Oh... so now it is a prank? The fact you said I was the "only confirmed poster here that donated to Warren" was that a prank too or just another one of your lies.hokiewolf said:There is no double standard.BBW12OG said:Don't think I was proven wrong. The way it was handled is obviously a double standard. Did they raid Dear Leader's home? Did they politicize the process? Why was he allowed a different process?Manny Sanguine said:I meant my message quoting the National Archives statement from August 12:BBW12OG said:I understand not changing the information but it reads to me like this is going to amount to nothing at all but a "political hit job" perpetrated by the left... again..Manny Sanguine said:See my message posted just above yours.BBW12OG said:Now justify Dear Leader doing the same thing or does he get a pass? He got a pass from the propaganda arm of the MARXIST PARTY the MSM, every lefty politician, every lefty pundit just as Cankles Clinton did.Manny Sanguine said:Beyond the question of whether declassification can actually work that way, and whether Trump actually did declassify documents that way while sitting as president, such declassification would not necessarily provide a defense with respect to the statutes listed on the search warrant.dogplasma said:I can't say if that's true either, but if it is, it literally makes zero sense. You don't have to document declassification of sensitive defense materials?? That would give any non-sitting President the power to declassify things at any time after the fact just by saying, "Oh yeah, I did that." Which is exactly what Trump is attempting. He's trying to redraw another hurricane forecast with his legal Sharpie, IMO. If the lawyer's claim is true, that's a crazy broken system we have.caryking said:
A Trump lawyer said, this morning, that the President can absolutely designate any document as, unclassified, without any documentation. She went on to say that she wished better documentation would happen; however, it didn't. She eluded that is could be on the Lawyers to keep up with the documentation.
So, if that is all true, no way can they indict and get a conviction. I think they have already played their hand and have to push forward. I also think that this will galvanize Trump supporters as well as independents and some Moderate Democrats hating what's happening to the country.
Remember, I'm saying this with an assumption that the lawyer, this morning, is indeed, true…
Take 18 U.S. Code 793 (a/k/a "The Espionage Act"), for example. That statute does not refer at all to classification levels. Rather, it uses phrases like "relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation." Information designated "TS/SCI" would necessarily meet this definition.
A potential problem for Trump is that, even if he could declassify any and all documents with out any memorialization either before, during, or after, he cannot change the essential nature of the information contained in those documents. If the information met the definitions of 18 U.S. Code 793 before he declassified the document then it still met that definition after he did so.
I'm not sure how the various explanations of how and why the documents in question were supposedly declassified paint Trump in anything like a positive light (beyond a desire to get him off the hook for violating the listed statutes). If he truly was haphazardly declassifying anything that went out the door on the way to Florida - including information classified at the most sensitive levels - without any of the normal deliberative (and documented) procedures, I'm not sure how that describes him as anything but an awful steward of our national security.
Two tiered justice system and I challenge you to prove me wrong.You challenged me to prove you wrong about Obama doing the same thing Trump is accused of doing. The National Archives already did that last week.Quote:
The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) assumed exclusive legal and physical custody of Obama Presidential records when President Barack Obama left office in 2017, in accordance with the Presidential Records Act (PRA). NARA moved approximately 30 million pages of unclassified records to a NARA facility in the Chicago area where they are maintained exclusively by NARA. Additionally, NARA maintains the classified Obama Presidential records in a NARA facility in the Washington, DC, area. As required by the PRA, former President Obama has no control over where and how NARA stores the Presidential records of his Administration.
How long did Dear Leader have in his possession those documents? And if you think NARA is not politicized then, well, there's nothing I can or will try to do to prove it to you because you won't believe it.
We can argue semantics all day long. You are blinded by your hatred for President Trump and will never see the irony in comparing how this situation was handled as opposed to how Dear Leader's situation was handled.
No reason in wasting my time. TDS is strong with you.
Obama was requested to have the records secured, he complied
Hillary Clinton was asked to have her server secured, she did not comply, she was subpoenaed, then turned over the server
Trump was requested to have the records secured, he complied, he was then asked to turn over records, he did not comply, he was subpoenaed, did not comply, then there was a search warrant executed.
So right now, there is no double standard, Currently between Trump and Clinton, who both did not comply with the request, are sitting at 1:1 in my opinion with respect to charges.
Should Obama have been charged with something? No
Should Clinton have been charged? Absolutely in my opinion
Should Trump be charged? I don't know
I appreciate your outrage about the situation but I don't think you're really applying common sense here. I implore you to understand how the process happens to get to the point where the FBI executes the search warrant. I've sent this link out before. Take the 45 mins to listen
https://podcast.thedispatch.com/p/fbi-raids-mar-a-lago-what-does-it?s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
Sarah Isgur worked in the DOJ, she knows the process. It's not this rubber stamp process. It goes through a thorough review.
Also, In my opinion I don't think Garland would risk completely ruining his reputation to sign off on this warrant. I do think he probably didn't think through the politics of this move though, which if you actually take the time to research the man, you will find that during the majority of his career his was most certainly apolitical and RESPECTED by people in both parties.
I find it interesting that you judge my character by one prank that you take personally for some reason, yet you continue to support a person in Trump and even make excuses for his actions that are beyond the pale. Yet you just brush that off as a non issue. You're ok with supporting someone who has lied, is a cheat, and a grifter of donators money, but you're ok with that because you support his "positions" (who really know what Trump believes).
I also find it interesting that you continue to mock me and others that all we want are participation trophies yet your guy is playing the I'm a martyr game. It'd be nice if we could all sit back and see what happens and then hold those who are accountable for this mess, whether it be Trump or his folks or people within the DOJ and FBI.
PS. Still waiting on your rejection of the Cincinnati FBI shooter. I guess if they have the similar beliefs that you do, it's ok to randomly attack a government entity.
Yes... it is easy to judge your character when you have been proven to be a liar and it's been proven more than once.
You know damn well I didn't donate to Warren but yet you claimed I did. What part of the prank was that? Is that the one where you know you were exposed to be who you are and just keep lying? Appears that is the case with you. A liar.
I posted I was on vacation this weekend and didn't look at the computer or turn it on until this morning.
I didn't watch the news, read a paper or look at twitter all weekend. I had my phone for messages, calls etc.. .non-work related.
So I condemn the Cincy shooter. Does that make you feel better? *** man... you obsess over me more than most of my ex-psycho girlfriends. Get a freaking life. Maybe read a book on how telling the truth is better than lying!!
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