Pacfanweb said:

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Civilized said:

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1MANWOLFPAK said:

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https://images.app.goo.gl/nSxVeirzo3vQ3KQBA

Civilized said:

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SupplyChainPack said:

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This is a classic Democratic strategy:. Create a huge problem, blame the problem entirely on your opponent, and tell the public that you are the only one that has the ability to solve the problem that you created in the first place.

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What 'huge problem' did the Democratic party create?

Any other specific examples of similar Democratic strategies?

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How did the Democratic party create the riots?

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Supporting BLM. Making inflammatory statements to foster the rage so they can beat Trump.

Constantly helping grow and nurture the climate we now have since 2016.

THEY are the dividers. I'm not a Republican, but it's been easy to see.

Let's back up:

The overwhelming majority of the media is Democratic and mostly liberal. We can all agree on that, it's even more settled, solid science than a spherical Earth.

They actively conspired with the DNC to defeat Bernie. Cheated by giving Hillary's team town hall questions and everything.
And the Bernie folks sucked it up and swallowed it and voted Hillary.

Once she was the nominee....they went into full "Orange man bad" mode. And it's NEVER stopped. They publicly threw fits, even TV hosts did, when Trump won.

They have NEVER stopped hammering Trump, over the smallest things. They took what Fox news did towards Obama, kicked that into overdrive, hit the nitrous button and let their freak flags fly high since 2016.
They have reported trivial things about Trump just to "chip away" at him. They have reported things proven to be false. They have blown minor things out of proportion.

They could have done that to Obama. He did plenty of stupid things. But they chose to bury those and not report every single little gaffe. And Fox could only make so much difference...they are big on cable news, but overall they're just a speck compared to the rest of the media.
But Obama was their guy, so that was never going to happen, much like you see FNC slobbering over Trump since 2016.

Along the way, this has led to unrest, as they have helped keep everyone riled up at the perceived injustice of it all.

They forgot something: Their active campaigning against Trump during the last election is a big part of what got him elected. People saw that. They saw the DNC/Media (they are basically one and the same, that was plain to see) conspire to screw Bernie.
Then they saw the media actively promote Hillary and rail against Trump. And people rejected that. Just like with masks (in a way), Americans don't like to be told what to do, and that's exactly what they were doing.

People still see that, and if Trump gets elected again, it's going to be a huge reason why.

Of course, having the most-disliked woman in America as their candidate didn't help, but the rest is all true.

There were gargantuan amounts of "butt hurt" upon his election. He compounded that, of course, by his constant lashing out at all the vitriol thrown his way.

They have tried every single method of trying to defeat Trump since 2016. It's unprecedented, really...at least in my lifetime. They haven't remotely tried to work with him. He's done quite a few good things to go along with his idiotic tweeting, but you'd never hear it.

People have seen that. The BLM-leaning folks have, of course, soaked up every word and fallen in lock step with the "Orange Man Bad" crowd.

The whining and raging we saw on election night 2016 and inauguration day 2017 has morphed into what we see today. The deaths and protests are just a vessel in which to further this.

The DNC has been front and center through the last 4 years in all of this, as has the media...which again, is basically the mouthpiece of the Democrats.

So yeah, they deserve a huge amount of the "credit" for today's climate. Some more responsible reporting the last 4 years and things aren't like this.

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Excellent post. Just tacking on that the Dems motto from day one of the Trump administration has been "#resist".

They meant it.

The lead vocalist for the band Skillet, John Cooper, lives in Kenosha and has been arming himself to protect his family and his property. He says in this interview that once the Governor accepted National Guard help, it's been pretty quiet. A really good interview.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/kenosha-wisconsin-violence-skillet-john-cooper

A model citizen and father, just out for a drive and being the good Samaritan that he is, stopped to break up a fight - shot in the back by police for just trying to get back in his car.... and now the real story comes out but the damage is done. They've already done their little protests, riots and looting, 10s of millions in damage and theft. And they will just say his past doesn't matter, his warrants don't matter, resisting doesn't matter, the knife he is holding and told repeatedly to drop doesn't matter. Reaching in the car during this violent interaction, that doesn't matter... any reasonable person should assume he called a TO from his violent assault of the police to check on the kids - right libs?

SupplyChainPack said:

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1MANWOLFPAK said:

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Lefties have donated $2 million to this piece of trash

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Makes sense. Follows the pattern in recent years of Dems making heroes out of monsters.

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Civilized said:

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Pacfanweb said:

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Supporting BLM. Making inflammatory statements to foster the rage so they can beat Trump.

Constantly helping grow and nurture the climate we now have since 2016.

THEY are the dividers. I'm not a Republican, but it's been easy to see.

Let's back up:

The overwhelming majority of the media is Democratic and mostly liberal. We can all agree on that, it's even more settled, solid science than a spherical Earth.

They actively conspired with the DNC to defeat Bernie. Cheated by giving Hillary's team town hall questions and everything.
And the Bernie folks sucked it up and swallowed it and voted Hillary.

Once she was the nominee....they went into full "Orange man bad" mode. And it's NEVER stopped. They publicly threw fits, even TV hosts did, when Trump won.

They have NEVER stopped hammering Trump, over the smallest things. They took what Fox news did towards Obama, kicked that into overdrive, hit the nitrous button and let their freak flags fly high since 2016.
They have reported trivial things about Trump just to "chip away" at him. They have reported things proven to be false. They have blown minor things out of proportion.

