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But now, all the sudden, when everyone starts talking about all these active shooter incidents and proliferation with very little controls of ARs, guys are coming out of the woodwork to talk about inner city shootings.

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ARs are controlled exactly the same as every other semi-automatic weapon. The same lethality exists with semi-automatic weapons in handgun form as in rifle form. The reason inner city killings are mentioned is those locations usually already have the gun bans you prefer with no positive effect. Likewise, those locations are governed by Democrats who try to politicize gun control for hoped for gains in the election booth. Time and time again we see these methods don't help Democrats, but they continue to try the same failed policies.

People choosing to go out in a blaze of "glory" accomplish absolutely nothing. Their actions suck and we all wish they would limit the damage to no more than themselves. Unfortunately, the rest of the reactions are virtue signals that offer little more than making the signaler feel better.

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I didn't miss it. No more than you missed the fact that these killings we are discussing aren't happening with baseball bats (laughable). They are happening with guns that maybe should have a little more control?

Hokie says waiting time for 18-21. Why only 18-21? Why not for all purchases? What is it impacting if the government (or whatever agency) does some thorough review on each AR purchase?
Does the crazies stop at 21?

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Baseball bats is supposed to be a meaningful retort???

Again, the same lethality of weapon has already been banned in most major Democratically controlled cities. No effect!

If you think a waiting period for folks of any age is going to stop school shootings, I don't know what to tell you. As hokie and others have stated, the problems are not with the weapons but with the people.

In order to make substantive change, we have to stop with the virtue signaling and begin to address the core issues.

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Agreed on baseball bats...it was one of the "whatabouts" though from one of the big guns for everyone supporters. Oh, but a crazy person will just use a baseball bat, lol.

Disagree on your waiting list -- Steve had told us all the things this kid had just done. A thorough internet and personal investigation should have turned those things up, no? If the media can turn them up in 2 days, surely a paid agency can? And so it would / should have stopped him from having two weapons with which he killed a ton of kids, yes? So how is that virtue signaling?

The kid in Buffalo also bought his AR days after he turned 18. Everyone keeps saying "oh, but there were signs".
So why not investigate him and find that out before selling it to him? Frankly, it seems stupid not to investigate him. If he were trying to join the army, they'd make sure he was fit to make decisions...but we just gonna give him a AR?

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We have a paid agency approving gun sales at most retail outlets. They just don't do anything when they find someone who lied on their paperwork. It happens everyday and the Feds ignore it. We have these laws to prevent known criminals and people who have already demonstrated a propensity to harm someone with whom they were or are in a relationship with and the Feds do NOTHING!

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In 2017, the year the GAO audited, there were 112,000 attempts by prohibited persons to buy a firearm that were stopped by the background-check system that's 112,000 federal gun crimes in which the perpetrator signed his name on the form and thereby provided all the evidence needed to convict him. Shockingly, the federal government simply ignored about 100,000 of those cases, investigating only 12,700. To be clear, this isn't a mere paperwork crime we are talking about: According to the GAO, 36 percent of those 112,000 denied firearms were convicted felons, 30 percent were subjects of protective orders, and 16 percent had been convicted of disqualifying domestic-violence misdemeanors. These are the very people who should be our top priorities when it comes to fighting gun crime; in fact, the Department of Justice reports that about 30 percent of those who fail a background check are arrested on another criminal charge within five years.

Here's the really bad part: Out of those 12,700 cases that were taken up for investigation, there were only twelve prosecutions.

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BTW, where did the inaction occur in the sale of the Uvalde and Buffalo guns? From reports (perhaps untrue still), they got the weapons right after they turned 18. Did either get held up for some check?

If they did, were there no flags raised? If no, isn't that an issue.

Seems like htere are two issues here --- one, how do threats on the internet or membership of hate groups, or whatever other flags reasonable people can agreed upon NOT show up for these two.
And....when flats are found, how do you improve the process to ensure that those people are actually restricted from lawful purchases

(and acknowledging that it is unlikely you stop the after-market sales).

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The lefties have told us what their end game is. Starting in November we need to let them know they aren't turning this country into their MARXIST utopia that they long for.

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LOL BBW back to his broken record bolded "MARXIST" epithet.
He just can't help himself. Poor widdle BBW....can't come up with anything new?
It is like MAGA Tourettes. He just has to include a bold faced MARXIST in every post.
So predictable he is....over and over again.

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Again, I ask…. Who the hell is this joker?

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The lefties have told us what their end game is. Starting in November we need to let them know they aren't turning this country into their MARXIST utopia that they long for.

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LOL BBW back to his broken record bolded "MARXIST" epithet.
He just can't help himself. Poor widdle BBW....can't come up with anything new?
It is like MAGA Tourettes. He just has to include a bold faced MARXIST in every post.
So predictable he is....over and over again.

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Again, I ask…. Who the hell is this joker?

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Cast off scrub from PP... Looks like he's banned from that site. You see why? He is a stalker of epic proportions. Never actually posts anything. Just trolls threads and tries to derail. He had several aliases there and was outed when he logged in with the wrong one and basically answered his "other" alias under the same name.

