PackBacker07 said:

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Twitter is committed to stopping misinformation. Especially an obvious Rudy Guliani attempt to throw chaos into an election less than a month out. If you don't like it, leave twitter.

Can't deny the above, so deflect to BuT BiDeN!1! It's so easy.

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Lol. Russia!!!!Liberals are such sheep.

Love the "if you don't like it leave Twitter" argument. Lol. Such a little girl argument.

DrummerboyWolf said:

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packgrad said:

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I watched the last 15 minutes of Trump's and some clips from earlier. Didn't hear any of Biden's. Savannah was quite a bit confrontational.

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She was confrontational from the start. It was a set up but Trump did not dodge.

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Lol

PackBacker07 said:

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Twitter is committed to stopping misinformation. Especially an obvious Rudy Guliani attempt to throw chaos into an election less than a month out. If you don't like it, leave twitter.

Can't deny the above, so deflect to BuT BiDeN!1! It's so easy.

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Nope....you don't get to play that after the willingness of Twitter and Facebook to allow things that hurt Trump to run freely for the last three years.

This includes stories on his taxes that were illegally leaked, the Atlantic story a month or so ago that was disproven, anything that Adam Schiff said about having proof that Trump and his family broke the law, the dossier that was proven unverified, the russia collusion hoax that we have found out came from the Clinton campaign. All of these were allowed to run for years with no proof, and no one had any complaints about it.

The only thing that Twitter and really any of the social media companies are committed to doing what they can to influence the election in a way that benefits their beliefs....

Since these companies have moved into actually editing the stories that are on their platforms and pushing an agenda its time for them to lose their section 230 protections and be treated as such

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cowboypack02 said:

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PackBacker07 said:

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Twitter is committed to stopping misinformation. Especially an obvious Rudy Guliani attempt to throw chaos into an election less than a month out. If you don't like it, leave twitter.

Can't deny the above, so deflect to BuT BiDeN!1! It's so easy.

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Nope....you don't get to play that after the willingness of Twitter and Facebook to allow things that hurt Trump to run freely for the last three years.

This includes stories on his taxes that were illegally leaked, the Atlantic story a month or so ago that was disproven, anything that Adam Schiff said about having proof that Trump and his family broke the law, the dossier that was proven unverified, the russia collusion hoax that we have found out came from the Clinton campaign. All of these were allowed to run for years with no proof, and no one had any complaints about it.

The only thing that Twitter and really any of the social media companies are committed to doing what they can to influence the election in a way that benefits their beliefs....

Since these companies have moved into actually editing the stories that are on their platforms and pushing an agenda its time for them to lose their section 230 protections and be treated as such

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Agreed. They have forfeited that.

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I'm so ready for the next Republican president so that Democrats will either have to admit that Big Tech/the MSM is just in the bag for liberals no matter the merits of the candidate, or Republicans will have to acknowledge that Big Tech/the MSM treated Trump differently with justification because Trump is a free press-attacking, authoritarian, norm-breaking asshat.

I need one of those two things to happen, though; I'm so tired of Republicans acting like Trump is some normal guy in office that the MSM is out to skewer just because he's a Republican, and of Democrats seizing on every little thing he does wrong because they hate the guy.

So Pubs, please do us all a favor find a legitimate politician to represent your party next time around and not a trashy impulsive child masquerading as a successful businessman and subversive politician. Let's see if Nicki Haley gets treated this way, for instance.

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He is 100% a legitimate politician. Because you don't like him does not make him illegitimate. I would love to see what you consider a "successful businessman" is if you do not consider Trump to be a successful businessman. Hell, throughout the world, he was considered one until he ran for President as a Republican.

Why you need to kick the can down the road to see if Big Tech/MSM is in the bag for liberals is very head in the sand. Just go to ANY MSM website and look at the coverage of the 2 different town halls and tell me how they are covered. Hell, watch Trump's town hall and compare to Biden's town hall and tell me they are not in the bag. Look at the protests from NBC talent because Trump was even given a town hall.

Not liking the president is not an acceptable excuse for Big Tech and MSM's behavior.

Speaking of polls ...


New Emerson poll in NC

Trump / Biden tied
Tillis/ Cheatin Cal. tied
Roy Cooper/Dan Forest - Cooper only up 3

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Speaking of polls ...


New Emerson poll in NC

Trump / Biden tied
Tillis/ Cheatin Cal. tied
Roy Cooper/Dan Forest - Cooper only up 3

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But Roy is supposed to be up double digits. Trump is going to have some long coattails and I hope Forest and Tillis can ride them to victory.

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Highlights from the town hall last night with this witch from CNBC being confrontational to Trump:



It appears the only arguments from the Left are "muh covid hoax" and "muh white supremacy".

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That clip doesn't even do it justice. She was inappropriately confrontational as a "moderator" and challenged every point he tried to make with every ounce of ridiculous liberal campaign rhetorical bs used to date.

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packgrad said:

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He is 100% a legitimate politician. Because you don't like him does not make him illegitimate. I would love to see what you consider a "successful businessman" is if you do not consider Trump to be a successful businessman. Hell, throughout the world, he was considered one until he ran for President as a Republican.

Why you need to kick the can down the road to see if Big Tech/MSM is in the bag for liberals is very head in the sand. Just go to ANY MSM website and look at the coverage of the 2 different town halls and tell me how they are covered. Hell, watch Trump's town hall and compare to Biden's town hall and tell me they are not in the bag. Look at the protests from NBC talent because Trump was even given a town hall.

Not liking the president is not an acceptable excuse for Big Tech and MSM's behavior.

