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hokiewolf said:

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I found it extremely interesting how they broke down the data down to the neighborhood in some area. Like Chicago. You would hope/think this would drive the discussion down to the fact that guns aren't really the problem, just gun violence is part of the symptom.

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I was just coming back to this topic to encourage Civ to take a look at the Chicago neighborhood map since he likes maps. I agree that the maps do help us understand the hot spots geographically.

hokie, I like the way you stated that bolded point too.

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hokiewolf said:

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I found it extremely interesting how they broke down the data down to the neighborhood in some area. Like Chicago. You would hope/think this would drive the discussion down to the fact that guns aren't really the problem, just gun violence is part of the symptom.

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BREAKING: Surveillance video from inside Robb Elementary School shows that police never attempted to open either of the two classroom doors that housed the shooter-mass murderer and his victims-children/teachers.

— BNN Newsroom (@BNNBreaking) June 19, 2022

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hokiewolf said:

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I found it extremely interesting how they broke down the data down to the neighborhood in some area. Like Chicago. You would hope/think this would drive the discussion down to the fact that guns aren't really the problem, just gun violence is part of the symptom.

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Seriously. Do that many people really go through living their lives with blinders on?

That map only shows exactly what most here already realize...

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statefan91 said:

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BREAKING: Surveillance video from inside Robb Elementary School shows that police never attempted to open either of the two classroom doors that housed the shooter-mass murderer and his victims-children/teachers.

— BNN Newsroom (@BNNBreaking) June 19, 2022

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SAN ANTONIO According to a new report by the San Antonio Express-News, a surveillance video shows police never tried to open the doors at Robb Elementary leading to the classrooms where the shooter went inside.

The report cites law enforcement close to the investigation as their source.
That source reportedly told the Express-News that police may have assumed the doors were locked and the shooter could not have locked the doors from the inside. Pete Arredondo, the district police chief in charge of law enforcement's response at Robb, has said previously that he went through a ring of keys provided by a janitor in order to try and gain entry.

The Express-News, however, reports that he was instead trying other doors nearby in an attempt to locate a master key.

The classroom doors at Robb Elementary are designed to lock automatically when they are closed with a key as the only way to open the doors on the outside, the source told the newspaper.

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Chicago last night. pic.twitter.com/ttISEAnsV2

— SilencedMajority (@BackthenFoward) June 18, 2022

#DCSHOOTING #MOECHELLA pic.twitter.com/FXWg2eWRjK

— Stanley E Wilson (@SEWINNOVATIVE) June 20, 2022

BREAKING: Multiple officers were inside Robb Elementary School with rifles and at least one ballistic shield at 11:52 a.m. the day of the shooting, new video and other evidence shows. They didn’t enter the classroom for another 58 minutes. More soon via @statesman and @KVUE. 1/2 pic.twitter.com/0BcYgq2hcQ

— Tony Plohetski (@tplohetski) June 20, 2022

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BREAKING: Multiple officers were inside Robb Elementary School with rifles and at least one ballistic shield at 11:52 a.m. the day of the shooting, new video and other evidence shows. They didn’t enter the classroom for another 58 minutes. More soon via @statesman and @KVUE. 1/2 pic.twitter.com/0BcYgq2hcQ

— Tony Plohetski (@tplohetski) June 20, 2022

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AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Texas public safety chief says classroom door in Uvalde school shooting was not locked, even as police waited for key.

— Jonathan Lemire (@JonLemire) June 21, 2022

New: The Texas state police director said police could have stopped the Uvalde shooter within 3 minutes and faced *0* locked doors, yet did not because of the inexplicable hesitation of the incident commander, who put officer safety ahead of rescuing kids.https://t.co/jF3QUZffif

— Zach Despart (@zachdespart) June 21, 2022

Uvalde school shooting incident commander Peter Arredondo — who stopped police from saving children, sacrificed children to a school shooter, lied over and over again, and then attempted the worst coverup in LE history — is a Biden donor. pic.twitter.com/UKfVQmeghy

— Marina Medvin 🇺🇸 (@MarinaMedvin) June 21, 2022

NEW: Testimony today from the Texas Dept of Public Safety revealed that Eva Mireles, a Uvalde teacher, called her husband to say she’d been shot and was dying. When he tried to save her, he was detained, had his gun taken away, and was escorted away. https://t.co/9Em06tGkFG

— Shannon Watts (@shannonrwatts) June 21, 2022

hokiewolf said:

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Man every day something new seems to come out to make this a bigger cluster than you think could be possible. Just an abject failure by the police here.

