NASCAR Cup Charlotte Sunday on NBC averaged 2.419m

The Xfinity race Saturday on CW averaged 834K

— Sports TV Ratings (@SportsTVRatings) October 15, 2024

Wolfer79 said:

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The eight drivers who will continue to battle for the 2024 NASCAR Cup Series championship are Kyle Larson, William Byron, Bell, Ryan Blaney, Chase Elliott, Denny Hamlin, Tyler Reddick and Joey Logano

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Glasswolf said:

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Wolfer79 said:

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The eight drivers who will continue to battle for the 2024 NASCAR Cup Series championship are Kyle Larson, William Byron, Bell, Ryan Blaney, Chase Elliott, Denny Hamlin, Tyler Reddick and Joey Logano

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I'll go ahead and say my final 4 are Larson, Bell, Blaney and Byron. But I'm on the fence about Reddick.

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"NASCAR is said to be intrigued by a street course that would have San Diego Bay as a backdrop." - @SDUT https://t.co/m9Dylqf3TC

— Adam Stern (@A_S12) October 16, 2024

Wolfer79 said:

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"NASCAR is said to be intrigued by a street course that would have San Diego Bay as a backdrop." - @SDUT https://t.co/m9Dylqf3TC

— Adam Stern (@A_S12) October 16, 2024

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Wolfer79 said:

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"NASCAR is said to be intrigued by a street course that would have San Diego Bay as a backdrop." - @SDUT https://t.co/m9Dylqf3TC

— Adam Stern (@A_S12) October 16, 2024

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erniencsu02 said:

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Wolfer79 said:

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"NASCAR is said to be intrigued by a street course that would have San Diego Bay as a backdrop." - @SDUT https://t.co/m9Dylqf3TC

— Adam Stern (@A_S12) October 16, 2024

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I HATE HATE HATE NASCAR's leadership. Definitely going to limit my TV viewing to the more traditional races/tracks going forward. Started this past weekend with not watching the roval. I didnt miss a thing.

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Anti-trust lawyer: "What I found most interesting about the complaint is that the way NASCAR has operated is to squeeze the teams and make it harder to be financially successful ... and that just seems counter-intuitive to how a league should be operated." https://t.co/0O0s5TkHVG

— Adam Stern (@A_S12) October 16, 2024

Wolfer79 said:

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Anti-trust lawyer: "What I found most interesting about the complaint is that the way NASCAR has operated is to squeeze the teams and make it harder to be financially successful ... and that just seems counter-intuitive to how a league should be operated." https://t.co/0O0s5TkHVG

— Adam Stern (@A_S12) October 16, 2024

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Wolfer79 said:

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erniencsu02 said:

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Wolfer79 said:

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"NASCAR is said to be intrigued by a street course that would have San Diego Bay as a backdrop." - @SDUT https://t.co/m9Dylqf3TC

— Adam Stern (@A_S12) October 16, 2024

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I HATE HATE HATE NASCAR's leadership. Definitely going to limit my TV viewing to the more traditional races/tracks going forward. Started this past weekend with not watching the roval. I didnt miss a thing.

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I heard it put a way i understood this past weekend.


It is ok to spread out your branches, just remember your roots.

NASCAR forgot it's roots.

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"Bullying is bullying, and we don't like bullies. But the antitrust laws actually don't protect companies necessarily from bullying. What they want is competition in the market that helps consumers. So whether NASCAR really has a monopoly is not so clear." https://t.co/SUGnOYUNNW

— Adam Stern (@A_S12) October 16, 2024

#NASCAR News: @JoeGibbsRacing has confirmed to @RacingAmerica on SI that Ty Gibbs will be the officially listed team owner of the team's No. 54 NASCAR Xfinity Series entry in 2025. Gibbs hinted at this in an Instagram Stories post today. https://t.co/at5GQDEwyT

— Toby Christie (@Toby_Christie) October 16, 2024

ncsupack1 said:

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Glasswolf said:

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Wolfer79 said:

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The eight drivers who will continue to battle for the 2024 NASCAR Cup Series championship are Kyle Larson, William Byron, Bell, Ryan Blaney, Chase Elliott, Denny Hamlin, Tyler Reddick and Joey Logano

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I'll go ahead and say my final 4 are Larson, Bell, Blaney and Byron. But I'm on the fence about Reddick.

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Pretty good guess. I'll add , that I will have an eye on the 22.

