. Side note, not that this means much, but I work with a few young people who that was their first national election, and all of them voted for Trump. And every one of them said that it was due to a Clinton. Now, these same folks just hate politics and say they aren't voting at all this time. BTW, the letter didn't help her.

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Civilized said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Civilized said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Civilized said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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Civilized said:

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Y'all are seeing what you want to see if you think "the polls" are showing Harris underperforming. Underperforming, relative to what? Polls and betting markets both have her outpacing Biden, which is all the Dems thought they would get. There's no ace in the hole that's going to all of a sudden start whooping Trump.

There are few high quality polls since she became the presumptive nominee.

And Reuters is one of the few. It has swung towards Harris from Biden by 6 points since last week. She's now leading Trump in the popular. Even if this was accurate she probably still loses given the Pubs' electoral college advantage but if her fundraising and party support keeps up, who knows what happens.

BREAKING:

Kamala Harris has pulled ahead of Donald Trump in the latest breaking Reuters/Ipsos poll.

Harris leads Trump 44 - 42%.

This poll was conducted on Monday and Tuesday. pic.twitter.com/esYZmcpL5K

— Ed Krassenstein (@EdKrassen) July 23, 2024

The polls we all want to see are the swing state polls. They mean a lot more electorally than the general.

We should all wait a week and then start talking about polls again.

---

Reuters one of the more reputable? Here's their numbers…. sampling 426 Democrat voters vs. 376 Republicans and 341 Independents.

I can see why it's a dead heat. The numbers manipulators are back!

---

I don't even know what this means.

All pollsters weight the political composition of their respondents but regardless it's the relative shift (week over week) that's interesting.

The next couple weeks of data will be interesting. Kamala will absolutely get a fresh face bump relative to Biden and it will be interesting to see how durable it is.

---

it won't be durable because shell layout her politics and attack Trump aggressively and that will cost her the race just like it did with Hillary

---

Hillary wins in 2016 but for the Comey letter.

What demographics is Harris going to fare worse with than Clinton?

And since then there's been what's viewed as an attack on reproductive rights by the right, and Trump is more susceptible now than in 2016 when he had much less negative pub to campaign against. The left is more unified against Trump than they were then.

Trump is going to look old, angry, and bumbling next to Harris.

I'm really interested to see this evolve.

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Not sure about the letter? I think people in general are and were tired of the Clintons. She was also a poor candidate. Side note, not that this means much, but I work with a few young people who that was their first national election, and all of them voted for Trump. And every one of them said that it was due to a Clinton. Now, these same folks just hate politics and say they aren't voting at all this time. BTW, the letter didn't help her.

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Saying the letter hurt her badly and probably lost her the election isn't just a subjective observation.

Poll aggregators had her at a six or seven point lead around the time the letter dropped. A week later, only days before the election, that lead had dipped sharply to around 3%, with the swing states pulling into a dead heat. She never recovered.

My broader point is that we can talk about all these strategic or electoral flaws Hillary had, how unlikable she was, whatever, but even when you bake all that in she had a six or seven point lead a couple of weeks before election day and right up until that letter came out.

The country didn't push back on Hillary's politics or handling of Trump, or else she wouldn't have had a 6.5 point lead a couple of weeks before the election. The October surprise swung that election for Trump.

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Civilized said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Civilized said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Civilized said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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Civilized said:

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Y'all are seeing what you want to see if you think "the polls" are showing Harris underperforming. Underperforming, relative to what? Polls and betting markets both have her outpacing Biden, which is all the Dems thought they would get. There's no ace in the hole that's going to all of a sudden start whooping Trump.

There are few high quality polls since she became the presumptive nominee.

And Reuters is one of the few. It has swung towards Harris from Biden by 6 points since last week. She's now leading Trump in the popular. Even if this was accurate she probably still loses given the Pubs' electoral college advantage but if her fundraising and party support keeps up, who knows what happens.

BREAKING:

Kamala Harris has pulled ahead of Donald Trump in the latest breaking Reuters/Ipsos poll.

Harris leads Trump 44 - 42%.

This poll was conducted on Monday and Tuesday. pic.twitter.com/esYZmcpL5K

— Ed Krassenstein (@EdKrassen) July 23, 2024

The polls we all want to see are the swing state polls. They mean a lot more electorally than the general.

We should all wait a week and then start talking about polls again.

---

Reuters one of the more reputable? Here's their numbers…. sampling 426 Democrat voters vs. 376 Republicans and 341 Independents.

I can see why it's a dead heat. The numbers manipulators are back!

---

I don't even know what this means.

All pollsters weight the political composition of their respondents but regardless it's the relative shift (week over week) that's interesting.

The next couple weeks of data will be interesting. Kamala will absolutely get a fresh face bump relative to Biden and it will be interesting to see how durable it is.

---

it won't be durable because shell layout her politics and attack Trump aggressively and that will cost her the race just like it did with Hillary

---

Hillary wins in 2016 but for the Comey letter.

What demographics is Harris going to fare worse with than Clinton?

And since then there's been what's viewed as an attack on reproductive rights by the right, and Trump is more susceptible now than in 2016 when he had much less negative pub to campaign against. The left is more unified against Trump than they were then.

Trump is going to look old, angry, and bumbling next to Harris.

I'm really interested to see this evolve.

