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But now, all the sudden, when everyone starts talking about all these active shooter incidents and proliferation with very little controls of ARs, guys are coming out of the woodwork to talk about inner city shootings.

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ARs are controlled exactly the same as every other semi-automatic weapon. The same lethality exists with semi-automatic weapons in handgun form as in rifle form. The reason inner city killings are mentioned is those locations usually already have the gun bans you prefer with no positive effect. Likewise, those locations are governed by Democrats who try to politicize gun control for hoped for gains in the election booth. Time and time again we see these methods don't help Democrats, but they continue to try the same failed policies.

People choosing to go out in a blaze of "glory" accomplish absolutely nothing. Their actions suck and we all wish they would limit the damage to no more than themselves. Unfortunately, the rest of the reactions are virtue signals that offer little more than making the signaler feel better.

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Chem you have made SEVERAL racists posts over the last few weeks. FACT. Don't ask me to post them because I could care less. I called you out for them numerous times. People saw them and so did you.

I took a portion of one of your recent posts and I am going to post it for everyone to see that hasn't. I'm guessing more people read what I post than what you do. You never post anything of any substance anyway and always play the victim/race card.

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And correct, no one cares about murders in inner city (except for a small sliver of people who are impacted by it directly). If anyone of ability to influence actually cared, things would already have been done. Instead, it just plods along, the same as it ever was. Are you disagreeing with this? - Packchem91 3:30 p.m. 6/8/2022

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Imagine one of the Conservative posters making the same comments. We would be vilified to no ends and rightfully so. You are saying that the lives of the people, mostly kids, who are killed are meaningless and not worth the trouble of discussing.

Pathetic isn't the word to describe this. If you were to say that in public whatever type of job you have, if you do have a job, you wouldn't for long.

Here are the reasons you don't want to address it

• In order to begin fixing it you have to admit there is a problem
• By admitting there is a problem you will be admitting that decades of left run cities are a failure and in disarray
• By admitting that you would be admitting that the very group the party depends on for winning elections has been left to die in the streets
• Showing attention to the problem would bring up the issue of what the hell took so long and why all of a sudden after 50+ years do you care now?
• Also grand standing every two years and placating to them only to leave them to die again the day after the election would be exposed for all to see
• The leaders, black, white, Hispanic or whatever would also be exposed as failures because they were in charge for decades and did NOTHING

You see where this is going? You and your lefty brethren can't address the issue because you are completely responsible for the issue and have since its' inception.

Here are a few people who are complicit in the situation as well that very well could speak out against but don't.

• Barrack Hussein Obama - former Senator of Illinois, former POTUS - Illinois
• Kamala Harris - Former DA/Senator, current VPOTUS - California
• Cory Booker - Senate Member - New Jersey
• James Clyburn - 3rd Ranking Member of the House of Rep. since 1993 - South Carolina
• Maxine Waters - House of Rep. Member since 1991 - California
• Eddie Bernice Johnson - House of Rep Member since 1993 - TX
• Sanford Bishop - House of Rep. member since 1993 GA
• Shelia Jackson Lee - House of Rep. member since 1995 TX
• Danny Davis - House of Rep. member since 1997 - Illinois

The rest of the list you can access here. It is not a "right wing propaganda site" or meme like you and your lefty brigade accuse me of only posting. I post articles, news clips and the occasional funny as hell meme or one with statistics.

https://cbc.house.gov/membership/

Oh... I forgot to list the mayors of the cities that are victimized nightly.... Why don't you look those up and get back to me.

Look forward to hearing your well thought out and factual response.

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Yes I said that. Its true. You can keep showing it, as far as I'm concerned. Or you can try to prove me wrong. Its incredibly sad, but you'll not convince me that enough people care to do anything.


Versus this.
Poster 1. So many people are being killed by ARs. Why do people have such powerful weapons, especially so young and even if they have signs of being off kiltered?
Poster 2. Oh this is a good discussion....it fits a national topic that is very germane
Poster 3. Yeah, but I'm not sure its going to do much good, we've tried that.
Poster 4. Abortion, abortion, abortion.
Poster 5. But what about all those black people -- look at all the demos, if it weren't for all those black people, we'd be low crime. Black people are the fault. Oh, and its black leaders fault for not doing anything about their people.

LOL....if your supporters here don't look at that and thing, dayum, he is bad...then I don't know what to say. You should roll that line of thinking into some twitter argument. I'd enjoy watching you rolling out your "blame Obama for the ongoing crime" argument.

Heck, I ran my line of thinking past 3 black adults who work for me to make sure I wasn't smoking something....and they pretty much agreed, though with a bit of frustration.

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You spin like a DJ...

I don't have to prove you wrong. I just want to point out how racist you and your party are against the inner city crime victims. Again.. prove me wrong. Show your work. You didn't address a single damn thing I posted. All you did was make veiled racist accusations.

I told you the facts. What did you do? Tried to turn it into some type of pathetic comedy routine. And you failed.

And here's some free advice... calling an AR-15 "powerful" while not knowing that there a hell of a lot more powerful semi-automatic weapons out there that you could care less about banning is once again telling that you don't know **** about guns. Sit this one, along with pretty much every conversation on here, out.

You could care less about legitimate discussion. You are a classic narcissist that can't accept the fact that your arguments are Swiss Cheese and dry bread. Full of holes and no substance.

Back to the crayons and window... you've had too much playtime today.

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One person calls attention to inner city violence and his bad the statistics are, and one person says who gives a **** about them because it's been going on for years and isn't going to change. Which one is racist?

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Lol. You can call me whatever you want.
Show me where you've started threads about the inner city crime and how to cure it (well, other than your comment about all the poor people just moving -did you appeal to your city councils to redone your community yet to accommodate that)?
Show me where folks like up to drop off flowers and stuffed animals and such at the site of these inner city killings?

Do you really think they get treated the same? By anyone?
It's really a simple question.

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Nope, I did about as much as you've done to make a change.

