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Isn't that accurate though, that the 2nd amendment is not absolute? Aren't there classes of guns or specific guns that aren't legal? If the 2nd Amendment was absolute, wouldn't that be unconstitutional?

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well the guys who wrote the second amendment didn't allow people who had foreign govt connections and slaves to have guns, so it's not absolute

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HA

It seems surprising that 2nd Amendment advocates are OK with the limitations that are in place currently for what firearms they can have, but think there can't be any further limitations.

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I've said that I'm for putting in place certain red flag limitations for people with mental issues and those that have committed crimes. I've also said that gun bans and laws like we've seen in Chicago and New York have proven not to work. What are your thoughts on how to fix things?

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Steve Videtich said:

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2nd amendment is not absolute, but Roe vs Wade is, according to this idiot. 40something years in government and he doesn't know the difference?

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Isn't that accurate though, that the 2nd amendment is not absolute? Aren't there classes of guns or specific guns that aren't legal? If the 2nd Amendment was absolute, wouldn't that be unconstitutional?

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well the guys who wrote the second amendment didn't allow people who had foreign govt connections and slaves to have guns, so it's not absolute

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We don't have chattel slaves any more. So your point is irrelevant. We are all citizens now. Do citizens have Second Amendment rights?

The founders intended that all citizens had the right to own and carry firearms. THAT is absolute...that CITIZENS have the absolute right to own and carry firearms.

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that amendment doesn't specifically address citizenry while other parts of the Constitution does. They used "the People" and not citizens. Does someone who is legally in the US but not a citizen not allowed to own a fire arm?

Yall see the police stand still for an hour during a huge shootout and want to come take my gun? Hilarious…

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Steve Videtich said:

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2nd amendment is not absolute, but Roe vs Wade is, according to this idiot. 40something years in government and he doesn't know the difference?

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Isn't that accurate though, that the 2nd amendment is not absolute? Aren't there classes of guns or specific guns that aren't legal? If the 2nd Amendment was absolute, wouldn't that be unconstitutional?

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well the guys who wrote the second amendment didn't allow people who had foreign govt connections and slaves to have guns, so it's not absolute

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We don't have chattel slaves any more. So your point is irrelevant. We are all citizens now. Do citizens have Second Amendment rights?

The founders intended that all citizens had the right to own and carry firearms. THAT is absolute...that CITIZENS have the absolute right to own and carry firearms.

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that amendment doesn't specifically address citizenry while other parts of the Constitution does. They used "the People" and not citizens. Does someone who is legally in the US but not a citizen not allowed to own a fire arm?

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The amendments were put in place to get the ratification, of the constitution, over the goal line. So, the language, in the amendment, is based on the main body, as well.

That said, your questions are good and should be clarified.

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Steve Videtich said:

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Isn't that accurate though, that the 2nd amendment is not absolute? Aren't there classes of guns or specific guns that aren't legal? If the 2nd Amendment was absolute, wouldn't that be unconstitutional?

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well the guys who wrote the second amendment didn't allow people who had foreign govt connections and slaves to have guns, so it's not absolute

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It seems surprising that 2nd Amendment advocates are OK with the limitations that are in place currently for what firearms they can have, but think there can't be any further limitations.

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Are you not a 2nd Amendment advocate? Which other amendments are you opposed to?

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statefan91 said:

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Isn't that accurate though, that the 2nd amendment is not absolute? Aren't there classes of guns or specific guns that aren't legal? If the 2nd Amendment was absolute, wouldn't that be unconstitutional?

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well the guys who wrote the second amendment didn't allow people who had foreign govt connections and slaves to have guns, so it's not absolute

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HA

It seems surprising that 2nd Amendment advocates are OK with the limitations that are in place currently for what firearms they can have, but think there can't be any further limitations.

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Are you not a 2nd Amendment advocate? Which other amendments are you opposed to?

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We wouldn't have the federal government we have if not for the 2nd amendment. No way would the constitution be ratified without it!

I don't think many true constitutionalist are ok with the restrictions we have on any of the amendments, including the 2nd!

For all of those "concerned" with the shootings why don't you discuss the fact that handguns are ILLEGAL in Chicago?

Why is it never addressed or discussed. This was just one weekend. Not one of you lefties have ever started a thread about how left run cities are basically third world country warzones. Wonder why that is?

Please shed some light on why you ignore Chicago, Baltimore, D.C., St. Louis, L.A. and Detroit? Why do those shootings and killings not matter enough to discuss?

We know...........

40 people shot.

FORTY.

In a city where handguns are illegal.

It’s not about guns.

Or the law-abiding. https://t.co/Dy7eFeXd0M

— Sebastian Gorka DrG (@SebGorka) May 30, 2022

Figured as much..... when this plays out it will be at the hands of lefty police officers who shouldn't be in the positions they are in if they don't support enforcing the laws, following proto-call all in the name of political correctness.

Way to go lefties.. way to go.

So it was Beto donor Police Chief Arrendondo who ordered the Uvalde stand down….

— Southeerner (@whatgives1313) May 29, 2022

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For all of those "concerned" with the shootings why don't you discuss the fact that handguns are ILLEGAL in Chicago?

Why is it never addressed or discussed. This was just one weekend. Not one of you lefties have ever started a thread about how left run cities are basically third world country warzones. Wonder why that is?

Please shed some light on why you ignore Chicago, Baltimore, D.C., St. Louis, L.A. and Detroit? Why do those shootings and killings not matter enough to discuss?

We know...........

40 people shot.

FORTY.

In a city where handguns are illegal.

It’s not about guns.

