Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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This is a big problem for me when it comes to these instances. There were so many red flags prior to these events, but nothing was done or things were ignored. We have to change this. It goes back to my earlier post about parenting, discipline, mental health in our society today.

I'll share a story that's makes this hit close to home. My wife has been an elementary school teacher for about 25 years. About 2 months ago, a kid in the school posted a TikTok video talking about going to the school and killing everyone, with a slide show including pics of classmates and teachers. The video was seen by another student and reported by their parent to the school. It was then reported to the school district and the police, where it was handled from there.

When the parents were made aware of the issue, their first question was how and why did the elementary school get involved in this. Not a concern for who was threatened, why did their kid do this. No, why was his school involved. Another example of turning the cheek from the actual problem.

So, then comes the school district trial. The parents of course claimed he was just joking. Sure! They also said he was ADHD and prone to impulsive behavior. So, the district asks the kid, how did you get the pictures. His response, I took screen shots of everyone on his Chrome Book, emailed them to himself, and then made the video at home. So not impulsive behavior, but completely pre-meditated. The parents went on to say that the teachers didn't like him and were just out to get him. The principle presented a folder an inch thick of issues that have presented with this kid in 1 year.

I go back to what I said earlier. We have a serious issue with our young kids and young adults in how they are being raised. There is no discipline, no parenting, no accountability, and no teaching of right and wrong. We continue to not punish people when they do wrong. We look the other way because we excuse their upbringing or situation. Or, we just ignore the fact that there is evidently a problem.

You talk to any school teacher and with a pretty high percentage of accuracy, they can tell you what kind of adult each kid is going to grow into. All while their hands are tied by bad parents and bureaucracy from trying to do right by these kids. So, when these same kids turn around and create these horrific scenes year after year, our first response is to blame the gun.

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Dayum. Elementary aged. How does it happen so soon.

100% agree parenting is an issue:

• poor kids with one parent
• rich kids with parents who are absent in a different way
• parents try to attack anyone who dares to say little Johnny messed up

My kids went to a high performing HS, where all the kids are college-bound, and I've heard all kinds of stories of parents justify bad behavior to avoid derailing that path.

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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This is a big problem for me when it comes to these instances. There were so many red flags prior to these events, but nothing was done or things were ignored. We have to change this. It goes back to my earlier post about parenting, discipline, mental health in our society today.

I'll share a story that's makes this hit close to home. My wife has been an elementary school teacher for about 25 years. About 2 months ago, a kid in the school posted a TikTok video talking about going to the school and killing everyone, with a slide show including pics of classmates and teachers. The video was seen by another student and reported by their parent to the school. It was then reported to the school district and the police, where it was handled from there.

When the parents were made aware of the issue, their first question was how and why did the elementary school get involved in this. Not a concern for who was threatened, why did their kid do this. No, why was his school involved. Another example of turning the cheek from the actual problem.

So, then comes the school district trial. The parents of course claimed he was just joking. Sure! They also said he was ADHD and prone to impulsive behavior. So, the district asks the kid, how did you get the pictures. His response, I took screen shots of everyone on his Chrome Book, emailed them to himself, and then made the video at home. So not impulsive behavior, but completely pre-meditated. The parents went on to say that the teachers didn't like him and were just out to get him. The principle presented a folder an inch thick of issues that have presented with this kid in 1 year.

I go back to what I said earlier. We have a serious issue with our young kids and young adults in how they are being raised. There is no discipline, no parenting, no accountability, and no teaching of right and wrong. We continue to not punish people when they do wrong. We look the other way because we excuse their upbringing or situation. Or, we just ignore the fact that there is evidently a problem.

You talk to any school teacher and with a pretty high percentage of accuracy, they can tell you what kind of adult each kid is going to grow into. All while their hands are tied by bad parents and bureaucracy from trying to do right by these kids. So, when these same kids turn around and create these horrific scenes year after year, our first response is to blame the gun.

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Dayum. Elementary aged. How does it happen so soon.

100% agree parenting is an issue:

• poor kids with one parent
• rich kids with parents who are absent in a different way
• parents try to attack anyone who dares to say little Johnny messed up

My kids went to a high performing HS, where all the kids are college-bound, and I've heard all kinds of stories of parents justify bad behavior to avoid derailing that path.

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To add to the situation, the kid prior to this had told other kids that when he was older he was going to come back and shoot up the school. How does that make any of the teachers in the school feel when the potential ongoing threat is there, and nothing will be done about it? Parents said he was just joking.

The kid in Uvalde was said to go around and shoot random people with a BB gun and put in boxing gloves and punch people in the neighborhood. But, nothing was ever done. And then his mom is shocked that he would do something like what he did. GTFOH!!!

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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This is a big problem for me when it comes to these instances. There were so many red flags prior to these events, but nothing was done or things were ignored. We have to change this. It goes back to my earlier post about parenting, discipline, mental health in our society today.

I'll share a story that's makes this hit close to home. My wife has been an elementary school teacher for about 25 years. About 2 months ago, a kid in the school posted a TikTok video talking about going to the school and killing everyone, with a slide show including pics of classmates and teachers. The video was seen by another student and reported by their parent to the school. It was then reported to the school district and the police, where it was handled from there.

When the parents were made aware of the issue, their first question was how and why did the elementary school get involved in this. Not a concern for who was threatened, why did their kid do this. No, why was his school involved. Another example of turning the cheek from the actual problem.