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EXACTLY my point, thank you. No one does anything....why? Because no one really cares. You can deny it, you can dress it up, but I can't come up with any other reasoning, can you?

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Sometimes it's just a matter of how much someone cares. But, I would never consider a group of people a lost cause just because I didn't or couldn't do anything about it.

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And they were only going to remove the statues of the Confederacy. You can't give an inch to those people.

That bill is probably filled with pork... more money for Ukraine, more money for the arts, more money for the Ice Cream Queen's esplanade etc.... remember... they can "read it after it is passed...."

The lefties have told us what their end game is. Starting in November we need to let them know they aren't turning this country into their MARXIST utopia that they long for.

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One person calls attention to inner city violence and his bad the statistics are, and one person says who gives a **** about them because it's been going on for years and isn't going to change. Which one is racist?

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Lol. You can call me whatever you want.
Show me where you've started threads about the inner city crime and how to cure it (well, other than your comment about all the poor people just moving -did you appeal to your city councils to redone your community yet to accommodate that)?
Show me where folks like up to drop off flowers and stuffed animals and such at the site of these inner city killings?

Do you really think they get treated the same? By anyone?
It's really a simple question.

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Nope, I did about as much as you've done to make a change.

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EXACTLY my point, thank you. No one does anything....why? Because no one really cares. You can deny it, you can dress it up, but I can't come up with any other reasoning, can you?

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Sometimes it's just a matter of how much someone cares. But, I would never consider a group of people a lost cause just because I didn't or couldn't do anything about it.

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Don't confuse lost cause with "nothing has changed because no one has cared enough".
Things could change --- but its going to take a concerted effort.

And still....has zero to do with the incidents in Buffalo or Uvalde or the 60 active shooter incidents the FBI quantified last year.
Want to define solutions...great, but they should be treated differently, because they are 2 completely different use cases.

This is fun! How about we have a little more discourse and stop calling each other racists?

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But now, all the sudden, when everyone starts talking about all these active shooter incidents and proliferation with very little controls of ARs, guys are coming out of the woodwork to talk about inner city shootings.

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ARs are controlled exactly the same as every other semi-automatic weapon. The same lethality exists with semi-automatic weapons in handgun form as in rifle form. The reason inner city killings are mentioned is those locations usually already have the gun bans you prefer with no positive effect. Likewise, those locations are governed by Democrats who try to politicize gun control for hoped for gains in the election booth. Time and time again we see these methods don't help Democrats, but they continue to try the same failed policies.

People choosing to go out in a blaze of "glory" accomplish absolutely nothing. Their actions suck and we all wish they would limit the damage to no more than themselves. Unfortunately, the rest of the reactions are virtue signals that offer little more than making the signaler feel better.

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I didn't miss it. No more than you missed the fact that these killings we are discussing aren't happening with baseball bats (laughable). They are happening with guns that maybe should have a little more control?

Hokie says waiting time for 18-21. Why only 18-21? Why not for all purchases? What is it impacting if the government (or whatever agency) does some thorough review on each AR purchase?
Does the crazies stop at 21?

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And they were only going to remove the statues of the Confederacy. You can't give an inch to those people.

That bill is probably filled with pork... more money for Ukraine, more money for the arts, more money for the Ice Cream Queen's esplanade etc.... remember... they can "read it after it is passed...."

The lefties have told us what their end game is. Starting in November we need to let them know they aren't turning this country into their MARXIST utopia that they long for.

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But now, all the sudden, when everyone starts talking about all these active shooter incidents and proliferation with very little controls of ARs, guys are coming out of the woodwork to talk about inner city shootings.

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ARs are controlled exactly the same as every other semi-automatic weapon. The same lethality exists with semi-automatic weapons in handgun form as in rifle form. The reason inner city killings are mentioned is those locations usually already have the gun bans you prefer with no positive effect. Likewise, those locations are governed by Democrats who try to politicize gun control for hoped for gains in the election booth. Time and time again we see these methods don't help Democrats, but they continue to try the same failed policies.

People choosing to go out in a blaze of "glory" accomplish absolutely nothing. Their actions suck and we all wish they would limit the damage to no more than themselves. Unfortunately, the rest of the reactions are virtue signals that offer little more than making the signaler feel better.

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I didn't miss it. No more than you missed the fact that these killings we are discussing aren't happening with baseball bats (laughable). They are happening with guns that maybe should have a little more control?

Hokie says waiting time for 18-21. Why only 18-21? Why not for all purchases? What is it impacting if the government (or whatever agency) does some thorough review on each AR purchase?
Does the crazies stop at 21?

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Guns have more control. Just because you are ignorant of that doesn't mean everyone else is.

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But now, all the sudden, when everyone starts talking about all these active shooter incidents and proliferation with very little controls of ARs, guys are coming out of the woodwork to talk about inner city shootings.

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ARs are controlled exactly the same as every other semi-automatic weapon. The same lethality exists with semi-automatic weapons in handgun form as in rifle form. The reason inner city killings are mentioned is those locations usually already have the gun bans you prefer with no positive effect. Likewise, those locations are governed by Democrats who try to politicize gun control for hoped for gains in the election booth. Time and time again we see these methods don't help Democrats, but they continue to try the same failed policies.

People choosing to go out in a blaze of "glory" accomplish absolutely nothing. Their actions suck and we all wish they would limit the damage to no more than themselves. Unfortunately, the rest of the reactions are virtue signals that offer little more than making the signaler feel better.

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I didn't miss it. No more than you missed the fact that these killings we are discussing aren't happening with baseball bats (laughable). They are happening with guns that maybe should have a little more control?

Hokie says waiting time for 18-21. Why only 18-21? Why not for all purchases? What is it impacting if the government (or whatever agency) does some thorough review on each AR purchase?
Does the crazies stop at 21?

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Baseball bats is supposed to be a meaningful retort???

Again, the same lethality of weapon has already been banned in most major Democratically controlled cities. No effect!

