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https://www.nationalreview.com/news/ohio-governor-signs-bill-allowing-school-employees-to-carry-guns/

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Ohio governor Mike DeWine signed a bill on Monday to allow school employees to carry guns on school property.

The law requires employees who wish to come to school armed to complete 24 hours of training in programs approved by the Ohio School Safety Center. Additionally, the bill requires eight hours of annual training for approved employees. School districts may choose not to allow armed employees if they wish under the new law."

This does not require any school to arm teachers or staff," DeWine said at a press conference on Monday after signing the law. "Every school will make its own decision."

The bill also allocates funds for mental-health programs and other school-safety measures.

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Interestingly, Ohio's Democratic gubernatorial candidate believes this new law makes Ohio less safe.

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I agree it makes schools less safe. If teachers are carrying then I don't think it's hyperbole to say that there will be kids that die unintentionally due to negligence of a teacher that brings a gun to school. If you don't think that's something that will happen I think you have to look at the unfortunate amount of accidental gun deaths and shootings that happen in homes with unsecured weapons.

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How many have died so far in schools where teachers carry?

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https://www.nationalreview.com/news/ohio-governor-signs-bill-allowing-school-employees-to-carry-guns/

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Ohio governor Mike DeWine signed a bill on Monday to allow school employees to carry guns on school property.

The law requires employees who wish to come to school armed to complete 24 hours of training in programs approved by the Ohio School Safety Center. Additionally, the bill requires eight hours of annual training for approved employees. School districts may choose not to allow armed employees if they wish under the new law."

This does not require any school to arm teachers or staff," DeWine said at a press conference on Monday after signing the law. "Every school will make its own decision."

The bill also allocates funds for mental-health programs and other school-safety measures.

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Interestingly, Ohio's Democratic gubernatorial candidate believes this new law makes Ohio less safe.

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I agree it makes schools less safe. If teachers are carrying then I don't think it's hyperbole to say that there will be kids that die unintentionally due to negligence of a teacher that brings a gun to school. If you don't think that's something that will happen I think you have to look at the unfortunate amount of accidental gun deaths and shootings that happen in homes with unsecured weapons.

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Hey, at least a state is trying something different! As far as I am concerned, any law being passed, on the State level, is better than a federal law!!!

Why do I think that? Well... I'll answer a question with another question... What power, in the constitution, gives the federal government jurisdiction over this?

I never said anything about Federal vs. State law, just observing that more guns inside the school is probably not something that's going to make the school safer.

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https://www.nationalreview.com/news/ohio-governor-signs-bill-allowing-school-employees-to-carry-guns/

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Ohio governor Mike DeWine signed a bill on Monday to allow school employees to carry guns on school property.

The law requires employees who wish to come to school armed to complete 24 hours of training in programs approved by the Ohio School Safety Center. Additionally, the bill requires eight hours of annual training for approved employees. School districts may choose not to allow armed employees if they wish under the new law."

This does not require any school to arm teachers or staff," DeWine said at a press conference on Monday after signing the law. "Every school will make its own decision."

The bill also allocates funds for mental-health programs and other school-safety measures.

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Interestingly, Ohio's Democratic gubernatorial candidate believes this new law makes Ohio less safe.

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I agree it makes schools less safe. If teachers are carrying then I don't think it's hyperbole to say that there will be kids that die unintentionally due to negligence of a teacher that brings a gun to school. If you don't think that's something that will happen I think you have to look at the unfortunate amount of accidental gun deaths and shootings that happen in homes with unsecured weapons.

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How many have died so far in schools where teachers carry?

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He's a lefty.. all that matters is hyperbole.

Seeing men naked pretending to be women in school is perfectly fine.

Seeing a well trained educator carrying a legally and safely maintained firearm "detrimental to their well-being."

Today's left ladies and gentlemen. All about making everyone comfortable and conforming only to their ideologies.

