It seems that almost all of these ******s give warning signs but yet again no one acted on them. We've got to start taking these comments etc seriously.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-school-shooting-gunman-threats-yubo-school-shooter-social-media

Oh man that teacher must feel absolutely gutted

Yep. I hope his / her faith is strong. Bearing the weight of feeling partly responsible for an act such as this could potentially lead to bad things for the teacher....certainly hope not though.

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What do you do when a 15 year old writes something like this?

[O]ne day, as I was driving home from work, I noticed two children crossing the street. They were happy, happy to be free from their troubles. I knew, however, that this happiness and sense of freedom were much too overwhelming for them. This happiness was mine by right. I had earned it in my dreams.

As I neared the young ones, I put all my weight on my right foot, keeping the accelerator pedal on the floor until I heard the crashing of the two children on the hood, and then the sharp cry of pain from one of the two. I was so fascinated for a moment, that when after I had stopped my vehicle, I just sat in a daze, sweet visions filling my head.

Do you report this person? Should this person be on a list so they can't buy a gun?

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It should be reported and they should evaluated. If they're deemed mentally unstable, then yes they should be flagged.

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So, this was written by Beto O'Rourke when he was 15.

Now, the reason I posted this is to say that crazy things are written or said by younger people that we have to be careful about. Yes, some will say he's a lunatic, I get it, especially after his shenanigans this past week. That said, I don't think he is a menace to society.

We have to be careful…

Careful, yes. And it should have been reported then and followed up on. Should have been determined if he needed help then. If he'd gotten it, who knows, he might have turned out better than he has.

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What does everyone think of this rifle?

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Squirrel Assault Rifle. Should be outlawed. So scary. Why would you ever need that high capacity 25 round magazine??

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You got it. That's a simple .22 rifle. High capacity and looks evil. This rifle is for fun, plinking or something simple.

Looks like a "so-called assault rifle"

Well, for one thing, there's an endless supply of squirrels in my wooded backyard, hence, a single shot breech loader isn't efficient enough.

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What do you do when a 15 year old writes something like this?

[O]ne day, as I was driving home from work, I noticed two children crossing the street. They were happy, happy to be free from their troubles. I knew, however, that this happiness and sense of freedom were much too overwhelming for them. This happiness was mine by right. I had earned it in my dreams.

As I neared the young ones, I put all my weight on my right foot, keeping the accelerator pedal on the floor until I heard the crashing of the two children on the hood, and then the sharp cry of pain from one of the two. I was so fascinated for a moment, that when after I had stopped my vehicle, I just sat in a daze, sweet visions filling my head.

Do you report this person? Should this person be on a list so they can't buy a gun?

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It should be reported and they should evaluated. If they're deemed mentally unstable, then yes they should be flagged.

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So, this was written by Beto O'Rourke when he was 15.

Now, the reason I posted this is to say that crazy things are written or said by younger people that we have to be careful about. Yes, some will say he's a lunatic, I get it, especially after his shenanigans this past week. That said, I don't think he is a menace to society.

We have to be careful…

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Yes, but almost every one of these horrific scenes has had red flags like this. If they were followed up on properly, how many could've been avoided. Maybe if these people were contacted early enough they would've gotten the pepper help or maybe stopped posting stupid *****

Yep. The coyotes we are dealing with haven't seemed to thin out the squirrel rats at all.

Have managed to kill 2 coyotes so far. Kid down the road takes them to a guy he knows, and brings me back $20 per pelt. I'm not asking any questions.

Yet.

Polk County, Fl Sheriff Grady Judd responds to #Uvalde mass shooting: "We will put a bullet through your head if you're trying to hurt our children. We are going to shoot you graveyard dead if you come onto a campus with a gun."

A likely mass shooting was stopped on Wednesday in West Virginia. A man came in to a graduation party firing an AR-15 at the crowd but a woman carrying a gun shot and killed him before he hit anyone. This is why our right to own guns & carry is so critical!https://t.co/iv8tg2NRaA

— Robby Starbuck (@robbystarbuck) May 28, 2022

Meanwhile, at this Texas shooting, we are told that the shooter arrives at the school and is shooting OUTSIDE of the school for 12 minutes before he goes inside the school. In that 12 minutes the school officials didn't even think to lock the doors of the school. The entire time, the cops are apparently doing absolutely nothing for ONE FREAKING HOUR, letting the guy have free reign to shoot as many as possible. No, let me correct that...the cops were outside restraining the parents from being able to go inside and rescue their children.

