BBW12OG said:

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Buying and owning guns is every law abiding citizens' rights as Americans.

You take the illegally purchased guns away from the criminals first and then we can discuss taking mine. But you don't want to piss off your voting base do you now?

Until then...go pound sand.

*and yes I paraphrased a Charlie Daniels song! He'd be called a racist by our resident racist on this board.

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I love CDB. I don't know much about his beliefs, but if he said the following, I'd wonder about him. Sometimes, people are what their words say they are. Especially if he said no way a kid could have been indoctrinated by bad people on the internet and targeted a bunch of black people....it had to be a government film to stir up unrest. Yeah, you couple those things along with other observations of posts over the years, and its a very reasonable conclusion. You don't have to wear a hood

You know what makes places like Guatemala, Mexico, and South America so dangerous? The "type" of people who live there. And now we are importing tens of millions of those people here. THAT is the reason that so much of America is becoming crime-infested and dangerous

I, along with 1/2 my class in high school had gun racks in our trucks. We would hunt in the mornings before going to school. I graduated HS in 1991 from a school in the Piedmont close enough to the Eastern NC Deer Season so from mid-October through Christmas Break you could find upwards of 100+ guns on campus every day.

We never shot anyone. Coincidence? Please tell me what changed.

Also, we damn sure didn't have the drug issues in school that are in the damn middle schools today.

Breakdown of the nuclear family, social media and the dehumanization of human life and telling every kid they are perfect are the root causes.

Prove me wrong.

Packchem91 said:

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BBW12OG said:

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Buying and owning guns is every law abiding citizens' rights as Americans.

You take the illegally purchased guns away from the criminals first and then we can discuss taking mine. But you don't want to piss off your voting base do you now?

Until then...go pound sand.

*and yes I paraphrased a Charlie Daniels song! He'd be called a racist by our resident racist on this board.

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I love CDB. I don't know much about his beliefs, but if he said the following, I'd wonder about him. Sometimes, people are what their words say they are. Especially if he said no way a kid could have been indoctrinated by bad people on the internet and targeted a bunch of black people....it had to be a government film to stir up unrest. Yeah, you couple those things along with other observations of posts over the years, and its a very reasonable conclusion. You don't have to wear a hood

You know what makes places like Guatemala, Mexico, and South America so dangerous? The "type" of people who live there. And now we are importing tens of millions of those people here. THAT is the reason that so much of America is becoming crime-infested and dangerous

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And from that post you being a race baiting PO crap comes full circle.

Enjoy...

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I talked to my wife after she got to work. She said that the school and the teachers have a certain calmness about the safety there. As stated earlier, all the doors are locked, from the outside. People are not getting in (easily).

BTW, she took her cannon with her. It's in the classroom waiting for any intruder...

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I've been meaning to ask since i saw this....when did it become legal to carry weapons onto school property? I knew there had been some talk about legislation, but thought it was still only resource officers and a few other very special use cases

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They passed that law, in NC, back in 1794!

Dear Leader has weighed in......Glad to see he really cares about the United States of America....

As we grieve the children of Uvalde today, we should take time to recognize that two years have passed since the murder of George Floyd under the knee of a police officer. His killing stays with us all to this day, especially those who loved him.

— Barack Obama (@BarackObama) May 25, 2022

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My last post on the Texas school shooting yesterday. I'm mad that 19 kids and 2 adults lost their lives yesterday. Their photos are online. Go look at them. Then go look at your kids and just for a minute imagine if this happened in their school. Then hug them and tell them you love them. Hopefully tomorrow it won't be their schools turn

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Glass, I get it! My daughter rides the Q Train in NYC everyday. That's the same train that had an incident recently. So yes, I can't imagine that happening to my daughter. I called her today to let her know I love her.

This is so sad for the families in Texas, no doubt. I just don't think people are being rational about real solutions. Also, I wish we would let all the facts get out before the radicals (on both sides) start the politicking…

Typically, the radicals will start with gun laws, then the other radicals and non-radicals try to defend the 2nd amendment. We don't have enough facts to cast any real judgement.

Radicals starting with gun laws puts everyone else on the defensive and then it just goes to hell from there. I wish the radicals, that start with gun laws, would just shut the hell up for a moment and see this issue to full understanding. Then, we can hopefully have meaningful possible discussion to help with this incident.

People like Chem just can't help themselves!

