Interesting question. Also subjective. I'd like to see three different contractors receive bid sheets for what Avent and the school might want to build for that $30M, and then look at them when they come back to see what the builders would provide. I image there would be quite a few differences based on interpretationPoleD said:
Even if we had $30M in hand would you trust that we would get the most out of it?
wilmwolf80 said:
We could build a replica of Yankee stadium and there would be people complaining that it wasn't Fenway. It's the nature of the beast, you can't please everyone. What we're doing seems to be what Avent and the players want, so that's good enough to me.
BobbyCox95 said:wilmwolf80 said:
We could build a replica of Yankee stadium and there would be people complaining that it wasn't Fenway. It's the nature of the beast, you can't please everyone. What we're doing seems to be what Avent and the players want, so that's good enough to me.
Hmmm I dunno. Hard to say we will just complain about anything when you look at the Doak compared to our peers. I think we have a legitimate complaint. Nobody is complaining about Carter Finley or Reynolds or Lonnie Poole or Derr etc.
wilmwolf80 said:BobbyCox95 said:wilmwolf80 said:
We could build a replica of Yankee stadium and there would be people complaining that it wasn't Fenway. It's the nature of the beast, you can't please everyone. What we're doing seems to be what Avent and the players want, so that's good enough to me.
Hmmm I dunno. Hard to say we will just complain about anything when you look at the Doak compared to our peers. I think we have a legitimate complaint. Nobody is complaining about Carter Finley or Reynolds or Lonnie Poole or Derr etc.
Lololol, everyone complains about Carter Finley, including me, do you even read the threads around here? A large group of people still complain we spent the money on Reynolds instead of on other things, like baseball. Plenty of people hate PNC. If complaining about stuff raised money, NC State would be rich.
.@OU_Baseball announces an estimated $30M ballpark renovation with a strong emphasis on player development facilities. Great to see and certainly well deserved. https://t.co/uYf00GVuMB
— Kendall Rogers (@KendallRogers) June 17, 2022
THis story's been told also. Willis Casey, like many in the generation who came up in the Great Depression (the one in the 1930s), was, I've been told, extremely debt averse, and evidently he spent all extra revenues from 1967 until the early 80s paying off the original Carter Stadium bonds (with an extremely low interest rate) off early so athletics department could be "debt free". But clearly in doing so, he dug us into a facilities hole it's taken decades to climb out of...It's an example of a cash flow/cash management philosophy that is naturally appealing at a very simplistic level ("live within your means"), but when you think about it in a more sophisticated way, it causes problems down the road...BobbyCox95 said:wilmwolf80 said:
I don't disagree, they should've put more money in baseball over the years. They've been focused on football facilities spending, which up until recently was necessary just to be competitive. Fact is, they've had to pick and choose because of the money that was available, and they've chosen football. So, we can sit around and wonder how we got here, but you can't change the past. If we want baseball to have better facilities in the here and now, giving money directly to this project is the way to do it. We heard for years that there were folks ready to open their checkbooks as soon as Yow was gone, so it shouldn't be a problem to meet and exceed the current goals.
I think 10 million raised in just a couple months is pretty good. Especially considering everyone's financial investments are most likely tanking right now. Maybe to go even deeper I wonder how we got to this point even before 20 years ago. I know…..off topic, but how did we go from the mid 60's to 1998 with almost no facility investment other than the Weisiger Brown facility. If we already had a decent stadium 20-30 years ago then pouring 15 million now could make it top of the line. But instead, here we are putting lipstick on the pig. If I'm being honest, even with these enhancements, optically it's still one of the worst in the conference.
wilmwolf80 said:BobbyCox95 said:wilmwolf80 said:
We could build a replica of Yankee stadium and there would be people complaining that it wasn't Fenway. It's the nature of the beast, you can't please everyone. What we're doing seems to be what Avent and the players want, so that's good enough to me.
Hmmm I dunno. Hard to say we will just complain about anything when you look at the Doak compared to our peers. I think we have a legitimate complaint. Nobody is complaining about Carter Finley or Reynolds or Lonnie Poole or Derr etc.