It was caught by many and he denied like hell but it was obvious. Ignore him. I think it's hilarious that he is still surfing message boards looking for some type of validation. Guess mommy let him have the password to the Wi-Fi again!

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One person calls attention to inner city violence and his bad the statistics are, and one person says who gives a **** about them because it's been going on for years and isn't going to change. Which one is racist?

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Lol. You can call me whatever you want.
Show me where you've started threads about the inner city crime and how to cure it (well, other than your comment about all the poor people just moving -did you appeal to your city councils to redone your community yet to accommodate that)?
Show me where folks like up to drop off flowers and stuffed animals and such at the site of these inner city killings?

Do you really think they get treated the same? By anyone?
It's really a simple question.

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Nope, I did about as much as you've done to make a change.

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EXACTLY my point, thank you. No one does anything....why? Because no one really cares. You can deny it, you can dress it up, but I can't come up with any other reasoning, can you?

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Sometimes it's just a matter of how much someone cares. But, I would never consider a group of people a lost cause just because I didn't or couldn't do anything about it.

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Don't confuse lost cause with "nothing has changed because no one has cared enough".
Things could change --- but its going to take a concerted effort.

And still....has zero to do with the incidents in Buffalo or Uvalde or the 60 active shooter incidents the FBI quantified last year.
Want to define solutions...great, but they should be treated differently, because they are 2 completely different use cases.

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You keep yelling about the weapon. That's the issue you're failing to understand. Ban all the weapons you want. It's not going to change the evil intent of bad people. The examples that BBW posted were about cities that have proven to all of us that bans don't work. XL tried to say the same thing as well as many others. But you keep on yelling to ban ban ban.

If someone killed one of your loved ones, would you want 10 minutes alone with the person that pulled the trigger, or 10 minutes with the weapon?

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So if either of the 2 most recent examples had simply not been allowed to buy (legally) the weapons they killed with, would those 30+ people be dead today? Could they have gotten them in other ways...perhaps. But we make it easy for them to do so. Why?

For your strawman, I'd want to know why they were able to get the weapon when they had clearly posted materials that should make us question their mental stability. I'd be angry with those who allowed that.

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Then they would've gotten another weapon to do what they irrationally wanted to do. They didn't do it because they had access to an AR, they did it because they were compelled by evil to do it.

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One person calls attention to inner city violence and his bad the statistics are, and one person says who gives a **** about them because it's been going on for years and isn't going to change. Which one is racist?

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Lol. You can call me whatever you want.
Show me where you've started threads about the inner city crime and how to cure it (well, other than your comment about all the poor people just moving -did you appeal to your city councils to redone your community yet to accommodate that)?
Show me where folks like up to drop off flowers and stuffed animals and such at the site of these inner city killings?

Do you really think they get treated the same? By anyone?
It's really a simple question.

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Nope, I did about as much as you've done to make a change.

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EXACTLY my point, thank you. No one does anything....why? Because no one really cares. You can deny it, you can dress it up, but I can't come up with any other reasoning, can you?

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Sometimes it's just a matter of how much someone cares. But, I would never consider a group of people a lost cause just because I didn't or couldn't do anything about it.

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Don't confuse lost cause with "nothing has changed because no one has cared enough".
Things could change --- but its going to take a concerted effort.

And still....has zero to do with the incidents in Buffalo or Uvalde or the 60 active shooter incidents the FBI quantified last year.
Want to define solutions...great, but they should be treated differently, because they are 2 completely different use cases.

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You keep yelling about the weapon. That's the issue you're failing to understand. Ban all the weapons you want. It's not going to change the evil intent of bad people. The examples that BBW posted were about cities that have proven to all of us that bans don't work. XL tried to say the same thing as well as many others. But you keep on yelling to ban ban ban.

If someone killed one of your loved ones, would you want 10 minutes alone with the person that pulled the trigger, or 10 minutes with the weapon?

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So if either of the 2 most recent examples had simply not been allowed to buy (legally) the weapons they killed with, would those 30+ people be dead today? Could they have gotten them in other ways...perhaps. But we make it easy for them to do so. Why?

For your strawman, I'd want to know why they were able to get the weapon when they had clearly posted materials that should make us question their mental stability. I'd be angry with those who allowed that.

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Then they would've gotten another weapon to do what they irrationally wanted to do. They didn't do it because they had access to an AR, they did it because they were compelled by evil to do it.

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So you are saying that regardless if a gun is banned or made illegal the criminals who wish to do harm will find alternative methods in which to do so?

Wow!! I wonder where we have heard similar stories...?

Abortion... "if abortion is made illegal women will be forced into back alleys and illegal abortion clinics. We can't have that happen.."

Notice the double standard in the thinking from the left?

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Steve Videtich said:

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One person calls attention to inner city violence and his bad the statistics are, and one person says who gives a **** about them because it's been going on for years and isn't going to change. Which one is racist?