So, then comes the school district trial. The parents of course claimed he was just joking. Sure! They also said he was ADHD and prone to impulsive behavior. So, the district asks the kid, how did you get the pictures. His response, I took screen shots of everyone on his Chrome Book, emailed them to himself, and then made the video at home. So not impulsive behavior, but completely pre-meditated. The parents went on to say that the teachers didn't like him and were just out to get him. The principle presented a folder an inch thick of issues that have presented with this kid in 1 year.

I go back to what I said earlier. We have a serious issue with our young kids and young adults in how they are being raised. There is no discipline, no parenting, no accountability, and no teaching of right and wrong. We continue to not punish people when they do wrong. We look the other way because we excuse their upbringing or situation. Or, we just ignore the fact that there is evidently a problem.

You talk to any school teacher and with a pretty high percentage of accuracy, they can tell you what kind of adult each kid is going to grow into. All while their hands are tied by bad parents and bureaucracy from trying to do right by these kids. So, when these same kids turn around and create these horrific scenes year after year, our first response is to blame the gun.

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Dayum. Elementary aged. How does it happen so soon.

100% agree parenting is an issue:

• poor kids with one parent
• rich kids with parents who are absent in a different way
• parents try to attack anyone who dares to say little Johnny messed up

My kids went to a high performing HS, where all the kids are college-bound, and I've heard all kinds of stories of parents justify bad behavior to avoid derailing that path.

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To add to the situation, the kid prior to this had told other kids that when he was older he was going to come back and shoot up the school. How does that make any of the teachers in the school feel when the potential ongoing threat is there, and nothing will be done about it? Parents said he was just joking.

The kid in Uvalde was said to go around and shoot random people with a BB gun and put in boxing gloves and punch people in the neighborhood. But, nothing was ever done. And then his mom is shocked that he would do something like what he did. GTFOH!!!

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Dayum. Elementary aged. How does it happen so soon.

100% agree parenting is an issue:

• poor kids with one parent
• rich kids with parents who are absent in a different way
• parents try to attack anyone who dares to say little Johnny messed up

My kids went to a high performing HS, where all the kids are college-bound, and I've heard all kinds of stories of parents justify bad behavior to avoid derailing that path.

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To add to the situation, the kid prior to this had told other kids that when he was older he was going to come back and shoot up the school. How does that make any of the teachers in the school feel when the potential ongoing threat is there, and nothing will be done about it? Parents said he was just joking.

The kid in Uvalde was said to go around and shoot random people with a BB gun and put in boxing gloves and punch people in the neighborhood. But, nothing was ever done. And then his mom is shocked that he would do something like what he did. GTFOH!!!

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Ground_Chuck said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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This is a big problem for me when it comes to these instances. There were so many red flags prior to these events, but nothing was done or things were ignored. We have to change this. It goes back to my earlier post about parenting, discipline, mental health in our society today.

I'll share a story that's makes this hit close to home. My wife has been an elementary school teacher for about 25 years. About 2 months ago, a kid in the school posted a TikTok video talking about going to the school and killing everyone, with a slide show including pics of classmates and teachers. The video was seen by another student and reported by their parent to the school. It was then reported to the school district and the police, where it was handled from there.

When the parents were made aware of the issue, their first question was how and why did the elementary school get involved in this. Not a concern for who was threatened, why did their kid do this. No, why was his school involved. Another example of turning the cheek from the actual problem.

So, then comes the school district trial. The parents of course claimed he was just joking. Sure! They also said he was ADHD and prone to impulsive behavior. So, the district asks the kid, how did you get the pictures. His response, I took screen shots of everyone on his Chrome Book, emailed them to himself, and then made the video at home. So not impulsive behavior, but completely pre-meditated. The parents went on to say that the teachers didn't like him and were just out to get him. The principle presented a folder an inch thick of issues that have presented with this kid in 1 year.

I go back to what I said earlier. We have a serious issue with our young kids and young adults in how they are being raised. There is no discipline, no parenting, no accountability, and no teaching of right and wrong. We continue to not punish people when they do wrong. We look the other way because we excuse their upbringing or situation. Or, we just ignore the fact that there is evidently a problem.

You talk to any school teacher and with a pretty high percentage of accuracy, they can tell you what kind of adult each kid is going to grow into. All while their hands are tied by bad parents and bureaucracy from trying to do right by these kids. So, when these same kids turn around and create these horrific scenes year after year, our first response is to blame the gun.

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Dayum. Elementary aged. How does it happen so soon.

100% agree parenting is an issue:

• poor kids with one parent
• rich kids with parents who are absent in a different way
• parents try to attack anyone who dares to say little Johnny messed up

My kids went to a high performing HS, where all the kids are college-bound, and I've heard all kinds of stories of parents justify bad behavior to avoid derailing that path.

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To add to the situation, the kid prior to this had told other kids that when he was older he was going to come back and shoot up the school. How does that make any of the teachers in the school feel when the potential ongoing threat is there, and nothing will be done about it? Parents said he was just joking.

The kid in Uvalde was said to go around and shoot random people with a BB gun and put in boxing gloves and punch people in the neighborhood. But, nothing was ever done. And then his mom is shocked that he would do something like what he did. GTFOH!!!

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Would you be in favor of legislation allowing local law enforcement to remove weapons from people's homes if a medical professional said that person was a danger to themselves and/or others?