If you think a waiting period for folks of any age is going to stop school shootings, I don't know what to tell you. As hokie and others have stated, the problems are not with the weapons but with the people.

In order to make substantive change, we have to stop with the virtue signaling and begin to address the core issues.

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but we need them to hunt squirrels at 18 yo.

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Despite what LIES that far Left communist yahoos are spouting these days, the purpose of the Second Amendment was never to hunt squirrels or deer.

The purpose is right there in the plain language of the text...because a "militia is necessary for the security of the state" (paraphrasing). A militia. An army. To defend the nation...against other armies or governments. Meaning people need to be armed with military-grade weaponry.

Can communists read? Do Leftist communist dupes just expect us to believe their ridiculous lies?

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A well regulated militia. I think that means we should do more regulating of it, don't you?

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that's not what you think it means. It's also the argument that was rejected in the Heller decision

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Question Hokie.....do you think the most likely compromise (raising age of AR purchases) should be pursued?

(of course, the focus right now is 18 yo becausee the last two were 18, but the majority who conducted these active shooter situations in 2021 were 30+ years old).

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No, I do not think that is the most likely compromise. I think the most likely compromise is a waiting period for ages 18-21. I think that's the best possible outcome.

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waiting periods....why not for all ages then? Its not impacting your right even as a 50 year old, why not a waiting period for all?
again, for all the focus on 18 yos, older people sure do like to shoot up people and buildings.

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I guess you should call your Senator and ask them that question. I just think that's going to end up being the compromise and one thing that has a chance of passing

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But now, all the sudden, when everyone starts talking about all these active shooter incidents and proliferation with very little controls of ARs, guys are coming out of the woodwork to talk about inner city shootings.

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ARs are controlled exactly the same as every other semi-automatic weapon. The same lethality exists with semi-automatic weapons in handgun form as in rifle form. The reason inner city killings are mentioned is those locations usually already have the gun bans you prefer with no positive effect. Likewise, those locations are governed by Democrats who try to politicize gun control for hoped for gains in the election booth. Time and time again we see these methods don't help Democrats, but they continue to try the same failed policies.

People choosing to go out in a blaze of "glory" accomplish absolutely nothing. Their actions suck and we all wish they would limit the damage to no more than themselves. Unfortunately, the rest of the reactions are virtue signals that offer little more than making the signaler feel better.

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In case you missed this ...

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I didn't miss it. No more than you missed the fact that these killings we are discussing aren't happening with baseball bats (laughable). They are happening with guns that maybe should have a little more control?

Hokie says waiting time for 18-21. Why only 18-21? Why not for all purchases? What is it impacting if the government (or whatever agency) does some thorough review on each AR purchase?
Does the crazies stop at 21?

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Baseball bats is supposed to be a meaningful retort???

Again, the same lethality of weapon has already been banned in most major Democratically controlled cities. No effect!

If you think a waiting period for folks of any age is going to stop school shootings, I don't know what to tell you. As hokie and others have stated, the problems are not with the weapons but with the people.

In order to make substantive change, we have to stop with the virtue signaling and begin to address the core issues.

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Agreed on baseball bats...it was one of the "whatabouts" though from one of the big guns for everyone supporters. Oh, but a crazy person will just use a baseball bat, lol.

Disagree on your waiting list -- Steve had told us all the things this kid had jsut done. A thorough internet and personal investigation shoudl have turned those things up, no? If the media can turn them up in 2 days, surely a paid agency can? And so it would / should have stopped him from having two weapons with which he killed a ton of kids, yes? So how is that virtue signaling?

The kid in Buffalo also bought his AR days after he turned 18. Everyone keeps saying "oh, but there were signs".
So why not investigate him and find that out before selling it to him? Frankly, it seems stupid not to investigate him. If he were trying to join the army, they'd make sure he was fit to make decisions...but we just gonna give him a AR?

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but we need them to hunt squirrels at 18 yo.

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Despite what LIES that far Left communist yahoos are spouting these days, the purpose of the Second Amendment was never to hunt squirrels or deer.

The purpose is right there in the plain language of the text...because a "militia is necessary for the security of the state" (paraphrasing). A militia. An army. To defend the nation...against other armies or governments. Meaning people need to be armed with military-grade weaponry.

Can communists read? Do Leftist communist dupes just expect us to believe their ridiculous lies?

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A well regulated militia. I think that means we should do more regulating of it, don't you?

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that's not what you think it means. It's also the argument that was rejected in the Heller decision

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Question Hokie.....do you think the most likely compromise (raising age of AR purchases) should be pursued?

(of course, the focus right now is 18 yo becausee the last two were 18, but the majority who conducted these active shooter situations in 2021 were 30+ years old).

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No, I do not think that is the most likely compromise. I think the most likely compromise is a waiting period for ages 18-21. I think that's the best possible outcome.

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waiting periods....why not for all ages then? Its not impacting your right even as a 50 year old, why not a waiting period for all?
again, for all the focus on 18 yos, older people sure do like to shoot up people and buildings.

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I guess you should call your Senator and ask them that question. I just think that's going to end up being the compromise and one thing that has a chance of passing

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Gotcha -- that is what you think will happen. What should happen?

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This is fun! How about we have a little more discourse and stop calling each other racists?

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Fair enough. I'm done there.

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but we need them to hunt squirrels at 18 yo.

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Despite what LIES that far Left communist yahoos are spouting these days, the purpose of the Second Amendment was never to hunt squirrels or deer.

The purpose is right there in the plain language of the text...because a "militia is necessary for the security of the state" (paraphrasing). A militia. An army. To defend the nation...against other armies or governments. Meaning people need to be armed with military-grade weaponry.

Can communists read? Do Leftist communist dupes just expect us to believe their ridiculous lies?

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A well regulated militia. I think that means we should do more regulating of it, don't you?

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that's not what you think it means. It's also the argument that was rejected in the Heller decision

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Question Hokie.....do you think the most likely compromise (raising age of AR purchases) should be pursued?

