"No one is coming for your guns"...

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/06/01/politics/pelosi-assault-weapons-ban-legislation/index.html

Assault weapons are just one type of gun. I have a .22 caliber pistol that belong to my father. If you break into my house a that .22 hits you between your eyes you are just as dead as if I shot you with 10-15 rounds from a AR

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Assault weapons are just one type of gun. I have a .22 caliber pistol that belong to my father. If you break into my house a that .22 hits you between your eyes you are just as dead as if I shot you with 10-15 rounds from a AR

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Do you have a permit for that pistol?

packgrad said:

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Glasswolf said:

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Assault weapons are just one type of gun. I have a .22 caliber pistol that belong to my father. If you break into my house a that .22 hits you between your eyes you are just as dead as if I shot you with 10-15 rounds from a AR

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Do you have a permit for that pistol?

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Yes I do and a concealed carry to go with it. But it never leaves my night stand. I've shot it 3 times since 1995 when my father died and that was at a copper head snake lol

Glasswolf said:

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Assault weapons are just one type of gun. I have a .22 caliber pistol that belong to my father. If you break into my house a that .22 hits you between your eyes you are just as dead as if I shot you with 10-15 rounds from a AR

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Define assault weapons.

What does an assault weapon look like?

What does "AR" mean in context with the AR-15?

Please... share your knowledge.

BBW12OG said:

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Glasswolf said:

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Assault weapons are just one type of gun. I have a .22 caliber pistol that belong to my father. If you break into my house a that .22 hits you between your eyes you are just as dead as if I shot you with 10-15 rounds from a AR

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Define assault weapons.

What does an assault weapon look like?

What does "AR" mean in context with the AR-15?

Please... share your knowledge.

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AR-15 stands for Armalite Rifle. It's a semi automatic rifle. It's very similar to the M16 and M4. I know what it is. My son has built 4 of them from scratch. Once built he kept them in his truck. He wasn't allowed to have them in my house. You know why? Because as a homeowner I didn't allow them. You live under my roof you abide by my rules. I also kept track of what was going on in his life. If he had shown any signs of mental illness I would have stepped up and intervened

Glasswolf said:

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BBW12OG said:

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Glasswolf said:

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Assault weapons are just one type of gun. I have a .22 caliber pistol that belong to my father. If you break into my house a that .22 hits you between your eyes you are just as dead as if I shot you with 10-15 rounds from a AR

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Define assault weapons.

What does an assault weapon look like?

What does "AR" mean in context with the AR-15?

Please... share your knowledge.

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AR-15 stands for Armalite Rifle. It's a semi automatic rifle. It's very similar to the M16 and M4. I know what it is. My son has built 4 of them from scratch. Once built he kept them in his truck. He wasn't allowed to have them in my house. You know why? Because as a homeowner I didn't allow them. You live under my roof you abide by my rules. I also kept track of what was going on in his life. If he had shown any signs of mental illness I would have stepped up and intervened

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Yeah... those unloaded guns in my house are damn scary to look at aren't they?

Define "assault weapon?" You avoided that one. And if you had to keep track of what was going on in his life then he in no way shape or form should have been allowed to have guns. See how easy that is? Boom... he doesn't get to have guns.

BBW12OG said:

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Glasswolf said:

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BBW12OG said:

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Glasswolf said:

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Assault weapons are just one type of gun. I have a .22 caliber pistol that belong to my father. If you break into my house a that .22 hits you between your eyes you are just as dead as if I shot you with 10-15 rounds from a AR

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Define assault weapons.

What does an assault weapon look like?

What does "AR" mean in context with the AR-15?

Please... share your knowledge.

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AR-15 stands for Armalite Rifle. It's a semi automatic rifle. It's very similar to the M16 and M4. I know what it is. My son has built 4 of them from scratch. Once built he kept them in his truck. He wasn't allowed to have them in my house. You know why? Because as a homeowner I didn't allow them. You live under my roof you abide by my rules. I also kept track of what was going on in his life. If he had shown any signs of mental illness I would have stepped up and intervened

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Yeah... those unloaded guns in my house are damn scary to look at aren't they?