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Lol. You can call me whatever you want.
Show me where you've started threads about the inner city crime and how to cure it (well, other than your comment about all the poor people just moving -did you appeal to your city councils to redone your community yet to accommodate that)?
Show me where folks like up to drop off flowers and stuffed animals and such at the site of these inner city killings?

Do you really think they get treated the same? By anyone?
It's really a simple question.

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Nope, I did about as much as you've done to make a change.

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EXACTLY my point, thank you. No one does anything....why? Because no one really cares. You can deny it, you can dress it up, but I can't come up with any other reasoning, can you?

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Sometimes it's just a matter of how much someone cares. But, I would never consider a group of people a lost cause just because I didn't or couldn't do anything about it.

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Don't confuse lost cause with "nothing has changed because no one has cared enough".
Things could change --- but its going to take a concerted effort.

And still....has zero to do with the incidents in Buffalo or Uvalde or the 60 active shooter incidents the FBI quantified last year.
Want to define solutions...great, but they should be treated differently, because they are 2 completely different use cases.

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You keep yelling about the weapon. That's the issue you're failing to understand. Ban all the weapons you want. It's not going to change the evil intent of bad people. The examples that BBW posted were about cities that have proven to all of us that bans don't work. XL tried to say the same thing as well as many others. But you keep on yelling to ban ban ban.

If someone killed one of your loved ones, would you want 10 minutes alone with the person that pulled the trigger, or 10 minutes with the weapon?

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So if either of the 2 most recent examples had simply not been allowed to buy (legally) the weapons they killed with, would those 30+ people be dead today? Could they have gotten them in other ways...perhaps. But we make it easy for them to do so. Why?

For your strawman, I'd want to know why they were able to get the weapon when they had clearly posted materials that should make us question their mental stability. I'd be angry with those who allowed that.

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Then they would've gotten another weapon to do what they irrationally wanted to do. They didn't do it because they had access to an AR, they did it because they were compelled by evil to do it.

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But why'd they choose an AR instead of a hand gun? Or a hunting rifle? Or a knife, car, baseball bat? Do we agree that an AR tends to do a lot more damage a lot more quickly than any of those others?

And why did we let them buy them?

And as for evil....are we the only country where that exists? If this was a farewall move....heck, the US is nowhere near the top of suicides...Japan and S Korea are 2x rates of US.....so those are people with intense disconnects and issues, wonder why they aren't out shooting up schools and grocery stores?
Germany has lots of hate groups now, aryan nation types, etc....do they have people driving across the country to shoot up stores?

No, they have people assaulting with knives and dump trucks and any of a number of things they can come up with. Do you remember the TEC 9? It was a semi automatic weapon that was glorified in many a rap song I used to listen to back in the day. In fact it was used in the Columbine shooting. It was also part of the famous assault weapons ban that everyone points to. And to you know what happened, along came the AR 15. The current poster child for evil weapons.

I've said that I agree with red flag laws. Some of which are airway in place I've said I agree with a agree raise on these weapons. But, you're missing the point on the gun ban. The weapon doesn't matter no matter how much you kick and scream that it does. They will find another and another.

Start enforcing the laws that are already on the books. Stop looking the other way because they are minors, or not giving a crap because they're in poor areas. Stop letting repeat offenders out repeatedly. These seem like simple things that can turn the tide of all of this. But, if you feel better because of a silly ban, I don't know what to tell you. Good luck with that!

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Start enforcing the laws that are already on the books.

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I think that is the main thing that needs to happen, right now...

People are getting tired of DA's not doing their job. Look at the San Fransisco DA that just got recalled. Hopefully, people are starting to get behind the idea of enforcing laws...

BTW, that S.F. DA just said he lost because of billionaire republican spending. Didn't he get elected with the help of Soros?

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Start enforcing the laws that are already on the books. Stop looking the other way because they are minors, or not giving a crap because they're in poor areas. Stop letting repeat offenders out repeatedly. These seem like simple things that can turn the tide of all of this. But, if you feel better because of a silly ban, I don't know what to tell you. Good luck with that!

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B... b... but that's racist! (using my best Chem voiceover as I type this)

*Sorry Chem, but it's true...

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But why'd they choose an AR instead of a hand gun? Or a hunting rifle? Or a knife, car, baseball bat? Do we agree that an AR tends to do a lot more damage a lot more quickly than any of those others?

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You really do not have a damn clue about guns do you?

And hell no.... you take any number of "guns" that would do a lot more damage more quickly than an AR.

Watch this... Not going to engage you in explanation. You do not even have a rudimentary understanding of firearms.

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BTW, that S.F. DA just said he lost because of billionaire republican spending. Didn't he get elected with the help of Soros?

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Now, that's really rich right there!

Only way anything electionwise in California politics gets decided fully depends on how the democratic majority votes... but I'm sure this D.A. response will get parroted all over MSNBC, CNN etc... for the next week or two!

Cue up that "Russian disinformation" tagline again.