You lefties should be proud of what you are doing to this country. Morals, standards and values be damned. As long as you hold onto power is all you care about.

November is coming and each and every one of you will get exactly what you deserve.

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https://www.nationalreview.com/news/ohio-governor-signs-bill-allowing-school-employees-to-carry-guns/

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Ohio governor Mike DeWine signed a bill on Monday to allow school employees to carry guns on school property.

The law requires employees who wish to come to school armed to complete 24 hours of training in programs approved by the Ohio School Safety Center. Additionally, the bill requires eight hours of annual training for approved employees. School districts may choose not to allow armed employees if they wish under the new law."

This does not require any school to arm teachers or staff," DeWine said at a press conference on Monday after signing the law. "Every school will make its own decision."

The bill also allocates funds for mental-health programs and other school-safety measures.

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Interestingly, Ohio's Democratic gubernatorial candidate believes this new law makes Ohio less safe.

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I agree it makes schools less safe. If teachers are carrying then I don't think it's hyperbole to say that there will be kids that die unintentionally due to negligence of a teacher that brings a gun to school. If you don't think that's something that will happen I think you have to look at the unfortunate amount of accidental gun deaths and shootings that happen in homes with unsecured weapons.

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How many have died so far in schools where teachers carry?

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He's a lefty.. all that matters is hyperbole.

Seeing men naked pretending to be women in school is perfectly fine.

Seeing a well trained educator carrying a legally and safely maintained firearm "detrimental to their well-being."

Today's left ladies and gentlemen. All about making everyone comfortable and conforming only to their ideologies.

You lefties should be proud of what you are doing to this country. Morals, standards and values be damned. As long as you hold onto power is all you care about.

November is coming and each and every one of you will get exactly what you deserve.

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Debating whether carrying in schools is a net win or loss for safety is not an unreasonable debate, no matter how you slice it or which side of the conversation you're on.

Do you disagree with that statement?

I don't think it's hyperbole to say there will be kids that die unintentionally due to trained teachers not carrying guns in schools.

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https://www.nationalreview.com/news/ohio-governor-signs-bill-allowing-school-employees-to-carry-guns/

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Ohio governor Mike DeWine signed a bill on Monday to allow school employees to carry guns on school property.

The law requires employees who wish to come to school armed to complete 24 hours of training in programs approved by the Ohio School Safety Center. Additionally, the bill requires eight hours of annual training for approved employees. School districts may choose not to allow armed employees if they wish under the new law."

This does not require any school to arm teachers or staff," DeWine said at a press conference on Monday after signing the law. "Every school will make its own decision."

The bill also allocates funds for mental-health programs and other school-safety measures.

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Interestingly, Ohio's Democratic gubernatorial candidate believes this new law makes Ohio less safe.

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I agree it makes schools less safe. If teachers are carrying then I don't think it's hyperbole to say that there will be kids that die unintentionally due to negligence of a teacher that brings a gun to school. If you don't think that's something that will happen I think you have to look at the unfortunate amount of accidental gun deaths and shootings that happen in homes with unsecured weapons.

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How many have died so far in schools where teachers carry?

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He's a lefty.. all that matters is hyperbole.

Seeing men naked pretending to be women in school is perfectly fine.

Seeing a well trained educator carrying a legally and safely maintained firearm "detrimental to their well-being."

Today's left ladies and gentlemen. All about making everyone comfortable and conforming only to their ideologies.

You lefties should be proud of what you are doing to this country. Morals, standards and values be damned. As long as you hold onto power is all you care about.

November is coming and each and every one of you will get exactly what you deserve.

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Debating whether carrying in schools is a net win or loss for safety is not an unreasonable debate, no matter how you slice it or which side of the conversation you're on.

Do you disagree with that statement?

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Yes.

Debating you and proving your point is invalid will be fun. I'm sure you will duck and run when it happens.