Define "assault weapon?" You avoided that one. And if you had to keep track of what was going on in his life then he in no way shape or form should have been allowed to have guns. See how easy that is? Boom... he doesn't get to have guns.

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That definition varies among regulating jurisdictions, but usually includes semi automatic firearms with a detachable magazine, a pistol grip, and sometimes other features, such as a forward grip, flash suppressor, or barrel shroud.

And there is no way any gun in your house is unloaded. I pray they are in a gun safe with a trigger lock or is that a infringement on your rights?

Again, my house, my rules. He lives in Texas now working for a canine group sniffing for explosives. He's 35 and can do as he wants

very shallow comment about no gun in my house being unloaded.

So by your definition every semi-automatic is an assault weapon?

There is on of the problems with liberal logic. You want a ban on all of those and the only guns would be left would be what?

Muskets? LOL... again... God help us all if you and your party ever abolishes the filibuster. We will cease to exist as a country.

Again, I don't want your guns. You should be able to protect your family and property. You just don't need 10 or so of these guns to do that. Growing up my father had a pump 12 gauge shotgun, a .22 caliber pistol, a .22 caliber long rifle and a .38 caliber. I have the shotgun and the .22. What more do I need?

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Again, I don't want your guns. You should be able to protect your family and property. You just don't need 10 or so of these guns to do that. Growing up my father had a pump 12 gauge shotgun, a .22 caliber pistol, a .22 caliber long rifle and a .38 caliber. I have the shotgun and the .22. What more do I need?

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Who are you to tell me what I need or don't need? Again... keep proving my point comrade. Nothing says MARXIST/COMMUNIST like the government telling me what I need and I don't need.

You are true to form. When cornered the left will really tell you what their end game is.

And Mr. Gunowner...that .22 that you scoff at would be one of the main weapons banned. Not sure how much you know about it but the bullet travels a long way... I won't get too technical with you on that but it's a damn dangerous assault weapon as well.... LOL

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very shallow comment about no gun in my house being unloaded.

So by your definition every semi-automatic is an assault weapon?

There is on of the problems with liberal logic. You want a ban on all of those and the only guns would be left would be what?

Muskets? LOL... again... God help us all if you and your party ever abolishes the filibuster. We will cease to exist as a country.

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Nope didn't say that. By definition they are. And you don't think the GOP wouldn't abolish the filibuster given the chance? And I don't have a party anymore. I'm officially unaffiliated. More Libertarian than anything.

Now to you. Do we have a mass shooting issue in this country? What are some solutions besides blaming the democrats, marxist, commie's, leftist or comrades. I'm open to any and all suggestions

Glasswolf said:

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Again, I don't want your guns. You should be able to protect your family and property. You just don't need 10 or so of these guns to do that. Growing up my father had a pump 12 gauge shotgun, a .22 caliber pistol, a .22 caliber long rifle and a .38 caliber. I have the shotgun and the .22. What more do I need?

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That's for you to decide. Thanks to conservatives. Now maybe you feel you need someone to tell you how many you should be able to have, and that's fine. I'm sure you can find someone willing to do just that. I, however, don't need you or the government telling me how many I need to have. I can decide that just fine by myself.

packgrad said:

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Glasswolf said:

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Again, I don't want your guns. You should be able to protect your family and property. You just don't need 10 or so of these guns to do that. Growing up my father had a pump 12 gauge shotgun, a .22 caliber pistol, a .22 caliber long rifle and a .38 caliber. I have the shotgun and the .22. What more do I need?

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That's for you to decide. Thanks to conservatives. Now maybe you feel you need someone to tell you how many you should be able to have, and that's fine. I'm sure you can find someone willing to do just that. I, however, don't need you or the government telling me how many I need to have. I can decide that just fine by myself.

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I agree with you. I'm just asking questions here. No one seems to what to offer any solutions other than leave my guns alone.

Glasswolf said:

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BBW12OG said:

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very shallow comment about no gun in my house being unloaded.

So by your definition every semi-automatic is an assault weapon?