(of course, the focus right now is 18 yo becausee the last two were 18, but the majority who conducted these active shooter situations in 2021 were 30+ years old).

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No, I do not think that is the most likely compromise. I think the most likely compromise is a waiting period for ages 18-21. I think that's the best possible outcome.

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waiting periods....why not for all ages then? Its not impacting your right even as a 50 year old, why not a waiting period for all?
again, for all the focus on 18 yos, older people sure do like to shoot up people and buildings.

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I guess you should call your Senator and ask them that question. I just think that's going to end up being the compromise and one thing that has a chance of passing

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Gotcha -- that is what you think will happen. What should happen?

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what should happen is that Congress should try and pass these laws individually rather than these big catch all monstrosity bills like what is currently in the house.

Also, Biden and some other congressmen and Senators should stop acting like horses asses and stop making demands of Republicans they know won't pass.

If you want something meaningful to come out of this tragedy, the politics as usual stuff needs to be thrown out the window.

I doubt highly Democrats have the discipline to do their jobs instead of scoring cheap political points.

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but we need them to hunt squirrels at 18 yo.

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Despite what LIES that far Left communist yahoos are spouting these days, the purpose of the Second Amendment was never to hunt squirrels or deer.

The purpose is right there in the plain language of the text...because a "militia is necessary for the security of the state" (paraphrasing). A militia. An army. To defend the nation...against other armies or governments. Meaning people need to be armed with military-grade weaponry.

Can communists read? Do Leftist communist dupes just expect us to believe their ridiculous lies?

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A well regulated militia. I think that means we should do more regulating of it, don't you?

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that's not what you think it means. It's also the argument that was rejected in the Heller decision

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Question Hokie.....do you think the most likely compromise (raising age of AR purchases) should be pursued?

(of course, the focus right now is 18 yo becausee the last two were 18, but the majority who conducted these active shooter situations in 2021 were 30+ years old).

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No, I do not think that is the most likely compromise. I think the most likely compromise is a waiting period for ages 18-21. I think that's the best possible outcome.

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waiting periods....why not for all ages then? Its not impacting your right even as a 50 year old, why not a waiting period for all?
again, for all the focus on 18 yos, older people sure do like to shoot up people and buildings.

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I guess you should call your Senator and ask them that question. I just think that's going to end up being the compromise and one thing that has a chance of passing

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Gotcha -- that is what you think will happen. What should happen?

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what should happen is that Congress should try and pass these laws individually rather than these big catch all monstrosity bills like what is currently in the house.

Also, Biden and some other congressmen and Senators should stop acting like horses asses and stop making demands or Republicans they know won't pass.

If you want something meaningful to come out of this tragedy, the politics as usual stuff needs to be thrown out the window.

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Yeah the big 1500 page bills that include 80% junk with the 20% good is a huge issue in legislation today.

But I also feel like the GOP can't just lock down and say "we're not budging". Thats just as unproductive.

You have to give them a reason to come off that stance. Democrats grandstanding in public while singing a different tune behind closed doors is also not productive

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Dr. Roy Guerrero, a pediatrician in Uvalde, Texas, described to Congress the horrors he saw in an emergency room after the massacre, including children "pulverized" and "decapitated" by bullets.

"Those mothers' cries, I will never get out of my head." https://t.co/nesUOoDBE2

— The New York Times (@nytimes) June 8, 2022

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Trolling attention ***** post right here. And this poster talks about having reasonable debate. Lol.

The guy was in there an hour. He could have had a baseball bat and inflicted the same damage. But we want to virtue signal on a message board to show we "care".

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This is the post packchem is misrepresenting. I can't imagine how much he lies in the real world with as much as he lies on here when you can literally go back to the post. Big guns for everyone lol. What a tool bag.

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Dr. Roy Guerrero, a pediatrician in Uvalde, Texas, described to Congress the horrors he saw in an emergency room after the massacre, including children "pulverized" and "decapitated" by bullets.

"Those mothers' cries, I will never get out of my head." https://t.co/nesUOoDBE2

— The New York Times (@nytimes) June 8, 2022

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but we need them to hunt squirrels at 18 yo.

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Trolling attention ***** post right here. And this poster talks about having reasonable debate. Lol.

The guy was in there an hour. He could have had a baseball bat and inflicted the same damage. But we want to virtue signal on a message board to show we "care".

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This is the post packchem is misrepresenting. I can't imagine how much he lies in the real world with as much as he lies on here when you can literally go back to the post. Big guns for everyone lol. What a tool bag.

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Yeah it was still a really stupid post that didn't happen in real life. Because, you know, he had the guns.

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Dr. Roy Guerrero, a pediatrician in Uvalde, Texas, described to Congress the horrors he saw in an emergency room after the massacre, including children "pulverized" and "decapitated" by bullets.

"Those mothers' cries, I will never get out of my head." https://t.co/nesUOoDBE2

— The New York Times (@nytimes) June 8, 2022

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but we need them to hunt squirrels at 18 yo.

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Trolling attention ***** post right here. And this poster talks about having reasonable debate. Lol.

The guy was in there an hour. He could have had a baseball bat and inflicted the same damage. But we want to virtue signal on a message board to show we "care".

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This is the post packchem is misrepresenting. I can't imagine how much he lies in the real world with as much as he lies on here when you can literally go back to the post. Big guns for everyone lol. What a tool bag.

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I remember my first beer.... LOL...

Sad thing is that you really hope for him that he is doing a troll job similar to the one done on PP by "manilish?" Can't remember the exact name but damn... took us all hook, line and sinker. I still think it was Adam Gold and Joe Ovaries.

Anyway.... he has yet to say what blame he and his party own for the situation the inner cities are in and have been in. None of the lefties will because it would mean they have admitted they don't care and haven't cared.

They will care in November. If the numbers of approval by African Americans are below 85% the lefties get decimated in November.

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Dr. Roy Guerrero, a pediatrician in Uvalde, Texas, described to Congress the horrors he saw in an emergency room after the massacre, including children "pulverized" and "decapitated" by bullets.