Or the law-abiding. https://t.co/Dy7eFeXd0M

— Sebastian Gorka DrG (@SebGorka) May 30, 2022

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Surely these 52 people were all shot with the evil black AR-15 "assault rifles", right?

Or 9mm ammo that "blew the lungs right out of the body", as the kid sniffer says? If we just banned 9mm ammunition, problem solved right?

Never mind....these 52 people shot didn't even happen. Send it down the memory hole. We don't want to acknowledge that commie Democrat-run areas with total gun bans have the highest crime and murder rates. People might question whether gun control and gun bans actually work.

All AR-15's used by white Christian males who hate POC, babies, puppies and "freedom."

The left is a damn joke and their blind following sheep are proving to be as well.

9MM are on the chopping block!

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For all of those "concerned" with the shootings why don't you discuss the fact that handguns are ILLEGAL in Chicago?

Why is it never addressed or discussed. This was just one weekend. Not one of you lefties have ever started a thread about how left run cities are basically third world country warzones. Wonder why that is?

Please shed some light on why you ignore Chicago, Baltimore, D.C., St. Louis, L.A. and Detroit? Why do those shootings and killings not matter enough to discuss?

We know...........

40 people shot.

FORTY.

In a city where handguns are illegal.

It’s not about guns.

Or the law-abiding. https://t.co/Dy7eFeXd0M

— Sebastian Gorka DrG (@SebGorka) May 30, 2022

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two thoughts ---
first, I've said on here many times taht it has been proven over and over that no one cares about inner city poverty / killings. Maybe briefly leading up to elections, but other than that, no one cares.
Your stats above aren't new or unique, they occur in certain cities all the time and have been for years, most of them are drug/gang/poverty related, and no one really sheds a tear.

second, now report your findings on numbers comparing how many mass shootings occurred in Canada, UK, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Japan, S Korea, Australia, India, and China over the month of May as compared to the US.

Look, we can all disagree on what should be done to address the problems, but one thing i think is clear. It may not be "the guns", but its also not just "the people" that are the problem. It's a mixture. And if the focus is on just one, nothing constructive will happen, an we'll continue to have these issues.

Steve Videtich said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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"no one is coming for your guns"

"no one is coming for your ammunition"

NEW - Biden on 9mm ammo: "2nd Amendment was never absolute."pic.twitter.com/D9nDjmXKD1

— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) May 30, 2022

Watch this ****. This demented kid sniffer commie POS literally says "a 9mm bullet blows the lung out of the body" (word for word quote).

"Shall not be infringed" sounds pretty "absolute" to me, Beijing Joe.

This idiot doesn't know anything about guns or ammunition or the 2nd Amendment.

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2nd amendment is not absolute, but Roe vs Wade is, according to this idiot. 40something years in government and he doesn't know the difference?

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At least North Carolina has a Lieutenant Governor who remembers that the second amendment is part of something called a "Bill of Rights." (Emphasis mine)

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BBW12OG said:

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For all of those "concerned" with the shootings why don't you discuss the fact that handguns are ILLEGAL in Chicago?

Why is it never addressed or discussed. This was just one weekend. Not one of you lefties have ever started a thread about how left run cities are basically third world country warzones. Wonder why that is?

Please shed some light on why you ignore Chicago, Baltimore, D.C., St. Louis, L.A. and Detroit? Why do those shootings and killings not matter enough to discuss?

We know...........

40 people shot.

FORTY.

In a city where handguns are illegal.

It’s not about guns.

Or the law-abiding. https://t.co/Dy7eFeXd0M

— Sebastian Gorka DrG (@SebGorka) May 30, 2022

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two thoughts ---
first, I've said on here many times taht it has been proven over and over that no one cares about inner city poverty / killings. Maybe briefly leading up to elections, but other than that, no one cares.
Your stats above aren't new or unique, they occur in certain cities all the time and have been for years, most of them are drug/gang/poverty related, and no one really sheds a tear.

second, now report your findings on numbers comparing how many mass shootings occurred in Canada, UK, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Japan, S Korea, Australia, India, and China over the month of May as compared to the US.

Look, we can all disagree on what should be done to address the problems, but one thing i think is clear. It may not be "the guns", but its also not just "the people" that are the problem. It's a mixture. And if the focus is on just one, nothing constructive will happen, an we'll continue to have these issues.

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Now show me the stats on who/which demographic is responsible for a majority of "mass shootings" in the United States.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43

https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2

Maybe it's not a gun problem. Maybe it's a cultural problem where 17% of the population is involved with over 75% of ALL VIOLENT CRIMES.

You don't see that as an issue then there is no helping you. Also why don't you do some homework and give me the demographic breakdowns on the populations of the countries you listed and questioned me about. I did my homework. Pretend you aren't a grifting lefty and do some yourself. Put your facts out here to support your pathetic argument.

We have talked about red flag laws. Jim Geraghty of National Review made a case for red flag laws before stating the following:

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But my friend Cam Edwards points out that there's a flaw in most of the red-flag laws on the books in the 19 states that have them. In just about all of the cases, the court system and police seize the firearms of the troubled individual and then . . . that's it. There's no requirement for subsequent counseling or mental-health treatment. The state has taken away that person's guns and called it a day. That emotionally disturbed or threatening person is still free to attack someone with a kitchen knife or try to run down someone in their car. As D. J. Jaffe wrote in 2019, "It makes no sense to let people who are known to be seriously mentally ill and believed to be dangerous go without treatment, even if they have had their weapons taken away. It's not compassionate. And it can be dangerous."

