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IseWolf22 said:

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So, let's say hypothetically that the results in a month match polls extremely closely.

Are you all going to accept that this wasn't really close and Trump legitimately lost?

I'm prepared to eat crow if Trump manages to win. I don't see it at all right now. But hey I've been wrong about many things in my life.

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I expect the right to accept the results much better than the left has non stop for the last 4 years. I don't think you have that to worry about.

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I don't know if that is going to happen or not. There could be Civil war if the election is deemed fake by either side. You are right the Democrats have not accepted the 2016 results as of today. With all the election shenanigans going on with illegal mail in voting. I am not talking true absentee voting, but the rules that are being changed illegally by mainly Democrat Governors. If it's not a landslide then there is probably going to be trouble. That is why so many Americans are taking advantage of their 2nd Amendment rights while they still can. A good friend of mine has never owned a firearm. He now has a concealed carry permit and is waiting on his hand gun. He already has bought a rifle.

I believe in the American people that they will do the right thing, but we shall see.

IseWolf22 said:

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So, let's say hypothetically that the results in a month match polls extremely closely.

Are you all going to accept that this wasn't really close and Trump legitimately lost?

I'm prepared to eat crow if Trump manages to win. I don't see it at all right now. But hey I've been wrong about many things in my life.

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If Biden wins in a landslide then yeah I'll accept it. Certainly won't like it. But I'll eat crow. I stand by my predictions and I think the polls are pushing some narrative this cycle... whatever their intentions they are wayyyyy off.

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IseWolf22 said:

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So, let's say hypothetically that the results in a month match polls extremely closely.

Are you all going to accept that this wasn't really close and Trump legitimately lost?

I'm prepared to eat crow if Trump manages to win. I don't see it at all right now. But hey I've been wrong about many things in my life.

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If Biden wins in a landslide then yeah I'll accept it. Certainly won't like it. But I'll eat crow. I stand by my predictions and I think the polls are pushing some narrative this cycle... whatever their intentions they are wayyyyy off.

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Polls are literally right where they were 4 years ago.


There is still a month left..... there will be 2-3 more things to happen that will affect things. 3-4 more debates... Biden could fall on his face or do any number of weird things between now and then...

The one thing I find weird is the media knows this all comes down to AZ, PA, NC, FL and the Rust Belt and yet they rarely talk about it and instead focus on "national polls".... without even mentioning that the same polls were wrong last cycle.

National polls are useless unless your only goal is to do away with the EC... which i m thinking is there play here.

Yes. Something is seriously wrong here with polling. It's like there's a coordinated effort for political theater or something. Feels like a voter suppression tactic to me. I've never seen anything like it. Trying to convince people Biden is up big in all swing states and up nationally by 14-16 pts. There's just no way this is honest polling. I feel good about my projection but seriously hope people do not give up that might vote republican based on this. Polling doesn't decide anything. The ballots on election night and after will.

Guys think about it.... is Joe Biden really going to whoop it nationally by twice as much as Bill Clinton or Barack Obama 2008? Think back to what was going on on the ground back then versus now. Look at enthusiasm. Why was Biden planning to stay in his home and then switched strategy in late August? Because he was up 8 or 9 in the polls then? Why did he switch up recently and start doing a ground game this late? Because he's way up? Why is he in the rust belt and not in Texas, or hell even Missouri or Kansas b/c if you were up by 15 pretty red states are in play at that point. Why did he get Bloomberg to try to buy votes in Florida? Why is Michelle Obama taking 25 minutes to lecture Americans on voting for Biden or their racists? These are not the signs of a campaign winning big.

I don't think the Biden campaign is doing itself any favors with the Michelle 0 infomercials/tantrums.

The difference between Biden and Clinton/Obama isn't that he's a better candidate. He's not. But general opinions of their opponents, HW and McCain, were far higher than they are for Trump now.
If Biden wins big, it won't be because he's an exciting leader. It will be a repudiation of the current administration.

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Yes. Something is seriously wrong here with polling. It's like there's a coordinated effort for political theater or something. Feels like a voter suppression tactic to me. I've never seen anything like it. Trying to convince people Biden is up big in all swing states and up nationally by 14-16 pts. There's just no way this is honest polling. I feel good about my projection but seriously hope people do not give up that might vote republican based on this. Polling doesn't decide anything. The ballots on election night and after will.