Here is some information, FACTUAL, not hyperbole, on states that allow school personnel to carry firearms.

https://www.ncsl.org/research/education/school-safety-guns-in-schools.aspx#:~:text=Allowing%20School%20Employees%20to%20Carry%20Firearms,-At%20least%20nine&text=Seven%20states%E2%80%94Idaho%2C%20Kansas%2C,licensed%20to%20carry%20a%20firearm.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3377801

I personally believe that employees that go through proper firearm training are a damn good deterrent to any nut job that thinks walking onto a "gun free" campus all of a sudden has another variable to consider.

Schools are "soft targets" with usually 1-3 SRO's and those have proven to not be the save all end all in most cases. They do serve a good purpose when they execute their duties rather than hiding from danger. i.e. Stoneman-Douglas officer.

This should be voluntary and the training should be annual as part of the Continuing Education programs that every teacher has to complete as part of their licensing procedures.

There should be a central secure location where the teachers come in each morning, check out their firearm and proceed to their daily duties. Each teacher who has a firearm would be known to the administrators and key staff. If the states allow and the district agrees I have no problem with open carry.

This type of scenario is no different than armed security at events, large gatherings, airports, train stations, bus stations, museums, amusement parks etc...

The issue the left has is that it could possibly reduce the number of shootings therefore taking away from their end goal of abolishing the 2nd Amendment and seizing private citizens' guns. FACT.

Now please list the number of deaths, injuries, accidental shootings, accidental firing of firearms that have occurred in the schools that currently allow for members of the faculty to be armed.

You're up.

The main concern I would have is the ability of an armed teacher to use it properly in an active shooter situation. I have heard of studies that talk about the low rate of accuracy that trained officers have in a high stress situation. So, how would a teacher perform in these situations?

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I never said anything about Federal vs. State law, just observing that more guns inside the school is probably not something that's going to make the school safer.

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How do you know that?

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The main concern I would have is the ability of an armed teacher to use it properly in an active shooter situation. I have heard of studies that talk about the low rate of accuracy that trained officers have in a high stress situation. So, how would a teacher perform in these situations?

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I think that depends on the individual, the same as it does with a police officer.

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The main concern I would have is the ability of an armed teacher to use it properly in an active shooter situation. I have heard of studies that talk about the low rate of accuracy that trained officers have in a high stress situation. So, how would a teacher perform in these situations?

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I think that depends on the individual, the same as it does with a police officer.

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Of course it does, as with anything. But, one is more trained than the other. I think it's a reasonable question. But, as we saw in Uvalde, you don't know how people will react when real bullets start flying.

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The main concern I would have is the ability of an armed teacher to use it properly in an active shooter situation. I have heard of studies that talk about the low rate of accuracy that trained officers have in a high stress situation. So, how would a teacher perform in these situations?

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I think that depends on the individual, the same as it does with a police officer.

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Of course it does, as with anything. But, one is more trained than the other. I think it's a reasonable question. But, as we saw in Uvalde, you don't know how people will react when real bullets start flying.

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States can mandate how much training the teachers receive. Uvalde just had their active shooter training in March.

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I never said anything about Federal vs. State law, just observing that more guns inside the school is probably not something that's going to make the school safer.

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How do you know that?

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I guess you can't prove a negative. But you can easily find accidental discharges, students finding guns left by negligent teachers, etc. within a quick Google search.

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The main concern I would have is the ability of an armed teacher to use it properly in an active shooter situation. I have heard of studies that talk about the low rate of accuracy that trained officers have in a high stress situation. So, how would a teacher perform in these situations?

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I think that depends on the individual, the same as it does with a police officer.

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Of course it does, as with anything. But, one is more trained than the other. I think it's a reasonable question. But, as we saw in Uvalde, you don't know how people will react when real bullets start flying.

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States can mandate how much training the teachers receive. Uvalde just had their active shooter training in March.

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And look how that went...

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The main concern I would have is the ability of an armed teacher to use it properly in an active shooter situation. I have heard of studies that talk about the low rate of accuracy that trained officers have in a high stress situation. So, how would a teacher perform in these situations?