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We have talked about red flag laws. Jim Geraghty of National Review made a case for red flag laws before stating the following:

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But my friend Cam Edwards points out that there's a flaw in most of the red-flag laws on the books in the 19 states that have them. In just about all of the cases, the court system and police seize the firearms of the troubled individual and then . . . that's it. There's no requirement for subsequent counseling or mental-health treatment. The state has taken away that person's guns and called it a day. That emotionally disturbed or threatening person is still free to attack someone with a kitchen knife or try to run down someone in their car. As D. J. Jaffe wrote in 2019, "It makes no sense to let people who are known to be seriously mentally ill and believed to be dangerous go without treatment, even if they have had their weapons taken away. It's not compassionate. And it can be dangerous."

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Can't remember , what is the check any buyer has to go through when buying a gun in NC?

BBW12OG said:

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Packchem91 said:

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BBW12OG said:

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For all of those "concerned" with the shootings why don't you discuss the fact that handguns are ILLEGAL in Chicago?

Why is it never addressed or discussed. This was just one weekend. Not one of you lefties have ever started a thread about how left run cities are basically third world country warzones. Wonder why that is?

Please shed some light on why you ignore Chicago, Baltimore, D.C., St. Louis, L.A. and Detroit? Why do those shootings and killings not matter enough to discuss?

We know...........

40 people shot.

FORTY.

In a city where handguns are illegal.

It’s not about guns.

Or the law-abiding. https://t.co/Dy7eFeXd0M

— Sebastian Gorka DrG (@SebGorka) May 30, 2022

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two thoughts ---
first, I've said on here many times taht it has been proven over and over that no one cares about inner city poverty / killings. Maybe briefly leading up to elections, but other than that, no one cares.
Your stats above aren't new or unique, they occur in certain cities all the time and have been for years, most of them are drug/gang/poverty related, and no one really sheds a tear.

second, now report your findings on numbers comparing how many mass shootings occurred in Canada, UK, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Japan, S Korea, Australia, India, and China over the month of May as compared to the US.

Look, we can all disagree on what should be done to address the problems, but one thing i think is clear. It may not be "the guns", but its also not just "the people" that are the problem. It's a mixture. And if the focus is on just one, nothing constructive will happen, an we'll continue to have these issues.

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Now show me the stats on who/which demographic is responsible for a majority of "mass shootings" in the United States.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43

https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2

Maybe it's not a gun problem. Maybe it's a cultural problem where 17% of the population is involved with over 75% of ALL VIOLENT CRIMES.

You don't see that as an issue then there is no helping you. Also why don't you do some homework and give me the demographic breakdowns on the populations of the countries you listed and questioned me about. I did my homework. Pretend you aren't a grifting lefty and do some yourself. Put your facts out here to support your pathetic argument.

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Of course its an issue. Poverty, missing parents, and no hope turns people to other alternatives which are often drugs and gangs. This isn't new. Drugs and gangs beget violence. Violence begets violence. Availabitliy of easy weapons and ammo of course contributes and only a blind fool would disagree.

But again, no one cares. Keep killing each other, as long as you contain it to your streets. Cynical -- of course -- but also realistic, as this has been going on for decades and nothing changes no matter who leads, with very rare exceptions of where strong community leaders have had an effect (like the East Lake Atlanta neighborhood).

Everyone cares when the schools get shot up. Or when people drive to grocery stores or churches are target people on race or some other attribute like taht.

So I answered your question -- you answer mine -- how many mass shootings occureed in MAy...or in 2022 or in 2021-2022 in those countries I asked about.

Do you know how mass shootings are reported in each of those countries?

Do those countries have the demographic breakdown that we do in the United States?

Do those countries glorify the use of drugs, violence, violence against women and the "gangster" lifestyle that musicians in the United States do?

You won't answer the question because you know you are dead wrong again and have moved the goal posts to push some type of false flag excuse.

You and everyone else knows why we have so many "mass shootings." It damn sure isn't the guns. Address the real issue or go pound sand.

AOC said that white supremacists commit the vast majority of domestic terrorism in the USA.

Here's the 2021 mass murder statistics breakdown.
Mass shootings with a known perpetratror : 227 Mass

Perpetrators by race :
Black 192 (74%)
White 31 (12%)
Latino 31 (12%)
Asian 4 (2%)

— Catturd ™ (@catturd2) May 26, 2022

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So I answered your question -- you answer mine -- how many mass shootings occureed in MAy...or in 2022 or in 2021-2022 in those countries I asked about.

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Oh wow, such an important question. Are murders only "bad" if done in a "mass shooting"?? Is a murder "less bad" if someone is stabbed or bludgeoned to death?

The United States still has a relatively low homicide rate compared to the rest of the world. Many nations that severely restrict gun ownership have much higher homicide rates.

How many stabbing deaths occurred in the U.K., South Africa, and Brazil last year? Should those countries ban knives or pass knife control laws?

GuerrillaPack said:

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Packchem91 said:

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So I answered your question -- you answer mine -- how many mass shootings occureed in MAy...or in 2022 or in 2021-2022 in those countries I asked about.

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Oh wow, such an important question. Are murders only "bad" if done in a "mass shooting"?? Is a murder "less bad" if someone is stabbed or bludgeoned to death?

The United States still has a relatively low homicide rate compared to the rest of the world. Many nations that severely restrict gun ownership have much higher homicide rates.

How many stabbing deaths occurred in the U.K., South Africa, and Brazil last year? Should those countries ban knives or pass knife control laws?

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All murders are bad, but you, me, the government officials, etc don't care about the volume of murders done in inner cities. They wouldn't even make the news, except for Fox saying "hey ya'll, look over here". It's sad, but as a country, we've jsut accepted it, and move on.