Guys think about it.... is Joe Biden really going to whoop it nationally by twice as much as Bill Clinton or Barack Obama 2008? Think back to what was going on on the ground back then versus now. Look at enthusiasm. Why was Biden planning to stay in his home and then switched strategy in late August? Because he was up 8 or 9 in the polls then? Why did he switch up recently and start doing a ground game this late? Because he's way up? Why is he in the rust belt and not in Texas, or hell even Missouri or Kansas b/c if you were up by 15 pretty red states are in play at that point. Why did he get Bloomberg to try to buy votes in Florida? Why is Michelle Obama taking 25 minutes to lecture Americans on voting for Biden or their racists? These are not the signs of a campaign winning big.

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The fake polls are there trying to deflate Trump voters. Make then think their vote doesn't count. If Joe had this thing wrapped up, they wouldn't be holding rallies(if you can call 100 people or less a rally) in PA, Michigan, Florida, Wisconsin and so on. There is no Joementum. It is a voter suppression tactic by the media and the left.

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States it earlier but will say it again. In 2016, I felt Trump could win simply because Clinton couldn't get above 43-44% nationally. Things are different now. Biden is consistently at 47-50% nationally. I believe Biden will win and I think we are screwed if he does. Not because I don't think Biden is a terrible person but because he won't be the president, Harris will be and she's a damn joke. Then again, Trump ain't much better so regardless, we are probably screwed.

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National polls mean nothing. It's 50 different elections. You have to get to 270. Yes the Democrats have a big head start with California, New York, New Jersey and Illinois, but those are not enough to get them over the hump.

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ncsualum05 said:

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Yes. Something is seriously wrong here with polling. It's like there's a coordinated effort for political theater or something. Feels like a voter suppression tactic to me. I've never seen anything like it. Trying to convince people Biden is up big in all swing states and up nationally by 14-16 pts. There's just no way this is honest polling. I feel good about my projection but seriously hope people do not give up that might vote republican based on this. Polling doesn't decide anything. The ballots on election night and after will.

Guys think about it.... is Joe Biden really going to whoop it nationally by twice as much as Bill Clinton or Barack Obama 2008? Think back to what was going on on the ground back then versus now. Look at enthusiasm. Why was Biden planning to stay in his home and then switched strategy in late August? Because he was up 8 or 9 in the polls then? Why did he switch up recently and start doing a ground game this late? Because he's way up? Why is he in the rust belt and not in Texas, or hell even Missouri or Kansas b/c if you were up by 15 pretty red states are in play at that point. Why did he get Bloomberg to try to buy votes in Florida? Why is Michelle Obama taking 25 minutes to lecture Americans on voting for Biden or their racists? These are not the signs of a campaign winning big.

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The fake polls are there trying to deflate Trump voters. Make then think their vote doesn't count. If Joe had this thing wrapped up, they wouldn't be holding rallies(if you can call 100 people or less a rally) in PA, Michigan, Florida, Wisconsin and so on. There is no Joementum. It is a voter suppression tactic by the media and the left.

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Exactly.

If Biden was that far ahead then his campaign would be holding rallies in places like GA, NE, and TX...he's not.

IseWolf22 said:

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The difference between Biden and Clinton/Obama isn't that he's a better candidate. He's not. But general opinions of their opponents, HW and McCain, were far higher than they are for Trump now.
If Biden wins big, it won't be because he's an exciting leader. It will be a repudiation of the current administration.

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What if Trump wins big? A repudiation of the Democrat party and corrupt media?

"The Trump campaign is leaving a ticket for Tupac Shakur at tonight's VP debate because Kamala Harris called him her favorite rapper alive"

Personally, I think Biden wins in a landslide. If he doesn't win, can you imagine the riots?

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Personally, I think Biden wins in a landslide. If he doesn't win, can you imagine the riots?

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If the vote were held today, I would agree with this. But if 2020 has taught me anything, its a long way to go until election day. A lot can (and probably will) change in a month.

IseWolf22 said:

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So, let's say hypothetically that the results in a month match polls extremely closely.

Are you all going to accept that this wasn't really close and Trump legitimately lost?

I'm prepared to eat crow if Trump manages to win. I don't see it at all right now. But hey I've been wrong about many things in my life.