Moral of the story...you need good guys with guns to stop bad guys with guns. And you need the good guys to actually ACT.

This appears to be a STAND DOWN, where the cops were ordered to allow this to take place. It's unconscionable that cops with body armor could just stand around and do nothing, if this actually occurred as they are saying.

Not only that, but it gives defund the police new life for a whole 'nother reason. Talk about getting paid to stand around and do nothing.

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Not only that, but it gives defund the police new life for a whole 'nother reason. Talk about getting paid to stand around and do nothing.

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If I didn't know any better you would think the area has been a "democrat stronghold" for decades....

Just saying.... pretty damn sure in my county any chance of kids getting shot in school there'd be more to worry about than some chicken **** police/volunteers/losers that the only job they could get was at the local DA's volunteer group.

Much of today's male population is filled with estrogen and have evolved into a bunch of pansies. To think we could mount an invasion of Normandy with the 40 and under crowd of today is laughable.

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Much of today's male population is filled with estrogen and have a evolved into a bunch of pansies. To think we could mount an invasion of Normandy with the 40 and under crowd of today is laughable.

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Normandy?? Hell, they won't stop a damn idiot rushing a CVS.....

Add that in with the "trophy for everyone" group on here and their fearless leader, and you see what we have "protecting" our values and our Constitution.

For those who want to ban the AR15, here is a short tutorial. The top photo is the "evil" AR15 you want to ban. The second is the Ruger Mini14 you seem to accept. Well boys and girls it shoots the same bullet at the same rate of fire, yet somehow it is not evil. Last but not least let's look and the bottom photo. It is the M1A. It also is acceptable, yet it shoots a far more powerful round at almost the same rate of fire as the other two. All three are only as dangerous as the person holding them. You my friends are blaming the shovel for digging a hole in your front yard. Yes we have a devastating problem on our hands, but blaming the gun will never solve it.

Uvalde local down the street from where Biden is attending mass says he needs to visit the border and address the issue. She tells me that the local resources in Uvalde are used up in dealing with migrants pic.twitter.com/wmStxBMV7b

— Jorge Ventura Media (@VenturaReport) May 29, 2022

There are different pics with the same story. I can't help but wonder why so much disinformation about such a tragedy. (For those of you who didn't grow up with a bunch of WW2 veterans as uncles, here's what one looks like - they don't have a sports uniform on)




In case anyone missed it the man that killed the school shooter in Texas wasn't even an on duty officer!
It was a parent and spouse of a 4th grade teacher, he just happened to be a border patrol agent.
He was getting a haircut when his wife started texting him that there was a school shooter. He grabbed the barbers shotgun, rushed to the school and ran into the school past 19 officers that were sitting on scene while children were being killed. He then evacuated his wife and daughter and went back in and shot the suspect.
That mans name is Jacob Albarado and he is the true hero in this story. God bless him and his family.

https://www.newsweek.com/off-duty-officer-went-school-during-uvalde-shooting-find-daughter-1711051?fbclid=IwAR3DABP18qEV7lhRq9PJtLDOA3k0iRWzA4UtSHsUCnMFyfbiOP9gEjtMKQw

Had a thought over the weekend: Maybe tech can offer a partial solution? If all guns were required to have electronic firing and could be equipped with a tamper-proof chip, you could set up local encrypted transmitters at schools, churches, etc. that would prevent these weapons from firing within some reasonable radius. Law enforcement guns would not be so equipped. I know smart gun technology has not gotten off to a big start so far, but this seems like this would be doable with today's technology and would sidestep gun ban talk. Main resistance would be people afraid of "the government" shutting off their guns which, if honest, would be theoretically possible. So again, would need compromise.

The real solution, of course, is health care and is probably one of the biggest differences between the US and other gun rich countries. Though it's yet another source of political divide, single-payer healthcare that guarantees everyone in this country basic physical and mental healthcare no matter economic status is, IMO, the best single answer.