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statefan91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Dayum. Elementary aged. How does it happen so soon.

100% agree parenting is an issue:

• poor kids with one parent
• rich kids with parents who are absent in a different way
• parents try to attack anyone who dares to say little Johnny messed up

My kids went to a high performing HS, where all the kids are college-bound, and I've heard all kinds of stories of parents justify bad behavior to avoid derailing that path.

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To add to the situation, the kid prior to this had told other kids that when he was older he was going to come back and shoot up the school. How does that make any of the teachers in the school feel when the potential ongoing threat is there, and nothing will be done about it? Parents said he was just joking.

The kid in Uvalde was said to go around and shoot random people with a BB gun and put in boxing gloves and punch people in the neighborhood. But, nothing was ever done. And then his mom is shocked that he would do something like what he did. GTFOH!!!

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Sounds like a really good reason for red flag laws

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The alleged shooter expressed a general desire in a school assignment to kill himself and others in June 2021. As a result, he was taken by police for a psychological evaluation and spent a day and a half in a mental hospital, according to NPR.

However, he was released and no further action was taken.

If either the police, school administrators, or his parents had filed for an ERPO, the shooter likely would have been prohibited from buying the gun he used in his attack. The shooter's clear willingness to break dozens of laws, including by illegally modifying his gun, implies he may have been willing to buy a gun illegally even if subject to an ERPO. But making his acquisition of a gun more difficult very well could have prevented the attack.

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Steve Videtich said:

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statefan91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Dayum. Elementary aged. How does it happen so soon.

100% agree parenting is an issue:

• poor kids with one parent
• rich kids with parents who are absent in a different way
• parents try to attack anyone who dares to say little Johnny messed up

My kids went to a high performing HS, where all the kids are college-bound, and I've heard all kinds of stories of parents justify bad behavior to avoid derailing that path.

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To add to the situation, the kid prior to this had told other kids that when he was older he was going to come back and shoot up the school. How does that make any of the teachers in the school feel when the potential ongoing threat is there, and nothing will be done about it? Parents said he was just joking.

The kid in Uvalde was said to go around and shoot random people with a BB gun and put in boxing gloves and punch people in the neighborhood. But, nothing was ever done. And then his mom is shocked that he would do something like what he did. GTFOH!!!

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Sounds like a really good reason for red flag laws

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I'm not sure what others are considering red flag laws. But, this is the exact scenario that I imagine should keep you from legally owning a gun. But, was any of this in his record that would trigger a red flag?

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AOC said that white supremacists commit the vast majority of domestic terrorism in the USA.

Here's the 2021 mass murder statistics breakdown.
Mass shootings with a known perpetratror : 227 Mass

Perpetrators by race :
Black 192 (74%)
White 31 (12%)
Latino 31 (12%)
Asian 4 (2%)

— Catturd ™ (@catturd2) May 26, 2022

Source ... you look these up per year at https://t.co/tZIVjJnbWj

— Catturd ™ (@catturd2) May 26, 2022

BBW12OG said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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statefan91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Dayum. Elementary aged. How does it happen so soon.

100% agree parenting is an issue:

• poor kids with one parent
• rich kids with parents who are absent in a different way
• parents try to attack anyone who dares to say little Johnny messed up

My kids went to a high performing HS, where all the kids are college-bound, and I've heard all kinds of stories of parents justify bad behavior to avoid derailing that path.

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To add to the situation, the kid prior to this had told other kids that when he was older he was going to come back and shoot up the school. How does that make any of the teachers in the school feel when the potential ongoing threat is there, and nothing will be done about it? Parents said he was just joking.

The kid in Uvalde was said to go around and shoot random people with a BB gun and put in boxing gloves and punch people in the neighborhood. But, nothing was ever done. And then his mom is shocked that he would do something like what he did. GTFOH!!!

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Sounds like a really good reason for red flag laws

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I'm not sure what others are considering red flag laws. But, this is the exact scenario that I imagine should keep you from legally owning a gun. But, was any of this in his record that would trigger a red flag?

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How many psycho ex-girlfriends do any of you have/had with agendas? We already see men locked up for 72 hours for no reason other than they "threatened" their significant other and it ruins their careers but when it pans out it was BS.

What are the parameters of who decides who is flagged?

Will it be the DA's elected by the Soros Foundation?

Will it be mental health professionals that are almost ALL left wing zealots...? FACT. I can give you proof.

Will it be a judgement by a court?

Too much gray area when the people in those positions have an agenda.

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Steve Videtich said:

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BBW12OG said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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statefan91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Dayum. Elementary aged. How does it happen so soon.

100% agree parenting is an issue:

• poor kids with one parent
• rich kids with parents who are absent in a different way
• parents try to attack anyone who dares to say little Johnny messed up

My kids went to a high performing HS, where all the kids are college-bound, and I've heard all kinds of stories of parents justify bad behavior to avoid derailing that path.

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To add to the situation, the kid prior to this had told other kids that when he was older he was going to come back and shoot up the school. How does that make any of the teachers in the school feel when the potential ongoing threat is there, and nothing will be done about it? Parents said he was just joking.

The kid in Uvalde was said to go around and shoot random people with a BB gun and put in boxing gloves and punch people in the neighborhood. But, nothing was ever done. And then his mom is shocked that he would do something like what he did. GTFOH!!!