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Glasswolf said:

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Wolfer79 said:

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The eight drivers who will continue to battle for the 2024 NASCAR Cup Series championship are Kyle Larson, William Byron, Bell, Ryan Blaney, Chase Elliott, Denny Hamlin, Tyler Reddick and Joey Logano

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I'll go ahead and say my final 4 are Larson, Bell, Blaney and Byron. But I'm on the fence about Reddick.

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Pretty good guess. I'll add , that I will have an eye on the 22.

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Yep, don't count out Joey

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ncsupack1 said:

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Joke of a law suit. This thing gets settled sooner rather than later.

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Joke of a law suit. This thing gets settled sooner rather than later.

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Perhaps…. That said, nascar is no different than the FIA in F1 racing. I respect their place; however, like most large businesses, they go astray the bigger they get.

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Joke of a law suit. This thing gets settled sooner rather than later.

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Perhaps…. That said, nascar is no different than the FIA in F1 racing. I respect their place; however, like most large businesses, they go astray the bigger they get.

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True, but NASCAR isn't a league that the teams are owners in, ie, NFL, NBA, NHL. NASCAR today, is what it pretty much has been since day one, heck even Hamlin and Jordan's lawyer admitted that they can race as a open team, without the " restrictions " as the charter teams. One could argue that NASCAR had more control years ago. Shoot, at least now they talk to the teams before rule changes.

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Joke of a law suit. This thing gets settled sooner rather than later.

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Perhaps…. That said, nascar is no different than the FIA in F1 racing. I respect their place; however, like most large businesses, they go astray the bigger they get.

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True, but NASCAR isn't a league that the teams are owners in, ie, NFL, NBA, NHL. NASCAR today, is what it pretty much has been since day one, heck even Hamlin and Jordan's lawyer admitted that they can race as a open team, without the " restrictions " as the charter teams. One could argue that NASCAR had more control years ago. Shoot, at least now they talk to the teams before rule changes.

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I really don't follow it that closely…. So, NASCAR, NBA, etc… are non-profits, right? What is NASCAR?

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Joke of a law suit. This thing gets settled sooner rather than later.

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Perhaps…. That said, nascar is no different than the FIA in F1 racing. I respect their place; however, like most large businesses, they go astray the bigger they get.

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True, but NASCAR isn't a league that the teams are owners in, ie, NFL, NBA, NHL. NASCAR today, is what it pretty much has been since day one, heck even Hamlin and Jordan's lawyer admitted that they can race as a open team, without the " restrictions " as the charter teams. One could argue that NASCAR had more control years ago. Shoot, at least now they talk to the teams before rule changes.

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I really don't follow it that closely…. So, NASCAR, NBA, etc… are non-profits, right? What is NASCAR?

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Not really sure, I do know that it is a privately company. All NASCAR is, is a sanctioning body of a race.

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Joke of a law suit. This thing gets settled sooner rather than later.

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Perhaps…. That said, nascar is no different than the FIA in F1 racing. I respect their place; however, like most large businesses, they go astray the bigger they get.

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True, but NASCAR isn't a league that the teams are owners in, ie, NFL, NBA, NHL. NASCAR today, is what it pretty much has been since day one, heck even Hamlin and Jordan's lawyer admitted that they can race as a open team, without the " restrictions " as the charter teams. One could argue that NASCAR had more control years ago. Shoot, at least now they talk to the teams before rule changes.

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I really don't follow it that closely…. So, NASCAR, NBA, etc… are non-profits, right? What is NASCAR?

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Not really sure, I do know that it is a privately company. All NASCAR is, is a sanctioning body of a race.

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I think that's the same as the FIA.

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Joke of a law suit. This thing gets settled sooner rather than later.

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Perhaps…. That said, nascar is no different than the FIA in F1 racing. I respect their place; however, like most large businesses, they go astray the bigger they get.

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True, but NASCAR isn't a league that the teams are owners in, ie, NFL, NBA, NHL. NASCAR today, is what it pretty much has been since day one, heck even Hamlin and Jordan's lawyer admitted that they can race as a open team, without the " restrictions " as the charter teams. One could argue that NASCAR had more control years ago. Shoot, at least now they talk to the teams before rule changes.

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I really don't follow it that closely…. So, NASCAR, NBA, etc… are non-profits, right? What is NASCAR?

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Not really sure, I do know that it is a privately company. All NASCAR is, is a sanctioning body of a race.

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I think that's the same as the FIA.

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I got ya.

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Joke of a law suit. This thing gets settled sooner rather than later.