Has someone broken into a school or a grocery store recently in those countries and killed a bunch of folks -- dozens -- with knives? I may have missed those stories.

Brazil....you REALLY want to compare the US to Brazil and South Africa?

BBW12OG said:

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Do you know how mass shootings are reported in each of those countries?

Do those countries have the demographic breakdown that we do in the United States?

Do those countries glorify the use of drugs, violence, violence against women and the "gangster" lifestyle that musicians in the United States do?

You won't answer the question because you know you are dead wrong again and have moved the goal posts to push some type of false flag excuse.

You and everyone else knows why we have so many "mass shootings." It damn sure isn't the guns. Address the real issue or go pound sand.

AOC said that white supremacists commit the vast majority of domestic terrorism in the USA.

Here's the 2021 mass murder statistics breakdown.
Mass shootings with a known perpetratror : 227 Mass

Perpetrators by race :
Black 192 (74%)
White 31 (12%)
Latino 31 (12%)
Asian 4 (2%)

— Catturd ™ (@catturd2) May 26, 2022

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First, AOC is an idiot. Second, so is that cat meme...considering their metrics don't even add up (or at least it didn't when you first reported it, not sure if it was updated)

Second, so you're saying other developed countries don't have poverty? Heck, most Euro countries also have those ickey foreigners you're so afraid of pouring in. Has Poland had a recent rash of murders with all those Ukranians there now?
Or are you suggesting we are the only country with mental health issues or people disaffected by the internet world and other problems young people face?

Or maybe we're the only country with violent movies and video games? Maybe the canadian borders stops those things from impacting their young and vulnerable? Or maybe no one else in the world listens to rap music? Crazy, considering the worldwide revenue all the movies, games and music makes, but with a source like catturd, maybe you are ahead of the game.

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BBW12OG said:

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Do you know how mass shootings are reported in each of those countries?

Do those countries have the demographic breakdown that we do in the United States?

Do those countries glorify the use of drugs, violence, violence against women and the "gangster" lifestyle that musicians in the United States do?

You won't answer the question because you know you are dead wrong again and have moved the goal posts to push some type of false flag excuse.

You and everyone else knows why we have so many "mass shootings." It damn sure isn't the guns. Address the real issue or go pound sand.

AOC said that white supremacists commit the vast majority of domestic terrorism in the USA.

Here's the 2021 mass murder statistics breakdown.
Mass shootings with a known perpetratror : 227 Mass

Perpetrators by race :
Black 192 (74%)
White 31 (12%)
Latino 31 (12%)
Asian 4 (2%)

— Catturd ™ (@catturd2) May 26, 2022

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First, AOC is an idiot. Second, so is that cat meme...considering their metrics don't even add up (or at least it didn't when you first reported it, not sure if it was updated)

Second, so you're saying other developed countries don't have poverty? Heck, most Euro countries also have those ickey foreigners you're so afraid of pouring in. Has Poland had a recent rash of murders with all those Ukranians there now?
Or are you suggesting we are the only country with mental health issues or people disaffected by the internet world and other problems young people face?

Or maybe we're the only country with violent movies and video games? Maybe the canadian borders stops those things from impacting their young and vulnerable? Or maybe no one else in the world listens to rap music? Crazy, considering the worldwide revenue all the movies, games and music makes, but with a source like catturd, maybe you are ahead of the game.

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I see you aren't disputing the facts just the source of the facts... Typical...

Now research these and tell me what you find out about the perpetrators. I'll wait for your response.

JUST IN: 9 killed in 14 mass shootings over holiday weekend: watchdog https://t.co/rdnjoE0RgV pic.twitter.com/EGk8MilIRk

— The Hill (@thehill) May 31, 2022

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It seems surprising that 2nd Amendment advocates are OK with the limitations that are in place currently for what firearms they can have, but think there can't be any further limitations.

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Are you not a 2nd Amendment advocate? Which other amendments are you opposed to?

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I'm not against the 2nd Amendment, but I also don't think it's absolute. Seems like the law has established that limitations on it are legal.

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GuerrillaPack said:

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So I answered your question -- you answer mine -- how many mass shootings occureed in MAy...or in 2022 or in 2021-2022 in those countries I asked about.

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Oh wow, such an important question. Are murders only "bad" if done in a "mass shooting"?? Is a murder "less bad" if someone is stabbed or bludgeoned to death?

The United States still has a relatively low homicide rate compared to the rest of the world. Many nations that severely restrict gun ownership have much higher homicide rates.

How many stabbing deaths occurred in the U.K., South Africa, and Brazil last year? Should those countries ban knives or pass knife control laws?

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All murders are bad, but you, me, the government officials, etc don't care about the volume of murders done in inner cities. They wouldn't even make the news, except for Fox saying "hey ya'll, look over here". It's sad, but as a country, we've jsut accepted it, and move on.

Has someone broken into a school or a grocery store recently in those countries and killed a bunch of folks -- dozens -- with knives? I may have missed those stories.

Brazil....you REALLY want to compare the US to Brazil and South Africa?

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Google "mass stabbing in China".

I see several mass stabbing incidents over the last decade with a simple google search.