"Those mothers' cries, I will never get out of my head." https://t.co/nesUOoDBE2

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but we need them to hunt squirrels at 18 yo.

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Trolling attention ***** post right here. And this poster talks about having reasonable debate. Lol.

The guy was in there an hour. He could have had a baseball bat and inflicted the same damage. But we want to virtue signal on a message board to show we "care".

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This is the post packchem is misrepresenting. I can't imagine how much he lies in the real world with as much as he lies on here when you can literally go back to the post. Big guns for everyone lol. What a tool bag.

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Yeah it was still a really stupid post that didn't happen in real life. Because, you know, he had the guns.

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Your hero, hokie, basically said the same things a few pages ahead of mine. Want me to quote that one too? I know your response is only based on the poster, not the post.

Again, with the "stupid" comments. Sounds like somebody has an inferiority complex.

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Glass, did you only read the last page or two?

I think the response to the horrific school shooting in Florida was pretty dang good. Chem posted a link to the CNN article this morning. Here is the key result of Republican legislation in Florida back in 2018.

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In Florida, a red flag policy, also known as risk protection orders, was one piece of a sprawling gun reform package that then-Gov. Rick Scott signed into law just three weeks after a teenage gunman killed 17 people inside Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. It included $400 million in new spending for priorities like school security and mental health resources, and allowed trained school staff to carry firearms for the first time. Republican lawmakers also agreed to raise the age to own a gun to 21 and implemented a three-day waiting period to purchase most rifles.

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Banning mythical assault rifles is ornamental at best and essentially worthless at worst.

I would add requirements to see counselors for anyone who is subject to red flag laws as a minimum. I like the approach of incentivizing states to pass red flag laws as opposed to having the Feds do it. They have no place in the debate and suck when they attempt to follow through.

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The Florida law changes were very well legislated and put together. I would love to see something similar in NC.

For Glass - you keep asking about solutions, I don't think there is a magic solution that will stop these incidents. After more and more information came out this past week, it's clear we had a catastrophic failure of duty by the police. Every one of those officers should be fired at a minimum. This guy could have been armed with a steak knife and given an hour alone in a classroom full of 9 year olds, the same outcome would have happened. The fact that the police did not do anything in the face of a lot of evidence that it was wrong to do so, that actually should strengthen your opinion that there should be an allowance of trained staff to be allowed to carry fire arms in schools.

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One person calls attention to inner city violence and his bad the statistics are, and one person says who gives a **** about them because it's been going on for years and isn't going to change. Which one is racist?

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Lol. You can call me whatever you want.
Show me where you've started threads about the inner city crime and how to cure it (well, other than your comment about all the poor people just moving -did you appeal to your city councils to redone your community yet to accommodate that)?
Show me where folks like up to drop off flowers and stuffed animals and such at the site of these inner city killings?

Do you really think they get treated the same? By anyone?
It's really a simple question.

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Nope, I did about as much as you've done to make a change.

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EXACTLY my point, thank you. No one does anything....why? Because no one really cares. You can deny it, you can dress it up, but I can't come up with any other reasoning, can you?

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Sometimes it's just a matter of how much someone cares. But, I would never consider a group of people a lost cause just because I didn't or couldn't do anything about it.

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Don't confuse lost cause with "nothing has changed because no one has cared enough".
Things could change --- but its going to take a concerted effort.

And still....has zero to do with the incidents in Buffalo or Uvalde or the 60 active shooter incidents the FBI quantified last year.
Want to define solutions...great, but they should be treated differently, because they are 2 completely different use cases.

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You keep yelling about the weapon. That's the issue you're failing to understand. Ban all the weapons you want. It's not going to change the evil intent of bad people. The examples that BBW posted were about cities that have proven to all of us that bans don't work. XL tried to say the same thing as well as many others. But you keep on yelling to ban ban ban.

If someone killed one of your loved ones, would you want 10 minutes alone with the person that pulled the trigger, or 10 minutes with the weapon?

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But now, all the sudden, when everyone starts talking about all these active shooter incidents and proliferation with very little controls of ARs, guys are coming out of the woodwork to talk about inner city shootings.

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ARs are controlled exactly the same as every other semi-automatic weapon. The same lethality exists with semi-automatic weapons in handgun form as in rifle form. The reason inner city killings are mentioned is those locations usually already have the gun bans you prefer with no positive effect. Likewise, those locations are governed by Democrats who try to politicize gun control for hoped for gains in the election booth. Time and time again we see these methods don't help Democrats, but they continue to try the same failed policies.

People choosing to go out in a blaze of "glory" accomplish absolutely nothing. Their actions suck and we all wish they would limit the damage to no more than themselves. Unfortunately, the rest of the reactions are virtue signals that offer little more than making the signaler feel better.

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I didn't miss it. No more than you missed the fact that these killings we are discussing aren't happening with baseball bats (laughable). They are happening with guns that maybe should have a little more control?

Hokie says waiting time for 18-21. Why only 18-21? Why not for all purchases? What is it impacting if the government (or whatever agency) does some thorough review on each AR purchase?
Does the crazies stop at 21?

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Baseball bats is supposed to be a meaningful retort???

Again, the same lethality of weapon has already been banned in most major Democratically controlled cities. No effect!

If you think a waiting period for folks of any age is going to stop school shootings, I don't know what to tell you. As hokie and others have stated, the problems are not with the weapons but with the people.

In order to make substantive change, we have to stop with the virtue signaling and begin to address the core issues.

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Agreed on baseball bats...it was one of the "whatabouts" though from one of the big guns for everyone supporters. Oh, but a crazy person will just use a baseball bat, lol.

Disagree on your waiting list -- Steve had told us all the things this kid had just done. A thorough internet and personal investigation should have turned those things up, no? If the media can turn them up in 2 days, surely a paid agency can? And so it would / should have stopped him from having two weapons with which he killed a ton of kids, yes? So how is that virtue signaling?