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I think that depends on the individual, the same as it does with a police officer.

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Of course it does, as with anything. But, one is more trained than the other. I think it's a reasonable question. But, as we saw in Uvalde, you don't know how people will react when real bullets start flying.

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States can mandate how much training the teachers receive. Uvalde just had their active shooter training in March.

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And look how that went...

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Exactly. There needs to be a threat of response on campus.

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I never said anything about Federal vs. State law, just observing that more guns inside the school is probably not something that's going to make the school safer.

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How do you know that?

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I guess you can't prove a negative. But you can easily find accidental discharges, students finding guns left by negligent teachers, etc. within a quick Google search.

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Post the links. Go ahead.. we are waiting.

And there are no "perfect solutions." Evil is evil and will always find a way to remind us of that. It's our jobs to find a way to make it harder and more complicated for it to rear its' head.

Now... the officers in Uvalde were trained and not worthy. Nobody knows how they would react in active shooter situations but at least they would have the ability to try and neutralize the gunman. Not to mention the fact that the school faculty members would/could be armed would be cause for would-be gunmen to think about entering haphazardly.

If you want to argue semantics then the door lock manufacturer whose lock failed should be held accountable for the deaths of the teachers and students at Uvalde.

There will never be a perfect solution. We can only work toward one. Arming the faculty/staff would go a long way in doing so.

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The main concern I would have is the ability of an armed teacher to use it properly in an active shooter situation. I have heard of studies that talk about the low rate of accuracy that trained officers have in a high stress situation. So, how would a teacher perform in these situations?

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I think that depends on the individual, the same as it does with a police officer.

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Of course it does, as with anything. But, one is more trained than the other. I think it's a reasonable question. But, as we saw in Uvalde, you don't know how people will react when real bullets start flying.

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States can mandate how much training the teachers receive. Uvalde just had their active shooter training in March.

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And look how that went...

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Exactly. There needs to be a threat of response on campus.

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agree. I'd like to k ow how most accidental shootings do happen? Usually it's someone not being responsible or during cleaning and forget there's a chambered round.

I would think a teacher wouldn't have a side sark on her hip during class, but it would be in a locker or lockable drawer where they could get to it in an emergency.

And honestly, the threat of an armed persons on campus would deter 99.9% of people who thought about shooting at a school.

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Steve Videtich said:

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The main concern I would have is the ability of an armed teacher to use it properly in an active shooter situation. I have heard of studies that talk about the low rate of accuracy that trained officers have in a high stress situation. So, how would a teacher perform in these situations?

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I think that depends on the individual, the same as it does with a police officer.

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Of course it does, as with anything. But, one is more trained than the other. I think it's a reasonable question. But, as we saw in Uvalde, you don't know how people will react when real bullets start flying.

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States can mandate how much training the teachers receive. Uvalde just had their active shooter training in March.

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And look how that went...

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Exactly. There needs to be a threat of response on campus.

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agree. I'd like to kow how most accidental shootings do happen? Usually it's someone not being responsible or during cleaning and forget there's a chambered round.

I would think a teacher wouldn't have a side sark on her hip during class, but it would be in a locker or lockable drawer where they could get to it in an emergency.

And honestly, the threat of an armed persons on campus would deter 99.9% of people who thought about shooting at a school.

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Damn Hokie, that's two outstanding post in two days... BTW, your post might offend statefan91...

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Steve Videtich said:

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The main concern I would have is the ability of an armed teacher to use it properly in an active shooter situation. I have heard of studies that talk about the low rate of accuracy that trained officers have in a high stress situation. So, how would a teacher perform in these situations?

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I think that depends on the individual, the same as it does with a police officer.

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Of course it does, as with anything. But, one is more trained than the other. I think it's a reasonable question. But, as we saw in Uvalde, you don't know how people will react when real bullets start flying.