1. 24 stabbed in a school in 2012

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenpeng_Village_Primary_School_stabbing

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Chenpeng Village Primary School stabbing

On 14 December 2012 between 7 and 8 a.m. local time, a 36-year-old villager identified as Min Yongjun[2] stabbed 24 people, including 23 children and an elderly woman,[3] in a knife attack at Chenpeng Village Primary School (simplified Chinese: ; traditional Chinese: ; pinyin: Chnpng Cn Wnqun Xioxu[note 1]), Wenshu Township, Guangshan County, Henan province, China.[1][4][5][6] The children targeted by the knifeman are thought likely to be between six and eleven years of age. The attack occurred as the children were arriving for classes probably at 8:00 or maybe even 9:00.[5]

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2. 130 stabbed and 33 killed in a train station in 2014.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/33-dead-130-injured-china-knife-wielding-spree-n41966

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33 Dead, 130 Injured in China Knife-Wielding Spree

A group of knife-wielding men attacked a train station in southwestern China on Saturday, killing at least 29 people and injuring more than 130 others in what Chinese officials called a terrorist strike, the official Xinhua News Agency said.

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3. Seven killed and seven wounded in 2020:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55460642

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At least seven people have been killed by a knife-wielding attacker in north-eastern China, media reports say.

Another seven people were reported wounded in the mass stabbing, which took place in Kaiyuan, a small city in Liaoning province.

Police have arrested a suspect, the state-run Xinhua news agency reports, although a motive remains unclear.

Witnesses described seeing a man stabbing people seemingly at random.

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The communist news network (CNN) even covered this as a trend...

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/09/china/china-knife-attacks-mic-intl-hnk/index.html

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As America struggles with gun violence, China faces its own public safety threat: mass stabbings

Wed June 9, 2021

As the United States routinely faces the tragedy of mass shootings, China is struggling to put an end to its own threat to public safety: indiscriminate stabbings.

Over the weekend, six people were killed and 14 injured after a knife-wielding man stabbed passersby on a pedestrian shopping street in the eastern Chinese city of Anqing. Videos circulating on social media show wounded pedestrians lying on the pavement, covered in blood.

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BBW12OG said:

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Do you know how mass shootings are reported in each of those countries?

Do those countries have the demographic breakdown that we do in the United States?

Do those countries glorify the use of drugs, violence, violence against women and the "gangster" lifestyle that musicians in the United States do?

You won't answer the question because you know you are dead wrong again and have moved the goal posts to push some type of false flag excuse.

You and everyone else knows why we have so many "mass shootings." It damn sure isn't the guns. Address the real issue or go pound sand.

AOC said that white supremacists commit the vast majority of domestic terrorism in the USA.

Here's the 2021 mass murder statistics breakdown.
Mass shootings with a known perpetratror : 227 Mass

Perpetrators by race :
Black 192 (74%)
White 31 (12%)
Latino 31 (12%)
Asian 4 (2%)

— Catturd ™ (@catturd2) May 26, 2022

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Is not about facts, it's about the narrative you can spin.

GuerrillaPack said:

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Packchem91 said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Packchem91 said:

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So I answered your question -- you answer mine -- how many mass shootings occureed in MAy...or in 2022 or in 2021-2022 in those countries I asked about.

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Oh wow, such an important question. Are murders only "bad" if done in a "mass shooting"?? Is a murder "less bad" if someone is stabbed or bludgeoned to death?

The United States still has a relatively low homicide rate compared to the rest of the world. Many nations that severely restrict gun ownership have much higher homicide rates.

How many stabbing deaths occurred in the U.K., South Africa, and Brazil last year? Should those countries ban knives or pass knife control laws?

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All murders are bad, but you, me, the government officials, etc don't care about the volume of murders done in inner cities. They wouldn't even make the news, except for Fox saying "hey ya'll, look over here". It's sad, but as a country, we've jsut accepted it, and move on.

Has someone broken into a school or a grocery store recently in those countries and killed a bunch of folks -- dozens -- with knives? I may have missed those stories.

Brazil....you REALLY want to compare the US to Brazil and South Africa?

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Google "mass stabbing in China".

I see several mass stabbing incidents over the last decade with a simple google search.


1. 24 stabbed in a school in 2012

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenpeng_Village_Primary_School_stabbing

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Chenpeng Village Primary School stabbing

On 14 December 2012 between 7 and 8 a.m. local time, a 36-year-old villager identified as Min Yongjun[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenpeng_Village_Primary_School_stabbing#cite_note-jrj-2][2][/url] stabbed 24 people, including 23 children and an elderly woman,[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenpeng_Village_Primary_School_stabbing#cite_note-3][3][/url] in a knife attack at Chenpeng Village Primary School (simplified Chinese: ; traditional Chinese: ; pinyin: Chnpng Cn Wnqun Xioxu[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenpeng_Village_Primary_School_stabbing#cite_note-4][note 1][/url]), Wenshu Township, Guangshan County, Henan province, China.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenpeng_Village_Primary_School_stabbing#cite_note-pd-1][1][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenpeng_Village_Primary_School_stabbing#cite_note-nyt-5][4][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenpeng_Village_Primary_School_stabbing#cite_note-cbc-6][5][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenpeng_Village_Primary_School_stabbing#cite_note-7][6][/url] The children targeted by the knifeman are thought likely to be between six and eleven years of age. The attack occurred as the children were arriving for classes probably at 8:00 or maybe even 9:00.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenpeng_Village_Primary_School_stabbing#cite_note-cbc-6][5][/url]

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2. 130 stabbed and 33 killed in a train station in 2014.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/33-dead-130-injured-china-knife-wielding-spree-n41966

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33 Dead, 130 Injured in China Knife-Wielding Spree

A group of knife-wielding men attacked a train station in southwestern China on Saturday, killing at least 29 people and injuring more than 130 others in what Chinese officials called a terrorist strike, the official Xinhua News Agency said.

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3. Seven killed and seven wounded in 2020:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55460642

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At least seven people have been killed by a knife-wielding attacker in north-eastern China, media reports say.

Another seven people were reported wounded in the mass stabbing, which took place in Kaiyuan, a small city in Liaoning province.