There is on of the problems with liberal logic. You want a ban on all of those and the only guns would be left would be what?

Muskets? LOL... again... God help us all if you and your party ever abolishes the filibuster. We will cease to exist as a country.

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Nope didn't say that. By definition they are. And you don't think the GOP wouldn't abolish the filibuster given the chance? And I don't have a party anymore. I'm officially unaffiliated. More Libertarian than anything.

Now to you. Do we have a mass shooting issue in this country? What are some solutions besides blaming the democrats, marxist, commie's, leftist or comrades. I'm open to any and all suggestions

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From 2016-2018 they could have but didn't. They had the votes to do it and never even considered it. Even after President Trump begged them to. So no. Fact check that but again, you were wrong.

We have had mass shootings every night across cities in America run by lefties. You deflect from those again I see. When you have had control over for decades if not longer who else is to blame? Do tell?

I told you what the answer is. Rudy Giullani had NYC cleaned up and policed. What happened? The left took back over.

Funny on this thread or the other one you are chiming in on you specifically said, "I am a Democrat.." but on this one you are all of a sudden a Libertarian???? LOL..... you are on a roll tonight...

BBW12OG said:

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Glasswolf said:

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BBW12OG said:

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very shallow comment about no gun in my house being unloaded.

So by your definition every semi-automatic is an assault weapon?

There is on of the problems with liberal logic. You want a ban on all of those and the only guns would be left would be what?

Muskets? LOL... again... God help us all if you and your party ever abolishes the filibuster. We will cease to exist as a country.

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Nope didn't say that. By definition they are. And you don't think the GOP wouldn't abolish the filibuster given the chance? And I don't have a party anymore. I'm officially unaffiliated. More Libertarian than anything.

Now to you. Do we have a mass shooting issue in this country? What are some solutions besides blaming the democrats, marxist, commie's, leftist or comrades. I'm open to any and all suggestions

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From 2016-2018 they could have but didn't. They had the votes to do it and never even considered it. Even after President Trump begged them to. So no. Fact check that but again, you were wrong.

We have had mass shootings every night across cities in America run by lefties. You deflect from those again I see. When you have had control over for decades if not longer who else is to blame? Do tell?

I told you what the answer is. Rudy Giullani had NYC cleaned up and policed. What happened? The left took back over.

Funny on this thread or the other one you are chiming in on you specifically said, "I am a Democrat.." but on this one you are all of a sudden a Libertarian???? LOL..... you are on a roll tonight...

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I have not singled out one mass shooting in this recent discussion. Does this country have a mass shooting problem? What are some solutions. And for the record I WAS a registered democrat that has publically stated I vote both parties. You missed that part didn't you COMRADE? I have now change my registration to unaffliliated

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packgrad said:

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Glasswolf said:

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Again, I don't want your guns. You should be able to protect your family and property. You just don't need 10 or so of these guns to do that. Growing up my father had a pump 12 gauge shotgun, a .22 caliber pistol, a .22 caliber long rifle and a .38 caliber. I have the shotgun and the .22. What more do I need?

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That's for you to decide. Thanks to conservatives. Now maybe you feel you need someone to tell you how many you should be able to have, and that's fine. I'm sure you can find someone willing to do just that. I, however, don't need you or the government telling me how many I need to have. I can decide that just fine by myself.

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I agree with you. I'm just asking questions here. No one seems to what to offer any solutions other than leave my guns alone.

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Glass, did you only read the last page or two?

I think the response to the horrific school shooting in Florida was pretty dang good. Chem posted a link to the CNN article this morning. Here is the key result of Republican legislation in Florida back in 2018.

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In Florida, a red flag policy, also known as risk protection orders, was one piece of a sprawling gun reform package that then-Gov. Rick Scott signed into law just three weeks after a teenage gunman killed 17 people inside Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. It included $400 million in new spending for priorities like school security and mental health resources, and allowed trained school staff to carry firearms for the first time. Republican lawmakers also agreed to raise the age to own a gun to 21 and implemented a three-day waiting period to purchase most rifles.