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In what ways does Trump exhibit effective political leadership?

Calm and effective leadership through crisis?
A relationship-fosterer, sometimes across the aisle?
Is he policy-driven?
Can he understand the nuance of complex subjects?
Is he a consensus-builder?
Does he inspire loyalty amongst staff?
Does he work effectively with others that don't agree with him or kiss his ass?
Is he engaging? Affable? A good listener? Emotionally inspiring?
Is he patient enough to effectuate sometimes controversial long-term goals?
Does he view people that don't agree with him as a challenge to be worked around/through, or as the enemy?

I consider a successful businessman someone who hasn't had six entities declare bankruptcy from getting way over-leveraged, for starters. Then you have fraudulent Trump University, Trump Airlines, Trump Vodka or whatever that was, etc. By the mid-90's he'd claimed over $1 billion dollars in losses on tax returns, and we all now know about his recent returns.

The man is a self-promoting shyster. He's only been considered a successful businessman because he's a very successful self-promoter. He makes development fees on the vig and his investors and financiers take a bath (and he often does too, as judged by his taxable losses).

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None of that has anything to do with being a legitimate politician. Most of it are based on your feelings of him. You don't have answers to most of those questions as well, other than propaganda.

You consider a businessman who has declared bankruptcy (restructuring) on 6 businesses unsuccessful when he's owned hundreds of businesses? Lol. You're just in your feelings this morning.

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packgrad said:

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Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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He is 100% a legitimate politician. Because you don't like him does not make him illegitimate. I would love to see what you consider a "successful businessman" is if you do not consider Trump to be a successful businessman. Hell, throughout the world, he was considered one until he ran for President as a Republican.

Why you need to kick the can down the road to see if Big Tech/MSM is in the bag for liberals is very head in the sand. Just go to ANY MSM website and look at the coverage of the 2 different town halls and tell me how they are covered. Hell, watch Trump's town hall and compare to Biden's town hall and tell me they are not in the bag. Look at the protests from NBC talent because Trump was even given a town hall.

Not liking the president is not an acceptable excuse for Big Tech and MSM's behavior.

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In what ways does Trump exhibit effective political leadership?

Calm and effective leadership through crisis?
A relationship-fosterer, sometimes across the aisle?
Is he policy-driven?
Can he understand the nuance of complex subjects?
Is he a consensus-builder?
Does he inspire loyalty amongst staff?
Does he work effectively with others that don't agree with him or kiss his ass?
Is he engaging? Affable? A good listener? Emotionally inspiring?
Is he patient enough to effectuate sometimes controversial long-term goals?
Does he view people that don't agree with him as a challenge to be worked around/through, or as the enemy?

I consider a successful businessman someone who hasn't had six entities declare bankruptcy from getting way over-leveraged, for starters. Then you have fraudulent Trump University, Trump Airlines, Trump Vodka or whatever that was, etc. By the mid-90's he'd claimed over $1 billion dollars in losses on tax returns, and we all now know about his recent returns.

The man is a self-promoting shyster. He's only been considered a successful businessman because he's a very successful self-promoter. He makes development fees on the vig and his investors and financiers take a bath (and he often does too, as judged by his taxable losses).

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None of that has anything to do with being a legitimate politician. Most of it are based on your feelings of him. You don't have answers to most of those questions as well, other than propaganda.

You consider a businessman who has declared bankruptcy (restructuring) on 6 businesses unsuccessful when he's owned hundreds of businesses? Lol. You're just in your feelings this morning.

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What qualifies as legitimate national politician then? If you don't need to have any of those traits or skills, what skills are you bringing to bear on your job? As we've seen the last four years, that answer is largely watching the news and being a Tweeter-in-chief.

For the record, Republican politicians possess these qualities in roughly equal amounts to Dem politicians. McConnell, Graham, Kasich, Paul, on and on. They're all pros and acquit themselves and a manner suitable to the office.

Trump's maybe had hundreds of partnership entities. He hasn't had hundreds of operating businesses/properties. He's had a small handful of casinos he actually developed and operated. Much of the stuff he splashes his name on is just him licensing his name (which furthers the inaccurate perception about how prolific and successful his businesses are).

The Taj Mahal a couple of Atlantic City casinos whose names I don't remember, the Plaza in NY, and parent company Trump Resorts declared (twice I think).

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Who says he doesn't have any of those traits or skills? You are truly blinded by your feelings for him to say he doesn't. Calm and effective, yes. A relationship fosterer, yes amongst those not triggered by his name. Which of his platforms that he campaigned on are you disappointed that he has not followed through on? Does he inspire consensus? Yes, amongst those not triggered by his name. Can he understand complex subjects? I've seen nothing to say he can't. Can he communicate them back to us. Not very well. Does he inspire loyalty amongst his staff? Yes (Grenell, McEnany, Conway). Does he work well with others that disagree with him or kiss his ass? Based on his many company mergers, acquisitions, and Middle East peace treaties, I'd say yes. Is he engaging, affable, emotionally inspiring? Pretty clearly yes. Have you not seen his rallies? Does he view people that don't agree with him as a challenge to be worked around/through, or as the enemy? Pretty clearly, a challenge. He has had discussions with freaking N Korea forchristssake.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't consider a billionaire a successful businessman. Based on all of your questions and obvious opinions based on those questions, I'm sure you don't. Hundreds of businesses. Billionaire. But he's unsuccessful. Lol. Facts be damned.

Unfortunately because you dislike him, you think its just a conspiracy that MSM and big tech are in the bag for liberals. Again, facts be damned.