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My question is why either party would ever accept the results of future elections if Biden wins. The playbook has been established.

Refuse to accept the winner as legitimate. Massive march on D.C. to protest the newly elected president. Encourage people to get in the face of cabinet members and harass them wherever you see them on the streets. Protest at the homes of senators and congressmen of the same party as the new president as important votes loom. Nationwide mostly peaceful protest that include arson, looting and violence.

While you won't always have the full force of the FBI and the CIA to help undermine the current administration perhaps you will have a few dissenters within the government to leak classified information and basically do anything possible to take an axe to the shins of the new president and his administration.

In other words, to quote the criminally corrupt former FBI attorney Kevin Clinesmith, "Viva la resistance"

Great post.

IseWolf22 said:

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The difference between Biden and Clinton/Obama isn't that he's a better candidate. He's not. But general opinions of their opponents, HW and McCain, were far higher than they are for Trump now.
If Biden wins big, it won't be because he's an exciting leader. It will be a repudiation of the current administration.

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Completely agree.

packgrad said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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The difference between Biden and Clinton/Obama isn't that he's a better candidate. He's not. But general opinions of their opponents, HW and McCain, were far higher than they are for Trump now.
If Biden wins big, it won't be because he's an exciting leader. It will be a repudiation of the current administration.

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What if Trump wins big? A repudiation of the Democrat party and corrupt media?

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Completely agree.

bigeric said:

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packgrad said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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The difference between Biden and Clinton/Obama isn't that he's a better candidate. He's not. But general opinions of their opponents, HW and McCain, were far higher than they are for Trump now.
If Biden wins big, it won't be because he's an exciting leader. It will be a repudiation of the current administration.

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What if Trump wins big? A repudiation of the Democrat party and corrupt media?

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Completely agree.

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Lol

packgrad said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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The difference between Biden and Clinton/Obama isn't that he's a better candidate. He's not. But general opinions of their opponents, HW and McCain, were far higher than they are for Trump now.
If Biden wins big, it won't be because he's an exciting leader. It will be a repudiation of the current administration.

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What if Trump wins big? A repudiation of the Democrat party and corrupt media?

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And a repudiation of Socialism and Marxism. That is basically what we have. If Biden wins, then the USA as we know it, is gone. Vote like your nation and your Republic are on the line because they are.

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Personally, I think Biden wins in a landslide. If he doesn't win, can you imagine the riots?

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Well, we do know the left doesn't take losing very well.

packgrad said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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The difference between Biden and Clinton/Obama isn't that he's a better candidate. He's not. But general opinions of their opponents, HW and McCain, were far higher than they are for Trump now.
If Biden wins big, it won't be because he's an exciting leader. It will be a repudiation of the current administration.

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What if Trump wins big? A repudiation of the Democrat party and corrupt media?

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Yep. Would be a big statement of anger against the media, "woke culture" and the leftward tilt of Democrats.

Now I don't think that's going to happen. If he wins, I think it'll be with razor thin margins on battleground states. But again, maybe Im completely wrong here. We'll know in month

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IseWolf22 said:

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packgrad said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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The difference between Biden and Clinton/Obama isn't that he's a better candidate. He's not. But general opinions of their opponents, HW and McCain, were far higher than they are for Trump now.
If Biden wins big, it won't be because he's an exciting leader. It will be a repudiation of the current administration.

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What if Trump wins big? A repudiation of the Democrat party and corrupt media?

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Yep. Would be a big statement of anger against the media, "woke culture" and the leftward tilt of Democrats.

Now I don't think that's going to happen. If he wins, I think it'll be with razor thin margins on battleground states. But again, maybe Im completely wrong here. We'll know in month

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My vote is 90% against the media , cancel culture, woke-ism , riots in the streets , socialism etc.

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This is why Trump can win. I feel confident he probably will. It's not b/c Trump himself is a great guy. Most people are put off by him especially on the debate stage like he was. I personally am a Trump supporter but there's a good portion of votes for him that will come b/c policy aside American do not line up with the culture the left is pushing. Majority of regular people do not like seeing guys going down the streets threatening people that don't put their first up and repeat their slogans, or come to their restaurant and take their food and threaten to beat them up. People aren't watching pro sports like they used to for largely aligning with this culture. Most decent people don't believe we are a systemically racist society like the left claims especially when these incidents that get blown up often involve black police who work for a black police chief who works with a black democratic mayor. Most decent people condemn racism. Most decent people detest "wokeness" and "1619 project". Most people don't want to see supreme court change to become another legislative arm and destroy our 3 co equal branches. And a lot of people do not want to continue to lock down in response to this virus nor do they want any part of the green new deal or new taxes.