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States can mandate how much training the teachers receive. Uvalde just had their active shooter training in March.

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And look how that went...

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Exactly. There needs to be a threat of response on campus.

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agree. I'd like to kow how most accidental shootings do happen? Usually it's someone not being responsible or during cleaning and forget there's a chambered round.

I would think a teacher wouldn't have a side sark on her hip during class, but it would be in a locker or lockable drawer where they could get to it in an emergency.

And honestly, the threat of an armed persons on campus would deter 99.9% of people who thought about shooting at a school.

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Damn Hokie, that's two outstanding post in two days... BTW, your post might offend statefan91...

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91 is still nursing his shoulder from that massive injury he sustained shooting the .22....LOL...

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agree. I'd like to kow how most accidental shootings do happen? Usually it's someone not being responsible or during cleaning and forget there's a chambered round.

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I would think a teacher wouldn't have a side sark on her hip during class, but it would be in a locker or lockable drawer where they could get to it in an emergency.

And honestly, the threat of an armed persons on campus would deter 99.9% of people who thought about shooting at a school.

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Damn Hokie, that's two outstanding post in two days... BTW, your post might offend statefan91...

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Why would it offend me? I made a very generic statement that with more guns on campuses, there is more opportunity for accidental discharges, negligence with leaving guns available to students, etc.

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packgrad said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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packgrad said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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The main concern I would have is the ability of an armed teacher to use it properly in an active shooter situation. I have heard of studies that talk about the low rate of accuracy that trained officers have in a high stress situation. So, how would a teacher perform in these situations?

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I think that depends on the individual, the same as it does with a police officer.

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Of course it does, as with anything. But, one is more trained than the other. I think it's a reasonable question. But, as we saw in Uvalde, you don't know how people will react when real bullets start flying.

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States can mandate how much training the teachers receive. Uvalde just had their active shooter training in March.

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And look how that went...

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Exactly. There needs to be a threat of response on campus.

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agree. I'd like to k ow how most accidental shootings do happen? Usually it's someone not being responsible or during cleaning and forget there's a chambered round.

I would think a teacher wouldn't have a side sark on her hip during class, but it would be in a locker or lockable drawer where they could get to it in an emergency.

And honestly, the threat of an armed persons on campus would deter 99.9% of people who thought about shooting at a school.

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Agreed.

I actually agree that, implemented correctly, the threat of an immediate armed response on campus could be a deterrent to school shooters.

But this is a high-stakes decision and all of the prospective benefits and costs have to be assessed and fleshed out.

People chronically overstate upside and understate cost. You see this over and over and over in business and real estate and personal and governmental decisions.

So sure, talk about the potential benefits as accurately as you can. But it's equally or more important to accurately assess the potential costs, which just like the benefits, are life or death.

In addition to fully analyzing the risks of those guns falling into the wrong hands, I would want to understand where else around the world this had been implemented. What were the problems, challenges, and failures of those approaches? How can we learn from them and improve on them to optimize outcomes here?

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The main concern I would have is the ability of an armed teacher to use it properly in an active shooter situation. I have heard of studies that talk about the low rate of accuracy that trained officers have in a high stress situation. So, how would a teacher perform in these situations?

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I think that depends on the individual, the same as it does with a police officer.

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Of course it does, as with anything. But, one is more trained than the other. I think it's a reasonable question. But, as we saw in Uvalde, you don't know how people will react when real bullets start flying.

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States can mandate how much training the teachers receive. Uvalde just had their active shooter training in March.

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And look how that went...

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Exactly. There needs to be a threat of response on campus.

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agree. I'd like to kow how most accidental shootings do happen? Usually it's someone not being responsible or during cleaning and forget there's a chambered round.

I would think a teacher wouldn't have a side sark on her hip during class, but it would be in a locker or lockable drawer where they could get to it in an emergency.

And honestly, the threat of an armed persons on campus would deter 99.9% of people who thought about shooting at a school.