Police have arrested a suspect, the state-run Xinhua news agency reports, although a motive remains unclear.

Witnesses described seeing a man stabbing people seemingly at random.

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The communist news network (CNN) even covered this as a trend...

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/09/china/china-knife-attacks-mic-intl-hnk/index.html

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As America struggles with gun violence, China faces its own public safety threat: mass stabbings

Wed June 9, 2021

As the United States routinely faces the tragedy of mass shootings, China is struggling to put an end to its own threat to public safety: indiscriminate stabbings.

Over the weekend, six people were killed and 14 injured after a knife-wielding man stabbed passersby on a pedestrian shopping street in the eastern Chinese city of Anqing. Videos circulating on social media show wounded pedestrians lying on the pavement, covered in blood.

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Also in that article you referenced:

In 2018, there were 0.5 intentional homicides per 100,000 people in China -- one tenth of the murder rate in the US.


So yeah, either the Chinese are 10x better people than us....or the weapon of choice makes a difference?

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Packchem91 said:

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So I answered your question -- you answer mine -- how many mass shootings occureed in MAy...or in 2022 or in 2021-2022 in those countries I asked about.

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Oh wow, such an important question. Are murders only "bad" if done in a "mass shooting"?? Is a murder "less bad" if someone is stabbed or bludgeoned to death?

The United States still has a relatively low homicide rate compared to the rest of the world. Many nations that severely restrict gun ownership have much higher homicide rates.

How many stabbing deaths occurred in the U.K., South Africa, and Brazil last year? Should those countries ban knives or pass knife control laws?

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All murders are bad, but you, me, the government officials, etc don't care about the volume of murders done in inner cities. They wouldn't even make the news, except for Fox saying "hey ya'll, look over here". It's sad, but as a country, we've jsut accepted it, and move on.

Has someone broken into a school or a grocery store recently in those countries and killed a bunch of folks -- dozens -- with knives? I may have missed those stories.

Brazil....you REALLY want to compare the US to Brazil and South Africa?

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Google "mass stabbing in China".

I see several mass stabbing incidents over the last decade with a simple google search.


1. 24 stabbed in a school in 2012

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenpeng_Village_Primary_School_stabbing

Quote:

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Chenpeng Village Primary School stabbing

On 14 December 2012 between 7 and 8 a.m. local time, a 36-year-old villager identified as Min Yongjun[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenpeng_Village_Primary_School_stabbing#cite_note-jrj-2][2][/url] stabbed 24 people, including 23 children and an elderly woman,[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenpeng_Village_Primary_School_stabbing#cite_note-3][3][/url] in a knife attack at Chenpeng Village Primary School (simplified Chinese: ; traditional Chinese: ; pinyin: Chnpng Cn Wnqun Xioxu[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenpeng_Village_Primary_School_stabbing#cite_note-4][note 1][/url]), Wenshu Township, Guangshan County, Henan province, China.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenpeng_Village_Primary_School_stabbing#cite_note-pd-1][1][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenpeng_Village_Primary_School_stabbing#cite_note-nyt-5][4][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenpeng_Village_Primary_School_stabbing#cite_note-cbc-6][5][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenpeng_Village_Primary_School_stabbing#cite_note-7][6][/url] The children targeted by the knifeman are thought likely to be between six and eleven years of age. The attack occurred as the children were arriving for classes probably at 8:00 or maybe even 9:00.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenpeng_Village_Primary_School_stabbing#cite_note-cbc-6][5][/url]

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2. 130 stabbed and 33 killed in a train station in 2014.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/33-dead-130-injured-china-knife-wielding-spree-n41966

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33 Dead, 130 Injured in China Knife-Wielding Spree

A group of knife-wielding men attacked a train station in southwestern China on Saturday, killing at least 29 people and injuring more than 130 others in what Chinese officials called a terrorist strike, the official Xinhua News Agency said.

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3. Seven killed and seven wounded in 2020:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55460642

Quote:

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At least seven people have been killed by a knife-wielding attacker in north-eastern China, media reports say.

Another seven people were reported wounded in the mass stabbing, which took place in Kaiyuan, a small city in Liaoning province.

Police have arrested a suspect, the state-run Xinhua news agency reports, although a motive remains unclear.

Witnesses described seeing a man stabbing people seemingly at random.

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The communist news network (CNN) even covered this as a trend...

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/09/china/china-knife-attacks-mic-intl-hnk/index.html

Quote:

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As America struggles with gun violence, China faces its own public safety threat: mass stabbings

Wed June 9, 2021

As the United States routinely faces the tragedy of mass shootings, China is struggling to put an end to its own threat to public safety: indiscriminate stabbings.

Over the weekend, six people were killed and 14 injured after a knife-wielding man stabbed passersby on a pedestrian shopping street in the eastern Chinese city of Anqing. Videos circulating on social media show wounded pedestrians lying on the pavement, covered in blood.

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Also in that article you referenced:

In 2018, there were 0.5 intentional homicides per 100,000 people in China -- one tenth of the murder rate in the US.


So yeah, either the Chinese are 10x better people than us....or the weapon of choice makes a difference?

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You are incredibly sheltered or just an idiot. Your choice. You think these countries, China in particular, are reporting their numbers like we do?

How many Uyghers have the Chinese Government killed? You gonna count those as "mass shootings?" No. You won't. You and your MARXIST comrades could care less what their government does because you dream of that here.

Again... answer my earlier question about the perpetrators of the 14 "mass shootings" this weekend. Noticed you have avoided that one.

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So yeah, either the Chinese are 10x better people than us....or the weapon of choice makes a difference?