They could have done that to Obama. He did plenty of stupid things. But they chose to bury those and not report every single little gaffe. And Fox could only make so much difference...they are big on cable news, but overall they're just a speck compared to the rest of the media.
But Obama was their guy, so that was never going to happen, much like you see FNC slobbering over Trump since 2016.

Along the way, this has led to unrest, as they have helped keep everyone riled up at the perceived injustice of it all.

They forgot something: Their active campaigning against Trump during the last election is a big part of what got him elected. People saw that. They saw the DNC/Media (they are basically one and the same, that was plain to see) conspire to screw Bernie.
Then they saw the media actively promote Hillary and rail against Trump. And people rejected that. Just like with masks (in a way), Americans don't like to be told what to do, and that's exactly what they were doing.

People still see that, and if Trump gets elected again, it's going to be a huge reason why.

Of course, having the most-disliked woman in America as their candidate didn't help, but the rest is all true.

There were gargantuan amounts of "butt hurt" upon his election. He compounded that, of course, by his constant lashing out at all the vitriol thrown his way.

They have tried every single method of trying to defeat Trump since 2016. It's unprecedented, really...at least in my lifetime. They haven't remotely tried to work with him. He's done quite a few good things to go along with his idiotic tweeting, but you'd never hear it.

People have seen that. The BLM-leaning folks have, of course, soaked up every word and fallen in lock step with the "Orange Man Bad" crowd.

The whining and raging we saw on election night 2016 and inauguration day 2017 has morphed into what we see today. The deaths and protests are just a vessel in which to further this.

The DNC has been front and center through the last 4 years in all of this, as has the media...which again, is basically the mouthpiece of the Democrats.

So yeah, they deserve a huge amount of the "credit" for today's climate. Some more responsible reporting the last 4 years and things aren't like this.

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The mainstream media is liberal.

Trump is objectively one of the least intelligent, least well-spoken, most publicly impulsive, most divisive presidents we've ever had.

Both of those things are true.

As such, do you really find it surprising that the media covers him differently than they have every other president?

Do you really find it surprising that someone so patently unpresidential raises Democratic hackles?

This all feels different because Trump is an outlier, not because the game has changed.

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It's ok that the media treats Trump unfairly and that the media is far left biased. That's just the way it is. Just keep saying it over and over.

Mind blowing that you so easily sweep it under the rug.

packgrad said:

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Civilized said:

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Pacfanweb said:

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Supporting BLM. Making inflammatory statements to foster the rage so they can beat Trump.

Constantly helping grow and nurture the climate we now have since 2016.

THEY are the dividers. I'm not a Republican, but it's been easy to see.

Let's back up:

The overwhelming majority of the media is Democratic and mostly liberal. We can all agree on that, it's even more settled, solid science than a spherical Earth.

They actively conspired with the DNC to defeat Bernie. Cheated by giving Hillary's team town hall questions and everything.
And the Bernie folks sucked it up and swallowed it and voted Hillary.

Once she was the nominee....they went into full "Orange man bad" mode. And it's NEVER stopped. They publicly threw fits, even TV hosts did, when Trump won.

They have NEVER stopped hammering Trump, over the smallest things. They took what Fox news did towards Obama, kicked that into overdrive, hit the nitrous button and let their freak flags fly high since 2016.
They have reported trivial things about Trump just to "chip away" at him. They have reported things proven to be false. They have blown minor things out of proportion.

They could have done that to Obama. He did plenty of stupid things. But they chose to bury those and not report every single little gaffe. And Fox could only make so much difference...they are big on cable news, but overall they're just a speck compared to the rest of the media.
But Obama was their guy, so that was never going to happen, much like you see FNC slobbering over Trump since 2016.

Along the way, this has led to unrest, as they have helped keep everyone riled up at the perceived injustice of it all.

They forgot something: Their active campaigning against Trump during the last election is a big part of what got him elected. People saw that. They saw the DNC/Media (they are basically one and the same, that was plain to see) conspire to screw Bernie.
Then they saw the media actively promote Hillary and rail against Trump. And people rejected that. Just like with masks (in a way), Americans don't like to be told what to do, and that's exactly what they were doing.

People still see that, and if Trump gets elected again, it's going to be a huge reason why.

Of course, having the most-disliked woman in America as their candidate didn't help, but the rest is all true.

There were gargantuan amounts of "butt hurt" upon his election. He compounded that, of course, by his constant lashing out at all the vitriol thrown his way.

They have tried every single method of trying to defeat Trump since 2016. It's unprecedented, really...at least in my lifetime. They haven't remotely tried to work with him. He's done quite a few good things to go along with his idiotic tweeting, but you'd never hear it.

People have seen that. The BLM-leaning folks have, of course, soaked up every word and fallen in lock step with the "Orange Man Bad" crowd.

The whining and raging we saw on election night 2016 and inauguration day 2017 has morphed into what we see today. The deaths and protests are just a vessel in which to further this.

The DNC has been front and center through the last 4 years in all of this, as has the media...which again, is basically the mouthpiece of the Democrats.

So yeah, they deserve a huge amount of the "credit" for today's climate. Some more responsible reporting the last 4 years and things aren't like this.

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The mainstream media is liberal.

Trump is objectively one of the least intelligent, least well-spoken, most publicly impulsive, most divisive presidents we've ever had.

Both of those things are true.