Lololol, everyone complains about Carter Finley, including me, do you even read the threads around here? A large group of people still complain we spent the money on Reynolds instead of on other things, like baseball. Plenty of people hate PNC. If complaining about stuff raised money, NC State would be rich.
Makes sense. I hadn't heard that. But man, did it put us behind. Look at our facilities in the late 90's (pre PNC). Had to be the worst in the conference if not all of P5.89_Grad said:THis story's been told also. Willis Casey, like many in the generation who came up in the Great Depression (the one in the 1930s), was, I've been told, extremely debt averse, and evidently he spent all extra revenues from 1967 until the early 80s paying off the original Carter Stadium bonds (with an extremely low interest rate) off early so athletics department could be "debt free". But clearly in doing so, he dug us into a facilities hole it's taken decades to climb out of...It's an example of a cash flow/cash management philosophy that is naturally appealing at a very simplistic level ("live within your means"), but when you think about it in a more sophisticated way, it causes problems down the road...BobbyCox95 said:wilmwolf80 said:
I don't disagree, they should've put more money in baseball over the years. They've been focused on football facilities spending, which up until recently was necessary just to be competitive. Fact is, they've had to pick and choose because of the money that was available, and they've chosen football. So, we can sit around and wonder how we got here, but you can't change the past. If we want baseball to have better facilities in the here and now, giving money directly to this project is the way to do it. We heard for years that there were folks ready to open their checkbooks as soon as Yow was gone, so it shouldn't be a problem to meet and exceed the current goals.
I think 10 million raised in just a couple months is pretty good. Especially considering everyone's financial investments are most likely tanking right now. Maybe to go even deeper I wonder how we got to this point even before 20 years ago. I know…..off topic, but how did we go from the mid 60's to 1998 with almost no facility investment other than the Weisiger Brown facility. If we already had a decent stadium 20-30 years ago then pouring 15 million now could make it top of the line. But instead, here we are putting lipstick on the pig. If I'm being honest, even with these enhancements, optically it's still one of the worst in the conference.
Yep, give me a 3% percent 30 year bond or mortgage and I'll never pay that sucker off. Make all the payments on time but over time with inflation typically at 2- 2.5% it's almost free money.89_Grad said:THis story's been told also. Willis Casey, like many in the generation who came up in the Great Depression (the one in the 1930s), was, I've been told, extremely debt averse, and evidently he spent all extra revenues from 1967 until the early 80s paying off the original Carter Stadium bonds (with an extremely low interest rate) off early so athletics department could be "debt free". But clearly in doing so, he dug us into a facilities hole it's taken decades to climb out of...It's an example of a cash flow/cash management philosophy that is naturally appealing at a very simplistic level ("live within your means"), but when you think about it in a more sophisticated way, it causes problems down the road...BobbyCox95 said:wilmwolf80 said:
I don't disagree, they should've put more money in baseball over the years. They've been focused on football facilities spending, which up until recently was necessary just to be competitive. Fact is, they've had to pick and choose because of the money that was available, and they've chosen football. So, we can sit around and wonder how we got here, but you can't change the past. If we want baseball to have better facilities in the here and now, giving money directly to this project is the way to do it. We heard for years that there were folks ready to open their checkbooks as soon as Yow was gone, so it shouldn't be a problem to meet and exceed the current goals.
I think 10 million raised in just a couple months is pretty good. Especially considering everyone's financial investments are most likely tanking right now. Maybe to go even deeper I wonder how we got to this point even before 20 years ago. I know…..off topic, but how did we go from the mid 60's to 1998 with almost no facility investment other than the Weisiger Brown facility. If we already had a decent stadium 20-30 years ago then pouring 15 million now could make it top of the line. But instead, here we are putting lipstick on the pig. If I'm being honest, even with these enhancements, optically it's still one of the worst in the conference.
