Stirewalt is a Hack!

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I suggest you read this book: Broken News: Why the Media Rage Machine Divides America and How to Fight Back by Chris Stirewalt. It will help answer your question.

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hokie, thanks for the book recommendation.

Since I haven't read this book, are you saying media messaging does not influence voters?

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it's a great book to understand how media bias came about and what we as consumers can do to combat it.

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Great! So, what is your answer to my question?

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I think the influence of media has some impact, the bigger impacts are quality of candidates you are running as well as your efforts to get the vote out. Outside of Florida, I don't know of any other organized efforts in other states to identify voters and get them to the polls.

To me, the latter two have a much greater impact than media bias.

Looks like Washoe County's live stream, which has been showing 4 angles of the ballot counting rooms, did go dark last night at 11:24p and stayed dark until just before 8a this morning.

We've reached out to Washoe County to ask what happened. https://t.co/MsWJi7lKzE pic.twitter.com/i9fdMAnTyZ

— Ben Margiott (@BenMargiott) November 10, 2022

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I suggest you read this book: Broken News: Why the Media Rage Machine Divides America and How to Fight Back by Chris Stirewalt. It will help answer your question.

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hokie, thanks for the book recommendation.

Since I haven't read this book, are you saying media messaging does not influence voters?

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it's a great book to understand how media bias came about and what we as consumers can do to combat it.

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Great! So, what is your answer to my question?

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I think the influence of media has some impact, the bigger impacts are quality of candidates you are running as well as your efforts to get the vote out. Outside of Florida, I don't know of any other organized efforts in other states to identify voters and get them to the polls.

To me, the latter two have a much greater impact than media bias.

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hokie, the fact that you make the statement in bold indicates just how effective media bias is in establishing opinions.

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considering I haven't watched mainstream media in years I'm not sure if that's something that is being discussed.

Our elections are a joke. Establishment candidates hold serve usually regardless of what they do in office. In person voting - Same Day - is our best hope

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Just because he tells you the truth, and not what you want to hear does not make him a hack. And the book is really good. I enjoyed it.

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Hokie, just because you liked his book doesn't make him a hack!

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I suggest you read this book: Broken News: Why the Media Rage Machine Divides America and How to Fight Back by Chris Stirewalt. It will help answer your question.

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hokie, thanks for the book recommendation.

Since I haven't read this book, are you saying media messaging does not influence voters?

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it's a great book to understand how media bias came about and what we as consumers can do to combat it.

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Great! So, what is your answer to my question?

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I think the influence of media has some impact, the bigger impacts are quality of candidates you are running as well as your efforts to get the vote out. Outside of Florida, I don't know of any other organized efforts in other states to identify voters and get them to the polls.

To me, the latter two have a much greater impact than media bias.

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hokie, the fact that you make the statement in bold indicates just how effective media bias is in establishing opinions.

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considering I haven't watched mainstream media in years I'm not sure if that's something that is being discussed.

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But yet you can recite almost verbatim their talking points and often do repeatedly......once again, your tendencies for playing loose with the truth come back to bite you.

Compulsive one could even say.....

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PackFansXL said:

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I suggest you read this book: Broken News: Why the Media Rage Machine Divides America and How to Fight Back by Chris Stirewalt. It will help answer your question.

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hokie, thanks for the book recommendation.

Since I haven't read this book, are you saying media messaging does not influence voters?

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it's a great book to understand how media bias came about and what we as consumers can do to combat it.

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Great! So, what is your answer to my question?

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I think the influence of media has some impact, the bigger impacts are quality of candidates you are running as well as your efforts to get the vote out. Outside of Florida, I don't know of any other organized efforts in other states to identify voters and get them to the polls.

To me, the latter two have a much greater impact than media bias.

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hokie, the fact that you make the statement in bold indicates just how effective media bias is in establishing opinions.

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considering I haven't watched mainstream media in years I'm not sure if that's something that is being discussed.

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I am curious why you believe Florida was so much more organized and pushed so effectively to get voters and identified and to the polls if you have been avoiding media for the past few weeks. Do you currently reside in Florida? How could you form an opinion on efforts in other states to make a relative comparison?

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I suggest you read this book: Broken News: Why the Media Rage Machine Divides America and How to Fight Back by Chris Stirewalt. It will help answer your question.

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hokie, thanks for the book recommendation.

Since I haven't read this book, are you saying media messaging does not influence voters?

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it's a great book to understand how media bias came about and what we as consumers can do to combat it.

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Great! So, what is your answer to my question?

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I think the influence of media has some impact, the bigger impacts are quality of candidates you are running as well as your efforts to get the vote out. Outside of Florida, I don't know of any other organized efforts in other states to identify voters and get them to the polls.