As such, do you really find it surprising that the media covers him differently than they have every other president?

Do you really find it surprising that someone so patently unpresidential raises Democratic hackles?

This all feels different because Trump is an outlier, not because the game has changed.

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It's ok that the media treats Trump unfairly and that the media is far left biased. That's just the way it is. Just keep saying it over and over.

Mind blowing that you so easily sweep it under the rug.

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Yep.

And to tie this in with this thread's general topic: So the media treats Trump unfairly because he's different....not well spoken, divisive, etc. And it shouldn't surprise us that they do so because that's the way he is, right?

BUT: Is it not exactly the same with police and blacks? They are more violent, commit more crimes, have more run-ins with the police, are less cooperative/more adversarial with the police than anyone else......does it surprise anyone that they might get treated a bit differently?

Same. Exact. Thing.

But that's not okay, and the media (nearly all liberal) actively campaigning against Trump is okay, because 'we should expect it, because he's different'.

I'd expect a bit of it, sure. They treated W pretty badly....they were butt hurt over (legitimately) losing the 2000 election....they went into "full no-cooperation mode" the rest of his tenure. Then the Pubs did it in return to Obama, while the media did everything they could to make it look like he walked on water.

And now it's exposed for all to see.

Pacfanweb said:

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packgrad said:

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Civilized said:

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Pacfanweb said:

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Supporting BLM. Making inflammatory statements to foster the rage so they can beat Trump.

Constantly helping grow and nurture the climate we now have since 2016.

THEY are the dividers. I'm not a Republican, but it's been easy to see.

Let's back up:

The overwhelming majority of the media is Democratic and mostly liberal. We can all agree on that, it's even more settled, solid science than a spherical Earth.

They actively conspired with the DNC to defeat Bernie. Cheated by giving Hillary's team town hall questions and everything.
And the Bernie folks sucked it up and swallowed it and voted Hillary.

Once she was the nominee....they went into full "Orange man bad" mode. And it's NEVER stopped. They publicly threw fits, even TV hosts did, when Trump won.

They have NEVER stopped hammering Trump, over the smallest things. They took what Fox news did towards Obama, kicked that into overdrive, hit the nitrous button and let their freak flags fly high since 2016.
They have reported trivial things about Trump just to "chip away" at him. They have reported things proven to be false. They have blown minor things out of proportion.

They could have done that to Obama. He did plenty of stupid things. But they chose to bury those and not report every single little gaffe. And Fox could only make so much difference...they are big on cable news, but overall they're just a speck compared to the rest of the media.
But Obama was their guy, so that was never going to happen, much like you see FNC slobbering over Trump since 2016.

Along the way, this has led to unrest, as they have helped keep everyone riled up at the perceived injustice of it all.

They forgot something: Their active campaigning against Trump during the last election is a big part of what got him elected. People saw that. They saw the DNC/Media (they are basically one and the same, that was plain to see) conspire to screw Bernie.
Then they saw the media actively promote Hillary and rail against Trump. And people rejected that. Just like with masks (in a way), Americans don't like to be told what to do, and that's exactly what they were doing.

People still see that, and if Trump gets elected again, it's going to be a huge reason why.

Of course, having the most-disliked woman in America as their candidate didn't help, but the rest is all true.

There were gargantuan amounts of "butt hurt" upon his election. He compounded that, of course, by his constant lashing out at all the vitriol thrown his way.

They have tried every single method of trying to defeat Trump since 2016. It's unprecedented, really...at least in my lifetime. They haven't remotely tried to work with him. He's done quite a few good things to go along with his idiotic tweeting, but you'd never hear it.

People have seen that. The BLM-leaning folks have, of course, soaked up every word and fallen in lock step with the "Orange Man Bad" crowd.

The whining and raging we saw on election night 2016 and inauguration day 2017 has morphed into what we see today. The deaths and protests are just a vessel in which to further this.

The DNC has been front and center through the last 4 years in all of this, as has the media...which again, is basically the mouthpiece of the Democrats.

So yeah, they deserve a huge amount of the "credit" for today's climate. Some more responsible reporting the last 4 years and things aren't like this.

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The mainstream media is liberal.

Trump is objectively one of the least intelligent, least well-spoken, most publicly impulsive, most divisive presidents we've ever had.

Both of those things are true.

As such, do you really find it surprising that the media covers him differently than they have every other president?

Do you really find it surprising that someone so patently unpresidential raises Democratic hackles?

This all feels different because Trump is an outlier, not because the game has changed.

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It's ok that the media treats Trump unfairly and that the media is far left biased. That's just the way it is. Just keep saying it over and over.

Mind blowing that you so easily sweep it under the rug.

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Yep.

And to tie this in with this thread's general topic: So the media treats Trump unfairly because he's different....not well spoken, divisive, etc. And it shouldn't surprise us that they do so because that's the way he is, right?

BUT: Is it not exactly the same with police and blacks? They are more violent, commit more crimes, have more run-ins with the police, are less cooperative/more adversarial with the police than anyone else......does it surprise anyone that they might get treated a bit differently?

Same. Exact. Thing.

But that's not okay, and the media (nearly all liberal) actively campaigning against Trump is okay, because 'we should expect it, because he's different'.

I'd expect a bit of it, sure. They treated W pretty badly....they were butt hurt over (legitimately) losing the 2000 election....they went into "full no-cooperation mode" the rest of his tenure. Then the Pubs did it in return to Obama, while the media did everything they could to make it look like he walked on water.