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Sounds like a really good reason for red flag laws

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I'm not sure what others are considering red flag laws. But, this is the exact scenario that I imagine should keep you from legally owning a gun. But, was any of this in his record that would trigger a red flag?

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How many psycho ex-girlfriends do any of you have/had with agendas? We already see men locked up for 72 hours for no reason other than they "threatened" their significant other and it ruins their careers but when it pans out it was BS.

What are the parameters of who decides who is flagged?

Will it be the DA's elected by the Soros Foundation?

Will it be mental health professionals that are almost ALL left wing zealots...? FACT. I can give you proof.

Will it be a judgement by a court?

Too much gray area when the people in those positions have an agenda.

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Agree 100%! A ton of grey area that seems things too far in one direction. I ask this just for the purpose of conversation. Would such laws force people to become better citizens? Or would they force people to illegal means of obtaining a weapon? I don't know.

I've argued that we should start holding parents liable for some of these acts of violence committed by minors. Maybe they would start being parents and teaching them the word NO.

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Steve Videtich said:

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Ground_Chuck said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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This is a big problem for me when it comes to these instances. There were so many red flags prior to these events, but nothing was done or things were ignored. We have to change this. It goes back to my earlier post about parenting, discipline, mental health in our society today.

I'll share a story that's makes this hit close to home. My wife has been an elementary school teacher for about 25 years. About 2 months ago, a kid in the school posted a TikTok video talking about going to the school and killing everyone, with a slide show including pics of classmates and teachers. The video was seen by another student and reported by their parent to the school. It was then reported to the school district and the police, where it was handled from there.

When the parents were made aware of the issue, their first question was how and why did the elementary school get involved in this. Not a concern for who was threatened, why did their kid do this. No, why was his school involved. Another example of turning the cheek from the actual problem.

So, then comes the school district trial. The parents of course claimed he was just joking. Sure! They also said he was ADHD and prone to impulsive behavior. So, the district asks the kid, how did you get the pictures. His response, I took screen shots of everyone on his Chrome Book, emailed them to himself, and then made the video at home. So not impulsive behavior, but completely pre-meditated. The parents went on to say that the teachers didn't like him and were just out to get him. The principle presented a folder an inch thick of issues that have presented with this kid in 1 year.

I go back to what I said earlier. We have a serious issue with our young kids and young adults in how they are being raised. There is no discipline, no parenting, no accountability, and no teaching of right and wrong. We continue to not punish people when they do wrong. We look the other way because we excuse their upbringing or situation. Or, we just ignore the fact that there is evidently a problem.

You talk to any school teacher and with a pretty high percentage of accuracy, they can tell you what kind of adult each kid is going to grow into. All while their hands are tied by bad parents and bureaucracy from trying to do right by these kids. So, when these same kids turn around and create these horrific scenes year after year, our first response is to blame the gun.

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Dayum. Elementary aged. How does it happen so soon.

100% agree parenting is an issue:

• poor kids with one parent
• rich kids with parents who are absent in a different way
• parents try to attack anyone who dares to say little Johnny messed up

My kids went to a high performing HS, where all the kids are college-bound, and I've heard all kinds of stories of parents justify bad behavior to avoid derailing that path.

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To add to the situation, the kid prior to this had told other kids that when he was older he was going to come back and shoot up the school. How does that make any of the teachers in the school feel when the potential ongoing threat is there, and nothing will be done about it? Parents said he was just joking.

The kid in Uvalde was said to go around and shoot random people with a BB gun and put in boxing gloves and punch people in the neighborhood. But, nothing was ever done. And then his mom is shocked that he would do something like what he did. GTFOH!!!

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Would you be in favor of legislation allowing local law enforcement to remove weapons from people's homes if a medical professional said that person was a danger to themselves and/or others?

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I could see an argument both ways. Not to avoid an answer. But, I would argue no if the individual would seek the appropriate help in a facility if deemed necessary. If they refused then, well we have an issue.

The problem as always in these scenarios is who decides the parameters.

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Ground_Chuck said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Ground_Chuck said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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This is a big problem for me when it comes to these instances. There were so many red flags prior to these events, but nothing was done or things were ignored. We have to change this. It goes back to my earlier post about parenting, discipline, mental health in our society today.

I'll share a story that's makes this hit close to home. My wife has been an elementary school teacher for about 25 years. About 2 months ago, a kid in the school posted a TikTok video talking about going to the school and killing everyone, with a slide show including pics of classmates and teachers. The video was seen by another student and reported by their parent to the school. It was then reported to the school district and the police, where it was handled from there.

When the parents were made aware of the issue, their first question was how and why did the elementary school get involved in this. Not a concern for who was threatened, why did their kid do this. No, why was his school involved. Another example of turning the cheek from the actual problem.

So, then comes the school district trial. The parents of course claimed he was just joking. Sure! They also said he was ADHD and prone to impulsive behavior. So, the district asks the kid, how did you get the pictures. His response, I took screen shots of everyone on his Chrome Book, emailed them to himself, and then made the video at home. So not impulsive behavior, but completely pre-meditated. The parents went on to say that the teachers didn't like him and were just out to get him. The principle presented a folder an inch thick of issues that have presented with this kid in 1 year.