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LOL, the guy who was gleeful this morning to have a bunch of people posting and debating (you have to turn lemons into lemonade, right?) is whining about others opinions on the topic is hilarious.

There are really 2 non-rational thoughts on this topic right now:
1) take all guns away --- I've not seen a single point on this thread even remotely suggest this
2) don't you dare prevent me from getting more guns -- this has been posted numerous times including by you.
But I know as you've posted before...you don't believe in compromise.

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Chem, you are one butt hurt person, it appears…

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Packchem91 said:

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caryking said:

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I talked to my wife after she got to work. She said that the school and the teachers have a certain calmness about the safety there. As stated earlier, all the doors are locked, from the outside. People are not getting in (easily).

BTW, she took her cannon with her. It's in the classroom waiting for any intruder...

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I've been meaning to ask since i saw this....when did it become legal to carry weapons onto school property? I knew there had been some talk about legislation, but thought it was still only resource officers and a few other very special use cases

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They passed that law, in NC, back in 1794!

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The Heller case was in 2008 and the McDonald in 2010. That's what you're thinking about, not the amendment about well regulated militias.

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Packchem91 said:

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caryking said:

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I talked to my wife after she got to work. She said that the school and the teachers have a certain calmness about the safety there. As stated earlier, all the doors are locked, from the outside. People are not getting in (easily).

BTW, she took her cannon with her. It's in the classroom waiting for any intruder...

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I've been meaning to ask since i saw this....when did it become legal to carry weapons onto school property? I knew there had been some talk about legislation, but thought it was still only resource officers and a few other very special use cases

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They passed that law, in NC, back in 1794!

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interesting --- i had read there was legislation after Parkland to allow teachers to carry but it never came final...only if locked in the glove compartment.

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Packchem91 said:

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caryking said:

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Glasswolf said:

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My last post on the Texas school shooting yesterday. I'm mad that 19 kids and 2 adults lost their lives yesterday. Their photos are online. Go look at them. Then go look at your kids and just for a minute imagine if this happened in their school. Then hug them and tell them you love them. Hopefully tomorrow it won't be their schools turn

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Glass, I get it! My daughter rides the Q Train in NYC everyday. That's the same train that had an incident recently. So yes, I can't imagine that happening to my daughter. I called her today to let her know I love her.

This is so sad for the families in Texas, no doubt. I just don't think people are being rational about real solutions. Also, I wish we would let all the facts get out before the radicals (on both sides) start the politicking…

Typically, the radicals will start with gun laws, then the other radicals and non-radicals try to defend the 2nd amendment. We don't have enough facts to cast any real judgement.

Radicals starting with gun laws puts everyone else on the defensive and then it just goes to hell from there. I wish the radicals, that start with gun laws, would just shut the hell up for a moment and see this issue to full understanding. Then, we can hopefully have meaningful possible discussion to help with this incident.

People like Chem just can't help themselves!

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LOL, the guy who was gleeful this morning to have a bunch of people posting and debating (you have to turn lemons into lemonade, right?) is whining about others opinions on the topic is hilarious.

There are really 2 non-rational thoughts on this topic right now:
1) take all guns away --- I've not seen a single point on this thread even remotely suggest this
2) don't you dare prevent me from getting more guns -- this has been posted numerous times including by you.
But I know as you've posted before...you don't believe in compromise.

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Chem, you are one butt hurt person, it appears…

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We probably all should be after yesterday.

But, I'm also right in what i say above.....at least any reasonable person would think so. The fringes, probably not.

I've probably missed it, but where were this kid's parents? I know he lived with his grandparents. And sounds like, at least at the end, didn't like them applying any discipline.

**Whatever I think about the problems that the proliferation of guns enables....this is going to be one of those stories where everyone wonders how no one saw this coming....or did, but did nothing (or could not do anything) about it, isn't it

What you and the left that always makes knee jerk reactions should do is wait until the facts come out before you start clamoring for the 2nd Amendment to be repealed, guns to be confiscated and banned and anyone that has ever voted GOP be thrown in jail for not caring about people of color and kids.

But you won't. This thread was started with a sick joke and it has devolved from there.

Funny, I'm still waiting on all of the concerned threads and posts from the mass shootings that occur nightly in left run cities. Why do those not warrant demands for the abolishment of the 2nd Amendment? Where is the liberal outrage when gangs are shooting each other by the dozens monthly?

