Civilized said:
caryking said:
hokiewolf said:
How would you have expected FBI employees / informants to act on Jan 6th? What is your perception of how they acted on Jan 6th?
What was their mission? If I knew that, I could answer it. That said, I don't know for 100% sure, the FBI was on the ground, on Jan 5th or 6th...
Cary, I know you bag on Were sometimes for his crazy unsupported meme-ing (and good on you, and rightfully so) but this line of thinking of yours is the same as Were's typical nonsense.
"I haven't seen evidence that something (usually some far-fetched thing) is NOT true, so maybe it is true!" Or in the case of Were's stuff "...so it almost certainly is true!"
This line of thinking relies on finding positive evidence of something NOT existing, which is very difficult at best and most of the time is impossible because you can't rule out every single potential faulty assumption or theory that leads to a particular conclusion.
Instead of relying on or putting the burden on others to find evidence of absence, isn't a much more direct approach to look for direct evidence something did happen? And if you don't see any, then shelving that theory and thinking "I don't see any evidence on which to make that conclusion so I'm going to assume it didn't happen, for now, and move on."
Take Trump and Russia. You know I think Trump is profoundly unfit to be our president. And after watching him verbally fellate Putin for months and with there being clear evidence of Russian interference in the 2016 election I thought it was quite possible Trump colluded with Russia. That was investigated thoroughly. No direct evidence of collusion was found and my opinion changed as a result. My working assumption at this point is that he didn't collude. Maybe evidence turns up later, and if it does it could change my opinion by my working assumption this point is that there wasn't active collusion between Russia and Putin.
And casting aside for a minute the utter void of evidence supporting these and other false flag and nefarious conspiracy fantasies (like widespread election fraud), doesn't it bother you that they fail one of the most basic tests of reasonableness, which is expecting dozens or hundreds or thousands of co-conspirators to keep a secret?
Civ, thanks for the diatribe!
Let me make it clear, regarding the Jan 6th crap. It is speculated (some may think it's fact) that the FBI had people, on the ground, on Jan 6th. I'll repeat… I do not know for 100% certainty that speculation is true. I don't know, and honestly, you don't know.
Now, based on your logic, we should accept the non-answers, by Wray and the FBI, regarding people, on the ground. To the best of my knowledge, questions have been asked, in committees, without affirmative "No" answers.
So, we have to start to piece things together, as I did, in a previous email. We have some inconvenient facts, I laid out. Do those facts conclude the FBI had people on the ground? No! Is it a complete coincidence? Probably not!
I think where you and I may have the biggest disagreement is on trust of government! I just don't anymore! Nor, do I have trust in the media. I question outlets I do watch and/or read. That said, those outlets appear to piece together logic, better than the Government and MSM!
Yes, I do see MSM talking points. They just aren't plausible to me!
Now, Civ, take your logic and apply it to the latest news regarding Trump. The tapes! Without any video footage, are you bought in that Trump was showing secret documents?
On the illegal or criminal immigrants…
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