Finally, was talking with my SIL about this - he has far more experience with gun ownership. He noted that, while AR-15s are built to fire light rounds quickly and accurately, the relative lethality of AR-15s compared to hand guns depends on the type of rounds, size of the magazine, and other factors. Plus, due to their wild popularity over the last 20 years (I did not realize just how many are out there), a ban would likely take many decades to have any real statistical impact (as opposed to when the Clinton ban was enacted). So, I'll walk back my earlier statement that an assault-style weapons ban is a "no brainer" and say instead it's worth review but would be unlikely to have any short term impact at all.

Don't believe this is the guy that shot the shooter…but agreed on all you other points.

Some interesting thought about smart tech getting involved, but it worksheets solve the black market aspect to everything that is deemed illegal.
Single payer health care... nothing ever works when the federal government takes control. Just look at rising college costs and prescription meds. Plus, the recent formula shortage should serve as a lesson for all who want more government. Tight restrictions on production combined with an issue with one plant leads to shortage, and then a surplus at the border

No thanks! Don't want the government to decide who gets medical care when things get tight.

"no one is coming for your guns"

"no one is coming for your ammunition"

NEW - Biden on 9mm ammo: "2nd Amendment was never absolute."pic.twitter.com/D9nDjmXKD1

— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) May 30, 2022

Watch this ****. This demented kid sniffer commie POS literally says "a 9mm bullet blows the lung out of the body" (word for word quote).

"Shall not be infringed" sounds pretty "absolute" to me, Beijing Joe.

This idiot doesn't know anything about guns or ammunition or the 2nd Amendment.

I should have known your limits for talking your politics exceed posting **** like this in threads like this.

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I should have known your limits for talking your politics exceed posting **** like this in threads like this.

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There's a lot of stuff you should know that you don't.

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"no one is coming for your guns"

"no one is coming for your ammunition"

NEW - Biden on 9mm ammo: "2nd Amendment was never absolute."pic.twitter.com/D9nDjmXKD1

— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) May 30, 2022

Watch this ****. This demented kid sniffer commie POS literally says "a 9mm bullet blows the lung out of the body" (word for word quote).

"Shall not be infringed" sounds pretty "absolute" to me, Beijing Joe.

This idiot doesn't know anything about guns or ammunition or the 2nd Amendment.

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2nd amendment is not absolute, but Roe vs Wade is, according to this idiot. 40something years in government and he doesn't know the difference?

Trudeau just announced they are moving to ban handguns in Canada. Wonder if the timing has anything to do with Texas. You don't think the Marxist Democrats dream of doing that here too? They've already been attempting this for decades in Democrat-run cities. All they would need to do is rig the Supreme Court to go along with it, and they would attempt it on the Federal and state level.

Saw this posted in anther forum:

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Shouldn't the mass shooting that happened at the school be MORE reason to have guns for self defense?

It's been pretty much proven the cops did NOTHING to help for almost an hour while little kids and teachers were being massacred.

If cops had zero motivation to help in that situation, what makes you think they are interested in helping the average citizen in a similar situation?

Wouldn't this be even MORE reason to want to protect the 2nd amendment, seeing that cops literally show with their actions they aren't going to help even your kids in a situation like this?

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Over the years whenever the topic of gun control or a mass shooting comes up, I've always reiterated the fact that a major deterrent to crime is to have a citizenry that is more armed. More guns are the answer, not more gun control. Gun control only disarms law abiding, decent citizens. Criminals will simply ignore gun control laws, and will always be armed. The result is that gun control leads to higher crime rates, because you disarm the good people, and leave them vulnerable to the criminals who will continue to be armed. And this is completely supported by reality -- look at Democrat-run cities with heavy gun control (eg, Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, etc), which have the highest crime rates in the nation.

For a small example, look at the recent incident in West Virginia posted on a few days ago, where a woman (regular citizen) who was armed stopped a potential mass shooting.

The response of the police in this Texas incident (allegedly waiting outside the school doing nothing for an hour) only proves that we need MORE armed citizens. If the police are going to do nothing, then who is going to stop these criminals? Even if you have good police who will actually act, at best it's going to take them probably 10 minutes to get to the scene. In order to most effectively protect yourself and prevent crime from taking place, you need good citizens to be armed...as they are able to act immediately to protect themselves and their families and friends and community.

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2nd amendment is not absolute, but Roe vs Wade is, according to this idiot. 40something years in government and he doesn't know the difference?

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Isn't that accurate though, that the 2nd amendment is not absolute? Aren't there classes of guns or specific guns that aren't legal? If the 2nd Amendment was absolute, wouldn't that be unconstitutional?