Oh... and by the way, it is an election year. You better get your "peaceful protesting squads" round up. I hear y'all are going to target the abortion issue this year? Are you going to destroy and burn Babies'R'Us this year since it looks like Best Buys'", "Targets'" and "T-Mobiles'" are not relevant to your disenfranchised participants.
Oh... I'm guessing "Sally Beauty Supply" will also be a target so they can keep their pink, blue, green hair dyed bright so they can be seen when they do interviews with MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS and NBC....

Libs gonna Lib.

https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-44a7cfb990feaa6ffe482483df6e4683

" UVALDE, Texas (AP) Frustrated onlookers urged police officers to charge into the Texas elementary school where a gunman's rampage killed 19 children and two teachers, witnesses said Wednesday, as investigators worked to track the massacre that lasted upwards of 40 minutes and ended when the 18-year-old shooter was killed by a Border Patrol team."

NEVER LET A GOOD CRISIS GO TO WASTE, Rahm Emanuel

Seeing Beto O'Roarke grandstanding at the Governor's press conference with the grieving families
Seeing CCP Spy tool Swalwell making a plea for gun control and suggests all school children are in peril
Seeing fat a$$ Commie Michael Moore urging repeal of the 2nd amendment


THE PLAYBOOK

You seem to ignore two things here:

1. No one on this thread said anything of the like regarding your first paragraph

2. Your question about why threads aren't started when gang shootings happen has been answered numerous times by a few people.

What's interesting about your point is that it's a non sequitur fallacy. The two aren't correlated but you constantly beat this drum and try and make a correlation.

There are existing gun laws and criminal statutes that deal with shootings related to criminal activity and gang violence. Clearly, banning gun types and everything tried in these cities has not curbed the violence. The symptoms are being treated but the illness hasn't been diagnosed.

With mass shootings in schools, I'm sorry to say because the street violence has occurred for so long, it doesn't make the news anymore but these school shootings do because they are abhorrent and the true definition of evil. It is a sad state of affairs that 20-30 people shot in a weekend in Chicago doesn't move the needle anymore. I don't know what to tell you other than most are numb to the violence.

I hope and pray that you never have anyone you knew and spent meaningful, impactful time on this earth be a victim of a mass shooting, because I can tell you it's extremely painful. Two of my professors were killed at Virginia Tech. Every time another one of these school shootings happens it brings me back to 2007.

There has to be a middle ground where we can figure out something to try and prevent these mass shootings. Again, I agree with you, the gun is a symptom, not the diagnosis. But we've got to figure out a way how we can make an attempt to try and stop these shootings. Freedom to own guns is something I agree with, but the killing of innocent lives, children over and over and over has to at some point be too much for a pure 2nd Amendment right with out some slight impingement. I don't think it's too much to ask to have elected officials sit down together, take all the information on, and have a rigorous debate and a practical solution where both sides have some give and take.

There's no Panchaea magic legislation that is ever going to prevent mass school shootings. But if well crafted, thought out legislation can be brought forth and it prevents even one of these events occurring, then that's a win. I'd like to have that happen before we to become numb to elementary students being murdered at schools.

BBW12OG said:

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Dear Leader has weighed in......Glad to see he really cares about the United States of America....

As we grieve the children of Uvalde today, we should take time to recognize that two years have passed since the murder of George Floyd under the knee of a police officer. His killing stays with us all to this day, especially those who loved him.

— Barack Obama (@BarackObama) May 25, 2022

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Shameful...

hokiewolf said:

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You seem to ignore two things here:

1. No one on this thread said anything of the like regarding your first paragraph

2. Your question about why threads aren't started when gang shootings happen has been answered numerous times by a few people.

What's interesting about your point is that it's a non sequitur fallacy. The two aren't correlated but you constantly beat this drum and try and make a correlation.

There are existing gun laws and criminal statutes that deal with shootings related to criminal activity and gang violence. Clearly, banning gun types and everything tried in these cities has not curbed the violence. The symptoms are being treated but the illness hasn't been diagnosed.

With mass shootings in schools, I'm sorry to say because the street violence has occurred for so long, it doesn't make the news anymore but these school shootings do because they are abhorrent and the true definition of evil. It is a sad state of affairs that 20-30 people shot in a weekend in Chicago doesn't move the needle anymore. I don't know what to tell you other than most are numb to the violence.

I hope and pray that you never have anyone you knew and spent meaningful, impactful time on this earth be a victim of a mass shooting, because I can tell you it's extremely painful. Two of my professors were killed at Virginia Tech. Every time another one of these school shootings happens it brings me back to 2007.