I go back to what I said earlier. We have a serious issue with our young kids and young adults in how they are being raised. There is no discipline, no parenting, no accountability, and no teaching of right and wrong. We continue to not punish people when they do wrong. We look the other way because we excuse their upbringing or situation. Or, we just ignore the fact that there is evidently a problem.

You talk to any school teacher and with a pretty high percentage of accuracy, they can tell you what kind of adult each kid is going to grow into. All while their hands are tied by bad parents and bureaucracy from trying to do right by these kids. So, when these same kids turn around and create these horrific scenes year after year, our first response is to blame the gun.

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Dayum. Elementary aged. How does it happen so soon.

100% agree parenting is an issue:

• poor kids with one parent
• rich kids with parents who are absent in a different way
• parents try to attack anyone who dares to say little Johnny messed up

My kids went to a high performing HS, where all the kids are college-bound, and I've heard all kinds of stories of parents justify bad behavior to avoid derailing that path.

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To add to the situation, the kid prior to this had told other kids that when he was older he was going to come back and shoot up the school. How does that make any of the teachers in the school feel when the potential ongoing threat is there, and nothing will be done about it? Parents said he was just joking.

The kid in Uvalde was said to go around and shoot random people with a BB gun and put in boxing gloves and punch people in the neighborhood. But, nothing was ever done. And then his mom is shocked that he would do something like what he did. GTFOH!!!

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Would you be in favor of legislation allowing local law enforcement to remove weapons from people's homes if a medical professional said that person was a danger to themselves and/or others?

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I could see an argument both ways. Not to avoid an answer. But, I would argue no if the individual would seek the appropriate help in a facility if deemed necessary. If they refused then, well we have an issue.

The problem as always in these scenarios is who decides the parameters.

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So you don't believe the Uvalde terrorist should have his weapons removed from his home?

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Steve Videtich said:

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Ground_Chuck said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Ground_Chuck said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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This is a big problem for me when it comes to these instances. There were so many red flags prior to these events, but nothing was done or things were ignored. We have to change this. It goes back to my earlier post about parenting, discipline, mental health in our society today.

I'll share a story that's makes this hit close to home. My wife has been an elementary school teacher for about 25 years. About 2 months ago, a kid in the school posted a TikTok video talking about going to the school and killing everyone, with a slide show including pics of classmates and teachers. The video was seen by another student and reported by their parent to the school. It was then reported to the school district and the police, where it was handled from there.

When the parents were made aware of the issue, their first question was how and why did the elementary school get involved in this. Not a concern for who was threatened, why did their kid do this. No, why was his school involved. Another example of turning the cheek from the actual problem.

So, then comes the school district trial. The parents of course claimed he was just joking. Sure! They also said he was ADHD and prone to impulsive behavior. So, the district asks the kid, how did you get the pictures. His response, I took screen shots of everyone on his Chrome Book, emailed them to himself, and then made the video at home. So not impulsive behavior, but completely pre-meditated. The parents went on to say that the teachers didn't like him and were just out to get him. The principle presented a folder an inch thick of issues that have presented with this kid in 1 year.

I go back to what I said earlier. We have a serious issue with our young kids and young adults in how they are being raised. There is no discipline, no parenting, no accountability, and no teaching of right and wrong. We continue to not punish people when they do wrong. We look the other way because we excuse their upbringing or situation. Or, we just ignore the fact that there is evidently a problem.

You talk to any school teacher and with a pretty high percentage of accuracy, they can tell you what kind of adult each kid is going to grow into. All while their hands are tied by bad parents and bureaucracy from trying to do right by these kids. So, when these same kids turn around and create these horrific scenes year after year, our first response is to blame the gun.

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Dayum. Elementary aged. How does it happen so soon.

100% agree parenting is an issue:

• poor kids with one parent
• rich kids with parents who are absent in a different way
• parents try to attack anyone who dares to say little Johnny messed up

My kids went to a high performing HS, where all the kids are college-bound, and I've heard all kinds of stories of parents justify bad behavior to avoid derailing that path.

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To add to the situation, the kid prior to this had told other kids that when he was older he was going to come back and shoot up the school. How does that make any of the teachers in the school feel when the potential ongoing threat is there, and nothing will be done about it? Parents said he was just joking.

The kid in Uvalde was said to go around and shoot random people with a BB gun and put in boxing gloves and punch people in the neighborhood. But, nothing was ever done. And then his mom is shocked that he would do something like what he did. GTFOH!!!

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Would you be in favor of legislation allowing local law enforcement to remove weapons from people's homes if a medical professional said that person was a danger to themselves and/or others?

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I could see an argument both ways. Not to avoid an answer. But, I would argue no if the individual would seek the appropriate help in a facility if deemed necessary. If they refused then, well we have an issue.

The problem as always in these scenarios is who decides the parameters.

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So you don't believe the Uvalde terrorist should have his weapons removed from his home?

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I believe in this case he should've never been able to get them to begin with. I believe his prior incidences a a minor were never reported properly. If they had, he shouldn't have been able to get them.

Also, where does an 18 yr old working at Wendy's get the money to buy the amount of weaponry he had?

ETA: I'm saying that prior to the incident. After what happened, hell yes!

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BBW12OG said:

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Visual aid for all to explain...

Source ... you look these up per year at https://t.co/tZIVjJnbWj

— Catturd ™ (@catturd2) May 26, 2022

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BBW12OG said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Ground_Chuck said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Ground_Chuck said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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This is a big problem for me when it comes to these instances. There were so many red flags prior to these events, but nothing was done or things were ignored. We have to change this. It goes back to my earlier post about parenting, discipline, mental health in our society today.