And now it's exposed for all to see.

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Great, great points.

It is a bit odd to see the "tolerance" crowd justify relentless media attacks on the President because he's different. (Of course we know that isn't the reason.)

As for W, at the time of his presidency, the news media had never acted more reprehensibly didn't they did towards that man. They were relentless and juvenile in their attacks on everything that he did. It was in that time that there was no room left for any reasonable person to doubt the hard left liberal bias of the American news media.

Of course in the age of Donald Trump, the news media has gone orders of magnitude lower than they did during the Bush administration. Several orders of magnitude.

Used car salesman and ambulance-chasing lawyers have vastly more integrity then most of the news media members. Professional wrestling is far more believable than what you see on a typical NBC News nightly news cast, for example; and prostitutes earn a far more honest living than they.

packgrad said:

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Civilized said:

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Pacfanweb said:

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Supporting BLM. Making inflammatory statements to foster the rage so they can beat Trump.

Constantly helping grow and nurture the climate we now have since 2016.

THEY are the dividers. I'm not a Republican, but it's been easy to see.

Let's back up:

The overwhelming majority of the media is Democratic and mostly liberal. We can all agree on that, it's even more settled, solid science than a spherical Earth.

They actively conspired with the DNC to defeat Bernie. Cheated by giving Hillary's team town hall questions and everything.
And the Bernie folks sucked it up and swallowed it and voted Hillary.

Once she was the nominee....they went into full "Orange man bad" mode. And it's NEVER stopped. They publicly threw fits, even TV hosts did, when Trump won.

They have NEVER stopped hammering Trump, over the smallest things. They took what Fox news did towards Obama, kicked that into overdrive, hit the nitrous button and let their freak flags fly high since 2016.
They have reported trivial things about Trump just to "chip away" at him. They have reported things proven to be false. They have blown minor things out of proportion.

They could have done that to Obama. He did plenty of stupid things. But they chose to bury those and not report every single little gaffe. And Fox could only make so much difference...they are big on cable news, but overall they're just a speck compared to the rest of the media.
But Obama was their guy, so that was never going to happen, much like you see FNC slobbering over Trump since 2016.

Along the way, this has led to unrest, as they have helped keep everyone riled up at the perceived injustice of it all.

They forgot something: Their active campaigning against Trump during the last election is a big part of what got him elected. People saw that. They saw the DNC/Media (they are basically one and the same, that was plain to see) conspire to screw Bernie.
Then they saw the media actively promote Hillary and rail against Trump. And people rejected that. Just like with masks (in a way), Americans don't like to be told what to do, and that's exactly what they were doing.

People still see that, and if Trump gets elected again, it's going to be a huge reason why.

Of course, having the most-disliked woman in America as their candidate didn't help, but the rest is all true.

There were gargantuan amounts of "butt hurt" upon his election. He compounded that, of course, by his constant lashing out at all the vitriol thrown his way.

They have tried every single method of trying to defeat Trump since 2016. It's unprecedented, really...at least in my lifetime. They haven't remotely tried to work with him. He's done quite a few good things to go along with his idiotic tweeting, but you'd never hear it.

People have seen that. The BLM-leaning folks have, of course, soaked up every word and fallen in lock step with the "Orange Man Bad" crowd.

The whining and raging we saw on election night 2016 and inauguration day 2017 has morphed into what we see today. The deaths and protests are just a vessel in which to further this.

The DNC has been front and center through the last 4 years in all of this, as has the media...which again, is basically the mouthpiece of the Democrats.

So yeah, they deserve a huge amount of the "credit" for today's climate. Some more responsible reporting the last 4 years and things aren't like this.

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The mainstream media is liberal.

Trump is objectively one of the least intelligent, least well-spoken, most publicly impulsive, most divisive presidents we've ever had.

Both of those things are true.

As such, do you really find it surprising that the media covers him differently than they have every other president?

Do you really find it surprising that someone so patently unpresidential raises Democratic hackles?

This all feels different because Trump is an outlier, not because the game has changed.

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It's ok that the media treats Trump unfairly and that the media is far left biased. That's just the way it is. Just keep saying it over and over.

Mind blowing that you so easily sweep it under the rug.

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People seem to forget how much the media hated George W. Bush.

Heck, they hated Romney and McCain when they were running for President.

The Media was going to attack whomever the Republican nominee was... wether that have been Rubio, Haley, or Mother Teresa.

Just look at what they did to Brett Cavanuagh. Yes, media goes over board on Trump, but they were going to attack whomever the "other team" leader is that they oppose.

Yep.

Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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It's ok that the media treats Trump unfairly and that the media is far left biased. That's just the way it is. Just keep saying it over and over.

Mind blowing that you so easily sweep it under the rug.

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Trump lies, misleads, and exaggerates so frequently that it's basically impossible to cover him in a way that doesn't sound negative. I'm not talking about understandable misstatements or plausibly defensible statements. Virtually every time he opens his mouth he's saying something that does not survive even remedial scrutiny.

If we have a president that lies, misleads, and exaggerates to the American public constantly, and some multiple more than all his predecessors, wouldn't you expect media coverage of him to be unlike any president before him? Then you layer in his childish impulsivity, massive insecurity, and need to constantly be spouting off on Twitter and you've got a recipe for an unprecedented level of negative media attention.