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Perhaps…. That said, nascar is no different than the FIA in F1 racing. I respect their place; however, like most large businesses, they go astray the bigger they get.

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True, but NASCAR isn't a league that the teams are owners in, ie, NFL, NBA, NHL. NASCAR today, is what it pretty much has been since day one, heck even Hamlin and Jordan's lawyer admitted that they can race as a open team, without the " restrictions " as the charter teams. One could argue that NASCAR had more control years ago. Shoot, at least now they talk to the teams before rule changes.

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I really don't follow it that closely…. So, NASCAR, NBA, etc… are non-profits, right? What is NASCAR?

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Not really sure, I do know that it is a privately company. All NASCAR is, is a sanctioning body of a race.

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I think that's the same as the FIA.

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I got ya.

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Actually, NASCAR owns a boat load of the tracks, so, I'm not sure how that works with all this. Also, why does a team have to buy a charter, if they are just a sanctioning body. I'm not sure what I'm missing…

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Joke of a law suit. This thing gets settled sooner rather than later.

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Perhaps…. That said, nascar is no different than the FIA in F1 racing. I respect their place; however, like most large businesses, they go astray the bigger they get.

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True, but NASCAR isn't a league that the teams are owners in, ie, NFL, NBA, NHL. NASCAR today, is what it pretty much has been since day one, heck even Hamlin and Jordan's lawyer admitted that they can race as a open team, without the " restrictions " as the charter teams. One could argue that NASCAR had more control years ago. Shoot, at least now they talk to the teams before rule changes.

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I really don't follow it that closely…. So, NASCAR, NBA, etc… are non-profits, right? What is NASCAR?

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Not really sure, I do know that it is a privately company. All NASCAR is, is a sanctioning body of a race.

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I think that's the same as the FIA.

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I got ya.

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Actually, NASCAR owns a boat load of the tracks, so, I'm not sure how that works with all this. Also, why does a team have to buy a charter, if they are just a sanctioning body. I'm not sure what I'm missing…

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They don't have to buy one, many small teams don't own them. All a charter does, is guarantee a starting spot, owning a charter does payout more. As for the tracks, yes NASCAR owns a lot, so does SMI, and Pocono is private owned.

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Joke of a law suit. This thing gets settled sooner rather than later.

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Perhaps…. That said, nascar is no different than the FIA in F1 racing. I respect their place; however, like most large businesses, they go astray the bigger they get.

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True, but NASCAR isn't a league that the teams are owners in, ie, NFL, NBA, NHL. NASCAR today, is what it pretty much has been since day one, heck even Hamlin and Jordan's lawyer admitted that they can race as a open team, without the " restrictions " as the charter teams. One could argue that NASCAR had more control years ago. Shoot, at least now they talk to the teams before rule changes.

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I really don't follow it that closely…. So, NASCAR, NBA, etc… are non-profits, right? What is NASCAR?

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Not really sure, I do know that it is a privately company. All NASCAR is, is a sanctioning body of a race.

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I think that's the same as the FIA.

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I got ya.

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Actually, NASCAR owns a boat load of the tracks, so, I'm not sure how that works with all this. Also, why does a team have to buy a charter, if they are just a sanctioning body. I'm not sure what I'm missing…

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They don't have to buy one, many small teams don't own them. All a charter does, is guarantee a starting spot, owning a charter does payout more. As for the tracks, yes NASCAR owns a lot, so does SMI, and Pocono is private owned.

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I guess I would do an exercise on whether the charter would be worth it. Also, that guaranteeing a starting spot and more payout sure sounds like they may have you by the balls…

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Joke of a law suit. This thing gets settled sooner rather than later.

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Perhaps…. That said, nascar is no different than the FIA in F1 racing. I respect their place; however, like most large businesses, they go astray the bigger they get.

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True, but NASCAR isn't a league that the teams are owners in, ie, NFL, NBA, NHL. NASCAR today, is what it pretty much has been since day one, heck even Hamlin and Jordan's lawyer admitted that they can race as a open team, without the " restrictions " as the charter teams. One could argue that NASCAR had more control years ago. Shoot, at least now they talk to the teams before rule changes.

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I really don't follow it that closely…. So, NASCAR, NBA, etc… are non-profits, right? What is NASCAR?

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Not really sure, I do know that it is a privately company. All NASCAR is, is a sanctioning body of a race.

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I think that's the same as the FIA.

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I got ya.

