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Now it's the scary 30 round mag.

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I just would like to understand the need for a 30 round magazine.

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The simplest answer is because the other guy has a 30 round magazine. What would be an appropriate sized magazine for you?

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Now it's the scary 30 round mag.

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I ask this in all seriousness.....at what point do you need a 30 round mag?

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I ask this in all seriousness…..at what point do you need to drive over 55 mph?

At what point do you need to be able to order a sugary soft drink?

At what point do you need to be able to buy a fifth of liqueur?

At what point do you need to buy cigarettes?

At what point do you need anything beyond basic shelter, water and food you grow?

There's the problem with slippery slopes based on need, they get really ****ing slippery.

^ The cattle in the cattle shoot don't realize the danger until its too late.

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Now it's the scary 30 round mag.

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I ask this in all seriousness.....at what point do you need a 30 round mag?

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I ask this in all seriousness…..at what point do you need to drive over 55 mph?

At what point do you need to be able to order a sugary soft drink?

At what point do you need to be able to buy a fifth of liqueur?

At what point do you need to buy cigarettes?

At what point do you need anything beyond basic shelter, water and food you grow?

There's the problem with slippery slopes based on need, they get really ****ing slippery.

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My analogy has always been why do you need a 400 HP motor in a car when 100 gets you from point A to point B just fine?

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Now it's the scary 30 round mag.

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I ask this in all seriousness.....at what point do you need a 30 round mag?

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When you take one right away you lefties would just be getting started.

Some of us are not blind following sheep and we know what the end game would be. So do you comrade.

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Now it's the scary 30 round mag.

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I just would like to understand the need for a 30 round magazine.

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The simplest answer is because the other guy has a 30 round magazine. What would be an appropriate sized magazine for you?

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10. I personally have a 7+1 for my rifle and that's enough ammo for a couple hunting trips

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hokiewolf said:

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Now it's the scary 30 round mag.

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I just would like to understand the need for a 30 round magazine.

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The simplest answer is because the other guy has a 30 round magazine. What would be an appropriate sized magazine for you?

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10. I personally have a 7+1 for my rifle and that's enough ammo for a couple hunting trips

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Cool. Enjoy. I have 3-4 30 round magazines for my AR, multiple 15 round magazines for my pistols. Plenty of ammo for hunting trips.

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hokiewolf said:

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Now it's the scary 30 round mag.

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I just would like to understand the need for a 30 round magazine.

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The simplest answer is because the other guy has a 30 round magazine. What would be an appropriate sized magazine for you?

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10. I personally have a 7+1 for my rifle and that's enough ammo for a couple hunting trips

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The difference between dumping 30 rounds out of a single magazine and dumping 30 rounds out of 3 10-round magazines is less than three seconds.

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hokiewolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Now it's the scary 30 round mag.

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I just would like to understand the need for a 30 round magazine.

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The simplest answer is because the other guy has a 30 round magazine. What would be an appropriate sized magazine for you?

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10. I personally have a 7+1 for my rifle and that's enough ammo for a couple hunting trips

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Cool. Enjoy. I have 3-4 30 round magazines for my AR, multiple 15 round magazines for my pistols. Plenty of ammo for hunting trips.

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why do you need that much ammo for hunting? I have done long Caribou trips with my brother in law and we don't have anything g close to that

I don't think for one moment that banning assault rifles stops gun violence, but it would stop their supply and, over time, reduce the probability of the types of now-regular massacres that involve them. What's the pro/con of an assault weapon ban? Con: People who can still own guns can't own assault rifles. Is that the downside? You can invoke the "slippery slope" argument of gun ownership, but I think that's specious and, more importantly, I'd argue that we're already at the bottom of the other side of the same slope where mass shootings are common and treated as the cost of doing business. And again, this would be just one piece of the puzzle. But it's all just talk and opinion - no one's going to ban anything. We all know that.

hokiewolf said:

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Now it's the scary 30 round mag.

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I just would like to understand the need for a 30 round magazine.

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The simplest answer is because the other guy has a 30 round magazine. What would be an appropriate sized magazine for you?