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And Mexico has a homicide rate 5.9 times higher than the United States, and Mexico has a TOTAL gun ban, not allowing its people to have firearms at all.

South Africa has a homicide rate 7.3 times higher than the United States, and has very strict gun control laws.

The type of people in the society makes a big difference, as well many other economic and social factors. China and Japan have always had low homicide rates, regardless of their laws on gun ownership.

GuerrillaPack said:

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Packchem91 said:

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So yeah, either the Chinese are 10x better people than us....or the weapon of choice makes a difference?

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And Mexico has a homicide rate 5.9 times higher than the United States, and Mexico has a TOTAL gun ban, not allowing its people to have firearms at all.

South Africa has a homicide rate 7.3 times higher than the United States, and has very strict gun control laws.

The type of people in the society makes a big difference, as well many other economic and social factors. China and Japan have always had low homicide rates, regardless of their laws on gun ownership.

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So demographics matter is what you are saying....?

Wonder why the left NEVER addresses that? Could it be they would be admitting that in lefty run cities crime is rampant, poverty is rampant, the schools are the worst in the entire civilized world, teenage pregnancy is double that of Conservative run areas and have been run by lefties for decades?

But as long as they keep them poor, uneducated and beholden to them they will always have their votes.

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Do you know how mass shootings are reported in each of those countries?

Do those countries have the demographic breakdown that we do in the United States?

Do those countries glorify the use of drugs, violence, violence against women and the "gangster" lifestyle that musicians in the United States do?

You won't answer the question because you know you are dead wrong again and have moved the goal posts to push some type of false flag excuse.

You and everyone else knows why we have so many "mass shootings." It damn sure isn't the guns. Address the real issue or go pound sand.

AOC said that white supremacists commit the vast majority of domestic terrorism in the USA.

Here's the 2021 mass murder statistics breakdown.
Mass shootings with a known perpetratror : 227 Mass

Perpetrators by race :
Black 192 (74%)
White 31 (12%)
Latino 31 (12%)
Asian 4 (2%)

— Catturd ™ (@catturd2) May 26, 2022

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First, AOC is an idiot. Second, so is that cat meme...considering their metrics don't even add up (or at least it didn't when you first reported it, not sure if it was updated)

Second, so you're saying other developed countries don't have poverty? Heck, most Euro countries also have those ickey foreigners you're so afraid of pouring in. Has Poland had a recent rash of murders with all those Ukranians there now?
Or are you suggesting we are the only country with mental health issues or people disaffected by the internet world and other problems young people face?

Or maybe we're the only country with violent movies and video games? Maybe the canadian borders stops those things from impacting their young and vulnerable? Or maybe no one else in the world listens to rap music? Crazy, considering the worldwide revenue all the movies, games and music makes, but with a source like catturd, maybe you are ahead of the game.

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I see you aren't disputing the facts just the source of the facts... Typical...

Now research these and tell me what you find out about the perpetrators. I'll wait for your response.

JUST IN: 9 killed in 14 mass shootings over holiday weekend: watchdog https://t.co/rdnjoE0RgV pic.twitter.com/EGk8MilIRk

— The Hill (@thehill) May 31, 2022

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Oh, i am disputing your facts. Your biased source, catturd....says in its tweet:
227 mass killings, then lists 4 different groups....that adds up to 258 total.
I tend to distrust polls/stats that most basic premise is flawed.

Packchem91 said:

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Oh, i am disputing your facts. Your biased source, catturd....says in its tweet:
227 mass killings, then lists 4 different groups....that adds up to 258 total.
I tend to distrust polls/stats that most basic premise is flawed.

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LOL . As if there are any unbiased sources.

Is CNN biased? Is the NY Times biased? Is NBC, ABC, and CBS biased? Of course they are. 99% of the Establishment lamestream press and media is fully controlled by far Left Marxist ideologues.

The Establishment is completely biased in favor of pushing their totalitarian, Marxist, big Government, far Left agenda.

An "average Joe" on social media has 1000 times more credibility, and willingness to pursue the truth.

GOOD STUFF BBW and GP!!

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BBW12OG said:

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Packchem91 said:

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BBW12OG said:

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Do you know how mass shootings are reported in each of those countries?

Do those countries have the demographic breakdown that we do in the United States?

Do those countries glorify the use of drugs, violence, violence against women and the "gangster" lifestyle that musicians in the United States do?

You won't answer the question because you know you are dead wrong again and have moved the goal posts to push some type of false flag excuse.

You and everyone else knows why we have so many "mass shootings." It damn sure isn't the guns. Address the real issue or go pound sand.

AOC said that white supremacists commit the vast majority of domestic terrorism in the USA.

Here's the 2021 mass murder statistics breakdown.
Mass shootings with a known perpetratror : 227 Mass

Perpetrators by race :
Black 192 (74%)
White 31 (12%)
Latino 31 (12%)
Asian 4 (2%)

— Catturd ™ (@catturd2) May 26, 2022

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First, AOC is an idiot. Second, so is that cat meme...considering their metrics don't even add up (or at least it didn't when you first reported it, not sure if it was updated)

Second, so you're saying other developed countries don't have poverty? Heck, most Euro countries also have those ickey foreigners you're so afraid of pouring in. Has Poland had a recent rash of murders with all those Ukranians there now?
Or are you suggesting we are the only country with mental health issues or people disaffected by the internet world and other problems young people face?

Or maybe we're the only country with violent movies and video games? Maybe the canadian borders stops those things from impacting their young and vulnerable? Or maybe no one else in the world listens to rap music? Crazy, considering the worldwide revenue all the movies, games and music makes, but with a source like catturd, maybe you are ahead of the game.