So much of the negative attention he draws to himself is avoidable too; he definitely doesn't prescribe to the "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt" school of thought. He can't stop talking so he steps on his dick constantly.

I understand why Republicans tire of the media's liberal bent. But Trump being covered differently is completely understandable due to his extraordinarily strained relationship with the truth.

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A Trump supporter is murdered by Antifa and you write 4 paragraphs explaining why it's ok that the media vilifies Trump and treats him poorly? Wow. That's some poor timing for that perspective.

Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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Civilized said:

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Trump lies, misleads, and exaggerates so frequently that it's basically impossible to cover him in a way that doesn't sound negative. I'm not talking about understandable misstatements or plausibly defensible statements. Virtually every time he opens his mouth he's saying something that does not survive even remedial scrutiny.

If we have a president that lies, misleads, and exaggerates to the American public constantly, and some multiple more than all his predecessors, wouldn't you expect media coverage of him to be unlike any president before him? Then you layer in his childish impulsivity, massive insecurity, and need to constantly be spouting off on Twitter and you've got a recipe for an unprecedented level of negative media attention.

So much of the negative attention he draws to himself is avoidable too; he definitely doesn't prescribe to the "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt" school of thought. He can't stop talking so he steps on his dick constantly.

I understand why Republicans tire of the media's liberal bent. But Trump being covered differently is completely understandable due to his extraordinarily strained relationship with the truth.

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A Trump supporter is murdered by Antifa and you write 4 paragraphs explaining why it's ok that the media vilifies Trump and treats him poorly? Wow. That's some poor timing for that perspective.

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They're all bound up together.

Trump's not a victim of anything other than his own diarrhea of the mouth.

We as a country are victims of him stoking the fire of racial animus. We're all paying the price for his tribal divisiveness, including in Kenosha and Portland.

There's a reason hate crimes have markedly increased since he became president. We're not having this conversation if Kasich or Rubio or Cruz is in the White House.

Pubs put an petty, unintelligent, and divisive bull in the White House and then want to play the "poor Trump, poor us" card when we're all getting the horns.

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Yes we are and this is bull. Whoever the republican president is will get hammered for being racist or sexist or whatever ist that democrats can come up with...and folks like you will eat is up

According to the Hate Crime statistics put out by the DOJ you are incorrect...We are down from where we were just a few years ago through 2018, which is the last year you can get a report on hate crime statistics

Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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Civilized said:

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Trump lies, misleads, and exaggerates so frequently that it's basically impossible to cover him in a way that doesn't sound negative. I'm not talking about understandable misstatements or plausibly defensible statements. Virtually every time he opens his mouth he's saying something that does not survive even remedial scrutiny.

If we have a president that lies, misleads, and exaggerates to the American public constantly, and some multiple more than all his predecessors, wouldn't you expect media coverage of him to be unlike any president before him? Then you layer in his childish impulsivity, massive insecurity, and need to constantly be spouting off on Twitter and you've got a recipe for an unprecedented level of negative media attention.

So much of the negative attention he draws to himself is avoidable too; he definitely doesn't prescribe to the "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt" school of thought. He can't stop talking so he steps on his dick constantly.

I understand why Republicans tire of the media's liberal bent. But Trump being covered differently is completely understandable due to his extraordinarily strained relationship with the truth.

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A Trump supporter is murdered by Antifa and you write 4 paragraphs explaining why it's ok that the media vilifies Trump and treats him poorly? Wow. That's some poor timing for that perspective.

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They're all bound up together.

Trump's not a victim of anything other than his own diarrhea of the mouth.

We as a country are victims of him stoking the fire of racial animus. We're all paying the price for his tribal divisiveness, including in Kenosha and Portland.

There's a reason hate crimes have markedly increased since he became president. We're not having this conversation if Kasich or Rubio or Cruz is in the White House.

Pubs put an petty, unintelligent, and divisive bull in the White House and then want to play the "poor Trump, poor us" card when we're all getting the horns.

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George Bush was compared to Satan. Try again.

And it's not racial animus. It's EXTREME liberal animus.

Trump wasn't even given one day in office before he was being harassed... Cecilia Vega (ABC News one of their White House pool reporters) used to literally have veins popping out the side of her head whenever she asked him anything... it was nothing but pure vitriol. from. the. start.

Funny how Republicans didn't somehow think the world was coming to an end when Obama got elected.

During my lifetime, Presidents have been Kennedy (D), Johnson (D), Nixon (R), Ford (R), Carter (D), Reagan (R), Bush 41 (R), Clinton (D), Bush 43 (R), Obama (D), Trump (R)... and somehow I'm still here, when the other side wins you still have to go about your life - you know?

The only two (2) that have been treated this poorly from the opposite side have been Bush 43 and Trump... I felt sorry as a human being for Bush 43 towards the end of his presidency he was treated so poorly by the media - but that doesn't even hold a candle to what Trump has had to deal with. Like I said, he was never given even a day before it started. *Oddly enough, now Democrats think Bush 43 is almost fine.

If you can't even see - and acknowledge - at least that then there is no reason for anybody to even try to have a conversation with you about any of this... let alone rioting, anarchism, looting, burning buildings (both public and private), kneeling for your country's national anthem and all that other great stuff y'all got going on for us right now.