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No, they have people assaulting with knives and dump trucks and any of a number of things they can come up with. Do you remember the TEC 9? It was a semi automatic weapon that was glorified in many a rap song I used to listen to back in the day. In fact it was used in the Columbine shooting. It was also part of the famous assault weapons ban that everyone points to. And to you know what happened, along came the AR 15. The current poster child for evil weapons.

I've said that I agree with red flag laws. Some of which are airway in place I've said I agree with a agree raise on these weapons. But, you're missing the point on the gun ban. The weapon doesn't matter no matter how much you kick and scream that it does. They will find another and another.

Start enforcing the laws that are already on the books. Stop looking the other way because they are minors, or not giving a crap because they're in poor areas. Stop letting repeat offenders out repeatedly. These seem like simple things that can turn the tide of all of this. But, if you feel better because of a silly ban, I don't know what to tell you. Good luck with that!

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Weird....so everything is to blame except for the device that is used consistently in these types of shootings. The weapon that isn't available in other countries, where these things don't occur (or are very very rare exceptions)
But don't look at the weapon.

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No, they have people assaulting with knives and dump trucks and any of a number of things they can come up with. Do you remember the TEC 9? It was a semi automatic weapon that was glorified in many a rap song I used to listen to back in the day. In fact it was used in the Columbine shooting. It was also part of the famous assault weapons ban that everyone points to. And to you know what happened, along came the AR 15. The current poster child for evil weapons.

I've said that I agree with red flag laws. Some of which are airway in place I've said I agree with a agree raise on these weapons. But, you're missing the point on the gun ban. The weapon doesn't matter no matter how much you kick and scream that it does. They will find another and another.

Start enforcing the laws that are already on the books. Stop looking the other way because they are minors, or not giving a crap because they're in poor areas. Stop letting repeat offenders out repeatedly. These seem like simple things that can turn the tide of all of this. But, if you feel better because of a silly ban, I don't know what to tell you. Good luck with that!

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Weird....so everything is to blame except for the device that is used consistently in these types of shootings. The weapon that isn't available in other countries, where these things don't occur (or are very very rare exceptions)
But don't look at the weapon.

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Does the weapon shoot by itself?

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The lefties have told us what their end game is. Starting in November we need to let them know they aren't turning this country into their MARXIST utopia that they long for.

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LOL BBW back to his broken record bolded "MARXIST" epithet.
He just can't help himself. Poor widdle BBW....can't come up with anything new?
It is like MAGA Tourettes. He just has to include a bold faced MARXIST in every post.
So predictable he is....over and over again.

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Again, I ask…. Who the hell is this joker?

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Cast off scrub from PP... Looks like he's banned from that site. You see why? He is a stalker of epic proportions. Never actually posts anything. Just trolls threads and tries to derail. He had several aliases there and was outed when he logged in with the wrong one and basically answered his "other" alias under the same name.

It was caught by many and he denied like hell but it was obvious. Ignore him. I think it's hilarious that he is still surfing message boards looking for some type of validation. Guess mommy let him have the password to the Wi-Fi again!

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Like everything else you post: wrong.
I am still over at PP....why don't you let everyone else in on why you were banned from PP....it can't be MARXIST mods because they are center right to far right over there.....must sting that normal conservatives over at PP don't accept you and your insane far right viewpoint. At least you have a couple of other religious zealots over here to support your views! You can have your little stormfront clubhouse over here!

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Start enforcing the laws that are already on the books. Stop looking the other way because they are minors, or not giving a crap because they're in poor areas. Stop letting repeat offenders out repeatedly. These seem like simple things that can turn the tide of all of this. But, if you feel better because of a silly ban, I don't know what to tell you. Good luck with that!

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B... b... but that's racist! (using my best Chem voiceover as I type this)

*Sorry Chem, but it's true...

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Ive never said enforcing laws is racist. I've said ignoring types of assaults performed primarily by white men and continually pointing to those black people is. But....I'm moving on.

BTW, I hope my voiceover is in an Andy Griffith tone...not the one from his first season, where he clearly overdid it, but the genteel southern gentleman voice from later seasons!

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No, they have people assaulting with knives and dump trucks and any of a number of things they can come up with. Do you remember the TEC 9? It was a semi automatic weapon that was glorified in many a rap song I used to listen to back in the day. In fact it was used in the Columbine shooting. It was also part of the famous assault weapons ban that everyone points to. And to you know what happened, along came the AR 15. The current poster child for evil weapons.

I've said that I agree with red flag laws. Some of which are airway in place I've said I agree with a agree raise on these weapons. But, you're missing the point on the gun ban. The weapon doesn't matter no matter how much you kick and scream that it does. They will find another and another.

Start enforcing the laws that are already on the books. Stop looking the other way because they are minors, or not giving a crap because they're in poor areas. Stop letting repeat offenders out repeatedly. These seem like simple things that can turn the tide of all of this. But, if you feel better because of a silly ban, I don't know what to tell you. Good luck with that!

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Weird....so everything is to blame except for the device that is used consistently in these types of shootings. The weapon that isn't available in other countries, where these things don't occur (or are very very rare exceptions)
But don't look at the weapon.