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Not sure about the letter? I think people in general are and were tired of the Clintons. She was also a poor candidate. Side note, not that this means much, but I work with a few young people who that was their first national election, and all of them voted for Trump. And every one of them said that it was due to a Clinton. Now, these same folks just hate politics and say they aren't voting at all this time. BTW, the letter didn't help her.

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Saying the letter hurt her badly and probably lost her the election isn't just a subjective observation.

Poll aggregators had her at a six or seven point lead around the time the letter dropped. A week later, only days before the election, that lead had dipped sharply to around 3%, with the swing states pulling into a dead heat. She never recovered.

My broader point is that we can talk about all these strategic or electoral flaws Hillary had, how unlikable she was, whatever, but even when you bake all that in she had a six or seven point lead a couple of weeks before election day and right up until that letter came out.

The country didn't push back on Hillary's politics or handling of Trump, or else she wouldn't have had a 6.5 point lead a couple of weeks before the election. The October surprise swung that election for Trump.

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Oldsouljer said:

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Civilized said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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Civilized said:

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Y'all are seeing what you want to see if you think "the polls" are showing Harris underperforming. Underperforming, relative to what? Polls and betting markets both have her outpacing Biden, which is all the Dems thought they would get. There's no ace in the hole that's going to all of a sudden start whooping Trump.

There are few high quality polls since she became the presumptive nominee.

And Reuters is one of the few. It has swung towards Harris from Biden by 6 points since last week. She's now leading Trump in the popular. Even if this was accurate she probably still loses given the Pubs' electoral college advantage but if her fundraising and party support keeps up, who knows what happens.

BREAKING:

Kamala Harris has pulled ahead of Donald Trump in the latest breaking Reuters/Ipsos poll.

Harris leads Trump 44 - 42%.

This poll was conducted on Monday and Tuesday. pic.twitter.com/esYZmcpL5K

— Ed Krassenstein (@EdKrassen) July 23, 2024

The polls we all want to see are the swing state polls. They mean a lot more electorally than the general.

We should all wait a week and then start talking about polls again.

---

Reuters one of the more reputable? Here's their numbers…. sampling 426 Democrat voters vs. 376 Republicans and 341 Independents.

I can see why it's a dead heat. The numbers manipulators are back!

---

I don't even know what this means.

All pollsters weight the political composition of their respondents but regardless it's the relative shift (week over week) that's interesting.

The next couple weeks of data will be interesting. Kamala will absolutely get a fresh face bump relative to Biden and it will be interesting to see how durable it is.

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These are simple numbers. If you can comprehend Kamala's word salads, this should be easy.

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Civilized said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Civilized said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Civilized said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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Civilized said:

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Y'all are seeing what you want to see if you think "the polls" are showing Harris underperforming. Underperforming, relative to what? Polls and betting markets both have her outpacing Biden, which is all the Dems thought they would get. There's no ace in the hole that's going to all of a sudden start whooping Trump.

There are few high quality polls since she became the presumptive nominee.

And Reuters is one of the few. It has swung towards Harris from Biden by 6 points since last week. She's now leading Trump in the popular. Even if this was accurate she probably still loses given the Pubs' electoral college advantage but if her fundraising and party support keeps up, who knows what happens.

BREAKING:

Kamala Harris has pulled ahead of Donald Trump in the latest breaking Reuters/Ipsos poll.

Harris leads Trump 44 - 42%.

This poll was conducted on Monday and Tuesday. pic.twitter.com/esYZmcpL5K

— Ed Krassenstein (@EdKrassen) July 23, 2024

The polls we all want to see are the swing state polls. They mean a lot more electorally than the general.

We should all wait a week and then start talking about polls again.

---

Reuters one of the more reputable? Here's their numbers…. sampling 426 Democrat voters vs. 376 Republicans and 341 Independents.

I can see why it's a dead heat. The numbers manipulators are back!

---

I don't even know what this means.

All pollsters weight the political composition of their respondents but regardless it's the relative shift (week over week) that's interesting.

The next couple weeks of data will be interesting. Kamala will absolutely get a fresh face bump relative to Biden and it will be interesting to see how durable it is.

---

it won't be durable because shell layout her politics and attack Trump aggressively and that will cost her the race just like it did with Hillary

---

Hillary wins in 2016 but for the Comey letter.

What demographics is Harris going to fare worse with than Clinton?

And since then there's been what's viewed as an attack on reproductive rights by the right, and Trump is more susceptible now than in 2016 when he had much less negative pub to campaign against. The left is more unified against Trump than they were then.

Trump is going to look old, angry, and bumbling next to Harris.

I'm really interested to see this evolve.

---

Not sure about the letter? I think people in general are and were tired of the Clintons. She was also a poor candidate. Side note, not that this means much, but I work with a few young people who that was their first national election, and all of them voted for Trump. And every one of them said that it was due to a Clinton. Now, these same folks just hate politics and say they aren't voting at all this time. BTW, the letter didn't help her.

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Saying the letter hurt her badly and probably lost her the election isn't just a subjective observation.

Poll aggregators had her at a six or seven point lead around the time the letter dropped. A week later, only days before the election, that lead had dipped sharply to around 3%, with the swing states pulling into a dead heat. She never recovered.

My broader point is that we can talk about all these strategic or electoral flaws Hillary had, how unlikable she was, whatever, but even when you bake all that in she had a six or seven point lead a couple of weeks before election day and right up until that letter came out.

The country didn't push back on Hillary's politics or handling of Trump, or else she wouldn't have had a 6.5 point lead a couple of weeks before the election. The October surprise swung that election for Trump.

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