To me, the latter two have a much greater impact than media bias.

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hokie, the fact that you make the statement in bold indicates just how effective media bias is in establishing opinions.

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considering I haven't watched mainstream media in years I'm not sure if that's something that is being discussed.

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I am curious why you believe Florida was so much more organized and pushed so effectively to get voters and identified and to the polls if you have been avoiding media for the past few weeks. Do you currently reside in Florida? How could you form an opinion on efforts in other states to make a relative comparison?

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Because they've been doing it since Jeb was Governor and Republicans outperformed in Florida. Ever since 2000, Florida has done a good job of organizing and getting folks out to vote, and then creating trust in the process by getting things counted quickly and accurately.

Combine that with the fact that there were good candidates in Florida who didn't do stupid stuff like "say there were some good things in the Unibombers manifesto".

Where I get my news:

- Wall Street Journal
- National Review
- The Dispatch
- I watch Brett Baer when I can
- podcasts
- Fox Business when I'm in the car

Holy Sh-t!! 👀 pic.twitter.com/VqglagtRbm

— Chuck Callesto (@ChuckCallesto) November 11, 2022

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I suggest you read this book: Broken News: Why the Media Rage Machine Divides America and How to Fight Back by Chris Stirewalt. It will help answer your question.

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hokie, thanks for the book recommendation.

Since I haven't read this book, are you saying media messaging does not influence voters?

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it's a great book to understand how media bias came about and what we as consumers can do to combat it.

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Great! So, what is your answer to my question?

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I think the influence of media has some impact, the bigger impacts are quality of candidates you are running as well as your efforts to get the vote out. Outside of Florida, I don't know of any other organized efforts in other states to identify voters and get them to the polls.

To me, the latter two have a much greater impact than media bias.

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hokie, the fact that you make the statement in bold indicates just how effective media bias is in establishing opinions.

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considering I haven't watched mainstream media in years I'm not sure if that's something that is being discussed.

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I am curious why you believe Florida was so much more organized and pushed so effectively to get voters and identified and to the polls if you have been avoiding media for the past few weeks. Do you currently reside in Florida? How could you form an opinion on efforts in other states to make a relative comparison?

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Because they've been doing it since Jeb was Governor and Republicans outperformed in Florida. Ever since 2000, Florida has done a good job of organizing and getting folks out to vote, and then creating trust in the process by getting things counted quickly and accurately.

Combine that with the fact that there were good candidates in Florida who didn't do stupid stuff like "say there were some good things in the Unibombers manifesto".

Where I get my news:

- Wall Street Journal
- National Review
- The Dispatch
- I watch Brett Baer when I can
- podcasts
- Fox Business when I'm in the car

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hokie,

Thanks for the clear answer. I apologize if I came off too argumentative. I am frustrated that so many people in America can't seem to figure out why we are declining as a nation and continue to vote for lies. Sure, we had some poor candidate choices on the Republican ballot, largely due to Trump's influence. However, it's not like the Democrats didn't put forth a bunch of horrible candidates as well. Compare the candidates for governor of Oregon and New York. Those should have been landslide victories for the Republicans all things being equal. Democrats just seem to be rewarded with victory despite their incompetence and dishonesty. For some reason, party over country has become a thing and we are paying for it as a nation. Bill Clinton was the last Democrat who set aside his party's preferences for sound economic policy and governed after the midterms with an emphasis on country over party. IMHO, this emphasis on, and preference for the Democrat Party over the USA, bias is driven by dishonest and highly partisan media outlets.

Sometime during the pandemic, I joined National Review as a subscriber and began reading about all the crazy decisions coming from the Biden administration. Until I joined and started reading these articles about what school boards were doing against the wishes of parents, what the Biden administration was forcing on all branches of government, what Biden was doing to the economy, our energy independence, our border, our allies, and our schools; I simply had no idea how bad things were. One of the techniques NR writers use is commenting on and rebutting the garbage coming from the NYT, Washington Post, The Atlantic, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, etc. To see these liberal outlets providing cover on a daily basis for this abysmal administration was infuriating.

It is my opinion that most people are far less informed than you or me. They sit down to watch their evening news and occasionally watch the least offensive national news channel. They may or may not discuss politics occasionally with co-workers who likewise follow a similar poorly informed process. They tend to get a groupthink opinion formed based on mainstream media outlets and nobody is allowed to challenge the majority opinion lest they risk cancellation. These far less informed folks are the majority of voters and since most outlets are very liberal and highly partisan, we have an unfortunate tendency to vote for Democrats. If we are not extremely careful, we are going to vote ourselves into socialism or even worse, communism, and then choice will be long gone.

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I'm not arguing to change any rules. You've never heard me once advocate for elimination of the electoral college or a rethinking of the Virginia Compromise.