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Banning mythical assault rifles is ornamental at best and essentially worthless at worst.

I would add requirements to see counselors for anyone who is subject to red flag laws as a minimum. I like the approach of incentivizing states to pass red flag laws as opposed to having the Feds do it. They have no place in the debate and suck when they attempt to follow through.

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Glasswolf said:

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packgrad said:

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Glasswolf said:

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Again, I don't want your guns. You should be able to protect your family and property. You just don't need 10 or so of these guns to do that. Growing up my father had a pump 12 gauge shotgun, a .22 caliber pistol, a .22 caliber long rifle and a .38 caliber. I have the shotgun and the .22. What more do I need?

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That's for you to decide. Thanks to conservatives. Now maybe you feel you need someone to tell you how many you should be able to have, and that's fine. I'm sure you can find someone willing to do just that. I, however, don't need you or the government telling me how many I need to have. I can decide that just fine by myself.

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I agree with you. I'm just asking questions here. No one seems to what to offer any solutions other than leave my guns alone.

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Glass, did you only read the last page or two?

I think the response to the horrific school shooting in Florida was pretty dang good. Chem posted a link to the CNN article this morning. Here is the key result of Republican legislation in Florida back in 2018.

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In Florida, a red flag policy, also known as risk protection orders, was one piece of a sprawling gun reform package that then-Gov. Rick Scott signed into law just three weeks after a teenage gunman killed 17 people inside Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. It included $400 million in new spending for priorities like school security and mental health resources, and allowed trained school staff to carry firearms for the first time. Republican lawmakers also agreed to raise the age to own a gun to 21 and implemented a three-day waiting period to purchase most rifles.

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Banning mythical assault rifles is ornamental at best and essentially worthless at worst.

I would add requirements to see counselors for anyone who is subject to red flag laws as a minimum. I like the approach of incentivizing states to pass red flag laws as opposed to having the Feds do it. They have no place in the debate and suck when they attempt to follow through.

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I'm not advocating for any ban of any gun. I have my questions and I'm only seeking solutions

Didn't want to ban/tear down those statues either did you????

And for all you Brandon Bashers saying he is going to ban guns. Here's a direct quote from him today.
" Biden has said there is little left for him to do through the executive branch, and that any significant reforms must come from Congress.

And no I'm not going to watch his address tonight. Nothing he says will make any difference unless congress wants to address the issue

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And for all you Brandon Bashers saying he is going to ban guns. Here's a direct quote from him today.
" Biden has said there is little left for him to do through the executive branch, and that any significant reforms must come from Congress.

And no I'm not going to watch his address tonight. Nothing he says will make any difference unless congress wants to address the issue

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Well there you go.... Sleepy Joe has spoken.

We can all stop worrying..... All is well. Damn dude...just damn....

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And for all you Brandon Bashers saying he is going to ban guns. Here's a direct quote from him today.
" Biden has said there is little left for him to do through the executive branch, and that any significant reforms must come from Congress.

And no I'm not going to watch his address tonight. Nothing he says will make any difference unless congress wants to address the issue

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That's great. If he hasn't changed positions by tonight, he will by the morning.

Please fill out at your discretion so we will know how to help.

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Glasswolf said:

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Again, I don't want your guns. You should be able to protect your family and property. You just don't need 10 or so of these guns to do that. Growing up my father had a pump 12 gauge shotgun, a .22 caliber pistol, a .22 caliber long rifle and a .38 caliber. I have the shotgun and the .22. What more do I need?

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That's for you to decide. Thanks to conservatives. Now maybe you feel you need someone to tell you how many you should be able to have, and that's fine. I'm sure you can find someone willing to do just that. I, however, don't need you or the government telling me how many I need to have. I can decide that just fine by myself.

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I agree with you. I'm just asking questions here. No one seems to what to offer any solutions other than leave my guns alone.

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Glass, did you only read the last page or two?

I think the response to the horrific school shooting in Florida was pretty dang good. Chem posted a link to the CNN article this morning. Here is the key result of Republican legislation in Florida back in 2018.