I'll share a story that's makes this hit close to home. My wife has been an elementary school teacher for about 25 years. About 2 months ago, a kid in the school posted a TikTok video talking about going to the school and killing everyone, with a slide show including pics of classmates and teachers. The video was seen by another student and reported by their parent to the school. It was then reported to the school district and the police, where it was handled from there.

When the parents were made aware of the issue, their first question was how and why did the elementary school get involved in this. Not a concern for who was threatened, why did their kid do this. No, why was his school involved. Another example of turning the cheek from the actual problem.

So, then comes the school district trial. The parents of course claimed he was just joking. Sure! They also said he was ADHD and prone to impulsive behavior. So, the district asks the kid, how did you get the pictures. His response, I took screen shots of everyone on his Chrome Book, emailed them to himself, and then made the video at home. So not impulsive behavior, but completely pre-meditated. The parents went on to say that the teachers didn't like him and were just out to get him. The principle presented a folder an inch thick of issues that have presented with this kid in 1 year.

I go back to what I said earlier. We have a serious issue with our young kids and young adults in how they are being raised. There is no discipline, no parenting, no accountability, and no teaching of right and wrong. We continue to not punish people when they do wrong. We look the other way because we excuse their upbringing or situation. Or, we just ignore the fact that there is evidently a problem.

You talk to any school teacher and with a pretty high percentage of accuracy, they can tell you what kind of adult each kid is going to grow into. All while their hands are tied by bad parents and bureaucracy from trying to do right by these kids. So, when these same kids turn around and create these horrific scenes year after year, our first response is to blame the gun.

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Dayum. Elementary aged. How does it happen so soon.

100% agree parenting is an issue:

• poor kids with one parent
• rich kids with parents who are absent in a different way
• parents try to attack anyone who dares to say little Johnny messed up

My kids went to a high performing HS, where all the kids are college-bound, and I've heard all kinds of stories of parents justify bad behavior to avoid derailing that path.

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To add to the situation, the kid prior to this had told other kids that when he was older he was going to come back and shoot up the school. How does that make any of the teachers in the school feel when the potential ongoing threat is there, and nothing will be done about it? Parents said he was just joking.

The kid in Uvalde was said to go around and shoot random people with a BB gun and put in boxing gloves and punch people in the neighborhood. But, nothing was ever done. And then his mom is shocked that he would do something like what he did. GTFOH!!!

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Would you be in favor of legislation allowing local law enforcement to remove weapons from people's homes if a medical professional said that person was a danger to themselves and/or others?

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I could see an argument both ways. Not to avoid an answer. But, I would argue no if the individual would seek the appropriate help in a facility if deemed necessary. If they refused then, well we have an issue.

The problem as always in these scenarios is who decides the parameters.

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So you don't believe the Uvalde terrorist should have his weapons removed from his home?

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I believe in this case he should've never been able to get them to begin with. I believe his prior incidences a a minor were never reported properly. If they had, he shouldn't have been able to get them.

Also, where does an 18 yr old working at Wendy's get the money to buy the amount of weaponry he had?

ETA: I'm saying that prior to the incident. After what happened, hell yes!

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Exactly...

Where did he get the money? Wendy's??? Come on....

Not to mention the fact the kid had issues. The local LEOs had information on him. The same ones that showed their true colors when the **** hit the fan.

It's one thing to have the role of being a First Responder. It's another thing to actually do it.

Again... we have laws. Enforce them and make sure the people that are in charge of doing so are able and willing.

Would be interesting to know the voting block in that area. Just saying.....

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hokiewolf said:

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BBW12OG said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Ground_Chuck said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Ground_Chuck said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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This is a big problem for me when it comes to these instances. There were so many red flags prior to these events, but nothing was done or things were ignored. We have to change this. It goes back to my earlier post about parenting, discipline, mental health in our society today.

I'll share a story that's makes this hit close to home. My wife has been an elementary school teacher for about 25 years. About 2 months ago, a kid in the school posted a TikTok video talking about going to the school and killing everyone, with a slide show including pics of classmates and teachers. The video was seen by another student and reported by their parent to the school. It was then reported to the school district and the police, where it was handled from there.

When the parents were made aware of the issue, their first question was how and why did the elementary school get involved in this. Not a concern for who was threatened, why did their kid do this. No, why was his school involved. Another example of turning the cheek from the actual problem.

So, then comes the school district trial. The parents of course claimed he was just joking. Sure! They also said he was ADHD and prone to impulsive behavior. So, the district asks the kid, how did you get the pictures. His response, I took screen shots of everyone on his Chrome Book, emailed them to himself, and then made the video at home. So not impulsive behavior, but completely pre-meditated. The parents went on to say that the teachers didn't like him and were just out to get him. The principle presented a folder an inch thick of issues that have presented with this kid in 1 year.

I go back to what I said earlier. We have a serious issue with our young kids and young adults in how they are being raised. There is no discipline, no parenting, no accountability, and no teaching of right and wrong. We continue to not punish people when they do wrong. We look the other way because we excuse their upbringing or situation. Or, we just ignore the fact that there is evidently a problem.