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Does the weapon shoot by itself?

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Got it...so its convenient to not discuss why this is unique to us, when clearly disturbed people are not unique to us, even though the argument is "its the disturbed people".
How convenient!

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No, they have people assaulting with knives and dump trucks and any of a number of things they can come up with. Do you remember the TEC 9? It was a semi automatic weapon that was glorified in many a rap song I used to listen to back in the day. In fact it was used in the Columbine shooting. It was also part of the famous assault weapons ban that everyone points to. And to you know what happened, along came the AR 15. The current poster child for evil weapons.

I've said that I agree with red flag laws. Some of which are airway in place I've said I agree with a agree raise on these weapons. But, you're missing the point on the gun ban. The weapon doesn't matter no matter how much you kick and scream that it does. They will find another and another.

Start enforcing the laws that are already on the books. Stop looking the other way because they are minors, or not giving a crap because they're in poor areas. Stop letting repeat offenders out repeatedly. These seem like simple things that can turn the tide of all of this. But, if you feel better because of a silly ban, I don't know what to tell you. Good luck with that!

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Weird....so everything is to blame except for the device that is used consistently in these types of shootings. The weapon that isn't available in other countries, where these things don't occur (or are very very rare exceptions)
But don't look at the weapon.

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Does the weapon shoot by itself?

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Got it...so its convenient to not discuss why this is unique to us, when clearly disturbed people are not unique to us, even though the argument is "its the disturbed people".
How convenient!

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Actually it's pronounced "how truthful."

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No, they have people assaulting with knives and dump trucks and any of a number of things they can come up with. Do you remember the TEC 9? It was a semi automatic weapon that was glorified in many a rap song I used to listen to back in the day. In fact it was used in the Columbine shooting. It was also part of the famous assault weapons ban that everyone points to. And to you know what happened, along came the AR 15. The current poster child for evil weapons.

I've said that I agree with red flag laws. Some of which are airway in place I've said I agree with a agree raise on these weapons. But, you're missing the point on the gun ban. The weapon doesn't matter no matter how much you kick and scream that it does. They will find another and another.

Start enforcing the laws that are already on the books. Stop looking the other way because they are minors, or not giving a crap because they're in poor areas. Stop letting repeat offenders out repeatedly. These seem like simple things that can turn the tide of all of this. But, if you feel better because of a silly ban, I don't know what to tell you. Good luck with that!

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Weird....so everything is to blame except for the device that is used consistently in these types of shootings. The weapon that isn't available in other countries, where these things don't occur (or are very very rare exceptions)
But don't look at the weapon.

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Does the weapon shoot by itself?

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Got it...so its convenient to not discuss why this is unique to us, when clearly disturbed people are not unique to us, even though the argument is "its the disturbed people".
How convenient!

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Like usual, you misrepresent someone's argument. You are so incredibly ignorant on the topic though, it's literally all you have.

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No, they have people assaulting with knives and dump trucks and any of a number of things they can come up with. Do you remember the TEC 9? It was a semi automatic weapon that was glorified in many a rap song I used to listen to back in the day. In fact it was used in the Columbine shooting. It was also part of the famous assault weapons ban that everyone points to. And to you know what happened, along came the AR 15. The current poster child for evil weapons.

I've said that I agree with red flag laws. Some of which are airway in place I've said I agree with a agree raise on these weapons. But, you're missing the point on the gun ban. The weapon doesn't matter no matter how much you kick and scream that it does. They will find another and another.

Start enforcing the laws that are already on the books. Stop looking the other way because they are minors, or not giving a crap because they're in poor areas. Stop letting repeat offenders out repeatedly. These seem like simple things that can turn the tide of all of this. But, if you feel better because of a silly ban, I don't know what to tell you. Good luck with that!

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Weird....so everything is to blame except for the device that is used consistently in these types of shootings. The weapon that isn't available in other countries, where these things don't occur (or are very very rare exceptions)
But don't look at the weapon.

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Does the weapon shoot by itself?

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Got it...so its convenient to not discuss why this is unique to us, when clearly disturbed people are not unique to us, even though the argument is "its the disturbed people".
How convenient!

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Like usual, you misrepresent someone's argument. You are so incredibly ignorant on the topic though, it's literally all you have.

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Hmmmm, wonder why he replied "how truthful". Crazy.

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No, they have people assaulting with knives and dump trucks and any of a number of things they can come up with. Do you remember the TEC 9? It was a semi automatic weapon that was glorified in many a rap song I used to listen to back in the day. In fact it was used in the Columbine shooting. It was also part of the famous assault weapons ban that everyone points to. And to you know what happened, along came the AR 15. The current poster child for evil weapons.

I've said that I agree with red flag laws. Some of which are airway in place I've said I agree with a agree raise on these weapons. But, you're missing the point on the gun ban. The weapon doesn't matter no matter how much you kick and scream that it does. They will find another and another.

Start enforcing the laws that are already on the books. Stop looking the other way because they are minors, or not giving a crap because they're in poor areas. Stop letting repeat offenders out repeatedly. These seem like simple things that can turn the tide of all of this. But, if you feel better because of a silly ban, I don't know what to tell you. Good luck with that!