Quote:

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In Florida, a red flag policy, also known as risk protection orders, was one piece of a sprawling gun reform package that then-Gov. Rick Scott signed into law just three weeks after a teenage gunman killed 17 people inside Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. It included $400 million in new spending for priorities like school security and mental health resources, and allowed trained school staff to carry firearms for the first time. Republican lawmakers also agreed to raise the age to own a gun to 21 and implemented a three-day waiting period to purchase most rifles.

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Banning mythical assault rifles is ornamental at best and essentially worthless at worst.

I would add requirements to see counselors for anyone who is subject to red flag laws as a minimum. I like the approach of incentivizing states to pass red flag laws as opposed to having the Feds do it. They have no place in the debate and suck when they attempt to follow through.

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I'm not advocating for any ban of any gun. I have my questions and I'm only seeking solutions

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So, what do you think of the solutions provided by the Florida legislature? What about my requirement for counseling? Do you like that idea?

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Glasswolf said:

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And for all you Brandon Bashers saying he is going to ban guns. Here's a direct quote from him today.
" Biden has said there is little left for him to do through the executive branch, and that any significant reforms must come from Congress.

And no I'm not going to watch his address tonight. Nothing he says will make any difference unless congress wants to address the issue

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That's great. If he hasn't changed positions by tonight, he will by the morning.

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They're not coming for your guns.

JUST IN: President Biden called for a ban on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines; for the age to buy assault-style weapons to be raised from 18 to 21; and repealing immunity for gun manufacturers, labeling them “rational, common-sense measures.” https://t.co/UggZsn3ulJ

— NPR Politics (@nprpolitics) June 2, 2022

Nope... we were told here earlier....

They are NOT coming for our guns, our freedoms or ANY of our Constitutional rights.....

I'm shocked to think that he said that on purpose... he is definitely a puppet of the left...

Obama/Rice contingent are trying to finish what they started.........

And yes...prove me wrong.

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We as a people and a country will always see differently. Some keep saying that the Dems want a one party rule. Isn't that what the GOP wants. Don't they want everything to be as the GOP wants? We as a country have to find common ground. I'm never 100 % and neither is your party.

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With Democrat-like Republicans like Tillis, the issue is confused. But now that this backstabber is actively collaborating with the likes of Schumer to craft gun control legislation, Cawthorne gets a good laugh at the fools that supported his Tillis-backed opponent Chuck Edwards.

To revisit socialized healthcare, my neighbor's father in England had a heart attack. They need to do open heart surgery. They can't give him a date. Maybe next year.

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To revisit socialized healthcare, my neighbor's father in England had a heart attack. They need to do open heart surgery. They can't give him a date. Maybe next year.

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Which is a major reason why there is a significant population of UK expats in the Triangle.

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To revisit socialized healthcare, my neighbor's father in England had a heart attack. They need to do open heart surgery. They can't give him a date. Maybe next year.

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That's not true!!!!! Ask all the supporters of "universal health care." That's nothing but a conspiracy theory propagated by right wing conspiracists.

It is the truth. When everyone who can goes to the doctor for free in order to get pain pills, eye drops, cough medicine, etc..... there are only so many Dr.s, so many nurses, so many facilities.

But... it sounds good being the "party of the people..." Unless it comes to helping out the people that make up 80% of your voting block.

Keep blaming the mean ol' GOP... We will give you freebies every two years and promise you the champagne wishes and caviar dreams.... Just vote "D"......

Here is a prime example of the lefty's dream DA....

Democrat Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg released a memo on day one giving criminals a pass for armed robberies and resisting arrest.https://t.co/SvGVLJEPHN

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) June 3, 2022

What could possibly happen bad with this?????

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Glass, did you only read the last page or two?

I think the response to the horrific school shooting in Florida was pretty dang good. Chem posted a link to the CNN article this morning. Here is the key result of Republican legislation in Florida back in 2018.