You talk to any school teacher and with a pretty high percentage of accuracy, they can tell you what kind of adult each kid is going to grow into. All while their hands are tied by bad parents and bureaucracy from trying to do right by these kids. So, when these same kids turn around and create these horrific scenes year after year, our first response is to blame the gun.

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Dayum. Elementary aged. How does it happen so soon.

100% agree parenting is an issue:

• poor kids with one parent
• rich kids with parents who are absent in a different way
• parents try to attack anyone who dares to say little Johnny messed up

My kids went to a high performing HS, where all the kids are college-bound, and I've heard all kinds of stories of parents justify bad behavior to avoid derailing that path.

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To add to the situation, the kid prior to this had told other kids that when he was older he was going to come back and shoot up the school. How does that make any of the teachers in the school feel when the potential ongoing threat is there, and nothing will be done about it? Parents said he was just joking.

The kid in Uvalde was said to go around and shoot random people with a BB gun and put in boxing gloves and punch people in the neighborhood. But, nothing was ever done. And then his mom is shocked that he would do something like what he did. GTFOH!!!

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Would you be in favor of legislation allowing local law enforcement to remove weapons from people's homes if a medical professional said that person was a danger to themselves and/or others?

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I could see an argument both ways. Not to avoid an answer. But, I would argue no if the individual would seek the appropriate help in a facility if deemed necessary. If they refused then, well we have an issue.

The problem as always in these scenarios is who decides the parameters.

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So you don't believe the Uvalde terrorist should have his weapons removed from his home?

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I believe in this case he should've never been able to get them to begin with. I believe his prior incidences a a minor were never reported properly. If they had, he shouldn't have been able to get them.

Also, where does an 18 yr old working at Wendy's get the money to buy the amount of weaponry he had?

ETA: I'm saying that prior to the incident. After what happened, hell yes!

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Exactly...

Where did he get the money? Wendy's??? Come on....

Not to mention the fact the kid had issues. The local LEOs had information on him. The same ones that showed their true colors when the **** hit the fan.

It's one thing to have the role of being a First Responder. It's another thing to actually do it.

Again... we have laws. Enforce them and make sure the people that are in charge of doing so are able and willing.

Would be interesting to know the voting block in that area. Just saying.....

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Yeah that's the ticket BBW. Congrats on this thought! Absolutely these kids deserved what they got if their community voted for the wrong political party.

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BBW12OG said:

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hokiewolf said:

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BBW12OG said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Ground_Chuck said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Ground_Chuck said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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This is a big problem for me when it comes to these instances. There were so many red flags prior to these events, but nothing was done or things were ignored. We have to change this. It goes back to my earlier post about parenting, discipline, mental health in our society today.

I'll share a story that's makes this hit close to home. My wife has been an elementary school teacher for about 25 years. About 2 months ago, a kid in the school posted a TikTok video talking about going to the school and killing everyone, with a slide show including pics of classmates and teachers. The video was seen by another student and reported by their parent to the school. It was then reported to the school district and the police, where it was handled from there.

When the parents were made aware of the issue, their first question was how and why did the elementary school get involved in this. Not a concern for who was threatened, why did their kid do this. No, why was his school involved. Another example of turning the cheek from the actual problem.

So, then comes the school district trial. The parents of course claimed he was just joking. Sure! They also said he was ADHD and prone to impulsive behavior. So, the district asks the kid, how did you get the pictures. His response, I took screen shots of everyone on his Chrome Book, emailed them to himself, and then made the video at home. So not impulsive behavior, but completely pre-meditated. The parents went on to say that the teachers didn't like him and were just out to get him. The principle presented a folder an inch thick of issues that have presented with this kid in 1 year.

I go back to what I said earlier. We have a serious issue with our young kids and young adults in how they are being raised. There is no discipline, no parenting, no accountability, and no teaching of right and wrong. We continue to not punish people when they do wrong. We look the other way because we excuse their upbringing or situation. Or, we just ignore the fact that there is evidently a problem.

You talk to any school teacher and with a pretty high percentage of accuracy, they can tell you what kind of adult each kid is going to grow into. All while their hands are tied by bad parents and bureaucracy from trying to do right by these kids. So, when these same kids turn around and create these horrific scenes year after year, our first response is to blame the gun.

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Dayum. Elementary aged. How does it happen so soon.

100% agree parenting is an issue:

• poor kids with one parent
• rich kids with parents who are absent in a different way
• parents try to attack anyone who dares to say little Johnny messed up

My kids went to a high performing HS, where all the kids are college-bound, and I've heard all kinds of stories of parents justify bad behavior to avoid derailing that path.

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To add to the situation, the kid prior to this had told other kids that when he was older he was going to come back and shoot up the school. How does that make any of the teachers in the school feel when the potential ongoing threat is there, and nothing will be done about it? Parents said he was just joking.

The kid in Uvalde was said to go around and shoot random people with a BB gun and put in boxing gloves and punch people in the neighborhood. But, nothing was ever done. And then his mom is shocked that he would do something like what he did. GTFOH!!!

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Would you be in favor of legislation allowing local law enforcement to remove weapons from people's homes if a medical professional said that person was a danger to themselves and/or others?

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I could see an argument both ways. Not to avoid an answer. But, I would argue no if the individual would seek the appropriate help in a facility if deemed necessary. If they refused then, well we have an issue.

The problem as always in these scenarios is who decides the parameters.