There has to be a middle ground where we can figure out something to try and prevent these mass shootings. Again, I agree with you, the gun is a symptom, not the diagnosis. But we've got to figure out a way how we can make an attempt to try and stop these shootings. Freedom to own guns is something I agree with, but the killing of innocent lives, children over and over and over has to at some point be too much for a pure 2nd Amendment right with out some slight impingement. I don't think it's too much to ask to have elected officials sit down together, take all the information on, and have a rigorous debate and a practical solution where both sides have some give and take.

There's no Panchaea magic legislation that is ever going to prevent mass school shootings. But if well crafted, thought out legislation can be brought forth and it prevents even one of these events occurring, then that's a win. I'd like to have that happen before we to become numb to elementary students being murdered at schools.

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So what's your "well crafted, thought out legislation?"

Where does it start?

When do you get the guns out of the hands of the gangs?

How do you do that?

This shows the "trophies for everyone" generation thinks that all you have to do is make suggestions and rainbows and butterflies suddenly appear.

Have you ever considered that the crimes being committed by criminals are crimes?

How many law abiding gun owners have committed crimes?

I bet $1 dollar you can't define what a so-called "assault weapon" is. Or at least what the party you support refers to an "assault weapon" is vs. what it really is.

Visual appearance does not make a gun an assault weapon.

I'll hang up an listen.

BBW12OG said:

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hokiewolf said:

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You seem to ignore two things here:

1. No one on this thread said anything of the like regarding your first paragraph

2. Your question about why threads aren't started when gang shootings happen has been answered numerous times by a few people.

What's interesting about your point is that it's a non sequitur fallacy. The two aren't correlated but you constantly beat this drum and try and make a correlation.

There are existing gun laws and criminal statutes that deal with shootings related to criminal activity and gang violence. Clearly, banning gun types and everything tried in these cities has not curbed the violence. The symptoms are being treated but the illness hasn't been diagnosed.

With mass shootings in schools, I'm sorry to say because the street violence has occurred for so long, it doesn't make the news anymore but these school shootings do because they are abhorrent and the true definition of evil. It is a sad state of affairs that 20-30 people shot in a weekend in Chicago doesn't move the needle anymore. I don't know what to tell you other than most are numb to the violence.

I hope and pray that you never have anyone you knew and spent meaningful, impactful time on this earth be a victim of a mass shooting, because I can tell you it's extremely painful. Two of my professors were killed at Virginia Tech. Every time another one of these school shootings happens it brings me back to 2007.

There has to be a middle ground where we can figure out something to try and prevent these mass shootings. Again, I agree with you, the gun is a symptom, not the diagnosis. But we've got to figure out a way how we can make an attempt to try and stop these shootings. Freedom to own guns is something I agree with, but the killing of innocent lives, children over and over and over has to at some point be too much for a pure 2nd Amendment right with out some slight impingement. I don't think it's too much to ask to have elected officials sit down together, take all the information on, and have a rigorous debate and a practical solution where both sides have some give and take.

There's no Panchaea magic legislation that is ever going to prevent mass school shootings. But if well crafted, thought out legislation can be brought forth and it prevents even one of these events occurring, then that's a win. I'd like to have that happen before we to become numb to elementary students being murdered at schools.

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So what's your "well crafted, thought out legislation?"

Where does it start?

When do you get the guns out of the hands of the gangs?

How do you do that?

This shows the "trophies for everyone" generation thinks that all you have to do is make suggestions and rainbows and butterflies suddenly appear.

Have you ever considered that the crimes being committed by criminals are crimes?

How many law abiding gun owners have committed crimes?

I bet $1 dollar you can't define what a so-called "assault weapon" is. Or at least what the party you support refers to an "assault weapon" is vs. what it really is.

Visual appearance does not make a gun an assault weapon.

I'll hang up an listen.

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your lack of any empathy whatsoever is staggering.

I've repeatedly said that bans on guns don't work. I don't understand why you can't get that trough your thick head BBW.

I don't know what the answer is, and I don't want to jump to a bad solution because of emotion. I posted commentary earlier on red flag laws. Guess you didn't read that either because it doesn't fit your post template.

hokiewolf said:

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BBW12OG said:

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hokiewolf said:

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You seem to ignore two things here:

1. No one on this thread said anything of the like regarding your first paragraph

2. Your question about why threads aren't started when gang shootings happen has been answered numerous times by a few people.