Quote:

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In Florida, a red flag policy, also known as risk protection orders, was one piece of a sprawling gun reform package that then-Gov. Rick Scott signed into law just three weeks after a teenage gunman killed 17 people inside Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. It included $400 million in new spending for priorities like school security and mental health resources, and allowed trained school staff to carry firearms for the first time. Republican lawmakers also agreed to raise the age to own a gun to 21 and implemented a three-day waiting period to purchase most rifles.

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Banning mythical assault rifles is ornamental at best and essentially worthless at worst.

I would add requirements to see counselors for anyone who is subject to red flag laws as a minimum. I like the approach of incentivizing states to pass red flag laws as opposed to having the Feds do it. They have no place in the debate and suck when they attempt to follow through.

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The Florida law changes were very well legislated and put together. I would love to see something similar in NC.

For Glass - you keep asking about solutions, I don't think there is a magic solution that will stop these incidents. After more and more information came out this past week, it's clear we had a catastrophic failure of duty by the police. Every one of those officers should be fired at a minimum. This guy could have been armed with a steak knife and given an hour alone in a classroom full of 9 year olds, the same outcome would have happened. The fact that the police did not do anything in the face of a lot of evidence that it was wrong to do so, that actually should strengthen your opinion that there should be an allowance of trained staff to be allowed to carry fire arms in schools.

When you see the type of evil that occurred last week, it's just so incomprehensible. Trying to apply a legislative solution to the type of person who would commit such a heinous act, I'm just certain that they would commit that violence no matter what.

It seems like such an easy problem / solution but this is a very complex problem and there's nothing easy about it. If you are one to be into bans - and I admit, packgrad and I had a discussion about high capacity magazine bans, which in retrospect I think I was wrong; but if you really want some type of change you need to realize two things:

1. Any small, incremental change will take a very long time to implement
2. If you are in favor for banning you need to come to the realization that that is a non-starter

For BBW, I 100% acknowledge you are correct that there is another mass shooting complex problem that needs to be addressed. In NYC for instance, 90% of homicides are done by persons with criminal records, often for violent crimes , sometimes for felonies and very often for weapons offenses.

Here are some suggested solutions:

1. More robust enforcement of current gun laws including simple possession of illegal guns.
2. More enforcement against straw buyer purchasers, which is a big problem that hardly ever gets prosecuted

Where that creates a problem is that historically, that means more arresting, prosecution and conviction of young African American males, which is a problem politically, culturally, emotionally particularly for people who consider themselves left of center.

So as a society from political left to right, we have to make a decision. Are we just going to do 1 and 2 above, or do we need to invest in additional resources and policies in areas that are culturally and social economically different then where you or I grew up in and currently live in now?

This is the difficult part of the solution. 1 and 2 treat the symptom, but they do not treat the problem. We have to have honest and open conversations that those who are habitual offenders is a small subset of these communities. It is offensive and unfair to group all people into the same category when discussing this issue.

Where I disagree with HOW you make your point is that you suggest that this is a debate between people who care and people who don't care about this issue and this is really infuriating and is no different than someone from left of center making the same argument in the opposite direction. I don't believe you don't care about the lives of 9 year old school children because you oppose gun bans. I would ask that you would have the same courtesy with those who you disagree with policy wise.

Here is all you need to see and hear......

It's the end game for them.

Democrat Rep. David Cicilline: “spare me the bullshit about constitutional rights” pic.twitter.com/7mvcbQ6muz

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) June 3, 2022

Glasswolf said:

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Again, I don't want your guns. You should be able to protect your family and property. You just don't need 10 or so of these guns to do that. Growing up my father had a pump 12 gauge shotgun, a .22 caliber pistol, a .22 caliber long rifle and a .38 caliber. I have the shotgun and the .22. What more do I need?

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Glass, you need whatever you want. Some believe that a good shotgun is all you need for home defense. Everyone has there comfort level with what they view as securing their home.

Some people like the sport of guns. I am one of those people; however, I am not a hunter, so, my sport is all about range shooting. Other than that, my guns are put away except for one. I keep it near me for home defense and it's a 9mm.

That said, I do have an AR15. I bought it for one reason only. We will experience another day where they are not available to buy. So, I bought one. It hasn't been shot in close to a year now, I think. It's locked up.