The kid in Buffalo also bought his AR days after he turned 18. Everyone keeps saying "oh, but there were signs".
So why not investigate him and find that out before selling it to him? Frankly, it seems stupid not to investigate him. If he were trying to join the army, they'd make sure he was fit to make decisions...but we just gonna give him a AR?

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We have a paid agency approving gun sales at most retail outlets. They just don't do anything when they find someone who lied on their paperwork. It happens everyday and the Feds ignore it. We have these laws to prevent known criminals and people who have already demonstrated a propensity to harm someone with whom they were or are in a relationship with and the Feds do NOTHING!

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In 2017, the year the GAO audited, there were 112,000 attempts by prohibited persons to buy a firearm that were stopped by the background-check system that's 112,000 federal gun crimes in which the perpetrator signed his name on the form and thereby provided all the evidence needed to convict him. Shockingly, the federal government simply ignored about 100,000 of those cases, investigating only 12,700. To be clear, this isn't a mere paperwork crime we are talking about: According to the GAO, 36 percent of those 112,000 denied firearms were convicted felons, 30 percent were subjects of protective orders, and 16 percent had been convicted of disqualifying domestic-violence misdemeanors. These are the very people who should be our top priorities when it comes to fighting gun crime; in fact, the Department of Justice reports that about 30 percent of those who fail a background check are arrested on another criminal charge within five years.

Here's the really bad part: Out of those 12,700 cases that were taken up for investigation, there were only twelve prosecutions.

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One person calls attention to inner city violence and his bad the statistics are, and one person says who gives a **** about them because it's been going on for years and isn't going to change. Which one is racist?

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Lol. You can call me whatever you want.
Show me where you've started threads about the inner city crime and how to cure it (well, other than your comment about all the poor people just moving -did you appeal to your city councils to redone your community yet to accommodate that)?
Show me where folks like up to drop off flowers and stuffed animals and such at the site of these inner city killings?

Do you really think they get treated the same? By anyone?
It's really a simple question.

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Nope, I did about as much as you've done to make a change.

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EXACTLY my point, thank you. No one does anything....why? Because no one really cares. You can deny it, you can dress it up, but I can't come up with any other reasoning, can you?

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Sometimes it's just a matter of how much someone cares. But, I would never consider a group of people a lost cause just because I didn't or couldn't do anything about it.

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Don't confuse lost cause with "nothing has changed because no one has cared enough".
Things could change --- but its going to take a concerted effort.

And still....has zero to do with the incidents in Buffalo or Uvalde or the 60 active shooter incidents the FBI quantified last year.
Want to define solutions...great, but they should be treated differently, because they are 2 completely different use cases.

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You keep yelling about the weapon. That's the issue you're failing to understand. Ban all the weapons you want. It's not going to change the evil intent of bad people. The examples that BBW posted were about cities that have proven to all of us that bans don't work. XL tried to say the same thing as well as many others. But you keep on yelling to ban ban ban.

If someone killed one of your loved ones, would you want 10 minutes alone with the person that pulled the trigger, or 10 minutes with the weapon?

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Again... either a parody poster or the most clueless poster I have ever encountered.

Notice how I was accused of only posting memes... I posted, as I normally do, factual data, credible sites, posted the lineup of the people in power and provided the remaining list of their Representatives that have been in office 20+ years and simply asked "what have they done?"

Crickets. And you know the lurkers are reading this. What is their response?

In their defense they can join the list I posted. They only care in election years. EVERY SINGLE ELECTION CYCLE when they are under water at the polls they have to drum up an "issue" to appeal to the sub-urban soccer mom contingent. What better than a tragedy.

Remember... Ice Cream Queen said "never let a crisis go to waste...."

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But now, all the sudden, when everyone starts talking about all these active shooter incidents and proliferation with very little controls of ARs, guys are coming out of the woodwork to talk about inner city shootings.

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ARs are controlled exactly the same as every other semi-automatic weapon. The same lethality exists with semi-automatic weapons in handgun form as in rifle form. The reason inner city killings are mentioned is those locations usually already have the gun bans you prefer with no positive effect. Likewise, those locations are governed by Democrats who try to politicize gun control for hoped for gains in the election booth. Time and time again we see these methods don't help Democrats, but they continue to try the same failed policies.

People choosing to go out in a blaze of "glory" accomplish absolutely nothing. Their actions suck and we all wish they would limit the damage to no more than themselves. Unfortunately, the rest of the reactions are virtue signals that offer little more than making the signaler feel better.

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I didn't miss it. No more than you missed the fact that these killings we are discussing aren't happening with baseball bats (laughable). They are happening with guns that maybe should have a little more control?

Hokie says waiting time for 18-21. Why only 18-21? Why not for all purchases? What is it impacting if the government (or whatever agency) does some thorough review on each AR purchase?
Does the crazies stop at 21?

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Baseball bats is supposed to be a meaningful retort???

Again, the same lethality of weapon has already been banned in most major Democratically controlled cities. No effect!

If you think a waiting period for folks of any age is going to stop school shootings, I don't know what to tell you. As hokie and others have stated, the problems are not with the weapons but with the people.

In order to make substantive change, we have to stop with the virtue signaling and begin to address the core issues.

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Agreed on baseball bats...it was one of the "whatabouts" though from one of the big guns for everyone supporters. Oh, but a crazy person will just use a baseball bat, lol.

Disagree on your waiting list -- Steve had told us all the things this kid had just done. A thorough internet and personal investigation should have turned those things up, no? If the media can turn them up in 2 days, surely a paid agency can? And so it would / should have stopped him from having two weapons with which he killed a ton of kids, yes? So how is that virtue signaling?

The kid in Buffalo also bought his AR days after he turned 18. Everyone keeps saying "oh, but there were signs".
So why not investigate him and find that out before selling it to him? Frankly, it seems stupid not to investigate him. If he were trying to join the army, they'd make sure he was fit to make decisions...but we just gonna give him a AR?