What's interesting about your point is that it's a non sequitur fallacy. The two aren't correlated but you constantly beat this drum and try and make a correlation.

There are existing gun laws and criminal statutes that deal with shootings related to criminal activity and gang violence. Clearly, banning gun types and everything tried in these cities has not curbed the violence. The symptoms are being treated but the illness hasn't been diagnosed.

With mass shootings in schools, I'm sorry to say because the street violence has occurred for so long, it doesn't make the news anymore but these school shootings do because they are abhorrent and the true definition of evil. It is a sad state of affairs that 20-30 people shot in a weekend in Chicago doesn't move the needle anymore. I don't know what to tell you other than most are numb to the violence.

I hope and pray that you never have anyone you knew and spent meaningful, impactful time on this earth be a victim of a mass shooting, because I can tell you it's extremely painful. Two of my professors were killed at Virginia Tech. Every time another one of these school shootings happens it brings me back to 2007.

There has to be a middle ground where we can figure out something to try and prevent these mass shootings. Again, I agree with you, the gun is a symptom, not the diagnosis. But we've got to figure out a way how we can make an attempt to try and stop these shootings. Freedom to own guns is something I agree with, but the killing of innocent lives, children over and over and over has to at some point be too much for a pure 2nd Amendment right with out some slight impingement. I don't think it's too much to ask to have elected officials sit down together, take all the information on, and have a rigorous debate and a practical solution where both sides have some give and take.

There's no Panchaea magic legislation that is ever going to prevent mass school shootings. But if well crafted, thought out legislation can be brought forth and it prevents even one of these events occurring, then that's a win. I'd like to have that happen before we to become numb to elementary students being murdered at schools.

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So what's your "well crafted, thought out legislation?"

Where does it start?

When do you get the guns out of the hands of the gangs?

How do you do that?

This shows the "trophies for everyone" generation thinks that all you have to do is make suggestions and rainbows and butterflies suddenly appear.

Have you ever considered that the crimes being committed by criminals are crimes?

How many law abiding gun owners have committed crimes?

I bet $1 dollar you can't define what a so-called "assault weapon" is. Or at least what the party you support refers to an "assault weapon" is vs. what it really is.

Visual appearance does not make a gun an assault weapon.

I'll hang up an listen.

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your lack of any empathy whatsoever is staggering.

I've repeatedly said that bans on guns don't work. I don't understand why you can't get that trough your thick head BBW.

I don't know what the answer is, and I don't want to jump to a bad solution because of emotion. I posted commentary earlier on red flag laws. Guess you didn't read that either because it doesn't fit your post template.

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My thick head is empathetic to the victims of ALL shootings. Is yours?

I asked you to explain your plain. You failed, as always, to answer the questions. You can't.

Like the knee jerk reaction from the party you claim you don't support but espouse their ideologies you just read out talking points.

Here's an idea or two:

• enforce the laws on the books
• make the liberal District Attorneys follow the laws and enforce the laws rather than releasing criminals back on the streets
• FUND the police and give them what they need
• monitor social media from an unbiased standpoint
• get rid of the psychologist and the feel good idiots that testify that the kid who kills animals "has a chance and should be nurtured" He needs help. Put him in a hospital.
• Open up Dorthea Dix, Butner, etc.... we need those places regardless of how bad they were, we can make them habitable. People who are sick shouldn't be in public
• Put an emphasis on core family values instead of teaching 150 different sexes, 287 orientations, making every damn left wing liberal cause a "National Emergency" isn't working
• Fire every damn teacher that ignores a kid that draws pictures of killing, puts an emphasis on his/her political agenda, make sure they follow the actual standard course of study and not a liberal agenda
• stop coddling every damn whiny ass parent and if they push back call the LEO, local News and take videos of them being *******s
• Ask every damn teacher to show me a rooster that can lay an egg. I would start the conversation with each of of them that claim to be "educated" with that question

Now you tell me your solutions.

Looks like the police were told to "stand down."

Shooter was in there for 1.5 hours......

Breaking.....

So I'm Parkland and here there were cops there who did nothing. Aren't you all saying more security is the solution?

The Texas officials have glossed over this, but by their account, the gunman was first spotted outside the school by an armed school resource officer who did not fire at him, but instead confronted him and “followed him in” to the school. That needs to be explained.