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Damn Hokie, that's two outstanding post in two days... BTW, your post might offend statefan91...

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LOL. (go to 4:32 of the attached video for this response)



The rest of it is on me. (No further thanks necessary)

hokiewolf said:

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The main concern I would have is the ability of an armed teacher to use it properly in an active shooter situation. I have heard of studies that talk about the low rate of accuracy that trained officers have in a high stress situation. So, how would a teacher perform in these situations?

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I think that depends on the individual, the same as it does with a police officer.

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Of course it does, as with anything. But, one is more trained than the other. I think it's a reasonable question. But, as we saw in Uvalde, you don't know how people will react when real bullets start flying.

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States can mandate how much training the teachers receive. Uvalde just had their active shooter training in March.

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And look how that went...

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Exactly. There needs to be a threat of response on campus.

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agree. I'd like to k ow how most accidental shootings do happen? Usually it's someone not being responsible or during cleaning and forget there's a chambered round.

I would think a teacher wouldn't have a side sark on her hip during class, but it would be in a locker or lockable drawer where they could get to it in an emergency.

And honestly, the threat of an armed persons on campus would deter 99.9% of people who thought about shooting at a school.

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Will it really? We all want to blame this on the person being crazy with a death wish. Why would that person be deterred?

Now, IF they had to go thru a front door only and IF that door had a guard there, and IF that guard was awake and trained and engaged to be actionable, then yes, that likely helps.

Brett Jensen, a local reporter at WBT here in Charlotte has been reporting on all the guns found on campus this year in CLT --- 2 in the last week or of school totaled to 30 for the school year. All those kids had to know they were more likely than not to get caught, yet they brought guns to school anyway.

Now...woudl a properly armed teacher who responds properly help mitigate an actual event...maybe. But is that knowledge going to help prevent? I'm not sure.

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The main concern I would have is the ability of an armed teacher to use it properly in an active shooter situation. I have heard of studies that talk about the low rate of accuracy that trained officers have in a high stress situation. So, how would a teacher perform in these situations?

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I think that depends on the individual, the same as it does with a police officer.

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Of course it does, as with anything. But, one is more trained than the other. I think it's a reasonable question. But, as we saw in Uvalde, you don't know how people will react when real bullets start flying.

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States can mandate how much training the teachers receive. Uvalde just had their active shooter training in March.

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And look how that went...

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Exactly. There needs to be a threat of response on campus.

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agree. I'd like to kow how most accidental shootings do happen? Usually it's someone not being responsible or during cleaning and forget there's a chambered round.

I would think a teacher wouldn't have a side sark on her hip during class, but it would be in a locker or lockable drawer where they could get to it in an emergency.

And honestly, the threat of an armed persons on campus would deter 99.9% of people who thought about shooting at a school.

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Damn Hokie, that's two outstanding post in two days... BTW, your post might offend statefan91...

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LOL. (go to 4:32 of the attached video for this response)



The rest of it is on me. (No further thanks necessary)

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"he is one of my own kind"....lol, outstanding line.

Not quite as good as the Ho-ratio lines though.
"I've never seen one of those Pa",
"One of what",
"a half a boy"
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"Poor Horatio"

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agree. I'd like to kow how most accidental shootings do happen? Usually it's someone not being responsible or during cleaning and forget there's a chambered round.

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I would think a teacher wouldn't have a side sark on her hip during class, but it would be in a locker or lockable drawer where they could get to it in an emergency.

And honestly, the threat of an armed persons on campus would deter 99.9% of people who thought about shooting at a school.

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Damn Hokie, that's two outstanding post in two days... BTW, your post might offend statefan91...

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Why would it offend me? I made a very generic statement that with more guns on campuses, there is more opportunity for accidental discharges, negligence with leaving guns available to students, etc.

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Do you not see the benefits?