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Weird....so everything is to blame except for the device that is used consistently in these types of shootings. The weapon that isn't available in other countries, where these things don't occur (or are very very rare exceptions)
But don't look at the weapon.

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Does the weapon shoot by itself?

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Got it...so its convenient to not discuss why this is unique to us, when clearly disturbed people are not unique to us, even though the argument is "its the disturbed people".
How convenient!

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Like usual, you misrepresent someone's argument. You are so incredibly ignorant on the topic though, it's literally all you have.

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Hmmmm, wonder why he replied "how truthful". Crazy.

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I I'll answer that. Because it's the truth that you fail to recognize. Pretty straight forward. When I was a kid and threw a rock and broke a window, "It was the rock's fault" didn't work.

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packgrad said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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No, they have people assaulting with knives and dump trucks and any of a number of things they can come up with. Do you remember the TEC 9? It was a semi automatic weapon that was glorified in many a rap song I used to listen to back in the day. In fact it was used in the Columbine shooting. It was also part of the famous assault weapons ban that everyone points to. And to you know what happened, along came the AR 15. The current poster child for evil weapons.

I've said that I agree with red flag laws. Some of which are airway in place I've said I agree with a agree raise on these weapons. But, you're missing the point on the gun ban. The weapon doesn't matter no matter how much you kick and scream that it does. They will find another and another.

Start enforcing the laws that are already on the books. Stop looking the other way because they are minors, or not giving a crap because they're in poor areas. Stop letting repeat offenders out repeatedly. These seem like simple things that can turn the tide of all of this. But, if you feel better because of a silly ban, I don't know what to tell you. Good luck with that!

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Weird....so everything is to blame except for the device that is used consistently in these types of shootings. The weapon that isn't available in other countries, where these things don't occur (or are very very rare exceptions)
But don't look at the weapon.

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Does the weapon shoot by itself?

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Got it...so its convenient to not discuss why this is unique to us, when clearly disturbed people are not unique to us, even though the argument is "its the disturbed people".
How convenient!

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Like usual, you misrepresent someone's argument. You are so incredibly ignorant on the topic though, it's literally all you have.

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Hmmmm, wonder why he replied "how truthful". Crazy.

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There's been plenty of discussion about what happened, mental health, and guns. Only a belligerent fool claims there hasn't been discussion on why it happens here. You're a one trick pony. Ban ARs. Because you're brainwashed and ignorant on the topic. Instead of admitting that, you continuously shout at the rain. Like democrats in congress.

Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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packgrad said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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No, they have people assaulting with knives and dump trucks and any of a number of things they can come up with. Do you remember the TEC 9? It was a semi automatic weapon that was glorified in many a rap song I used to listen to back in the day. In fact it was used in the Columbine shooting. It was also part of the famous assault weapons ban that everyone points to. And to you know what happened, along came the AR 15. The current poster child for evil weapons.

I've said that I agree with red flag laws. Some of which are airway in place I've said I agree with a agree raise on these weapons. But, you're missing the point on the gun ban. The weapon doesn't matter no matter how much you kick and scream that it does. They will find another and another.

Start enforcing the laws that are already on the books. Stop looking the other way because they are minors, or not giving a crap because they're in poor areas. Stop letting repeat offenders out repeatedly. These seem like simple things that can turn the tide of all of this. But, if you feel better because of a silly ban, I don't know what to tell you. Good luck with that!

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Weird....so everything is to blame except for the device that is used consistently in these types of shootings. The weapon that isn't available in other countries, where these things don't occur (or are very very rare exceptions)
But don't look at the weapon.

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Does the weapon shoot by itself?

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Got it...so its convenient to not discuss why this is unique to us, when clearly disturbed people are not unique to us, even though the argument is "its the disturbed people".
How convenient!

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Like usual, you misrepresent someone's argument. You are so incredibly ignorant on the topic though, it's literally all you have.

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Hmmmm, wonder why he replied "how truthful". Crazy.

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I I'll answer that. Because it's the truth that you fail to recognize. Pretty straight forward. When I was a kid and threw a rock and broke a window, "It was the rock's fault" didn't work.

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OK. Silly.
Here is the bottom line

We have tons of guns easily available.
Most countries do not
People are crazy and mean everywhere (name a place that doesn't watch violent US made movies or video games or whatever else is supposed to effect kids)
The US is unique in having schools and businesses shot up.

There is one thing that is unique there. You can say its not the guns just like it wasnt your silly rock story. But it was most certainly the access to guns that have enabled these.
Access that we have proven not to be able to regulate.

Calling someone a cast off scrub from PP is ironic when you are a cast off scrub from PP

packgrad said:

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Packchem91 said:

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packgrad said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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No, they have people assaulting with knives and dump trucks and any of a number of things they can come up with. Do you remember the TEC 9? It was a semi automatic weapon that was glorified in many a rap song I used to listen to back in the day. In fact it was used in the Columbine shooting. It was also part of the famous assault weapons ban that everyone points to. And to you know what happened, along came the AR 15. The current poster child for evil weapons.