— Ken Dilanian (@KenDilanianNBC) May 25, 2022

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So I'm Parkland and here there were cops there who did nothing. Aren't you all saying more security is the solution?

The Texas officials have glossed over this, but by their account, the gunman was first spotted outside the school by an armed school resource officer who did not fire at him, but instead confronted him and “followed him in” to the school. That needs to be explained.

— Ken Dilanian (@KenDilanianNBC) May 25, 2022

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I would delete that if I were you....

You can leave this up.... but I would delete that.

If the presence of an armed guard trained in taking down threats who then stands there and fails to do his job to protect children doesn't anger you, then you have to ask yourself some serious questions.

If you read hokie's link on red flag laws, you should have noticed the plan included increased security on all school grounds as step two on the list. Of course, the plan assumed the police officers were competent and not cowardly.

statefan91 said:

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So I'm Parkland and here there were cops there who did nothing. Aren't you all saying more security is the solution?

The Texas officials have glossed over this, but by their account, the gunman was first spotted outside the school by an armed school resource officer who did not fire at him, but instead confronted him and “followed him in” to the school. That needs to be explained.

— Ken Dilanian (@KenDilanianNBC) May 25, 2022

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What are you saying is the solution?

"The logical impulse for those of us who defend private gun ownership is to avoid such discussions altogether, to let the passions settle. But it’s more important than ever to present our position with clear-eyed resolve."
My latest @dcexaminer. https://t.co/OES7s3GmY0

— Ilya Shapiro (@ishapiro) May 25, 2022

The cops stood down and allowed this to happen...

Cops stood outside the school while the killer rampaged inside.

Onlookers yelled at them to go in. They didn’t. One parent urged bystanders:

“Let’s just rush in because the cops aren’t doing anything like they are supposed to.” @AP story: https://t.co/l2CqPCzmAf

— Andy Specht (@AndySpecht) May 26, 2022

Fraudulently "elected" kid sniffer commie in Chief once again says AR-15s and semi-automatic rifles should be banned:

The idea that an 18-year-old can walk into a store and buy assault weapons is just wrong.

What in God’s name do you need an assault weapon for except to kill someone?

— President Biden (@POTUS) May 25, 2022

But remember boys and girls..."no one is coming for your guns". Only a "crazy conspiracy theorist" would believe that!

Truly stunning that so many cannot connect the dots. We've got a fire breathing global tyrannical system staring us in the face and these jokers are still clueless.

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What are you saying is the solution?

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Most in this thread are advocating for more security at schools. We've seen two school shootings where the officers have chosen not to do what they're there for and a lot of children have died as a result so not sure how more security is the solution.

statefan91 said:

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packgrad said:

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What are you saying is the solution?

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Most in this thread are advocating for more security at schools. We've seen two school shootings where the officers have chosen not to do what they're there for and a lot of children have died as a result so not sure how more security is the solution.

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We also have laws about guns on school property and murder so not sure how more laws is the solution. Way to not answer the question though.

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My last post on the Texas school shooting yesterday. I'm mad that 19 kids and 2 adults lost their lives yesterday. Their photos are online. Go look at them. Then go look at your kids and just for a minute imagine if this happened in their school. Then hug them and tell them you love them. Hopefully tomorrow it won't be their schools turn

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Glass, I get it! My daughter rides the Q Train in NYC everyday. That's the same train that had an incident recently. So yes, I can't imagine that happening to my daughter. I called her today to let her know I love her.

This is so sad for the families in Texas, no doubt. I just don't think people are being rational about real solutions. Also, I wish we would let all the facts get out before the radicals (on both sides) start the politicking…

Typically, the radicals will start with gun laws, then the other radicals and non-radicals try to defend the 2nd amendment. We don't have enough facts to cast any real judgement.

Radicals starting with gun laws puts everyone else on the defensive and then it just goes to hell from there. I wish the radicals, that start with gun laws, would just shut the hell up for a moment and see this issue to full understanding. Then, we can hopefully have meaningful possible discussion to help with this incident.

People like Chem just can't help themselves!

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LOL, the guy who was gleeful this morning to have a bunch of people posting and debating (you have to turn lemons into lemonade, right?) is whining about others opinions on the topic is hilarious.

There are really 2 non-rational thoughts on this topic right now:
1) take all guns away --- I've not seen a single point on this thread even remotely suggest this
2) don't you dare prevent me from getting more guns -- this has been posted numerous times including by you.
But I know as you've posted before...you don't believe in compromise.