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We have a paid agency approving gun sales at most retail outlets. They just don't do anything when they find someone who lied on their paperwork. It happens everyday and the Feds ignore it. We have these laws to prevent known criminals and people who have already demonstrated a propensity to harm someone with whom they were or are in a relationship with and the Feds do NOTHING!

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In 2017, the year the GAO audited, there were 112,000 attempts by prohibited persons to buy a firearm that were stopped by the background-check system that's 112,000 federal gun crimes in which the perpetrator signed his name on the form and thereby provided all the evidence needed to convict him. Shockingly, the federal government simply ignored about 100,000 of those cases, investigating only 12,700. To be clear, this isn't a mere paperwork crime we are talking about: According to the GAO, 36 percent of those 112,000 denied firearms were convicted felons, 30 percent were subjects of protective orders, and 16 percent had been convicted of disqualifying domestic-violence misdemeanors. These are the very people who should be our top priorities when it comes to fighting gun crime; in fact, the Department of Justice reports that about 30 percent of those who fail a background check are arrested on another criminal charge within five years.

Here's the really bad part: Out of those 12,700 cases that were taken up for investigation, there were only twelve prosecutions.

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Staggering numbers. Only 12 prosecutions.

Enforcing the laws on the books should be priority number 1, not adding more ineffective, unenforced laws.

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One person calls attention to inner city violence and his bad the statistics are, and one person says who gives a **** about them because it's been going on for years and isn't going to change. Which one is racist?

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Lol. You can call me whatever you want.
Show me where you've started threads about the inner city crime and how to cure it (well, other than your comment about all the poor people just moving -did you appeal to your city councils to redone your community yet to accommodate that)?
Show me where folks like up to drop off flowers and stuffed animals and such at the site of these inner city killings?

Do you really think they get treated the same? By anyone?
It's really a simple question.

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Nope, I did about as much as you've done to make a change.

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EXACTLY my point, thank you. No one does anything....why? Because no one really cares. You can deny it, you can dress it up, but I can't come up with any other reasoning, can you?

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Sometimes it's just a matter of how much someone cares. But, I would never consider a group of people a lost cause just because I didn't or couldn't do anything about it.

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Don't confuse lost cause with "nothing has changed because no one has cared enough".
Things could change --- but its going to take a concerted effort.

And still....has zero to do with the incidents in Buffalo or Uvalde or the 60 active shooter incidents the FBI quantified last year.
Want to define solutions...great, but they should be treated differently, because they are 2 completely different use cases.

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You keep yelling about the weapon. That's the issue you're failing to understand. Ban all the weapons you want. It's not going to change the evil intent of bad people. The examples that BBW posted were about cities that have proven to all of us that bans don't work. XL tried to say the same thing as well as many others. But you keep on yelling to ban ban ban.

If someone killed one of your loved ones, would you want 10 minutes alone with the person that pulled the trigger, or 10 minutes with the weapon?

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So if either of the 2 most recent examples had simply not been allowed to buy (legally) the weapons they killed with, would those 30+ people be dead today? Could they have gotten them in other ways...perhaps. But we make it easy for them to do so. Why?

For your strawman, I'd want to know why they were able to get the weapon when they had clearly posted materials that should make us question their mental stability. I'd be angry with those who allowed that.

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One person calls attention to inner city violence and his bad the statistics are, and one person says who gives a **** about them because it's been going on for years and isn't going to change. Which one is racist?

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Lol. You can call me whatever you want.
Show me where you've started threads about the inner city crime and how to cure it (well, other than your comment about all the poor people just moving -did you appeal to your city councils to redone your community yet to accommodate that)?
Show me where folks like up to drop off flowers and stuffed animals and such at the site of these inner city killings?

Do you really think they get treated the same? By anyone?
It's really a simple question.

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Nope, I did about as much as you've done to make a change.

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EXACTLY my point, thank you. No one does anything....why? Because no one really cares. You can deny it, you can dress it up, but I can't come up with any other reasoning, can you?

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Sometimes it's just a matter of how much someone cares. But, I would never consider a group of people a lost cause just because I didn't or couldn't do anything about it.

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Don't confuse lost cause with "nothing has changed because no one has cared enough".
Things could change --- but its going to take a concerted effort.

And still....has zero to do with the incidents in Buffalo or Uvalde or the 60 active shooter incidents the FBI quantified last year.
Want to define solutions...great, but they should be treated differently, because they are 2 completely different use cases.

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You keep yelling about the weapon. That's the issue you're failing to understand. Ban all the weapons you want. It's not going to change the evil intent of bad people. The examples that BBW posted were about cities that have proven to all of us that bans don't work. XL tried to say the same thing as well as many others. But you keep on yelling to ban ban ban.

If someone killed one of your loved ones, would you want 10 minutes alone with the person that pulled the trigger, or 10 minutes with the weapon?

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So if either of the 2 most recent examples had simply not been allowed to buy (legally) the weapons they killed with, would those 30+ people be dead today? Could they have gotten them in other ways...perhaps. But we make it easy for them to do so. Why?

For your strawman, I'd want to know why they were able to get the weapon when they had clearly posted materials that should make us question their mental stability. I'd be angry with those who allowed that.

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for Buffalo I don't know. For Uvalde most certainly not because the main cause of loss of life was police inaction, not the weapon.

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But now, all the sudden, when everyone starts talking about all these active shooter incidents and proliferation with very little controls of ARs, guys are coming out of the woodwork to talk about inner city shootings.

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ARs are controlled exactly the same as every other semi-automatic weapon. The same lethality exists with semi-automatic weapons in handgun form as in rifle form. The reason inner city killings are mentioned is those locations usually already have the gun bans you prefer with no positive effect. Likewise, those locations are governed by Democrats who try to politicize gun control for hoped for gains in the election booth. Time and time again we see these methods don't help Democrats, but they continue to try the same failed policies.