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10. I personally have a 7+1 for my rifle and that's enough ammo for a couple hunting trips

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Cool. Enjoy. I have 3-4 30 round magazines for my AR, multiple 15 round magazines for my pistols. Plenty of ammo for hunting trips.

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why do you need that much ammo for hunting? I have done long Caribou trips with my brother in law and we don't have anything g close to that

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I don't "need" it for hunting. I have plenty of ammo for hunting trips. I only use my AR in a hunting capacity for depredation hunting every year. Fully loaded. Never go through whole mag, but it's available if needed.

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Outlawing assault rifles, semiautomatics, and large magazines seems like a no brainer.

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Will never happen, nor should it. I would certainly never turn mine in. Perhaps you just don't know what you're talking about as it pertains to guns, but this 100% is they're coming for your guns. Would do zero to curb these things from happening. Would be one of those feel good to the left gestures that just does nothing at best or makes things worse.

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I agree with you here. There are too many guns in circulation now both legally and illegally for any sort of gun ban to work. Where I would compromise would be the discontinuation of sale of large magazines. That I'd be willing to listen to. That would potentially have an impact to maybe save a life.

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I would be at the Gun Store as soon as this legislation started gaining momentum.

Buy, Buy, Buy!!!

I have three 30 round magazines for my AR15. They don't last forever; so, I would want more, just for reserve. Not that I'm carrying a bunch of magazines with me. In fact, when I do go to the range, I never take multiple magazines for my rifle. When it come to my pistols, I do keep multiple magazines with me. I always have a magazine loaded with Critical Defense ammo for my Hellcat (everyday carry and soon to be my conceal carry). Other magazines are for range shooting, not loaded and stored.

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what's the point of having a 30 round magazine? This isn't 'Nam.

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Remember, this guy has been talking a new civil war. Lord have mercy

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God chimes in again!

hokiewolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Now it's the scary 30 round mag.

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I just would like to understand the need for a 30 round magazine.

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The simplest answer is because the other guy has a 30 round magazine. What would be an appropriate sized magazine for you?

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10. I personally have a 7+1 for my rifle and that's enough ammo for a couple hunting trips

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Cool. Enjoy. I have 3-4 30 round magazines for my AR, multiple 15 round magazines for my pistols. Plenty of ammo for hunting trips.

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why do you need that much ammo for hunting? I have done long Caribou trips with my brother in law and we don't have anything g close to that

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In case the deer are armed?

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I don't think for one moment that banning assault rifles stops gun violence, but it would stop their supply and, over time, reduce the probability of the types of now-regular massacres that involve them. What's the pro/con of an assault weapon ban? Con: People who can still own guns can't own assault rifles. Is that the downside? You can invoke the "slippery slope" argument of gun ownership, but I think that's specious and, more importantly, I'd argue that we're already at the bottom of the other side of the same slope where mass shootings are common and treated as the cost of doing business. And again, this would be just one piece of the puzzle. But it's all just talk and opinion - no one's going to ban anything. We all know that.

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the slippery slope is there is no difference in firing speed between an "assault rifle" (which btw you have very loosely defined) and a semiautomatic pistol. So when the next school shooting happens with a semiautomatic pistol are we going to ban those too?

That's the slippery slope

I disagree. Drugs are illegal/banned. We haven't slowed the supply or stopped the deaths even remotely. To go along with it, the left is against improved border security. Would just creat another illegal trade market where people willing to break the law still get whatever they want.

hokiewolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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dogplasma said:

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Outlawing assault rifles, semiautomatics, and large magazines seems like a no brainer.

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Will never happen, nor should it. I would certainly never turn mine in. Perhaps you just don't know what you're talking about as it pertains to guns, but this 100% is they're coming for your guns. Would do zero to curb these things from happening. Would be one of those feel good to the left gestures that just does nothing at best or makes things worse.

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I agree with you here. There are too many guns in circulation now both legally and illegally for any sort of gun ban to work. Where I would compromise would be the discontinuation of sale of large magazines. That I'd be willing to listen to. That would potentially have an impact to maybe save a life.

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I would be at the Gun Store as soon as this legislation started gaining momentum.

Buy, Buy, Buy!!!