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Gleeful - Chem, you have no idea what's in my heart. Be concerned about yours!

whining - Chem, my call was for more rational debate. Some on here are going straight to meat of where great divide will happen. Kind of like Roe vs Wade...

Chem, you need to learn to spot sarcasm. My point was essentially the same as Rahm Emmanuel when he said: you can't let a good crises go to waste. A horrific incident brought everyone out of the woodwork. Its fine to have dialogue after this event; however, you don't find the humor in the resurgence of posters, well, I don't know what to say... NOT THE HUMOR IN THE EVENT!!!!

Take all guns away - perhaps you're correct. I don't know what everyone has said.
Don't you dare prevent me from my guns - 2nd amendment is always under attack. Sorry, you don't see that.

Compromise - On certain issues, the bid and the ask are too far apart for compromise. Someone will ultimately lose and someone will win. That's life!

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My last post on the Texas school shooting yesterday. I'm mad that 19 kids and 2 adults lost their lives yesterday. Their photos are online. Go look at them. Then go look at your kids and just for a minute imagine if this happened in their school. Then hug them and tell them you love them. Hopefully tomorrow it won't be their schools turn

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Glass, I get it! My daughter rides the Q Train in NYC everyday. That's the same train that had an incident recently. So yes, I can't imagine that happening to my daughter. I called her today to let her know I love her.

This is so sad for the families in Texas, no doubt. I just don't think people are being rational about real solutions. Also, I wish we would let all the facts get out before the radicals (on both sides) start the politicking…

Typically, the radicals will start with gun laws, then the other radicals and non-radicals try to defend the 2nd amendment. We don't have enough facts to cast any real judgement.

Radicals starting with gun laws puts everyone else on the defensive and then it just goes to hell from there. I wish the radicals, that start with gun laws, would just shut the hell up for a moment and see this issue to full understanding. Then, we can hopefully have meaningful possible discussion to help with this incident.

People like Chem just can't help themselves!

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LOL, the guy who was gleeful this morning to have a bunch of people posting and debating (you have to turn lemons into lemonade, right?) is whining about others opinions on the topic is hilarious.

There are really 2 non-rational thoughts on this topic right now:
1) take all guns away --- I've not seen a single point on this thread even remotely suggest this
2) don't you dare prevent me from getting more guns -- this has been posted numerous times including by you.
But I know as you've posted before...you don't believe in compromise.

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Gleeful - Chem, you have no idea what's in my heart. Be concerned about yours!

whining - Chem, my call was for more rational debate. Some on here are going straight to meat of where great divide will happen. Kind of like Roe vs Wade...

Chem, you need to learn to spot sarcasm. My point was essentially the same as Rahm Emmanuel when he said: you can't let a good crises go to waste. A horrific incident brought everyone out of the woodwork. Its fine to have dialogue after this event; however, you don't find the humor in the resurgence of posters, well, I don't know what to say... NOT THE HUMOR IN THE EVENT!!!!

Take all guns away - perhaps you're correct. I don't know what everyone has said.
Don't you dare prevent me from my guns - 2nd amendment is always under attack. Sorry, you don't see that.

Compromise - On certain issues, the bid and the ask are too far apart for compromise. Someone will ultimately lose and someone will win. That's life!

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very cynical answer considering who we're discussing are the ones who lose actually were in this case

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My last post on the Texas school shooting yesterday. I'm mad that 19 kids and 2 adults lost their lives yesterday. Their photos are online. Go look at them. Then go look at your kids and just for a minute imagine if this happened in their school. Then hug them and tell them you love them. Hopefully tomorrow it won't be their schools turn

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Glass, I get it! My daughter rides the Q Train in NYC everyday. That's the same train that had an incident recently. So yes, I can't imagine that happening to my daughter. I called her today to let her know I love her.

This is so sad for the families in Texas, no doubt. I just don't think people are being rational about real solutions. Also, I wish we would let all the facts get out before the radicals (on both sides) start the politicking…

Typically, the radicals will start with gun laws, then the other radicals and non-radicals try to defend the 2nd amendment. We don't have enough facts to cast any real judgement.

Radicals starting with gun laws puts everyone else on the defensive and then it just goes to hell from there. I wish the radicals, that start with gun laws, would just shut the hell up for a moment and see this issue to full understanding. Then, we can hopefully have meaningful possible discussion to help with this incident.

People like Chem just can't help themselves!