Damn skip. Pure time value of money. That's why when we refinanced at sub 3% I quit paying extra on the monthly. Makes no sense.78wilsonpack said:Yep, give me a 3% percent 30 year bond or mortgage and I'll never pay that sucker off. Make all the payments on time but over time with inflation typically at 2- 2.5% it's almost free money.89_Grad said:THis story's been told also. Willis Casey, like many in the generation who came up in the Great Depression (the one in the 1930s), was, I've been told, extremely debt averse, and evidently he spent all extra revenues from 1967 until the early 80s paying off the original Carter Stadium bonds (with an extremely low interest rate) off early so athletics department could be "debt free". But clearly in doing so, he dug us into a facilities hole it's taken decades to climb out of...It's an example of a cash flow/cash management philosophy that is naturally appealing at a very simplistic level ("live within your means"), but when you think about it in a more sophisticated way, it causes problems down the road...BobbyCox95 said:wilmwolf80 said:
I don't disagree, they should've put more money in baseball over the years. They've been focused on football facilities spending, which up until recently was necessary just to be competitive. Fact is, they've had to pick and choose because of the money that was available, and they've chosen football. So, we can sit around and wonder how we got here, but you can't change the past. If we want baseball to have better facilities in the here and now, giving money directly to this project is the way to do it. We heard for years that there were folks ready to open their checkbooks as soon as Yow was gone, so it shouldn't be a problem to meet and exceed the current goals.
I think 10 million raised in just a couple months is pretty good. Especially considering everyone's financial investments are most likely tanking right now. Maybe to go even deeper I wonder how we got to this point even before 20 years ago. I know…..off topic, but how did we go from the mid 60's to 1998 with almost no facility investment other than the Weisiger Brown facility. If we already had a decent stadium 20-30 years ago then pouring 15 million now could make it top of the line. But instead, here we are putting lipstick on the pig. If I'm being honest, even with these enhancements, optically it's still one of the worst in the conference.
I'll take all the 3% long term loans you'll give me.
I did it one better - refinanced a while back 30 years and took cash out. I'm serious, I'll take all the 3% or below money you will lend me.WolfQuacker said:Damn skip. Pure time value of money. That's why when we refinanced at sub 3% I quit paying extra on the monthly. Makes no sense.78wilsonpack said:Yep, give me a 3% percent 30 year bond or mortgage and I'll never pay that sucker off. Make all the payments on time but over time with inflation typically at 2- 2.5% it's almost free money.89_Grad said:THis story's been told also. Willis Casey, like many in the generation who came up in the Great Depression (the one in the 1930s), was, I've been told, extremely debt averse, and evidently he spent all extra revenues from 1967 until the early 80s paying off the original Carter Stadium bonds (with an extremely low interest rate) off early so athletics department could be "debt free". But clearly in doing so, he dug us into a facilities hole it's taken decades to climb out of...It's an example of a cash flow/cash management philosophy that is naturally appealing at a very simplistic level ("live within your means"), but when you think about it in a more sophisticated way, it causes problems down the road...BobbyCox95 said:wilmwolf80 said:
I don't disagree, they should've put more money in baseball over the years. They've been focused on football facilities spending, which up until recently was necessary just to be competitive. Fact is, they've had to pick and choose because of the money that was available, and they've chosen football. So, we can sit around and wonder how we got here, but you can't change the past. If we want baseball to have better facilities in the here and now, giving money directly to this project is the way to do it. We heard for years that there were folks ready to open their checkbooks as soon as Yow was gone, so it shouldn't be a problem to meet and exceed the current goals.
I think 10 million raised in just a couple months is pretty good. Especially considering everyone's financial investments are most likely tanking right now. Maybe to go even deeper I wonder how we got to this point even before 20 years ago. I know…..off topic, but how did we go from the mid 60's to 1998 with almost no facility investment other than the Weisiger Brown facility. If we already had a decent stadium 20-30 years ago then pouring 15 million now could make it top of the line. But instead, here we are putting lipstick on the pig. If I'm being honest, even with these enhancements, optically it's still one of the worst in the conference.
I'll take all the 3% long term loans you'll give me.