I have three 30 round magazines for my AR15. They don't last forever; so, I would want more, just for reserve. Not that I'm carrying a bunch of magazines with me. In fact, when I do go to the range, I never take multiple magazines for my rifle. When it come to my pistols, I do keep multiple magazines with me. I always have a magazine loaded with Critical Defense ammo for my Hellcat (everyday carry and soon to be my conceal carry). Other magazines are for range shooting, not loaded and stored.

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what's the point of having a 30 round magazine? This isn't 'Nam.

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Actually, when I bought my AR, a 30 round mag came with it. So, I saw some on sell at Nuese Sport Shop and bought a couple more... just so you and Chem are comfortable, I don't think I've ever pulled the additional mags out of the bags they came in.

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hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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Now it's the scary 30 round mag.

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I just would like to understand the need for a 30 round magazine.

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The simplest answer is because the other guy has a 30 round magazine. What would be an appropriate sized magazine for you?

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10. I personally have a 7+1 for my rifle and that's enough ammo for a couple hunting trips

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Cool. Enjoy. I have 3-4 30 round magazines for my AR, multiple 15 round magazines for my pistols. Plenty of ammo for hunting trips.

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why do you need that much ammo for hunting? I have done long Caribou trips with my brother in law and we don't have anything g close to that

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In case the deer are armed?

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...or have Kevlar vests as Biden has repeated ad nauseam.

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hokiewolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Now it's the scary 30 round mag.

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I just would like to understand the need for a 30 round magazine.

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The simplest answer is because the other guy has a 30 round magazine. What would be an appropriate sized magazine for you?

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10. I personally have a 7+1 for my rifle and that's enough ammo for a couple hunting trips

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Cool. Enjoy. I have 3-4 30 round magazines for my AR, multiple 15 round magazines for my pistols. Plenty of ammo for hunting trips.

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why do you need that much ammo for hunting? I have done long Caribou trips with my brother in law and we don't have anything g close to that

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I don't "need" it for hunting. I have plenty of ammo for hunting trips. I only use my AR in a hunting capacity for depredation hunting every year. Fully loaded. Never go through whole mag, but it's available if needed.

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I'm not trying to badger you or trap you in an argument btw, but other than a theoretical other guy has a 30 round capacity magazine, what would be the condition in which you would need a 30 round magazine? If they went away, what function are you losing with your rifle?

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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dogplasma said:

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Outlawing assault rifles, semiautomatics, and large magazines seems like a no brainer.

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Will never happen, nor should it. I would certainly never turn mine in. Perhaps you just don't know what you're talking about as it pertains to guns, but this 100% is they're coming for your guns. Would do zero to curb these things from happening. Would be one of those feel good to the left gestures that just does nothing at best or makes things worse.

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I agree with you here. There are too many guns in circulation now both legally and illegally for any sort of gun ban to work. Where I would compromise would be the discontinuation of sale of large magazines. That I'd be willing to listen to. That would potentially have an impact to maybe save a life.

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I would be at the Gun Store as soon as this legislation started gaining momentum.

Buy, Buy, Buy!!!

I have three 30 round magazines for my AR15. They don't last forever; so, I would want more, just for reserve. Not that I'm carrying a bunch of magazines with me. In fact, when I do go to the range, I never take multiple magazines for my rifle. When it come to my pistols, I do keep multiple magazines with me. I always have a magazine loaded with Critical Defense ammo for my Hellcat (everyday carry and soon to be my conceal carry). Other magazines are for range shooting, not loaded and stored.

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what's the point of having a 30 round magazine? This isn't 'Nam.

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Actually, when I bought my AR, a 30 round mag came with it. So, I saw some on sell at Nuese Sport Shop and bought a couple more... just so you and Chem are comfortable, I don't think I've ever pulled the additional mags out of the bags they came in.

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Mine came with one too. Bought 2 more at the dealer the same day. I definitely use all 3 at the range.

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hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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Now it's the scary 30 round mag.

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I just would like to understand the need for a 30 round magazine.

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The simplest answer is because the other guy has a 30 round magazine. What would be an appropriate sized magazine for you?