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LOL, the guy who was gleeful this morning to have a bunch of people posting and debating (you have to turn lemons into lemonade, right?) is whining about others opinions on the topic is hilarious.

There are really 2 non-rational thoughts on this topic right now:
1) take all guns away --- I've not seen a single point on this thread even remotely suggest this
2) don't you dare prevent me from getting more guns -- this has been posted numerous times including by you.
But I know as you've posted before...you don't believe in compromise.

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Gleeful - Chem, you have no idea what's in my heart. Be concerned about yours!

whining - Chem, my call was for more rational debate. Some on here are going straight to meat of where great divide will happen. Kind of like Roe vs Wade...

Chem, you need to learn to spot sarcasm. My point was essentially the same as Rahm Emmanuel when he said: you can't let a good crises go to waste. A horrific incident brought everyone out of the woodwork. Its fine to have dialogue after this event; however, you don't find the humor in the resurgence of posters, well, I don't know what to say... NOT THE HUMOR IN THE EVENT!!!!

Take all guns away - perhaps you're correct. I don't know what everyone has said.
Don't you dare prevent me from my guns - 2nd amendment is always under attack. Sorry, you don't see that.

Compromise - On certain issues, the bid and the ask are too far apart for compromise. Someone will ultimately lose and someone will win. That's life!

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Maybe you should ride down to Uvalde and tell a bunch of parents that you still support the rights of an 18 yo kid to buy multiple AR15s (By GOD, my rights) and that its just life that they lost out.

Its funny...you say i don't know whats in your heart....oh sure I do, you gave us the answer.

Look, you can have all the handguns and shotguns and hunting rifles you want. You'll never come close to convincing me you need an AR. Sorry. There is no practical use of them other than killing. And you can say "protection", "for fun", "because I like them", "because the 2nd AMend says I can" or whatever, but they are solely for killing. And sometimes, a country with a soul has to make adjustments.

And I'd dare say the intelligent forefathers we keep referencing would not want that either, especially if they knew the # of times a group of innocent and unexpecting citizens would be wiped out in seconds. But sure....your heart and all.

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What are you saying is the solution?

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Most in this thread are advocating for more security at schools. We've seen two school shootings where the officers have chosen not to do what they're there for and a lot of children have died as a result so not sure how more security is the solution.

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We also have laws about guns on school property and murder so not sure how more laws is the solution. Way to not answer the question though.

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I'm not paid to come up with the solution nor do I think I'm smart enough to know what it is. I just know that what's being proposed doesn't really seem like it's effective as displayed by those incidents where the cops were too scared to do something.

If police can't contend with people and the weapons legally available to them, then it doesn't seem like good guys with guns are much help.

Gun Rights Are More Important Than False Security And Appeasing Leftists


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/gun-rights-are-more-important-false-security-and-appeasing-leftists

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If there is one Holy Grail target that the political left obsesses over more that anything else, it is getting their hands on the 2nd Amendment and molding it to their will or erasing it forever.

The pursuit of American gun rights is paramount to them, beyond critical race theory, beyond gender politics, even beyond the abortion debate. The problem for them is that ever since the Obama era they have consistently hit a brick wall in terms of convincing the general public to give another inch of ground when it comes to gun control.

To be sure, there are many reasons for this that coincide.

First, the credit crash of 2008 opened many people's eyes to the possibility that the economic systems we take for granted today could disappear tomorrow. Gun rights were no longer a matter of "tradition," but a matter of necessity.

If the system breaks down and emergency services are overwhelmed or disappear then the only person you can rely on to protect your family is you. Mortal realities always win over emotional and reactionary demands. In other words, the benefits of individual self protection greatly outweigh any potential risks of criminality or abuse.

Second, the advent of the covid mandates, lockdowns and the blatant attempts to implement vaccine passport tyranny upon half the population of this country yet again reinforced the idea that gun rights are more important than ever. Without the unified refusal to comply by conservatives and some moderate Americans, it is highly likely that our nation would be in the same situation as China is right now A pointless cycle of lockdowns, authoritarian denial of basic services for people that refuse to submit to a highly experimental mRNA vaccine, and even worse supply chain disruptions and financial instability than we already have.

Make no mistake, the reason the US is mostly free from these draconian conditions today is because of the continued existence of the 2nd Amendment and an armed citizenry. Without these things, there is no longer any obstacle to enforcing whatever unconstitutional provisions the establishment wants.

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