Civilized said:
RunsWithWolves26 said:
You just compared an average of 9 deaths per year to the killing of 2,000+ American lives by terrorist? You've been steadfast in your opinion only mattering but with that example, you've truly gone off the rails.
Evidently, now we're down to only counting 9 deaths of the 200+ deaths per year of blacks at the hands of cops? LOL, pretty soon we're only going to count killings where the cop is chewing gum and rubbing his belly when he fires his service weapon.
This is not just about killing either; there are other types of unnecessary violence police can inflict. Police are much more likely (currently 3.5x more likely) to use violence against blacks than whites, which has been the case as long as there were police and black people in this country. The sad thing is that it's probably getting better and it's still awful. Think about how bad it was in preceding generations if it's still this bad today.
Again, police are much more likely AS A PROPORTION OF OVERALL ENCOUNTERS to inflict violence on blacks. That controls for criminality (really, more like over-policing). You can't just say, "oh but blacks interact with police more." This controls for that. All that comes out in the wash.
I got what you were trying to say. It wasn't a good example, but I did get your point.
Regarding the 200-ish deaths of blacks at the hands of police: The overwhelming majority of those, there's nothing wrong with what happened. A criminal defied the police or threatened them in one way or another, ends up getting shot.
Same with the 400-ish whites that are killed by police.
Happens to everyone. But since blacks are more likely to be violent criminals, yeah...it does happen to them more.
You say police are "3.5x more likely to use violence against blacks".
Okay, but blacks are considerably more likely to be violent criminals in the first place, so it stands to reason that their encounters with police turn violent at a higher rate. You can absolutely say that "oh, blacks interact with police more".
It doesn't matter how many times you interact with police, it matters WHY you're interacting with police. That's what you are missing.
White people might be less likely to have their encounters go poorly and turn violent...but that's because they have a hell of a lot more "less severe crime" interactions with police. Sex offenses. Drug Abuse violations. DUI's. Liquor laws. Drunkenness.
Lesser crimes. Cops see a lot more, as a percentage, blacks for the big stuff like murder/manslaughter, robbery, assault. Crimes that violence is a bit more associated with.
Again:
Violent Crime 2017:
Total: 404,236
White: 236,590 58%
Black: 151,244 37%
And again:
US Population Percentages:
White: 60.4%
Black: 13.4%
See the issue? Blacks commit violent crime at almost 3X their percentage of the population, and whites do it at less than their %.
You can't just say "there are X police encounter with this race with X of them ending violently, vs the numbers for another race.
You have to consider WHAT the encounters are for. Like most everything else, an interaction with police is not an interaction with police is not an interaction with police.
Context matters.
In this same year, 2017, I have listed:
Death from Police:
White: 457 46% of those killed by police
Black: 223 22.5% of those killed by police
So whites, 60.4% of the population, committed 58% of violent crime, and were 46% of police killings.
Blacks, 13.4% of the population, committed 37% of violent crime, and were 22.5% of police killings.
I'm not seeing the problem here...at least, not specifically towards blacks. If you want to say the police should kill less people, period? Then I can get behind that. But if you look into the evidence fairly and honestly, you'll find that based on the type of encounters blacks tend to have with police compared to whites, they are not unfairly killed or experience violence at the hands of the cops. Not anymore than whites are.