If we have any Constitutional scholars on here, will one kindly point me to the relevant part that
1. conveys a right to not have your feelings hurt, and/or
2. requires likeability to be part of the President's job description.

packgrad said:

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Bas2020 said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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packgrad said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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The difference between Biden and Clinton/Obama isn't that he's a better candidate. He's not. But general opinions of their opponents, HW and McCain, were far higher than they are for Trump now.
If Biden wins big, it won't be because he's an exciting leader. It will be a repudiation of the current administration.

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What if Trump wins big? A repudiation of the Democrat party and corrupt media?

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Yep. Would be a big statement of anger against the media, "woke culture" and the leftward tilt of Democrats.

Now I don't think that's going to happen. If he wins, I think it'll be with razor thin margins on battleground states. But again, maybe Im completely wrong here. We'll know in month

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My vote is 90% against the media , cancel culture, woke-ism , riots in the streets , socialism etc.

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Ditto.

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LMFAO

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If we have any Constitutional scholars on here, will one kindly point me to the relevant part that
1. conveys a right to not have your feelings hurt, and/or
2. requires likeability to be part of the President's job description.

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That is the new 28th amendment that the Democrats will illegally pass if they get into power. It's all part of their "Utopian Plan!

packgrad said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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The difference between Biden and Clinton/Obama isn't that he's a better candidate. He's not. But general opinions of their opponents, HW and McCain, were far higher than they are for Trump now.
If Biden wins big, it won't be because he's an exciting leader. It will be a repudiation of the current administration.

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What if Trump wins big? A repudiation of the Democrat party and corrupt media?

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Yes. Absolutely. 100%.

That's what 2016 was, a big FU to coastal elites, the Democratic party, and the MSM that lived in an echo chamber and didn't pay enough attention to middle America.

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Polls are literally right where they were 4 years ago.

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No they're not.

Biden has a bigger lead, a bigger share of the popular vote, there are far fewer undecideds, and the undecideds that are out there are leaning more blue than they were in 2016.

The shy/hidden Trump voter effect ain't happening in 2020.

It likely comes down to Florida and PA and Wisconsin. If Trump can carry two of the three, he'll likely win. He's not currently favored to win any of the three.

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Bas2020 said:

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Polls are literally right where they were 4 years ago.

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No they're not.

Biden has a bigger lead, a bigger share of the popular vote, there are far fewer undecideds, and the undecideds that are out there are leaning more blue than they were in 2016.

The shy/hidden Trump voter effect ain't happening in 2020.

It likely comes down to Florida and PA and Wisconsin. If Trump can carry two of the three, he'll likely win. He's not currently favored to win any of the three.

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You are under estimating the 'shy or hidden' voter in this country .


People look at their tv or at their downtowns and see riots & violence . Those same people will feel safe in the voting booth voting against the madness but they don't feel safe telling a pollster , or even their neighbor because of fear of violence or retribution . Heck - I heard on 106.1 in the morning show of caller after caller having signs stolen or crazy messages received for putting up a Trump or Tillis , Forest sign .

I know dozens of people that no longer post publically (Facebook) etc because they are afraid of leftist going after their place of work .


People are scared of the loons , but they won't be scared to vote ... they will be motivated ... and the numbers will shock people . The registration numbers prove this theory but they are being ignored .

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Bas2020 said:

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Polls are literally right where they were 4 years ago.

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No they're not.

Biden has a bigger lead, a bigger share of the popular vote, there are far fewer undecideds, and the undecideds that are out there are leaning more blue than they were in 2016.

The shy/hidden Trump voter effect ain't happening in 2020.

It likely comes down to Florida and PA and Wisconsin. If Trump can carry two of the three, he'll likely win. He's not currently favored to win any of the three.

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If you believe the polls, I have some swamp land in southern Florida to sell you.

We'll see.

This thread will be awesome to revisit on November 4. Way more fun than scrolling back through game threads.