What would be awesome would be for many Republicans to stop being such whiners about the system being rigged.

There are real, quantifiable structural advantages for Republicans in the system.

Instead, some sizable proportion of the Republican electorate wants to obsess over fake election fraud and media bias when celebrity hangers-on candidates like Mehmet Oz don't get elected.

Republicans have plenty of advantages in the system. Focus on candidate quality instead of somehow blaming the media or Democrats when weak-sauce Pub candidates don't win their elections.

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Since you don't want to change the electoral college, what supposed structural advantages do Republicans have? I have never heard of any such advantage.

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I'm not arguing to change any rules. You've never heard me once advocate for elimination of the electoral college or a rethinking of the Virginia Compromise.

What would be awesome would be for many Republicans to stop being such whiners about the system being rigged.

There are real, quantifiable structural advantages for Republicans in the system.

Instead, some sizable proportion of the Republican electorate wants to obsess over fake election fraud and media bias when celebrity hangers-on candidates like Mehmet Oz don't get elected.

Republicans have plenty of advantages in the system. Focus on candidate quality instead of somehow blaming the media or Democrats when weak-sauce Pub candidates don't win their elections.

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Since you don't want to change the electoral college, what supposed structural advantages do Republicans have? I have never heard of any such advantage.

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structurally, capitalism is better than socialism.

Wow. In Arizona they discovered that some Republican ballots that were supposed to be counted after the tabulators failed ended up mixed in with ballots that were already counted instead.@KariLake put it best "Our elections are a circus being run by a bunch of clowns" pic.twitter.com/c8ZrbB1UFO

— Robby Starbuck (@robbystarbuck) November 12, 2022

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Wow. In Arizona they discovered that some Republican ballots that were supposed to be counted after the tabulators failed ended up mixed in with ballots that were already counted instead.@KariLake put it best "Our elections are a circus being run by a bunch of clowns" pic.twitter.com/c8ZrbB1UFO

— Robby Starbuck (@robbystarbuck) November 12, 2022

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That has to mean a recount doesn't it? There is no way of determining which are already counted and which are not? Time to submit a lawsuit.

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Wow. In Arizona they discovered that some Republican ballots that were supposed to be counted after the tabulators failed ended up mixed in with ballots that were already counted instead.@KariLake put it best "Our elections are a circus being run by a bunch of clowns" pic.twitter.com/c8ZrbB1UFO

— Robby Starbuck (@robbystarbuck) November 12, 2022

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That has to mean a recount doesn't it? There is no way of determining which are already counted and which are not? Time to submit a lawsuit.

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Elections are a joke....... and probably have been for maybe 20 or 30 years.

I would like to see a hand recount in all 50 states. Looks like there's fraud or incompetence across the board benefiting both D and R establishment candidates. Now that might get real interesting.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/11/maricopa-county-election-judge-threatened-threatened-supervisors-speaking-tabulation-errors-ballots-counted-based-check-ins-not-scanning-reading-tabulator/

Maricopa County Election Judge Threatened Is Threatened by Supervisors After Speaking Out About Tabulation Errors - Ballots Counted Is Based on Check-Ins NOT Scanning and Reading Through Tabulator
A Maricopa County Election judge spoke out about what she witnessed at the polls on Tuesday with tabulators not working

............could this be a storm brewing?

PROJECTED: Republican Joe Lombardo is projected to win the Nevada governor’s race. pic.twitter.com/pnTV6xenO4

— Nevada Independent (@TheNVIndy) November 12, 2022

Clark County, NV RINO wins. Imagine that

I think this may be the Sheriff on TV after the Las Vegas mass shooting.

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It's not a supposed electoral college bias, it's very real, albeit an advantage that ebbs and flows over time.

There are actually two notable current advantages for Republicans, in the Electoral College and in the Senate.

Re: the small-state advantage, larger, more populous states have the same number of senators as the more numerous, less populous states throughout the center of the country.

In rough numbers the 21 least populous states contain roughly the same number of people as the state of California. The 39 million people in those 21 states, most of which are Republican-leaning, have 42 votes in the Senate while the same number of people in California have just two. This allows for red states to exert control over Senate legislation in a manner disproportionate to their resident's proportion of the overall population.

Likewise, the electoral college enables anti-majority outcomes. It's how the winner of the popular vote lost the election in 2000 and in 2016. This is primarily due to key battleground states being more Republican-leaning than the country as a whole. There are various ways to quantify the advantage, but most of these metrics strongly agree that the 2016 and 2020 elections favored Republicans by a magnitude not seen since the 1940s.

While the small state Senate advantage has long favored Republicans, the electoral college advantage has vacillated back and forth between Dems and Pubs over the last century.