You have proven you have little to no knowledge of guns of any size, shape, caliber or function. You hear the word "gun" and you automatically cringe with the ideologies that have been indoctrinated into you by your MSM/lefty overlords.

Where is there ANY evidence of the hundreds of schools that allow faculty members to be armed where any of your boogeymen hyperbole have happened?

I could liken your strawman argument to automobiles, alcohol, knives, power tools, curling irons, etc....

• Keys are available so kids could steal a car and cause death/accidents.
• Alcohol is in the house so it could lead to kids drinking and dying.
• Knives are available in the kitchen and kids could access them and cause harm/death.
• Power tools are in the garage and kids could access them and cause harm/death.
• The curling iron is in the bathroom and it gets really hot. Kids could use it to cause harm/death.

"IF" something exists that could cause harm then we should do away with it....???? You lefties are something else.

It would most likely increase the hesitancy of a gunman to enter a place where he/she has no idea who is armed and who isn't. He/she wouldn't be going into a soft target. That would definitely play into stiffening up the security of the schools.

Now I know you and the left view gun control as an absolute and the end game is abolishing the 2nd Amendment. Good luck with that.

Educate yourself and get back to us.

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Why would it offend me?

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Because every response that you've ever posted here comes straight off a chart.

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Why would it offend me?

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Because every response that you've ever posted here comes straight off a chart.

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The main concern I would have is the ability of an armed teacher to use it properly in an active shooter situation. I have heard of studies that talk about the low rate of accuracy that trained officers have in a high stress situation. So, how would a teacher perform in these situations?

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I think that depends on the individual, the same as it does with a police officer.

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Of course it does, as with anything. But, one is more trained than the other. I think it's a reasonable question. But, as we saw in Uvalde, you don't know how people will react when real bullets start flying.

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States can mandate how much training the teachers receive. Uvalde just had their active shooter training in March.

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And look how that went...

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Exactly. There needs to be a threat of response on campus.

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agree. I'd like to kow how most accidental shootings do happen? Usually it's someone not being responsible or during cleaning and forget there's a chambered round.

I would think a teacher wouldn't have a side sark on her hip during class, but it would be in a locker or lockable drawer where they could get to it in an emergency.

And honestly, the threat of an armed persons on campus would deter 99.9% of people who thought about shooting at a school.

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Damn Hokie, that's two outstanding post in two days... BTW, your post might offend statefan91...

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LOL. (go to 4:32 of the attached video for this response)



The rest of it is on me. (No further thanks necessary)

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"he is one of my own kind"....lol, outstanding line.

Not quite as good as the Ho-ratio lines though.
"I've never seen one of those Pa",
"One of what",
"a half a boy"
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"Poor Horatio"

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Hey, if I was younger and my ability to make really nice amounts of money was dependent upon it, I would have been able to know how to just pull those 2-3 seconds out of the embedded video instead of taking the easy way out and posting the whole thing (but I know that you loved it)... would love to learn, just have never been shown I guess... and thankfully - so far - it hasnt gotten me banished from any message boards.

Yet.

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Why would it offend me?

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Because every response that you've ever posted here comes straight off a chart.

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What does that mean?

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Why would it offend me?

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Because every response that you've ever posted here comes straight off a chart.

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What does that mean?

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Don't be obtuse. You know exactly what it means...

But thanks for asking.

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Why would it offend me?

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Because every response that you've ever posted here comes straight off a chart.

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What does that mean?

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Why don't you address my post that laid out a plan for faculty members carrying firearms?

One thing is for certain, you absolutely can see how people feel about guns, gun owners, and people trained in using guns when they think a school is more dangerous for the children when there is a trained teacher carrying a gun.

I guess they think it would be safer if there was a law banning scary guns, another one banning scary magazines, and another one making it a "hate crime" to kill school children with scary guns and scary magazines.

We should just ban murder in general. Wouldn't that solve all the problems and issues?

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We should just ban murder in general. Wouldn't that solve all the problems and issues?

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Damn.

Too simple.