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Steve Videtich said:

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2nd amendment is not absolute, but Roe vs Wade is, according to this idiot. 40something years in government and he doesn't know the difference?

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Isn't that accurate though, that the 2nd amendment is not absolute? Aren't there classes of guns or specific guns that aren't legal? If the 2nd Amendment was absolute, wouldn't that be unconstitutional?

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Yes, it IS unconstitutional to ban certain classes of firearms. The Supreme Court is wrong to uphold, for example, bans on fully automatic rifles (if that has been the case).

As is clear from the plain language and intent of the authors of the Second Amendment, the purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to have an armed citizenry that form a "civilian army" able to defend the nation. Paraphrasing the text of the amendment, it states...."A well-armed militia being necessary to secure the nation (from any threat or enemy), the right of the people to own and carry firearms shall not be infringed".

The entire purpose of the 2A is to have citizens with MILITARY-GRADE weapons. To collectively form a civilian army to defend the nation, against all enemies foreign or domestic...including a tyrannical government at home.

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Isn't that accurate though, that the 2nd amendment is not absolute? Aren't there classes of guns or specific guns that aren't legal? If the 2nd Amendment was absolute, wouldn't that be unconstitutional?

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Yes, it IS unconstitutional to ban certain classes of firearms. The Supreme Court is wrong to uphold, for example bans on fully automatic rifles (if that has been the case).

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If that has been the case? You're not sure? This seems like it's right up your alley as something you would be shouting from the rooftops about.

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2nd amendment is not absolute, but Roe vs Wade is, according to this idiot. 40something years in government and he doesn't know the difference?

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Isn't that accurate though, that the 2nd amendment is not absolute? Aren't there classes of guns or specific guns that aren't legal? If the 2nd Amendment was absolute, wouldn't that be unconstitutional?

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It makes any ban unconstitutional, by the second amendment. But, to make a statement that it isn't absolute, and then in the next speech say that a court ruling is absolute is just asinine.

"Congress must call a convention for proposing amendments upon application of the legislatures of two-thirds of the states (i.e., 34 of 50 states). Amendments proposed by Congress or convention become valid only when ratified by the legislatures of, or conventions in, three-fourths of the states (i.e., 38 of 50 states)."

That's about as absolute as we have.

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2nd amendment is not absolute, but Roe vs Wade is, according to this idiot. 40something years in government and he doesn't know the difference?

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Isn't that accurate though, that the 2nd amendment is not absolute? Aren't there classes of guns or specific guns that aren't legal? If the 2nd Amendment was absolute, wouldn't that be unconstitutional?

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well the guys who wrote the second amendment didn't allow people who had foreign govt connections and slaves to have guns, so it's not absolute

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well the guys who wrote the second amendment didn't allow people who had foreign govt connections and slaves to have guns, so it's not absolute

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HA

It seems surprising that 2nd Amendment advocates are OK with the limitations that are in place currently for what firearms they can have, but think there can't be any further limitations.

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Steve Videtich said:

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2nd amendment is not absolute, but Roe vs Wade is, according to this idiot. 40something years in government and he doesn't know the difference?

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Isn't that accurate though, that the 2nd amendment is not absolute? Aren't there classes of guns or specific guns that aren't legal? If the 2nd Amendment was absolute, wouldn't that be unconstitutional?

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well the guys who wrote the second amendment didn't allow people who had foreign govt connections and slaves to have guns, so it's not absolute

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We don't have chattel slaves any more. So your point is irrelevant. We are all citizens now. Do citizens have Second Amendment rights?

The founders intended that all citizens had the right to own and carry firearms. THAT is absolute...that CITIZENS have the absolute right to own and carry firearms.

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HA

It seems surprising that 2nd Amendment advocates are OK with the limitations that are in place currently for what firearms they can have, but think there can't be any further limitations.

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I don't support any of the limitations currently in place. Every free man or woman has the right to defend themselves, including convicted felons. They've served their time and have supposedly "served their debt" and/or have been "rehabilitated".

I suppose about the only "limitation" is that someone currently in prison can't be armed. But if we want to go down that rabbit hole, I actually oppose the prison system, and don't think imprisonment is a valid system of punishment and should be abolished. But that's a separate discussion.