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Actually, NASCAR owns a boat load of the tracks, so, I'm not sure how that works with all this. Also, why does a team have to buy a charter, if they are just a sanctioning body. I'm not sure what I'm missing…

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They don't have to buy one, many small teams don't own them. All a charter does, is guarantee a starting spot, owning a charter does payout more. As for the tracks, yes NASCAR owns a lot, so does SMI, and Pocono is private owned.

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I guess I would do an exercise on whether the charter would be worth it. Also, that guaranteeing a starting spot and more payout sure sounds like they may have you by the balls…

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To a point, but now the value of a charter is estimated to be 20-40 million. That's a pretty good retirement for someone looking to get out, Tony Stewart comes to mind. My problem is that Hamlin became a rich man from this sport, bought a team and now three charters, now wants to change the game. Sorry, but I hope he loses the law suit.

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Joke of a law suit. This thing gets settled sooner rather than later.

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Perhaps…. That said, nascar is no different than the FIA in F1 racing. I respect their place; however, like most large businesses, they go astray the bigger they get.

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True, but NASCAR isn't a league that the teams are owners in, ie, NFL, NBA, NHL. NASCAR today, is what it pretty much has been since day one, heck even Hamlin and Jordan's lawyer admitted that they can race as a open team, without the " restrictions " as the charter teams. One could argue that NASCAR had more control years ago. Shoot, at least now they talk to the teams before rule changes.

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I really don't follow it that closely…. So, NASCAR, NBA, etc… are non-profits, right? What is NASCAR?

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Not really sure, I do know that it is a privately company. All NASCAR is, is a sanctioning body of a race.

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I think that's the same as the FIA.

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I got ya.

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Actually, NASCAR owns a boat load of the tracks, so, I'm not sure how that works with all this. Also, why does a team have to buy a charter, if they are just a sanctioning body. I'm not sure what I'm missing…

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They don't have to buy one, many small teams don't own them. All a charter does, is guarantee a starting spot, owning a charter does payout more. As for the tracks, yes NASCAR owns a lot, so does SMI, and Pocono is private owned.

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I guess I would do an exercise on whether the charter would be worth it. Also, that guaranteeing a starting spot and more payout sure sounds like they may have you by the balls…

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To a point, but now the value of a charter is estimated to be 20-40 million. That's a pretty good retirement for someone looking to get out, Tony Stewart comes to mind. My problem is that Hamlin became a rich man from this sport, bought a team and now three charters, now wants to change the game. Sorry, but I hope he loses the law suit.

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Isn't his charters coming up for renewal?

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Joke of a law suit. This thing gets settled sooner rather than later.

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Perhaps…. That said, nascar is no different than the FIA in F1 racing. I respect their place; however, like most large businesses, they go astray the bigger they get.

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True, but NASCAR isn't a league that the teams are owners in, ie, NFL, NBA, NHL. NASCAR today, is what it pretty much has been since day one, heck even Hamlin and Jordan's lawyer admitted that they can race as a open team, without the " restrictions " as the charter teams. One could argue that NASCAR had more control years ago. Shoot, at least now they talk to the teams before rule changes.

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I really don't follow it that closely…. So, NASCAR, NBA, etc… are non-profits, right? What is NASCAR?

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Not really sure, I do know that it is a privately company. All NASCAR is, is a sanctioning body of a race.

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I think that's the same as the FIA.

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I got ya.

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Actually, NASCAR owns a boat load of the tracks, so, I'm not sure how that works with all this. Also, why does a team have to buy a charter, if they are just a sanctioning body. I'm not sure what I'm missing…

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They don't have to buy one, many small teams don't own them. All a charter does, is guarantee a starting spot, owning a charter does payout more. As for the tracks, yes NASCAR owns a lot, so does SMI, and Pocono is private owned.

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I guess I would do an exercise on whether the charter would be worth it. Also, that guaranteeing a starting spot and more payout sure sounds like they may have you by the balls…

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To a point, but now the value of a charter is estimated to be 20-40 million. That's a pretty good retirement for someone looking to get out, Tony Stewart comes to mind. My problem is that Hamlin became a rich man from this sport, bought a team and now three charters, now wants to change the game. Sorry, but I hope he loses the law suit.

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Isn't his charters coming up for renewal?

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Yes, Hamlin didn't sign by the due date. And according to someone I know, bought another one back in May or August of this year.

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Joke of a law suit. This thing gets settled sooner rather than later.

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Perhaps…. That said, nascar is no different than the FIA in F1 racing. I respect their place; however, like most large businesses, they go astray the bigger they get.