78wilsonpack said:I did it one better - refinanced a while back 30 years and took cash out. I'm serious, I'll take all the 3% or below money you will lend me.WolfQuacker said:Damn skip. Pure time value of money. That's why when we refinanced at sub 3% I quit paying extra on the monthly. Makes no sense.78wilsonpack said:Yep, give me a 3% percent 30 year bond or mortgage and I'll never pay that sucker off. Make all the payments on time but over time with inflation typically at 2- 2.5% it's almost free money.89_Grad said:THis story's been told also. Willis Casey, like many in the generation who came up in the Great Depression (the one in the 1930s), was, I've been told, extremely debt averse, and evidently he spent all extra revenues from 1967 until the early 80s paying off the original Carter Stadium bonds (with an extremely low interest rate) off early so athletics department could be "debt free". But clearly in doing so, he dug us into a facilities hole it's taken decades to climb out of...It's an example of a cash flow/cash management philosophy that is naturally appealing at a very simplistic level ("live within your means"), but when you think about it in a more sophisticated way, it causes problems down the road...BobbyCox95 said:wilmwolf80 said:
I don't disagree, they should've put more money in baseball over the years. They've been focused on football facilities spending, which up until recently was necessary just to be competitive. Fact is, they've had to pick and choose because of the money that was available, and they've chosen football. So, we can sit around and wonder how we got here, but you can't change the past. If we want baseball to have better facilities in the here and now, giving money directly to this project is the way to do it. We heard for years that there were folks ready to open their checkbooks as soon as Yow was gone, so it shouldn't be a problem to meet and exceed the current goals.
I think 10 million raised in just a couple months is pretty good. Especially considering everyone's financial investments are most likely tanking right now. Maybe to go even deeper I wonder how we got to this point even before 20 years ago. I know…..off topic, but how did we go from the mid 60's to 1998 with almost no facility investment other than the Weisiger Brown facility. If we already had a decent stadium 20-30 years ago then pouring 15 million now could make it top of the line. But instead, here we are putting lipstick on the pig. If I'm being honest, even with these enhancements, optically it's still one of the worst in the conference.
I'll take all the 3% long term loans you'll give me.
Dave Ramsey or whatever his name is a fool and gives, in my opinion, gives
bad advice.
But "Pay your mortgage off asap" was definitely not great advice especially in the previous low interest envBigLefty24 said:78wilsonpack said:I did it one better - refinanced a while back 30 years and took cash out. I'm serious, I'll take all the 3% or below money you will lend me.WolfQuacker said:Damn skip. Pure time value of money. That's why when we refinanced at sub 3% I quit paying extra on the monthly. Makes no sense.78wilsonpack said:Yep, give me a 3% percent 30 year bond or mortgage and I'll never pay that sucker off. Make all the payments on time but over time with inflation typically at 2- 2.5% it's almost free money.89_Grad said:THis story's been told also. Willis Casey, like many in the generation who came up in the Great Depression (the one in the 1930s), was, I've been told, extremely debt averse, and evidently he spent all extra revenues from 1967 until the early 80s paying off the original Carter Stadium bonds (with an extremely low interest rate) off early so athletics department could be "debt free". But clearly in doing so, he dug us into a facilities hole it's taken decades to climb out of...It's an example of a cash flow/cash management philosophy that is naturally appealing at a very simplistic level ("live within your means"), but when you think about it in a more sophisticated way, it causes problems down the road...BobbyCox95 said:wilmwolf80 said:
I don't disagree, they should've put more money in baseball over the years. They've been focused on football facilities spending, which up until recently was necessary just to be competitive. Fact is, they've had to pick and choose because of the money that was available, and they've chosen football. So, we can sit around and wonder how we got here, but you can't change the past. If we want baseball to have better facilities in the here and now, giving money directly to this project is the way to do it. We heard for years that there were folks ready to open their checkbooks as soon as Yow was gone, so it shouldn't be a problem to meet and exceed the current goals.
I think 10 million raised in just a couple months is pretty good. Especially considering everyone's financial investments are most likely tanking right now. Maybe to go even deeper I wonder how we got to this point even before 20 years ago. I know…..off topic, but how did we go from the mid 60's to 1998 with almost no facility investment other than the Weisiger Brown facility. If we already had a decent stadium 20-30 years ago then pouring 15 million now could make it top of the line. But instead, here we are putting lipstick on the pig. If I'm being honest, even with these enhancements, optically it's still one of the worst in the conference.