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10. I personally have a 7+1 for my rifle and that's enough ammo for a couple hunting trips

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Cool. Enjoy. I have 3-4 30 round magazines for my AR, multiple 15 round magazines for my pistols. Plenty of ammo for hunting trips.

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Maybe we should set up a target range, in the lot of Carter-Finley, and have a lunch and shoot with everybody...

hokiewolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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Now it's the scary 30 round mag.

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I just would like to understand the need for a 30 round magazine.

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The simplest answer is because the other guy has a 30 round magazine. What would be an appropriate sized magazine for you?

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10. I personally have a 7+1 for my rifle and that's enough ammo for a couple hunting trips

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Cool. Enjoy. I have 3-4 30 round magazines for my AR, multiple 15 round magazines for my pistols. Plenty of ammo for hunting trips.

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why do you need that much ammo for hunting? I have done long Caribou trips with my brother in law and we don't have anything g close to that

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I don't "need" it for hunting. I have plenty of ammo for hunting trips. I only use my AR in a hunting capacity for depredation hunting every year. Fully loaded. Never go through whole mag, but it's available if needed.

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I'm not trying to badger you or trap you in an argument btw, but other than a theoretical other guy has a 30 round capacity magazine, what would be the condition in which you would need a 30 round magazine? If they went away, what function are you losing with your rifle?

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Why is that not enough of a reason?

hokiewolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Now it's the scary 30 round mag.

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I just would like to understand the need for a 30 round magazine.

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The simplest answer is because the other guy has a 30 round magazine. What would be an appropriate sized magazine for you?

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10. I personally have a 7+1 for my rifle and that's enough ammo for a couple hunting trips

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Cool. Enjoy. I have 3-4 30 round magazines for my AR, multiple 15 round magazines for my pistols. Plenty of ammo for hunting trips.

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why do you need that much ammo for hunting? I have done long Caribou trips with my brother in law and we don't have anything g close to that

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I don't hunt!!

hokiewolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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Now it's the scary 30 round mag.

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I just would like to understand the need for a 30 round magazine.

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The simplest answer is because the other guy has a 30 round magazine. What would be an appropriate sized magazine for you?

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10. I personally have a 7+1 for my rifle and that's enough ammo for a couple hunting trips

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Cool. Enjoy. I have 3-4 30 round magazines for my AR, multiple 15 round magazines for my pistols. Plenty of ammo for hunting trips.

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why do you need that much ammo for hunting? I have done long Caribou trips with my brother in law and we don't have anything g close to that

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I don't "need" it for hunting. I have plenty of ammo for hunting trips. I only use my AR in a hunting capacity for depredation hunting every year. Fully loaded. Never go through whole mag, but it's available if needed.

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I'm not trying to badger you or trap you in an argument btw, but other than a theoretical other guy has a 30 round capacity magazine, what would be the condition in which you would need a 30 round magazine? If they went away, what function are you losing with your rifle?

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You keep asking it over and over though. Like examples above, it's simply because somebody made them.

Maybe? I don't know the answer. You maybe be right. Is there a difference to law enforcement in stopping a guy with a pistol vs a rifle? I just want to a see us trying something instead of nothing for a change.

Weapons bans aside, maybe we can at least move ahead with changes to background checks, security, and the other things that would hopefully have an effect.

packgrad said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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dogplasma said:

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Outlawing assault rifles, semiautomatics, and large magazines seems like a no brainer.

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Will never happen, nor should it. I would certainly never turn mine in. Perhaps you just don't know what you're talking about as it pertains to guns, but this 100% is they're coming for your guns. Would do zero to curb these things from happening. Would be one of those feel good to the left gestures that just does nothing at best or makes things worse.

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I agree with you here. There are too many guns in circulation now both legally and illegally for any sort of gun ban to work. Where I would compromise would be the discontinuation of sale of large magazines. That I'd be willing to listen to. That would potentially have an impact to maybe save a life.

---

I would be at the Gun Store as soon as this legislation started gaining momentum.

Buy, Buy, Buy!!!