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True, but NASCAR isn't a league that the teams are owners in, ie, NFL, NBA, NHL. NASCAR today, is what it pretty much has been since day one, heck even Hamlin and Jordan's lawyer admitted that they can race as a open team, without the " restrictions " as the charter teams. One could argue that NASCAR had more control years ago. Shoot, at least now they talk to the teams before rule changes.

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I really don't follow it that closely…. So, NASCAR, NBA, etc… are non-profits, right? What is NASCAR?

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Not really sure, I do know that it is a privately company. All NASCAR is, is a sanctioning body of a race.

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I think that's the same as the FIA.

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I got ya.

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Actually, NASCAR owns a boat load of the tracks, so, I'm not sure how that works with all this. Also, why does a team have to buy a charter, if they are just a sanctioning body. I'm not sure what I'm missing…

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They don't have to buy one, many small teams don't own them. All a charter does, is guarantee a starting spot, owning a charter does payout more. As for the tracks, yes NASCAR owns a lot, so does SMI, and Pocono is private owned.

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I guess I would do an exercise on whether the charter would be worth it. Also, that guaranteeing a starting spot and more payout sure sounds like they may have you by the balls…

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To a point, but now the value of a charter is estimated to be 20-40 million. That's a pretty good retirement for someone looking to get out, Tony Stewart comes to mind. My problem is that Hamlin became a rich man from this sport, bought a team and now three charters, now wants to change the game. Sorry, but I hope he loses the law suit.

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Isn't his charters coming up for renewal?

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Yes, Hamlin didn't sign by the due date. And according to someone I know, bought another one back in May or August of this year.

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And that's ok that he bought another…. I guess I still don't understand this whole situation. I have no issue with people wanting to clear the playing field. But, what is the reason for renewing the charters? What is the reason for the lawsuit?

Like I said, I still don't get this whole situation…

Also, do these Charters really have buyers at 20-40 million?

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caryking said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Joke of a law suit. This thing gets settled sooner rather than later.

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Perhaps…. That said, nascar is no different than the FIA in F1 racing. I respect their place; however, like most large businesses, they go astray the bigger they get.

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True, but NASCAR isn't a league that the teams are owners in, ie, NFL, NBA, NHL. NASCAR today, is what it pretty much has been since day one, heck even Hamlin and Jordan's lawyer admitted that they can race as a open team, without the " restrictions " as the charter teams. One could argue that NASCAR had more control years ago. Shoot, at least now they talk to the teams before rule changes.

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I really don't follow it that closely…. So, NASCAR, NBA, etc… are non-profits, right? What is NASCAR?

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Not really sure, I do know that it is a privately company. All NASCAR is, is a sanctioning body of a race.

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I think that's the same as the FIA.

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I got ya.

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Actually, NASCAR owns a boat load of the tracks, so, I'm not sure how that works with all this. Also, why does a team have to buy a charter, if they are just a sanctioning body. I'm not sure what I'm missing…

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They don't have to buy one, many small teams don't own them. All a charter does, is guarantee a starting spot, owning a charter does payout more. As for the tracks, yes NASCAR owns a lot, so does SMI, and Pocono is private owned.

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I guess I would do an exercise on whether the charter would be worth it. Also, that guaranteeing a starting spot and more payout sure sounds like they may have you by the balls…

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To a point, but now the value of a charter is estimated to be 20-40 million. That's a pretty good retirement for someone looking to get out, Tony Stewart comes to mind. My problem is that Hamlin became a rich man from this sport, bought a team and now three charters, now wants to change the game. Sorry, but I hope he loses the law suit.

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Isn't his charters coming up for renewal?

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Yes, Hamlin didn't sign by the due date. And according to someone I know, bought another one back in May or August of this year.

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And that's ok that he bought another…. I guess I still don't understand this whole situation. I have no issue with people wanting to clear the playing field. But, what is the reason for renewing the charters? What is the reason for the lawsuit?

Like I said, I still don't get this whole situation…

Also, do these Charters really have buyers at 20-40 million?

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Yes, there are buyers for those charters. The whole point of the charter, was to give an out going team owner something to sell for what they put into the sport. Years, before charters, auction companies would sell everything for pennies on the dollar. The charter also, allows teams to go after sponsors, so that there is a guarantee starting spot.

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Joke of a law suit. This thing gets settled sooner rather than later.

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Perhaps…. That said, nascar is no different than the FIA in F1 racing. I respect their place; however, like most large businesses, they go astray the bigger they get.