People choosing to go out in a blaze of "glory" accomplish absolutely nothing. Their actions suck and we all wish they would limit the damage to no more than themselves. Unfortunately, the rest of the reactions are virtue signals that offer little more than making the signaler feel better.

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In case you missed this ...

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I didn't miss it. No more than you missed the fact that these killings we are discussing aren't happening with baseball bats (laughable). They are happening with guns that maybe should have a little more control?

Hokie says waiting time for 18-21. Why only 18-21? Why not for all purchases? What is it impacting if the government (or whatever agency) does some thorough review on each AR purchase?
Does the crazies stop at 21?

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Baseball bats is supposed to be a meaningful retort???

Again, the same lethality of weapon has already been banned in most major Democratically controlled cities. No effect!

If you think a waiting period for folks of any age is going to stop school shootings, I don't know what to tell you. As hokie and others have stated, the problems are not with the weapons but with the people.

In order to make substantive change, we have to stop with the virtue signaling and begin to address the core issues.

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Agreed on baseball bats...it was one of the "whatabouts" though from one of the big guns for everyone supporters. Oh, but a crazy person will just use a baseball bat, lol.

Disagree on your waiting list -- Steve had told us all the things this kid had just done. A thorough internet and personal investigation should have turned those things up, no? If the media can turn them up in 2 days, surely a paid agency can? And so it would / should have stopped him from having two weapons with which he killed a ton of kids, yes? So how is that virtue signaling?

The kid in Buffalo also bought his AR days after he turned 18. Everyone keeps saying "oh, but there were signs".
So why not investigate him and find that out before selling it to him? Frankly, it seems stupid not to investigate him. If he were trying to join the army, they'd make sure he was fit to make decisions...but we just gonna give him a AR?

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We have a paid agency approving gun sales at most retail outlets. They just don't do anything when they find someone who lied on their paperwork. It happens everyday and the Feds ignore it. We have these laws to prevent known criminals and people who have already demonstrated a propensity to harm someone with whom they were or are in a relationship with and the Feds do NOTHING!

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In 2017, the year the GAO audited, there were 112,000 attempts by prohibited persons to buy a firearm that were stopped by the background-check system that's 112,000 federal gun crimes in which the perpetrator signed his name on the form and thereby provided all the evidence needed to convict him. Shockingly, the federal government simply ignored about 100,000 of those cases, investigating only 12,700. To be clear, this isn't a mere paperwork crime we are talking about: According to the GAO, 36 percent of those 112,000 denied firearms were convicted felons, 30 percent were subjects of protective orders, and 16 percent had been convicted of disqualifying domestic-violence misdemeanors. These are the very people who should be our top priorities when it comes to fighting gun crime; in fact, the Department of Justice reports that about 30 percent of those who fail a background check are arrested on another criminal charge within five years.

Here's the really bad part: Out of those 12,700 cases that were taken up for investigation, there were only twelve prosecutions.

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What that tells me is tht there is that there really is no desire to change or do anything. Cynical side says -- wonder how much the NRA floated to ensure those checks didn't limit sales.

You do realize that the NRA isn't this omnipresent money machine for the gun lobby, right? They like the 190th largest lobbying firm in terms of donations.

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You do realize that the NRA isn't this omnipresent money machine for the gun lobby, right? They like the 190th largest lobbying firm in terms of donations.

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I won't pretend to track lobbying operations in the US, but the NRA wields plenty of power.

US gun control: What is the NRA and why is it so powerful? - BBC News

I wasn't feeling well last night and went to bed early…. Wow!! You all were on a roll!!

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One person calls attention to inner city violence and his bad the statistics are, and one person says who gives a **** about them because it's been going on for years and isn't going to change. Which one is racist?

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Lol. You can call me whatever you want.
Show me where you've started threads about the inner city crime and how to cure it (well, other than your comment about all the poor people just moving -did you appeal to your city councils to redone your community yet to accommodate that)?
Show me where folks like up to drop off flowers and stuffed animals and such at the site of these inner city killings?

Do you really think they get treated the same? By anyone?
It's really a simple question.

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Nope, I did about as much as you've done to make a change.

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EXACTLY my point, thank you. No one does anything....why? Because no one really cares. You can deny it, you can dress it up, but I can't come up with any other reasoning, can you?

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Sometimes it's just a matter of how much someone cares. But, I would never consider a group of people a lost cause just because I didn't or couldn't do anything about it.

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Don't confuse lost cause with "nothing has changed because no one has cared enough".
Things could change --- but its going to take a concerted effort.

And still....has zero to do with the incidents in Buffalo or Uvalde or the 60 active shooter incidents the FBI quantified last year.
Want to define solutions...great, but they should be treated differently, because they are 2 completely different use cases.

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You keep yelling about the weapon. That's the issue you're failing to understand. Ban all the weapons you want. It's not going to change the evil intent of bad people. The examples that BBW posted were about cities that have proven to all of us that bans don't work. XL tried to say the same thing as well as many others. But you keep on yelling to ban ban ban.

If someone killed one of your loved ones, would you want 10 minutes alone with the person that pulled the trigger, or 10 minutes with the weapon?

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So if either of the 2 most recent examples had simply not been allowed to buy (legally) the weapons they killed with, would those 30+ people be dead today? Could they have gotten them in other ways...perhaps. But we make it easy for them to do so. Why?

For your strawman, I'd want to know why they were able to get the weapon when they had clearly posted materials that should make us question their mental stability. I'd be angry with those who allowed that.

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for Buffalo I don't know. For Uvalde most certainly not because the main cause of loss of life was police inaction, not the weapon.

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I mean, ok, if he only killed 5 kids, we're ok with that....I know you don't mean that of course. But the point is, he still would have killed a number of kids. And he still -- I think we all agree -- should not have had a gun, if the things that have been reported were true?

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LOL BBW back to his broken record bolded "MARXIST" epithet.
He just can't help himself. Poor widdle BBW....can't come up with anything new?
It is like MAGA Tourettes. He just has to include a bold faced MARXIST in every post.
So predictable he is....over and over again.