I have three 30 round magazines for my AR15. They don't last forever; so, I would want more, just for reserve. Not that I'm carrying a bunch of magazines with me. In fact, when I do go to the range, I never take multiple magazines for my rifle. When it come to my pistols, I do keep multiple magazines with me. I always have a magazine loaded with Critical Defense ammo for my Hellcat (everyday carry and soon to be my conceal carry). Other magazines are for range shooting, not loaded and stored.

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what's the point of having a 30 round magazine? This isn't 'Nam.

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Actually, when I bought my AR, a 30 round mag came with it. So, I saw some on sell at Nuese Sport Shop and bought a couple more... just so you and Chem are comfortable, I don't think I've ever pulled the additional mags out of the bags they came in.

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Mine came with one too. Bought 2 more at the dealer the same day. I definitely use all 3 at the range.

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You know, now that I think about it... I haven't pulled my AR out in about a year. I guess I didn't really need it...

BTW, the news on what happened, in this horrific event, is getting more and more interesting... I don't even know what to think, at this point.

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Short of banning guns outright, which is fantasy, I don't know what gets us out of this bloody cycle, but I'm sure it's not any single thing. I'd like to see funding for more school security for certain. Universal background checks seem like a good idea on the face of it, although I don't know all the wrinkles. Better access to mental health care seems essential. Outlawing assault rifles, semiautomatics, and large magazines seems like a no brainer. Whatever the answer is, it isn't what we're doing now.

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Dog this is not specifically directed at you, but your comment prompted my response.

I have for the most part stayed out of this conversation as the usual suspects are attacking everyone. I have see this comment several times in the news media and other outlets. I would like to preface that I am prior military and I have been using firearms all of my life.

There is no such thing as an Assault Rifle. Assault is an action. I can have an Assault Rock, Assault Knife, or Assault scissors. There are "Military Style" rifles that are commercially available and firearms that "look scary" but are not Military Grade. There are many folks that are out there that hear AR-15 and assume that the AR stand for Assault Rifle. It does not. It is short for ArmaLite Rifle. It is a popular shooting platform and several other firearms manufacturers have adopted the platform. Also, there is a large misconception as it relates to "Semiautomatic" firearms. All this means is that there is a mechanical replacement of the round. For instance, my 12 gauge shotgun is a semiautomatic firearm. Each time I pull the trigger, the spent shell is ejected and a new shell is inserted. This is the same for rifles and pistols. Full automatic is when you do not have to pull the trigger each time to have a new casing inserted.

Also there is a BIG misconception when it comes to fully automatic weapons. If you have ever fired a weapon on fully automatic mode, you know that the aim is TERRIBLE. All you are doing is wasting ammo. There is a reason that machine gunners are trained to fire in 3-5 round burst and the M4 and M16A2 rifles have "burst" and not full auto. Yes, semi automatic firearms can be converted to full automatic. However, this is difficult and can cause issues with the mechanical workings of the firearms.

This statement is in no way a meant to defend anything that happened. There is a lot of rhetoric out there right now and a lot of people who don't know what they are talking about that have loud mouths and platforms. I am truly outraged by what happened. There is no way this individual should have been able to carry out this heinous act. I told some friends at work when this happened that we are going to find out that many things in the system broke down that allowed this to happen. I also told them that I guarantee this individual was known by police and there is evidence of mental health issues. I don't believe that NEW laws are the right way to go. Like in many cases, we simply need to enforce the laws that we have. Don't punish law abiding citizens because criminals break the law. Just remember, when seconds matter, the police are only minutes away.

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Maybe? I don't know the answer. You maybe be right. Is there a difference to law enforcement in stopping a guy with a pistol vs a rifle? I just want to a see us trying something instead of nothing for a change.

Weapons bans aside, maybe we can at least move ahead with changes to background checks, security, and the other things that would hopefully have an effect.

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You think the lefties will stop there? Seriously?

Have they ever just stopped with the "original" thought?

Remember when the MARXISTS on this board were laughing and calling us conspiracy theorists when we said their goal was to implement the "Green New Deal?" Sleepy Joe admitted we would be "paying more at the pumps during a time of transition."

You give one concession to the freedom hating loonies and they will have total control which is their end game. Not to mention most of them can't even define what an assault weapon is. Couple that with their unwillingness to address gun violence in left run cities it is obvious they only care about control over the people. Not lives being lost.