I've said that I agree with red flag laws. Some of which are airway in place I've said I agree with a agree raise on these weapons. But, you're missing the point on the gun ban. The weapon doesn't matter no matter how much you kick and scream that it does. They will find another and another.

Start enforcing the laws that are already on the books. Stop looking the other way because they are minors, or not giving a crap because they're in poor areas. Stop letting repeat offenders out repeatedly. These seem like simple things that can turn the tide of all of this. But, if you feel better because of a silly ban, I don't know what to tell you. Good luck with that!

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Weird....so everything is to blame except for the device that is used consistently in these types of shootings. The weapon that isn't available in other countries, where these things don't occur (or are very very rare exceptions)
But don't look at the weapon.

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Does the weapon shoot by itself?

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Got it...so its convenient to not discuss why this is unique to us, when clearly disturbed people are not unique to us, even though the argument is "its the disturbed people".
How convenient!

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Like usual, you misrepresent someone's argument. You are so incredibly ignorant on the topic though, it's literally all you have.

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Hmmmm, wonder why he replied "how truthful". Crazy.

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There's been plenty of discussion about what happened, mental health, and guns. Only a belligerent fool claims there hasn't been discussion on why it happens here. You're a one trick pony. Ban ARs. Because you're brainwashed and ignorant on the topic. Instead of admitting that, you continuously shout at the rain. Like democrats in congress.

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So you keep misrepresenting, just like you whine about.

Saying a waiting period should be applied to all AR purchases is not asking for banning.
Promoting the FL model of judges actively taking guns away from bad people is not asking for banning.
Saying we have an access issue -- which is clearly evidenced by looking at comparable developed nations -- is not asking for banning.

Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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packgrad said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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No, they have people assaulting with knives and dump trucks and any of a number of things they can come up with. Do you remember the TEC 9? It was a semi automatic weapon that was glorified in many a rap song I used to listen to back in the day. In fact it was used in the Columbine shooting. It was also part of the famous assault weapons ban that everyone points to. And to you know what happened, along came the AR 15. The current poster child for evil weapons.

I've said that I agree with red flag laws. Some of which are airway in place I've said I agree with a agree raise on these weapons. But, you're missing the point on the gun ban. The weapon doesn't matter no matter how much you kick and scream that it does. They will find another and another.

Start enforcing the laws that are already on the books. Stop looking the other way because they are minors, or not giving a crap because they're in poor areas. Stop letting repeat offenders out repeatedly. These seem like simple things that can turn the tide of all of this. But, if you feel better because of a silly ban, I don't know what to tell you. Good luck with that!

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Weird....so everything is to blame except for the device that is used consistently in these types of shootings. The weapon that isn't available in other countries, where these things don't occur (or are very very rare exceptions)
But don't look at the weapon.

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Does the weapon shoot by itself?

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Got it...so its convenient to not discuss why this is unique to us, when clearly disturbed people are not unique to us, even though the argument is "its the disturbed people".
How convenient!

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Like usual, you misrepresent someone's argument. You are so incredibly ignorant on the topic though, it's literally all you have.

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Hmmmm, wonder why he replied "how truthful". Crazy.

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I I'll answer that. Because it's the truth that you fail to recognize. Pretty straight forward. When I was a kid and threw a rock and broke a window, "It was the rock's fault" didn't work.

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OK. Silly.
Here is the bottom line

We have tons of guns easily available.
Most countries do not
People are crazy and mean everywhere (name a place that doesn't watch violent US made movies or video games or whatever else is supposed to effect kids)
The US is unique in having schools and businesses shot up.

There is one thing that is unique there. You can say its not the guns just like it wasnt your silly rock story. But it was most certainly the access to guns that have enabled these.
Access that we have proven not to be able to regulate.

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You can call whatever example silly you want to. It makes you happy I guess. The premise is right in point. You just refuse to acknowledge it.

You keep making reference to other countries. Apples to oranges! Show me another country with a constitution similar to ours and freedoms similar to ours and societal issues like ours. Then maybe we can have a discussion that compares the two. Until then, I stand by my point. No gun pulls its own trigger. Have you ever seen that defense used in court?

FUNDING SAFETY: Senate Republicans say $150 billion of unused COVID-19 relief funds should be put toward school security measures. https://t.co/VtYdG694m7 pic.twitter.com/iUZUAzfh6v

— Fox News (@FoxNews) June 9, 2022

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Calling someone a cast off scrub from PP is ironic when you are a cast off scrub from PP

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The difference between me & him? I am still in good standing at the BY and contributing to discussions there. Well that and I am not a far right religious zealot lunatic who has to BOLD & CAPITALIZE words in my posts.

packgrad said:

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FUNDING SAFETY: Senate Republicans say $150 billion of unused COVID-19 relief funds should be put toward school security measures. https://t.co/VtYdG694m7 pic.twitter.com/iUZUAzfh6v

— Fox News (@FoxNews) June 9, 2022

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That's a lot of door deletions!