Importantly, even though both of these biases presently favor Republicans, I'm not for changing either. Part of what makes our democracy uniquely successful is its ability to adequately represent the political minority and avoid tyranny of the majority.

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Civ, man…. You lost me up to the last sentence. The Constitutional structure was so well conceived, it will make your mind blow up. Thomas Paynes Common Sense is a healthy read for anybody wanting to understand how this government should work.

Saw a tweet that said 52% of Fetterman's votes were mail in ballots. Anybody that doesn't see the problem there is just ignorant. Maybe it isn't true….

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Saw a tweet that said 52% of Fetterman's votes were mail in ballots. Anybody that doesn't see the problem there is just ignorant. Maybe it isn't true….

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Wasn't the drop box crap for COVID? Now that Biden has solved the COVID issue, why do we still have them?

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From the Data Guru himself:

“The GOP cavalry is coming”

Buckle up, boys and girls.
It’s about to get fun! 🇺🇸 pic.twitter.com/iufPIhroUb

— Kari Lake (@KariLake) November 12, 2022

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What a sham?

We have "Late-Early Drop Offs". My trust in any election has wavered into the "Give me a break" category. That includes the ones that meet my favored results…. I just don't think we even know anymore…

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From the Data Guru himself:

“The GOP cavalry is coming”

Buckle up, boys and girls.
It’s about to get fun! 🇺🇸 pic.twitter.com/iufPIhroUb

— Kari Lake (@KariLake) November 12, 2022

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What a sham?

We have "Late-Early Drop Offs". My trust in any election has wavered into the "Give me a break" category. That includes the ones that meet my favored results…. I just don't think we even know anymore…

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The road to complete loss of the Republic is a short one from here if we don't get this stopped.

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From the Data Guru himself:

“The GOP cavalry is coming”

Buckle up, boys and girls.
It’s about to get fun! 🇺🇸 pic.twitter.com/iufPIhroUb

— Kari Lake (@KariLake) November 12, 2022

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What a sham?

We have "Late-Early Drop Offs". My trust in any election has wavered into the "Give me a break" category. That includes the ones that meet my favored results…. I just don't think we even know anymore…

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Meh, they have GOP and DEM observers in the Maricopa county counting room. I'm sure they're all on edge looking for a many sign of an issue. At some point, we have to accept that Trump's backers aren't going to win general elections unless special circumstances (like throwing $30mm into last weeks of OH).

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From the Data Guru himself:

“The GOP cavalry is coming”

Buckle up, boys and girls.
It’s about to get fun! 🇺🇸 pic.twitter.com/iufPIhroUb

— Kari Lake (@KariLake) November 12, 2022

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What a sham?

We have "Late-Early Drop Offs". My trust in any election has wavered into the "Give me a break" category. That includes the ones that meet my favored results…. I just don't think we even know anymore…

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Meh, they have GOP and DEM observers in the Maricopa county counting room. I'm sure they're all on edge looking for a many sign of an issue. At some point, we have to accept that Trump's backers aren't going to win general elections unless special circumstances (like throwing $30mm into last weeks of OH).

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At some point, Arizona needs to get it's **** together. Should never take this long to get the results, the longer it goes the more ppl are gonna question things. I know this is what you dems like, but all these mail in votes need to stop unless there are folks that can't physically get to the poles. Election Day should be Election Day.

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Werewolf said:

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From the Data Guru himself:

“The GOP cavalry is coming”

Buckle up, boys and girls.
It’s about to get fun! 🇺🇸 pic.twitter.com/iufPIhroUb

— Kari Lake (@KariLake) November 12, 2022

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What a sham?

We have "Late-Early Drop Offs". My trust in any election has wavered into the "Give me a break" category. That includes the ones that meet my favored results…. I just don't think we even know anymore…

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Meh, they have GOP and DEM observers in the Maricopa county counting room. I'm sure they're all on edge looking for a many sign of an issue. At some point, we have to accept that Trump's backers aren't going to win general elections unless special circumstances (like throwing $30mm into last weeks of OH).

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At some point, Arizona needs to get it's **** together. Should never take this long to get the results, the longer it goes the more ppl are gonna question things. I know this is what you dems like, but all these mail in votes need to stop unless there are folks that can't physically get to the poles. Election Day should be Election Day.

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Lol, see, this is where we are…I suggest there are plenty of controls with observers in the room, but I'm a "you democrat". I just voted straight GOP on my ballot.
If I was told the counting rooms were restricted, I'd be concerned. But instead of wrongly blowing it off as my being partisan, so you think the GOP observers have just missed it?

I think the counting should be done quicker too. with all the focus on voting, states should have invested millions to make sure systems are efficient like FL has. But that doesn't make the counting wrong.