I'll take all the 3% long term loans you'll give me.
Dave Ramsey or whatever his name is a fool and gives, in my opinion, gives
bad advice.
Dave Ramsey is a financial genius. You might be the first person I have ever heard say he gives bad advice, much less call him a fool.
He also has a net worth of $200M.
desiwolf said:But "Pay your mortgage off asap" was definitely not great advice especially in the previous low interest envBigLefty24 said:78wilsonpack said:I did it one better - refinanced a while back 30 years and took cash out. I'm serious, I'll take all the 3% or below money you will lend me.WolfQuacker said:Damn skip. Pure time value of money. That's why when we refinanced at sub 3% I quit paying extra on the monthly. Makes no sense.78wilsonpack said:Yep, give me a 3% percent 30 year bond or mortgage and I'll never pay that sucker off. Make all the payments on time but over time with inflation typically at 2- 2.5% it's almost free money.89_Grad said:THis story's been told also. Willis Casey, like many in the generation who came up in the Great Depression (the one in the 1930s), was, I've been told, extremely debt averse, and evidently he spent all extra revenues from 1967 until the early 80s paying off the original Carter Stadium bonds (with an extremely low interest rate) off early so athletics department could be "debt free". But clearly in doing so, he dug us into a facilities hole it's taken decades to climb out of...It's an example of a cash flow/cash management philosophy that is naturally appealing at a very simplistic level ("live within your means"), but when you think about it in a more sophisticated way, it causes problems down the road...BobbyCox95 said:wilmwolf80 said:
I don't disagree, they should've put more money in baseball over the years. They've been focused on football facilities spending, which up until recently was necessary just to be competitive. Fact is, they've had to pick and choose because of the money that was available, and they've chosen football. So, we can sit around and wonder how we got here, but you can't change the past. If we want baseball to have better facilities in the here and now, giving money directly to this project is the way to do it. We heard for years that there were folks ready to open their checkbooks as soon as Yow was gone, so it shouldn't be a problem to meet and exceed the current goals.
I think 10 million raised in just a couple months is pretty good. Especially considering everyone's financial investments are most likely tanking right now. Maybe to go even deeper I wonder how we got to this point even before 20 years ago. I know…..off topic, but how did we go from the mid 60's to 1998 with almost no facility investment other than the Weisiger Brown facility. If we already had a decent stadium 20-30 years ago then pouring 15 million now could make it top of the line. But instead, here we are putting lipstick on the pig. If I'm being honest, even with these enhancements, optically it's still one of the worst in the conference.
I'll take all the 3% long term loans you'll give me.
Dave Ramsey or whatever his name is a fool and gives, in my opinion, gives
bad advice.
Dave Ramsey is a financial genius. You might be the first person I have ever heard say he gives bad advice, much less call him a fool.
He also has a net worth of $200M.
Ah so getting hit by a truck after paying off the mortgage is OK?! How did I NOT think of that? So now the wife and kids can eat Govt cheese in a house... Thats great! Have you heard of the concept of insurance?!! And what happens if you paid off your mortgage and a housing crash ala 2008 happens?!BigLefty24 said:desiwolf said:But "Pay your mortgage off asap" was definitely not great advice especially in the previous low interest envBigLefty24 said:78wilsonpack said:I did it one better - refinanced a while back 30 years and took cash out. I'm serious, I'll take all the 3% or below money you will lend me.WolfQuacker said:Damn skip. Pure time value of money. That's why when we refinanced at sub 3% I quit paying extra on the monthly. Makes no sense.78wilsonpack said:Yep, give me a 3% percent 30 year bond or mortgage and I'll never pay that sucker off. Make all the payments on time but over time with inflation typically at 2- 2.5% it's almost free money.89_Grad said:THis story's been told also. Willis Casey, like many in the generation who came up in the Great Depression (the one in the 1930s), was, I've been told, extremely debt averse, and evidently he spent all extra revenues from 1967 until the early 80s paying off the original Carter Stadium bonds (with an extremely low interest rate) off early so athletics department could be "debt free". But clearly in doing so, he dug us into a facilities hole it's taken decades to climb out of...It's an example of a cash flow/cash management philosophy that is naturally appealing at a very simplistic level ("live within your means"), but when you think about it in a more sophisticated way, it causes problems down the road...BobbyCox95 said:wilmwolf80 said:
I don't disagree, they should've put more money in baseball over the years. They've been focused on football facilities spending, which up until recently was necessary just to be competitive. Fact is, they've had to pick and choose because of the money that was available, and they've chosen football. So, we can sit around and wonder how we got here, but you can't change the past. If we want baseball to have better facilities in the here and now, giving money directly to this project is the way to do it. We heard for years that there were folks ready to open their checkbooks as soon as Yow was gone, so it shouldn't be a problem to meet and exceed the current goals.