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True, but NASCAR isn't a league that the teams are owners in, ie, NFL, NBA, NHL. NASCAR today, is what it pretty much has been since day one, heck even Hamlin and Jordan's lawyer admitted that they can race as a open team, without the " restrictions " as the charter teams. One could argue that NASCAR had more control years ago. Shoot, at least now they talk to the teams before rule changes.

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I really don't follow it that closely…. So, NASCAR, NBA, etc… are non-profits, right? What is NASCAR?

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Not really sure, I do know that it is a privately company. All NASCAR is, is a sanctioning body of a race.

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I think that's the same as the FIA.

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I got ya.

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Actually, NASCAR owns a boat load of the tracks, so, I'm not sure how that works with all this. Also, why does a team have to buy a charter, if they are just a sanctioning body. I'm not sure what I'm missing…

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They don't have to buy one, many small teams don't own them. All a charter does, is guarantee a starting spot, owning a charter does payout more. As for the tracks, yes NASCAR owns a lot, so does SMI, and Pocono is private owned.

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I guess I would do an exercise on whether the charter would be worth it. Also, that guaranteeing a starting spot and more payout sure sounds like they may have you by the balls…

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To a point, but now the value of a charter is estimated to be 20-40 million. That's a pretty good retirement for someone looking to get out, Tony Stewart comes to mind. My problem is that Hamlin became a rich man from this sport, bought a team and now three charters, now wants to change the game. Sorry, but I hope he loses the law suit.

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Isn't his charters coming up for renewal?

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Yes, Hamlin didn't sign by the due date. And according to someone I know, bought another one back in May or August of this year.

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And that's ok that he bought another…. I guess I still don't understand this whole situation. I have no issue with people wanting to clear the playing field. But, what is the reason for renewing the charters? What is the reason for the lawsuit?

Like I said, I still don't get this whole situation…

Also, do these Charters really have buyers at 20-40 million?

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Yes, there are buyers for those charters. The whole point of the charter, was to give an out going team owner something to sell for what they put into the sport. Years, before charters, auction companies would sell everything for pennies on the dollar. The charter also, allows teams to go after sponsors, so that there is a guarantee starting spot.

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Have their been a sell for more than the purchase?

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Joke of a law suit. This thing gets settled sooner rather than later.

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Perhaps…. That said, nascar is no different than the FIA in F1 racing. I respect their place; however, like most large businesses, they go astray the bigger they get.

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True, but NASCAR isn't a league that the teams are owners in, ie, NFL, NBA, NHL. NASCAR today, is what it pretty much has been since day one, heck even Hamlin and Jordan's lawyer admitted that they can race as a open team, without the " restrictions " as the charter teams. One could argue that NASCAR had more control years ago. Shoot, at least now they talk to the teams before rule changes.

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I really don't follow it that closely…. So, NASCAR, NBA, etc… are non-profits, right? What is NASCAR?

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Not really sure, I do know that it is a privately company. All NASCAR is, is a sanctioning body of a race.

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I think that's the same as the FIA.

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I got ya.

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Actually, NASCAR owns a boat load of the tracks, so, I'm not sure how that works with all this. Also, why does a team have to buy a charter, if they are just a sanctioning body. I'm not sure what I'm missing…

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GetOffMyLawnPack said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Joke of a law suit. This thing gets settled sooner rather than later.

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Perhaps…. That said, nascar is no different than the FIA in F1 racing. I respect their place; however, like most large businesses, they go astray the bigger they get.

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True, but NASCAR isn't a league that the teams are owners in, ie, NFL, NBA, NHL. NASCAR today, is what it pretty much has been since day one, heck even Hamlin and Jordan's lawyer admitted that they can race as a open team, without the " restrictions " as the charter teams. One could argue that NASCAR had more control years ago. Shoot, at least now they talk to the teams before rule changes.

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I really don't follow it that closely…. So, NASCAR, NBA, etc… are non-profits, right? What is NASCAR?

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Not really sure, I do know that it is a privately company. All NASCAR is, is a sanctioning body of a race.

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I think that's the same as the FIA.

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I got ya.

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Actually, NASCAR owns a boat load of the tracks, so, I'm not sure how that works with all this. Also, why does a team have to buy a charter, if they are just a sanctioning body. I'm not sure what I'm missing…

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I think at least one reason is that sponsors who are paying Texa$ have a reasonable assurance that the car they are sponsoring is going to be on the racetrack showing their advertising every weekend. Guaranteed starting slot is part of the charter.

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