James Henderson said:

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Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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Civilized said:

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Trump lies, misleads, and exaggerates so frequently that it's basically impossible to cover him in a way that doesn't sound negative. I'm not talking about understandable misstatements or plausibly defensible statements. Virtually every time he opens his mouth he's saying something that does not survive even remedial scrutiny.

If we have a president that lies, misleads, and exaggerates to the American public constantly, and some multiple more than all his predecessors, wouldn't you expect media coverage of him to be unlike any president before him? Then you layer in his childish impulsivity, massive insecurity, and need to constantly be spouting off on Twitter and you've got a recipe for an unprecedented level of negative media attention.

So much of the negative attention he draws to himself is avoidable too; he definitely doesn't prescribe to the "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt" school of thought. He can't stop talking so he steps on his dick constantly.

I understand why Republicans tire of the media's liberal bent. But Trump being covered differently is completely understandable due to his extraordinarily strained relationship with the truth.

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A Trump supporter is murdered by Antifa and you write 4 paragraphs explaining why it's ok that the media vilifies Trump and treats him poorly? Wow. That's some poor timing for that perspective.

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They're all bound up together.

Trump's not a victim of anything other than his own diarrhea of the mouth.

We as a country are victims of him stoking the fire of racial animus. We're all paying the price for his tribal divisiveness, including in Kenosha and Portland.

There's a reason hate crimes have markedly increased since he became president. We're not having this conversation if Kasich or Rubio or Cruz is in the White House.

Pubs put an petty, unintelligent, and divisive bull in the White House and then want to play the "poor Trump, poor us" card when we're all getting the horns.

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Has anything positive happened during Trump's tenure that should warrant positive pub from the press?

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How about the unemployment rates at the lowest they have been in 50 years? The lowest African American, Asian, and Hispanic unemployment rates ever.

How about the killing of a couple of terrorists?

How about tremendous tax cuts that helped the economy.

James you say you don't follow politics and that is fine. For 4 years the Democrats have accused Trump of colluding with the Russians. Totally False. They had a two year investigation and could not find anything although Robert Mueller's team was filled with Clinton lawyers and Democrats. Then the impeachment scam that had no merit.

There are lots of things you can point to that have been good for the country, but the media will not recognize anything that is good for America.

DrummerboyWolf said:

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James Henderson said:

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Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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Civilized said:

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Trump lies, misleads, and exaggerates so frequently that it's basically impossible to cover him in a way that doesn't sound negative. I'm not talking about understandable misstatements or plausibly defensible statements. Virtually every time he opens his mouth he's saying something that does not survive even remedial scrutiny.

If we have a president that lies, misleads, and exaggerates to the American public constantly, and some multiple more than all his predecessors, wouldn't you expect media coverage of him to be unlike any president before him? Then you layer in his childish impulsivity, massive insecurity, and need to constantly be spouting off on Twitter and you've got a recipe for an unprecedented level of negative media attention.

So much of the negative attention he draws to himself is avoidable too; he definitely doesn't prescribe to the "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt" school of thought. He can't stop talking so he steps on his dick constantly.

I understand why Republicans tire of the media's liberal bent. But Trump being covered differently is completely understandable due to his extraordinarily strained relationship with the truth.

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A Trump supporter is murdered by Antifa and you write 4 paragraphs explaining why it's ok that the media vilifies Trump and treats him poorly? Wow. That's some poor timing for that perspective.

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They're all bound up together.

Trump's not a victim of anything other than his own diarrhea of the mouth.

We as a country are victims of him stoking the fire of racial animus. We're all paying the price for his tribal divisiveness, including in Kenosha and Portland.

There's a reason hate crimes have markedly increased since he became president. We're not having this conversation if Kasich or Rubio or Cruz is in the White House.

Pubs put an petty, unintelligent, and divisive bull in the White House and then want to play the "poor Trump, poor us" card when we're all getting the horns.

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Has anything positive happened during Trump's tenure that should warrant positive pub from the press?

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How about the unemployment rates at the lowest they have been in 50 years? The lowest African American, Asian, and Hispanic unemployment rates ever.

How about the killing of a couple of terrorists?

How about tremendous tax cuts that helped the economy.

James you say you don't follow politics and that is fine. For 4 years the Democrats have accused Trump of colluding with the Russians. Totally False. They had a two year investigation and could not find anything although Robert Mueller's team was filled with Clinton lawyers and Democrats. Then the impeachment scam that had no merit.

There are lots of things you can point to that have been good for the country, but the media will not recognize anything that is good for America.

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Well we also had the best US economy in the history of my adult lifetime until around February...

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Civilized said:

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It's ok that the media treats Trump unfairly and that the media is far left biased. That's just the way it is. Just keep saying it over and over.

Mind blowing that you so easily sweep it under the rug.

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Trump lies, misleads, and exaggerates so frequently that it's basically impossible to cover him in a way that doesn't sound negative. I'm not talking about understandable misstatements or plausibly defensible statements. Virtually every time he opens his mouth he's saying something that does not survive even remedial scrutiny.

If we have a president that lies, misleads, and exaggerates to the American public constantly, and some multiple more than all his predecessors, wouldn't you expect media coverage of him to be unlike any president before him? Then you layer in his childish impulsivity, massive insecurity, and need to constantly be spouting off on Twitter and you've got a recipe for an unprecedented level of negative media attention.

So much of the negative attention he draws to himself is avoidable too; he definitely doesn't prescribe to the "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt" school of thought. He can't stop talking so he steps on his dick constantly.