I think 10 million raised in just a couple months is pretty good. Especially considering everyone's financial investments are most likely tanking right now. Maybe to go even deeper I wonder how we got to this point even before 20 years ago. I know…..off topic, but how did we go from the mid 60's to 1998 with almost no facility investment other than the Weisiger Brown facility. If we already had a decent stadium 20-30 years ago then pouring 15 million now could make it top of the line. But instead, here we are putting lipstick on the pig. If I'm being honest, even with these enhancements, optically it's still one of the worst in the conference.
I'll take all the 3% long term loans you'll give me.
Dave Ramsey or whatever his name is a fool and gives, in my opinion, gives
bad advice.
Dave Ramsey is a financial genius. You might be the first person I have ever heard say he gives bad advice, much less call him a fool.
He also has a net worth of $200M.
His message is a little more involved than that. It's geared to be simple to understand for the masses, and a big part of his message is risk. Paying off your mortgage early eliminates a ton of risk, adds an asset to your net worth that is geared to increase in value, and allows you to focus on dumping all of that money into mutual funds once the mortgage is paid off.
Yes, a few savvy folks could pull out their calculators, meet with a financial planner who will be incentivized for you to direct money towards him, and the two of you can probably figure out a way to pull money from a low interest mortgage loan and use it to your advantage. That sounds great until you're hit by a log truck, and you no longer can pay that mortgage, the house gets foreclosed, and your wife and kids are now living in a van down by the river with Chris Farley eating a steady diet of government cheese. All because you wanted to use your mortgage loan to buy Bitcoin.
Wolfer79 said:
.@OU_Baseball announces an estimated $30M ballpark renovation with a strong emphasis on player development facilities. Great to see and certainly well deserved.
A "re-envisioned" approach is something NC State baseball facilities have needed and will continue to need to stay relevant. Make no mistake - we are falling farther and farther behind..@OU_Baseball announces an estimated $30M ballpark renovation with a strong emphasis on player development facilities. Great to see and certainly well deserved. https://t.co/uYf00GVuMB
— Kendall Rogers (@KendallRogers) June 17, 2022
Great idea, but do you think we ever want to get in another (RBC/PNC) situation where we have limited control?Pakbackr said:
Serious question here - wonder if NC State has ever had a conversation with the City of Raleigh about a coordinated multi-purpose stadium effort out near CF or on the Dix Park land...a premiere venue that could serve as the home to NC State baseball and also host a summer collegiate team and/or host major travel tournaments? It just seems like a missed opportunity.
Didn't Cary win the race to build that with the Team USA training facility?Pakbackr said:
Serious question here - wonder if NC State has ever had a conversation with the City of Raleigh about a coordinated multi-purpose stadium effort out near CF or on the Dix Park land...a premiere venue that could serve as the home to NC State baseball and also host a summer collegiate team and/or host major travel tournaments? It just seems like a missed opportunity.
Yes - Durham Bulls met with NC State to build a facility at CF. After Atlanta got the 96 Olympics, Coach V thought NC State/Raleigh should have an Olympic style village at CF. The Bulls were looking to upgrade from the old DAP and they talked of a joint use facility. Frank Weedon showed me the blue prints years ago. Evidently there were a few meetings on the subject.Pakbackr said:
Serious question here - wonder if NC State has ever had a conversation with the City of Raleigh about a coordinated multi-purpose stadium effort out near CF or on the Dix Park land...a premiere venue that could serve as the home to NC State baseball and also host a summer collegiate team and/or host major travel tournaments? It just seems like a missed opportunity.