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PackFansXL said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Man every day something new seems to come out to make this a bigger cluster than you think could be possible. Just an abject failure by the police here.

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It almost seems like they intended to make this as bad as they could. It's inconceivable that this same team completed training for this type of situation in March and then they did the opposite of what they were trained to do just a few weeks later.

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BBW12OG said:

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PackFansXL said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Man every day something new seems to come out to make this a bigger cluster than you think could be possible. Just an abject failure by the police here.

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It almost seems like they intended to make this as bad as they could. It's inconceivable that this same team completed training for this type of situation in March and then they did the opposite of what they were trained to do just a few weeks later.

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As if something bad were to happen they would be able to make some sort of political statement........

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hokiewolf said:

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Man every day something new seems to come out to make this a bigger cluster than you think could be possible. Just an abject failure by the police here.

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TheStorm said:

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BBW12OG said:

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PackFansXL said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Man every day something new seems to come out to make this a bigger cluster than you think could be possible. Just an abject failure by the police here.

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It almost seems like they intended to make this as bad as they could. It's inconceivable that this same team completed training for this type of situation in March and then they did the opposite of what they were trained to do just a few weeks later.

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As if something bad were to happen they would be able to make some sort of political statement........

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Yep. Kind of like something else that didn't make any sense...

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hokiewolf said:

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Man every day something new seems to come out to make this a bigger cluster than you think could be possible. Just an abject failure by the police here.

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This is why the initial reaction of banning certain guns should have been paused. I have no problem with people wanting to talk about policy changes; however, we should always wait until undisputed facts come out.

BTW, I'm still waiting for a more precise understanding. Right now, things don't look good; however, it's still too early to form conclusions.

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Man every day something new seems to come out to make this a bigger cluster than you think could be possible. Just an abject failure by the police here.

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This is why the initial reaction of banning certain guns should have been paused. I have no problem with people wanting to talk about policy changes; however, we should always wait until undisputed facts come out.

BTW, I'm still waiting for a more precise understanding. Right now, things don't look good; however, it's still too early to form conclusions.

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Man between this and election fraud you sure do wait a long time to form conclusions.

Just giving you a hard time but it's nearly impossible to conceive of reasonable explanations for the seemingly utter lack of having or following active school schooler protocols down there.

Just a massive cluster from tip to tail.

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caryking said:

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And the republicans helped support the gun bill in the senate…

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The Supreme Court on Thursday ruled that New York's "proper-cause" requirement to obtain a concealed-carry license is unconstitutional as it violates ordinary citizens' Second Amendment rights.

The Court voted 6 - 3 to strike down the New York law, which has been in place since 1913 and required that people show a special need to obtain a license to carry a concealed handgun outside the home.

Justice Clarence Thomas wrote in the majority opinion in New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to carry a gun outside the home, adding that the state's "proper cause" requirement "violates the Fourteenth Amendment by preventing law-abiding citizens with ordinary self-defense needs from exercising their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms in public for self-defense."

Roughly one-quarter of the U.S. population lives in states that will likely be impacted by the ruling, the Associated Press reported. Several states have similar laws that are likely to be challenged in response to the ruling, including California, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, and Rhode Island, according to the AP.

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caryking said:

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And the republicans helped support the gun bill in the senate…

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Oldsouljer said:

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caryking said:

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And the republicans helped support the gun bill in the senate…

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Let's be specific where it matters, RINO Thom Tillis led the way because he knows we'll forget all about it in 2025 when he becomes a fifth year conservative prepping for another election.

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One other thought, the new USSC decision concerning 2nd Amendment rights is so sweeping that I'm not sure what they've crafted in the Senate isn't already legally stillborn.

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Gagliano, a retired FBI supervisory special agent who served on the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team and as a senior SWAT team leader, told National Review in a recent interview that the police response in Uvalde represented a "colossal failure of the incident command system."

"Why was a police chief of a six-member school-district police department left in charge as the on-scene commander as long as he was?" Gagliano said. "I would argue a sergeant or lieutenant from a larger police department, whether it's the Department of Public Safety in Texas or another local police department with a bigger department probably has more experience in training."

Gagliano said it was the responsibility of someone from a larger organization to arrive and tell Arredondo they were taking control of the scene. Without that, Arredondo felt he was in charge and was left to make the "horrific decision . . . to wait for the cavalry to show up."

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