I understand why Republicans tire of the media's liberal bent. But Trump being covered differently is completely understandable due to his extraordinarily strained relationship with the truth.

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Yeah.....no...

I remember when the media went after Romney the same way in 2012, McCain in 2008, Bush in 2000 and 2004 the same way. Only difference is that "journalist" are on social media now and they don't have a newsroom to hide behind as non-partisan.

Candy Crowley went so far to argue with Romney during one of the debates when he said something she didn't agree with....and the hell of it was that he was correct.

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And remember how quickly they changed their tune on McCain when he started disagreeing with Trump. He was their boy then.

James Henderson said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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James Henderson said:

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Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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Civilized said:

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Trump lies, misleads, and exaggerates so frequently that it's basically impossible to cover him in a way that doesn't sound negative. I'm not talking about understandable misstatements or plausibly defensible statements. Virtually every time he opens his mouth he's saying something that does not survive even remedial scrutiny.

If we have a president that lies, misleads, and exaggerates to the American public constantly, and some multiple more than all his predecessors, wouldn't you expect media coverage of him to be unlike any president before him? Then you layer in his childish impulsivity, massive insecurity, and need to constantly be spouting off on Twitter and you've got a recipe for an unprecedented level of negative media attention.

So much of the negative attention he draws to himself is avoidable too; he definitely doesn't prescribe to the "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt" school of thought. He can't stop talking so he steps on his dick constantly.

I understand why Republicans tire of the media's liberal bent. But Trump being covered differently is completely understandable due to his extraordinarily strained relationship with the truth.

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A Trump supporter is murdered by Antifa and you write 4 paragraphs explaining why it's ok that the media vilifies Trump and treats him poorly? Wow. That's some poor timing for that perspective.

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They're all bound up together.

Trump's not a victim of anything other than his own diarrhea of the mouth.

We as a country are victims of him stoking the fire of racial animus. We're all paying the price for his tribal divisiveness, including in Kenosha and Portland.

There's a reason hate crimes have markedly increased since he became president. We're not having this conversation if Kasich or Rubio or Cruz is in the White House.

Pubs put an petty, unintelligent, and divisive bull in the White House and then want to play the "poor Trump, poor us" card when we're all getting the horns.

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Has anything positive happened during Trump's tenure that should warrant positive pub from the press?

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How about the unemployment rates at the lowest they have been in 50 years? The lowest African American, Asian, and Hispanic unemployment rates ever.

How about the killing of a couple of terrorists?

How about tremendous tax cuts that helped the economy.

James you say you don't follow politics and that is fine. For 4 years the Democrats have accused Trump of colluding with the Russians. Totally False. They had a two year investigation and could not find anything although Robert Mueller's team was filled with Clinton lawyers and Democrats. Then the impeachment scam that had no merit.

There are lots of things you can point to that have been good for the country, but the media will not recognize anything that is good for America.

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That's why I'm asking because if I'm the media and really care about the country, I think the President should be judged on what contributions he's made moreso than his personality or background.

Of course I didn't know about the unemployment rates or anything like that.

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There is lots more. Lots of deregulation to help business easier. He got us out of the Paris Climate Accord which was designed to milk the USA out of trillions of dollars.

Got us out of the stupid Nuclear Deal with Iran.

He is making NATO pay more for their own protection. We used to foot almost the whole bill. Now Europe is pitching in.

I don't like tariffs, but he is winning the trade war with China.

Moved the embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. Clinton, Bush, and Obama all promised to do it but wouldn't do it because it would upset the Palestinians. Trump didn't care and got it done.

You may still want to not follow. The media lies all the time about what Trump is doing. Some don't like his tweets and stuff and fighting with the media, but if you look at his ACTIONS, then he has done a lot in the first 3 and half years. I did not vote for him in 2016 but there was no way I was voting for the Hildabeast. I will vote for him this time.

Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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A Trump supporter is murdered by Antifa and you write 4 paragraphs explaining why it's ok that the media vilifies Trump and treats him poorly? Wow. That's some poor timing for that perspective.

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They're all bound up together.

Trump's not a victim of anything other than his own diarrhea of the mouth.

We as a country are victims of him stoking the fire of racial animus. We're all paying the price for his tribal divisiveness, including in Kenosha and Portland.

There's a reason hate crimes have markedly increased since he became president. We're not having this conversation if Kasich or Rubio or Cruz is in the White House.

Pubs put an petty, unintelligent, and divisive bull in the White House and then want to play the "poor Trump, poor us" card when we're all getting the horns.

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Come on, man.

Trump's not the one who has divided the country. The media and the Democrats have done that for the last 4 years.

THEY are the ones who have been hammering away at Trump the entire time. They report/point out EVERY. SINGLE. THING. he's said or done that could be remotely twisted into something negative.

The people in this country have not, repeat: NOT REMOTELY simple listened to Trump and become this way organically as a result.

They have been TOLD, every step of the way, just how divisive he is....when he's really not.

You're right about his stupid tweets....but you have to look at it from his viewpoint, which I'm quite sure you haven't: It's the only defense he has. He's been under attack from the media and Democrats since he was running, and that only ramped up when he was elected.

THEY are the ones who have done their best to connect Trump to anything negative they possibly could.