Keep being you my friend

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Keep being you my friend

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I presume you're not a mod anymore. He has literally posted nothing related to the thread at all.

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Keep being you my friend

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Ahhh... so a new recruit to team Glass?

packgrad said:

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Keep being you my friend

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I presume you're not a mod anymore. He has literally posted nothing related to the thread at all.

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LOL. That's because he's only here for BBW... pretty much like most of the others excepting Civ.

That old moth to the flame effect... they just can't resist it, no matter how hard they may try.

Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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packgrad said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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No, they have people assaulting with knives and dump trucks and any of a number of things they can come up with. Do you remember the TEC 9? It was a semi automatic weapon that was glorified in many a rap song I used to listen to back in the day. In fact it was used in the Columbine shooting. It was also part of the famous assault weapons ban that everyone points to. And to you know what happened, along came the AR 15. The current poster child for evil weapons.

I've said that I agree with red flag laws. Some of which are airway in place I've said I agree with a agree raise on these weapons. But, you're missing the point on the gun ban. The weapon doesn't matter no matter how much you kick and scream that it does. They will find another and another.

Start enforcing the laws that are already on the books. Stop looking the other way because they are minors, or not giving a crap because they're in poor areas. Stop letting repeat offenders out repeatedly. These seem like simple things that can turn the tide of all of this. But, if you feel better because of a silly ban, I don't know what to tell you. Good luck with that!

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Weird....so everything is to blame except for the device that is used consistently in these types of shootings. The weapon that isn't available in other countries, where these things don't occur (or are very very rare exceptions)
But don't look at the weapon.

---

Does the weapon shoot by itself?

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Got it...so its convenient to not discuss why this is unique to us, when clearly disturbed people are not unique to us, even though the argument is "its the disturbed people".
How convenient!

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Like usual, you misrepresent someone's argument. You are so incredibly ignorant on the topic though, it's literally all you have.

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Hmmmm, wonder why he replied "how truthful". Crazy.

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I I'll answer that. Because it's the truth that you fail to recognize. Pretty straight forward. When I was a kid and threw a rock and broke a window, "It was the rock's fault" didn't work.

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OK. Silly.
Here is the bottom line

We have tons of guns easily available.
Most countries do not
People are crazy and mean everywhere (name a place that doesn't watch violent US made movies or video games or whatever else is supposed to effect kids)
The US is unique in having schools and businesses shot up.

There is one thing that is unique there. You can say its not the guns just like it wasnt your silly rock story. But it was most certainly the access to guns that have enabled these.
Access that we have proven not to be able to regulate.

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You can call whatever example silly you want to. It makes you happy I guess. The premise is right in point. You just refuse to acknowledge it.

You keep making reference to other countries. Apples to oranges! Show me another country with a constitution similar to ours and freedoms similar to ours and societal issues like ours. Then maybe we can have a discussion that compares the two. Until then, I stand by my point. No gun pulls its own trigger. Have you ever seen that defense used in court?

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Well since you want to stick with it.....lets assume breaking windows is bad. Its hard to recover glass products, so a loss of a window is life-changing.

So....instead of just being able to grab a rock from your driveway, they were controlled. And Lil' Steve had to go with his father to a local constable to ask permission to be given a rock (I'm gracious, and not even going to make you pay for it). He's mad. He stomps his feet and gets some powerful folks to support him, its a God-given right to have rocks. But...you'll still be able to have them, we just want to make sure everything is kosher.

Because windows are so precious -- i mean, nothing on the order of a human life, but still irreplaceable....they look at your internet, and low and behold, Lil' Steve has thousands of videos of Ernest T Bass throwing rocks thru the windows of Mayberry and has created his own little shrine to breaking windows. He has an Ernest T Bass costume in his closet. He's emailed his friends letting them know he intends to throw rocks at windows.

So by making you wait a couple of days, we've found out your a little devil! We don't need you breaking windows. So why give you an innocent little rock, when you can't handle it appropriately?

OTOH, if you're all clean, and you're in church every week, you carry the neighbor's groceries, and A-B student, etc...nothing to worry about, take these rocks son! Sure, you had to wait a few days, but you still got your rocks!

So....sure, the rock didn't throw itself, its just a dumb little rock, but at least we kept someone who had proven to be incapable of behaving from making his behavior even more egregious.

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Calling someone a cast off scrub from PP is ironic when you are a cast off scrub from PP

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You can't quit me can you?

After threatening to dox me and making a joke about children being massacred I thought you would take some time off. But no....

Living in your head rent free aren't I?

What a pillar of the community....LOL....

This has been discussed and re-discussed. I posted the facts from numerous websites as to why we have a mass shooting problem in this country.

You only care about white males who shoot up public places with AR-15's. You admitted as much.

Look in the mirror. There you will find the problem in America. You and your political party care only about power. You don't give a damn about the thousands killed each year because they don't warrant media coverage. I listed the reasons why you don't but you blatantly ignored them like a good little lefty.