Based on reporting (I'm being very careful as I believe we have a lot of bad info), I'm hearing that a lady was handcuffed trying to get in for her child.

What does everyone think about this?

Would you defy police and go in to get your children?

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Short of banning guns outright, which is fantasy, I don't know what gets us out of this bloody cycle, but I'm sure it's not any single thing. I'd like to see funding for more school security for certain. Universal background checks seem like a good idea on the face of it, although I don't know all the wrinkles. Better access to mental health care seems essential. Outlawing assault rifles, semiautomatics, and large magazines seems like a no brainer. Whatever the answer is, it isn't what we're doing now.

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Dog this is not specifically directed at you, but your comment prompted my response.

I have for the most part stayed out of this conversation as the usual suspects are attacking everyone. I have see this comment several times in the news media and other outlets. I would like to preface that I am prior military and I have been using firearms all of my life.

There is no such thing as an Assault Rifle. Assault is an action. I can have an Assault Rock, Assault Knife, or Assault scissors. There are "Military Style" rifles that are commercially available and firearms that "look scary" but are not Military Grade. There are many folks that are out there that hear AR-15 and assume that the AR stand for Assault Rifle. It does not. It is short for ArmaLite Rifle. It is a popular shooting platform and several other firearms manufacturers have adopted the platform. Also, there is a large misconception as it relates to "Semiautomatic" firearms. All this means is that there is a mechanical replacement of the round. For instance, my 12 gauge shotgun is a semiautomatic firearm. Each time I pull the trigger, the spent shell is ejected and a new shell is inserted. This is the same for rifles and pistols. Full automatic is when you do not have to pull the trigger each time to have a new casing inserted.

Also there is a BIG misconception when it comes to fully automatic weapons. If you have ever fired a weapon on fully automatic mode, you know that the aim is TERRIBLE. All you are doing is wasting ammo. There is a reason that machine gunners are trained to fire in 3-5 round burst and the M4 and M16A2 rifles have "burst" and not full auto. Yes, semi automatic firearms can be converted to full automatic. However, this is difficult and can cause issues with the mechanical workings of the firearms.

This statement is in no way a meant to defend anything that happened. There is a lot of rhetoric out there right now and a lot of people who don't know what they are talking about that have loud mouths and platforms. I am truly outraged by what happened. There is no way this individual should have been able to carry out this heinous act. I told some friends at work when this happened that we are going to find out that many things in the system broke down that allowed this to happen. I also told them that I guarantee this individual was known by police and there is evidence of mental health issues. I don't believe that NEW laws are the right way to go. Like in many cases, we simply need to enforce the laws that we have. Don't punish law abiding citizens because criminals break the law. Just remember, when seconds matter, the police are only minutes away.

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Excellent post! I posted a picture, several pages ago, of a rifle that looks very normal. Actually, that rifle is a semi-automatic rifle that, I believe has a magazine slot for any size.

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Now it's the scary 30 round mag.

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I just would like to understand the need for a 30 round magazine.

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The simplest answer is because the other guy has a 30 round magazine. What would be an appropriate sized magazine for you?

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10. I personally have a 7+1 for my rifle and that's enough ammo for a couple hunting trips

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Cool. Enjoy. I have 3-4 30 round magazines for my AR, multiple 15 round magazines for my pistols. Plenty of ammo for hunting trips.

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why do you need that much ammo for hunting? I have done long Caribou trips with my brother in law and we don't have anything g close to that

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I don't "need" it for hunting. I have plenty of ammo for hunting trips. I only use my AR in a hunting capacity for depredation hunting every year. Fully loaded. Never go through whole mag, but it's available if needed.

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I'm not trying to badger you or trap you in an argument btw, but other than a theoretical other guy has a 30 round capacity magazine, what would be the condition in which you would need a 30 round magazine? If they went away, what function are you losing with your rifle?

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You keep asking it over and over though. Like examples above, it's simply because somebody made them.

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Which is how we came to own 2x as many guns per capita as the next-highest country, and 3x as many guns per capita as the next-highest world power.

We've been in an arms race for decades, buying up guns for any reason, no reason, because the "other guy" has one and we have to keep up, because someone made them.