These racial goings-on that we are seeing had already started under Obama. There were more of them under him that were huge, national deals, than I can remember the previous 20 years or so. And they were continuing under the Great Divider that Obama was. HE stoked the fires. Trump's not the one that sent a representative from the White House to Michael Brown's funeral, which greatly helped the perception that the shooting was wrong.

These things were already going. When they continued after Trump took over, UNLIKE they did with Obama, the media IMMEDIATELY started blaming them on Trump. Whatever it took.

Trump doesn't have a damn thing to do with these things, other than the fact that he simply exists as President. They media/Democrats and their constant stoking of the fires combined with their hatred of Trump has done that, almost 100%.

And incompetently-run, Democratic stronghold cities have burned as a result.

So yeah, Trump says stupid things. He's not a "think on your feet" kind of guy. I personally don't like him and didn't vote for him. However, I can damn well see the orchestrated, constant attack that's been going on against him for the last 4 years as plain as day.
It's all been an attempt to make him look bad, to make him less effective, and to win 2020. No more, no less.

They don't give a damn about these riots. They revel in them. It's more fuel for the fire. They WANT them to continue, so they can keep reporting how bad things are. Same with Covid. The press didn't cause Covid, but they've damn sure blown it out of proportion and have reported it the worst way possible and there's no way Trump isn't a good bit of the reason for that as well.

Why? Remember..."It's the economy, stupid". The economy was soaring prior to Covid. They want things to be bad to Trump will lose, because if the economy is good, a sitting President wins reelection.

So again....sure, Trump says stupid things. He's an embarrassment at times. He gets all blustery and sounds like an idiot. But he's under attack from all sides, and is constantly defending himself. You also have to remember that. If he sat up there and said nothing like W did, he looks like a wimp and the media (AKA, Democrats) have their way with painting their own picture of him for the country.

But he's not wired that way. So he fights back....but that is not remotely what's divided this country.

James Henderson said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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James Henderson said:

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Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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Civilized said:

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Trump lies, misleads, and exaggerates so frequently that it's basically impossible to cover him in a way that doesn't sound negative. I'm not talking about understandable misstatements or plausibly defensible statements. Virtually every time he opens his mouth he's saying something that does not survive even remedial scrutiny.

If we have a president that lies, misleads, and exaggerates to the American public constantly, and some multiple more than all his predecessors, wouldn't you expect media coverage of him to be unlike any president before him? Then you layer in his childish impulsivity, massive insecurity, and need to constantly be spouting off on Twitter and you've got a recipe for an unprecedented level of negative media attention.

So much of the negative attention he draws to himself is avoidable too; he definitely doesn't prescribe to the "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt" school of thought. He can't stop talking so he steps on his dick constantly.

I understand why Republicans tire of the media's liberal bent. But Trump being covered differently is completely understandable due to his extraordinarily strained relationship with the truth.

---

A Trump supporter is murdered by Antifa and you write 4 paragraphs explaining why it's ok that the media vilifies Trump and treats him poorly? Wow. That's some poor timing for that perspective.

---

They're all bound up together.

Trump's not a victim of anything other than his own diarrhea of the mouth.

We as a country are victims of him stoking the fire of racial animus. We're all paying the price for his tribal divisiveness, including in Kenosha and Portland.

There's a reason hate crimes have markedly increased since he became president. We're not having this conversation if Kasich or Rubio or Cruz is in the White House.

Pubs put an petty, unintelligent, and divisive bull in the White House and then want to play the "poor Trump, poor us" card when we're all getting the horns.

---

Has anything positive happened during Trump's tenure that should warrant positive pub from the press?

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How about the unemployment rates at the lowest they have been in 50 years? The lowest African American, Asian, and Hispanic unemployment rates ever.

How about the killing of a couple of terrorists?

How about tremendous tax cuts that helped the economy.

James you say you don't follow politics and that is fine. For 4 years the Democrats have accused Trump of colluding with the Russians. Totally False. They had a two year investigation and could not find anything although Robert Mueller's team was filled with Clinton lawyers and Democrats. Then the impeachment scam that had no merit.

There are lots of things you can point to that have been good for the country, but the media will not recognize anything that is good for America.

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That's why I'm asking because if I'm the media and really care about the country, I think the President should be judged on what contributions he's made moreso than his personality or background.

Of course I didn't know about the unemployment rates or anything like that.

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The media doesn't care about the country...the media cares about power, and they are a bunch of democrats.

Pacfanweb said:

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Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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A Trump supporter is murdered by Antifa and you write 4 paragraphs explaining why it's ok that the media vilifies Trump and treats him poorly? Wow. That's some poor timing for that perspective.

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They don't give a damn about these riots. They revel in them. It's more fuel for the fire. They WANT them to continue, so they can keep reporting how bad things are. Same with Covid. The press didn't cause Covid, but they've damn sure blown it out of proportion and have reported it the worst way possible and there's no way Trump isn't a good bit of the reason for that as well.

Why? Remember..."It's the economy, stupid". The economy was soaring prior to Covid. They want things to be bad to Trump will lose, because if the economy is good, a sitting President wins reelection.

So again....sure, Trump says stupid things. He's an embarrassment at times. He gets all blustery and sounds like an idiot. But he's under attack from all sides, and is constantly defending himself. You also have to remember that. If he sat up there and said nothing like W did, he looks like a wimp and the media (AKA, Democrats) have their way with painting their own picture of him for the country.

But he's not wired that way. So he fights back....but that is not remotely what's divided this country.

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You mean the "mainly peaceful protests."