Wow, never heard this. Wonder what happened? Saying that, I am sure it was 'money' happened...and I am guessing that is why the Bulls are in BPAP. My question was really more focused on 'non-professional' collaborations knowing that the Bulls blocked the Mudcats from even being in Raleigh.FinsUp said:Yes - Durham Bulls met with NC State to build a facility at CF. After Atlanta got the 96 Olympics, Coach V thought NC State/Raleigh should have an Olympic style village at CF. The Bulls were looking to upgrade from the old DAP and they talked of a joint use facility. Frank Weedon showed me the blue prints years ago. Evidently there were a few meetings on the subject.Pakbackr said:
Serious question here - wonder if NC State has ever had a conversation with the City of Raleigh about a coordinated multi-purpose stadium effort out near CF or on the Dix Park land...a premiere venue that could serve as the home to NC State baseball and also host a summer collegiate team and/or host major travel tournaments? It just seems like a missed opportunity.
Valvano was very forward thinking. He had an idea of a shared 35,000 seat basketball arena that could be used for shows concerts, etc to be built in the Research Triangle Park. Large home games could be played by State, Duke and UNC. I even heard him answer a question at a Wolfpack gathering about a shared baseball facility that he would build it "expandable" in case the Major Leagues want to look at Raleigh. This was in the late 80's I think, prior to all the "Personal Fouls" mess. In the late 90's, after his death, the Twins used the Triad to get a new stadium in Minnesota. Who knows what would have happened if the city and area leaders had listened to him.Pakbackr said:Wow, never heard this. Wonder what happened? Saying that, I am sure it was 'money' happened...and I am guessing that is why the Bulls are in BPAP. My question was really more focused on 'non-professional' collaborations knowing that the Bulls blocked the Mudcats from even being in Raleigh.FinsUp said:Yes - Durham Bulls met with NC State to build a facility at CF. After Atlanta got the 96 Olympics, Coach V thought NC State/Raleigh should have an Olympic style village at CF. The Bulls were looking to upgrade from the old DAP and they talked of a joint use facility. Frank Weedon showed me the blue prints years ago. Evidently there were a few meetings on the subject.Pakbackr said:
Serious question here - wonder if NC State has ever had a conversation with the City of Raleigh about a coordinated multi-purpose stadium effort out near CF or on the Dix Park land...a premiere venue that could serve as the home to NC State baseball and also host a summer collegiate team and/or host major travel tournaments? It just seems like a missed opportunity.
Doak Field at Dail Park Stadium Enhancement Project Update:
— #Pack9 ⚾️ (@NCStateBaseball) June 28, 2022
We have $10.8 million in committed donations right now. 72% to our goal!
Thank you #WPN!!
Click here to learn more about the updates or to contribute to the project: https://t.co/beRSQdmpmv pic.twitter.com/LLate4jCgN
Pakbackr said:
Jeez, Avent will be retired before this 'lipstick' project is completed.
How much do I have to contribute to get a seat in the shade?CLTWolf said:Pakbackr said:
Jeez, Avent will be retired before this 'lipstick' project is completed.
How much did you contribute?
probably more than zero...I40Wolf said:How much do I have to contribute to get a seat in the shade?CLTWolf said:Pakbackr said:
Jeez, Avent will be retired before this 'lipstick' project is completed.
How much did you contribute?
You don't know me or what I have contributed over my life time. I have been a WPC member for 40 years with a rank in the low 700s. I am a mutli-sport season ticket holder with LTRs. Our lifetime giving to NC State is over 6 figures...and I am not rich by any means. We even have documented estate plan to create a named scholarship when I pass. So I kindly as not to question what I have given dude!CLTWolf said:Pakbackr said:
Jeez, Avent will be retired before this 'lipstick' project is completed.
How much did you contribute?