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So you don't believe the Uvalde terrorist should have his weapons removed from his home?

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I believe in this case he should've never been able to get them to begin with. I believe his prior incidences a a minor were never reported properly. If they had, he shouldn't have been able to get them.

Also, where does an 18 yr old working at Wendy's get the money to buy the amount of weaponry he had?

ETA: I'm saying that prior to the incident. After what happened, hell yes!

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Exactly...

Where did he get the money? Wendy's??? Come on....

Not to mention the fact the kid had issues. The local LEOs had information on him. The same ones that showed their true colors when the **** hit the fan.

It's one thing to have the role of being a First Responder. It's another thing to actually do it.

Again... we have laws. Enforce them and make sure the people that are in charge of doing so are able and willing.

Would be interesting to know the voting block in that area. Just saying.....

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Yeah that's the ticket BBW. Congrats on this thought! Absolutely these kids deserved what they got if their community voted for the wrong political party.

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You are approaching Chem's level of intelligence if you think that.

Keep doing you..... Never fails does it?

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BBW12OG said:

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Again... deflection.

Trophies for all....

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hokiewolf said:

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BBW12OG said:

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Again... deflection.

Trophies for all....

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you're the guy deflecting. Also same guy who brow beat another poster because he made a dumb joke.

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dogplasma said:

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Short of banning guns outright, which is fantasy, I don't know what gets us out of this bloody cycle, but I'm sure it's not any single thing. I'd like to see funding for more school security for certain. Universal background checks seem like a good idea on the face of it, although I don't know all the wrinkles. Better access to mental health care seems essential. Outlawing assault rifles, semiautomatics, and large magazines seems like a no brainer. Whatever the answer is, it isn't what we're doing now.

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dogplasma said:

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Outlawing assault rifles, semiautomatics, and large magazines seems like a no brainer.

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packgrad said:

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dogplasma said:

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Outlawing assault rifles, semiautomatics, and large magazines seems like a no brainer.

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Will never happen, nor should it. I would certainly never turn mine in. Perhaps you just don't know what you're talking about as it pertains to guns, but this 100% is they're coming for your guns. Would do zero to curb these things from happening. Would be one of those feel good to the left gestures that just does nothing at best or makes things worse.

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hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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dogplasma said:

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Outlawing assault rifles, semiautomatics, and large magazines seems like a no brainer.

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Will never happen, nor should it. I would certainly never turn mine in. Perhaps you just don't know what you're talking about as it pertains to guns, but this 100% is they're coming for your guns. Would do zero to curb these things from happening. Would be one of those feel good to the left gestures that just does nothing at best or makes things worse.

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I agree with you here. There are too many guns in circulation now both legally and illegally for any sort of gun ban to work. Where I would compromise would be the discontinuation of sale of large magazines. That I'd be willing to listen to. That would potentially have an impact to maybe save a life.

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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dogplasma said:

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Outlawing assault rifles, semiautomatics, and large magazines seems like a no brainer.

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Will never happen, nor should it. I would certainly never turn mine in. Perhaps you just don't know what you're talking about as it pertains to guns, but this 100% is they're coming for your guns. Would do zero to curb these things from happening. Would be one of those feel good to the left gestures that just does nothing at best or makes things worse.

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I agree with you here. There are too many guns in circulation now both legally and illegally for any sort of gun ban to work. Where I would compromise would be the discontinuation of sale of large magazines. That I'd be willing to listen to. That would potentially have an impact to maybe save a life.

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I would be at the Gun Store as soon as this legislation started gaining momentum.

Buy, Buy, Buy!!!

I have three 30 round magazines for my AR15. They don't last forever; so, I would want more, just for reserve. Not that I'm carrying a bunch of magazines with me. In fact, when I do go to the range, I never take multiple magazines for my rifle. When it come to my pistols, I do keep multiple magazines with me. I always have a magazine loaded with Critical Defense ammo for my Hellcat (everyday carry and soon to be my conceal carry). Other magazines are for range shooting, not loaded and stored.

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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dogplasma said:

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Outlawing assault rifles, semiautomatics, and large magazines seems like a no brainer.

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Will never happen, nor should it. I would certainly never turn mine in. Perhaps you just don't know what you're talking about as it pertains to guns, but this 100% is they're coming for your guns. Would do zero to curb these things from happening. Would be one of those feel good to the left gestures that just does nothing at best or makes things worse.

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I agree with you here. There are too many guns in circulation now both legally and illegally for any sort of gun ban to work. Where I would compromise would be the discontinuation of sale of large magazines. That I'd be willing to listen to. That would potentially have an impact to maybe save a life.

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I would be at the Gun Store as soon as this legislation started gaining momentum.

Buy, Buy, Buy!!!

I have three 30 round magazines for my AR15. They don't last forever; so, I would want more, just for reserve. Not that I'm carrying a bunch of magazines with me. In fact, when I do go to the range, I never take multiple magazines for my rifle. When it come to my pistols, I do keep multiple magazines with me. I always have a magazine loaded with Critical Defense ammo for my Hellcat (everyday carry and soon to be my conceal carry). Other magazines are for range shooting, not loaded and stored.

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what's the point of having a 30 round magazine? This isn't 'Nam.

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packgrad said:

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Now it's the scary 30 round mag.

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packgrad said:

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Now it's the scary 30 round mag.

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packgrad said:

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Now it's the scary 30 round mag.

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