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I see you aren't disputing the facts just the source of the facts... Typical...

Now research these and tell me what you find out about the perpetrators. I'll wait for your response.

JUST IN: 9 killed in 14 mass shootings over holiday weekend: watchdog https://t.co/rdnjoE0RgV pic.twitter.com/EGk8MilIRk

— The Hill (@thehill) May 31, 2022

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Oh, i am disputing your facts. Your biased source, catturd....says in its tweet:
227 mass killings, then lists 4 different groups....that adds up to 258 total.
I tend to distrust polls/stats that most basic premise is flawed.

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Here you go... I posted this earlier and you completely ignored it. Here are MORE facts to support the facts that I have already posted.

Keep flailing... you may as well be consistently consistent on being wrong and refusing to admit it. It's actually become somewhat of a game on here. What depths of stupidity will you go to in order to keep a losing conversation going? You win at that one for sure!

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"Now show me the stats on who/which demographic is responsible for a majority of "mass shootings" in the United States."

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43

https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2

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There are official government websites with official government data. Now the latest information there is from 2019. We all know it was worse in 2020 when the BLM/Antifa riots were happening. But.. if you can do elementary math you can figure out the percentages and statistical analysis on your own. Bet you won't and bet you won't comment if you do.

Keep flailing!!! You do it as well as a few other of your comrades!!

BBW12OG said:

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Packchem91 said:

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BBW12OG said:

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Packchem91 said:

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BBW12OG said:

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Do you know how mass shootings are reported in each of those countries?

Do those countries have the demographic breakdown that we do in the United States?

Do those countries glorify the use of drugs, violence, violence against women and the "gangster" lifestyle that musicians in the United States do?

You won't answer the question because you know you are dead wrong again and have moved the goal posts to push some type of false flag excuse.

You and everyone else knows why we have so many "mass shootings." It damn sure isn't the guns. Address the real issue or go pound sand.

AOC said that white supremacists commit the vast majority of domestic terrorism in the USA.

Here's the 2021 mass murder statistics breakdown.
Mass shootings with a known perpetratror : 227 Mass

Perpetrators by race :
Black 192 (74%)
White 31 (12%)
Latino 31 (12%)
Asian 4 (2%)

— Catturd ™ (@catturd2) May 26, 2022

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First, AOC is an idiot. Second, so is that cat meme...considering their metrics don't even add up (or at least it didn't when you first reported it, not sure if it was updated)

Second, so you're saying other developed countries don't have poverty? Heck, most Euro countries also have those ickey foreigners you're so afraid of pouring in. Has Poland had a recent rash of murders with all those Ukranians there now?
Or are you suggesting we are the only country with mental health issues or people disaffected by the internet world and other problems young people face?

Or maybe we're the only country with violent movies and video games? Maybe the canadian borders stops those things from impacting their young and vulnerable? Or maybe no one else in the world listens to rap music? Crazy, considering the worldwide revenue all the movies, games and music makes, but with a source like catturd, maybe you are ahead of the game.

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I see you aren't disputing the facts just the source of the facts... Typical...

Now research these and tell me what you find out about the perpetrators. I'll wait for your response.

JUST IN: 9 killed in 14 mass shootings over holiday weekend: watchdog https://t.co/rdnjoE0RgV pic.twitter.com/EGk8MilIRk

— The Hill (@thehill) May 31, 2022

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Oh, i am disputing your facts. Your biased source, catturd....says in its tweet:
227 mass killings, then lists 4 different groups....that adds up to 258 total.
I tend to distrust polls/stats that most basic premise is flawed.

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Here you go... I posted this earlier and you completely ignored it. Here are MORE facts to support the facts that I have already posted.

Keep flailing... you may as well be consistently consistent on being wrong and refusing to admit it. It's actually become somewhat of a game on here. What depths of stupidity will you go to in order to keep a losing conversation going. You win at that one for sure!

Quote:

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"Now show me the stats on who/which demographic is responsible for a majority of "mass shootings" in the United States."

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43

https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2

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There are official government websites with official government data. Now the latest information there is from 2019. We all know it was worse in 2020 when the BLM/Antifa riots were happening. But.. if you can do elementary math you can figure out the percentages and statistical analysis on your own. Bet you won't and bet you won't comment if you do.

Keep flailing!!! You do it as well as a few other of your comrades!!

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LOL, yes i ignored it, because you changed topics from mass killings to murders in general. No one disputes where most crimes take place and that proliferation of handguns will mean that continues.

What this whole thread has been about are the ARs, which are the more common weapon of choice in the mass kililngs, and are at center of debate about taking action. But leave it to you to move the field goal posts when your message is not sustainable

Catturd, indeed. I can see why you chose that lady

GuerrillaPack said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Oh, i am disputing your facts. Your biased source, catturd....says in its tweet:
227 mass killings, then lists 4 different groups....that adds up to 258 total.
I tend to distrust polls/stats that most basic premise is flawed.

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LOL . As if there are any unbiased sources.

Is CNN biased? Is the NY Times biased? Is NBC, ABC, and CBS biased? Of course they are. 99% of the Establishment lamestream press and media is fully controlled by far Left Marxist ideologues.

The Establishment is completely biased in favor of pushing their totalitarian, Marxist, big Government, far Left agenda.

An "average Joe" on social media has 1000 times more credibility, and willingness to pursue the truth.

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did you look at catturd's site? Come on man, there is bias, and then there is unabased over the top bias. What you are reallly saying of course is, an average Joe has the ability to come up with ideas that agree with my line of thinking, so they are good. I thought you were smart enough to know the difference, but clearly not