Basically, we buy them because they're more available, to more people in this country than any other in the world. We buy them simply because we can.

There's no putting that toothpaste back in the tube. The damage is done with regard to American being awash in lethal weapons.

The only question now is how to try to mitigate some of the future pain from this condition.

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Based on reporting (I'm being very careful as I believe we have a lot of bad info), I'm hearing that a lady was handcuffed trying to get in for her child.

What does everyone think about this?

Would you defy police and go in to get your children?

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Yeah I've read a few things indicating the same. Couple of troubling accounts coming out, one from a 4th grade survivor that said cops told them to shout for help if they needed it. A little girl did just that and the shooter came over and shot her. Other accounts of parents being restrained from going in to get their child, parents urging cops to do something instead of just standing around, etc. Some cops going in to retrieve their own children but not helping any others. Pretty troubling stuff. I don't envy the position of law enforcement at all but if the solution is we need more good guys with guns, then I don't know if we have enough good guys.

I also think it's easy to imagine law enforcement playing the hero role and going in to save the day. But when put in the face of an active shooter, I think it's a lot tougher to throw yourself in there and go Rambo on the guy.

I hate that this sort of thing is becoming more and more regular (and it is becoming more and more regular).

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Now it's the scary 30 round mag.

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I just would like to understand the need for a 30 round magazine.

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The simplest answer is because the other guy has a 30 round magazine. What would be an appropriate sized magazine for you?

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10. I personally have a 7+1 for my rifle and that's enough ammo for a couple hunting trips

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Cool. Enjoy. I have 3-4 30 round magazines for my AR, multiple 15 round magazines for my pistols. Plenty of ammo for hunting trips.

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why do you need that much ammo for hunting? I have done long Caribou trips with my brother in law and we don't have anything g close to that

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I don't "need" it for hunting. I have plenty of ammo for hunting trips. I only use my AR in a hunting capacity for depredation hunting every year. Fully loaded. Never go through whole mag, but it's available if needed.

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I'm not trying to badger you or trap you in an argument btw, but other than a theoretical other guy has a 30 round capacity magazine, what would be the condition in which you would need a 30 round magazine? If they went away, what function are you losing with your rifle?

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You keep asking it over and over though. Like examples above, it's simply because somebody made them.

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so basically if they went away no one would miss them and you'd still have a functional rifle.

Just because they are available isn't justification for having them in the market, especially if the only purpose that I've seen so far for a 30 round magazine is to do harm to other people.

I do enjoy when a reporter asks a difficult question and the official, in this case Ted Cruz has no viable answer so he storms off

Journalist: “Why [are mass shooting] just an American problem?”

A visibly upset Ted Cruz: “Stop being a propagandist.”

pic.twitter.com/5bjPn6gbf6

— philip lewis (@Phil_Lewis_) May 26, 2022

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Now it's the scary 30 round mag.

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I just would like to understand the need for a 30 round magazine.

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The simplest answer is because the other guy has a 30 round magazine. What would be an appropriate sized magazine for you?

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10. I personally have a 7+1 for my rifle and that's enough ammo for a couple hunting trips

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Cool. Enjoy. I have 3-4 30 round magazines for my AR, multiple 15 round magazines for my pistols. Plenty of ammo for hunting trips.

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why do you need that much ammo for hunting? I have done long Caribou trips with my brother in law and we don't have anything g close to that

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I don't "need" it for hunting. I have plenty of ammo for hunting trips. I only use my AR in a hunting capacity for depredation hunting every year. Fully loaded. Never go through whole mag, but it's available if needed.

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I'm not trying to badger you or trap you in an argument btw, but other than a theoretical other guy has a 30 round capacity magazine, what would be the condition in which you would need a 30 round magazine? If they went away, what function are you losing with your rifle?

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You keep asking it over and over though. Like examples above, it's simply because somebody made them.

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so basically if they went away no one would miss them and you'd still have a functional rifle.

Just because they are available isn't justification for having them in the market, especially if the only purpose that I've seen so far for a 30 round magazine is to do harm to other people.

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They're used for hunting. I even told you I use them. How exactly do you make them go away?