IseWolf22 said:

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packgrad said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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Civilized said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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You always have to remember that a lot of these polls are trying to shape public opinion and not reflect public opinion. They do this by under sampling Republicans or sampling in moderate Republican districts and not in the center of the country. I can see a Trump landslide or a very close election where either one wins. No way there is a Biden landslide in my opinion in a "Fair" election. Big Tech is going to try and influence and steal the election for the left.

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If what you are saying is true regarding bad polling, you'd see a consistent partisan bias in polls.

Except, you don't.

Go back to the late 60's and look for polls consistently leaning left. You won't find them. Polling is too far left some years and too far right others.

Also, it's weird to me that in these extremely partisan times, with a president with historic unfavorable ratings, that the right keeps saying Trump won't lose "fairly".

Lots of people hate Trump man, that's not fake news. And if they turn out, Trump will lose, and could lose big.

We all need to hope he either wins or loses big. I'm already hating everything that will flow from a close election, in either direction.

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But the president doesn't have unfavorable ratings compatiavely...

According to Gallup on 9/30/2012 Obama's job approval numbers were at 48% and on 9/30/2020 Trump's job approval numbers were at 46% so i'm not sure where you are getting this historical unfavorable ratings....he is only 2% points off of where Obama was at this time in his presidentcy.

George H. W. Bush had a 33%
Jimmy Carter was down at 37%
Lyndon Johnson was at 43%
Harry Truman was at 32%

As of yesterday Trump had a 51% approval rating...if this holds true through next month he won't lose the election

Obama was at 48%
George W. Bush was at 50%

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I thought polls are BS and these numbers can't be trusted?

Trump has a very fervent base who loves him. His problem is he's alienated swing voters and energized the democratic base as much as his own.

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That's what they said last time.

Now people like me that didn't vote for him last time are voting for him this time. An

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And I personally know several 2016 Trump voters switching to Biden. And even more 2016 3rd party voters (like me) who have switched to Biden.

We will know in 3 weeks which shift has higher numbers, but right now the available data points more towards voters leaving the president.

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IseWolf22 said:

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Lol

Believe what you want but you're wrong. There are many libertarians crossing the aisle this election.

If you read Libertarian media, they've been major critics of Trump. He's bent the Republican party away from libertarian positions like free trade, fiscal responsibility, and civil liberties. A lot of us are willing to roll the dice on Biden so the GOP gets its head out of its ass

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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Lol

Believe what you want but you're wrong. There are many libertarians crossing the aisle this election.

If you read Libertarian media, they've been major critics of Trump. He's bent the Republican party away from libertarian positions like free trade, fiscal responsibility, and civil liberties. A lot of us are willing to roll the dice on Biden so the GOP gets its head out of its ass

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Be careful what you roll the dice on. With the censorship of big tech, the socialist tsunami behind Biden, you may never get to exercise your voting rights again. Choose wisely your freedom depends on it.

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Bas2020 said:

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Libertarians voting for Biden makes zero sense . Biden shares the exact opposite ideals . Your neighbor likely was never a libertarian to begin with lol

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IseWolf22 said:

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Bas2020 said:

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Libertarians voting for Biden makes zero sense . Biden shares the exact opposite ideals . Your neighbor likely was never a libertarian to begin with lol

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I don't think most of you know actual libertarians. There have always been large differences with Republicans that were ignored because at least we aligned on economic issues before Trump.

At the end of the day, many are going to vote for Jorgenson because both candidates are AWFUL. Others will split between Biden and Trump, but of that group, more journalists, libertarians I know, and those I interact with on other forums prefer Biden.

Criminal Justice Reform - suspicious of state authority, including police. End qualified immunity and no nock raids, bust police unions (these were positions years before BLM was formed)

Immigration - Support increased immigration levels and guest worked programs of both high and low skill labor. The wall is a bad use of money

War on Drugs - End it. Legalize weed. Decriminalize others drugs. The government has no business telling you what to do with your body

Free trade - Protectionism does not work. Tariffs are a tax on US citizens. Free trade has been the greatest creator of wealth in history.

Debt and Spending -
Debt is a slow burning crisis that who's bill will come due. Lower taxes are preferred, but reducing the deficit is paramount. Republicans used to be preferred here, but now it's viewed that both parties are awful

Foreign interventions - One of the things libertarian were most hopeful for a Trump on. But he's seen no meaningful change in 4 years. Not jumping into a new war is a small victory I guess

Cancel culture - aligned with GOP on sentiment, it's a bad thing. However, it's not the job of government to intervene with private interactions on privately owned tech platforms

Edit to add:
2nd Amendment - probably the main issue still in agreement with GOP

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packgrad said:

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So really it's just about immigration and free trade.

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packgrad said:

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Twitter has suspended the Trump campaign account now. Cancel culture is dangerous for democracy.

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IseWolf22 said:

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Bas2020 said:

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Libertarians voting for Biden makes zero sense . Biden shares the exact opposite ideals . Your neighbor likely was never a libertarian to begin with lol

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I don't think most of you know actual libertarians. There have always been large differences with Republicans that were ignored because at least we aligned on economic issues before Trump.

At the end of the day, many are going to vote for Jorgenson because both candidates are AWFUL. Others will split between Biden and Trump, but of that group, more journalists, libertarians I know, and those I interact with on other forums prefer Biden.

Criminal Justice Reform - suspicious of state authority, including police. End qualified immunity and no nock raids, bust police unions (these were positions years before BLM was formed)

Immigration - Support increased immigration levels and guest worked programs of both high and low skill labor. The wall is a bad use of money

War on Drugs - End it. Legalize weed. Decriminalize others drugs. The government has no business telling you what to do with your body

Free trade - Protectionism does not work. Tariffs are a tax on US citizens. Free trade has been the greatest creator of wealth in history.

Debt and Spending -
Debt is a slow burning crisis that who's bill will come due. Lower taxes are preferred, but reducing the deficit is paramount. Republicans used to be preferred here, but now it's viewed that both parties are awful

Foreign interventions - One of the things libertarian were most hopeful for a Trump on. But he's seen no meaningful change in 4 years. Not jumping into a new war is a small victory I guess

Cancel culture - aligned with GOP on sentiment, it's a bad thing. However, it's not the job of government to intervene with private interactions on privately owned tech platforms

Edit to add:
2nd Amendment - probably the main issue still in agreement with GOP

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