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And I think you miss the point. BBW is only doing what he does best....flood the site with crappy misleading posts to detract and obfuscate. If there a kernel of truth, its usually an accident. Handguns were not part of the debate, here, and for the most part on the national level.

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And of all homicides involving guns, handguns are used in over 95% of those homicides. And rifles are only used in around 450 homicides per year, around 2% of all homicides involving guns.

And so the Marxist Left is OBSESSED with banning AR-15s and semi-automatic rifles. Why? Because it supports their communist agenda to prevent the public from being able to resist the tyrannical government they are establishing.

Why isn't the Marxist Left concerned about handguns, which are used in over 95% of murders involving guns? Because the Marxist Left has never cared about human life, or "cared about the children". Look at abortion. They CELEBRATE the mass murder of millions of children.

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Orrrr, maybe because the killings hit closer to home and many reasonable people just look at ARs as unnecessary moreso than handguns?

This discussion should have nothing to do with abortion. I want babies to be born too (I'm actually an adoptive parent). But I also don't want kids and teachers getting shot up in schools.

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"Reasonable" people. "Reasonable" gun control. Yada yada

Always parroting the talking points that the DNC and communist Lamestream media are putting out.

As discussed in depth earlier in this thread, the entire purpose of the Second Amendment is to equip a "civilian army" that can defend the nation, from all enemies, foreign or a tyrannical domestic government. So the purpose of the 2A is for citizens to have military-grade weapons.

It's not "reasonable" people that think that AR-15s should be banned. It's ignorant people who think so. It's people who have no clue what the purpose of the 2A is. Or people who do recognize that purpose, but who are opposed to our God-given right to self defense.

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Look, you think Buffalo was fake. So all these guys lining up behind you....just know what you're siding with here.

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Blah blah blah. So you can't address the substance of my argument, and you therefore resort to changing the subject, and engaging in an attempted "smear by association" tactic.

You have LOST the argument.

Your insinuation that the purpose of the Second Amendment is to "hunt squirrels" is 100% complete and total horse ****. Nothing but lies, as usual.

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It's all the left does. When they can't dispute or disprove the facts they question the sources.

I posted statistics from the official FBI website and the lefty contingent said they were from "right wing twitter!"

These people and their comrade brethren are why President Trump was elected and why they will be getting their just deserts in November.

As far as Chem goes…. He's very similar to Sleepy Joe. Whenever he's talking he's proving he isn't working with a lot.

Crayons and windows.

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but we need them to hunt squirrels at 18 yo.

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Despite what LIES that far Left communist yahoos are spouting these days, the purpose of the Second Amendment was never to hunt squirrels or deer.

The purpose is right there in the plain language of the text...because a "militia is necessary for the security of the state" (paraphrasing). A militia. An army. To defend the nation...against other armies or governments. Meaning people need to be armed with military-grade weaponry.

Can communists read? Do Leftist communist dupes just expect us to believe their ridiculous lies?

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A well regulated militia. I think that means we should do more regulating of it, don't you?

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that's not what you think it means. It's also the argument that was rejected in the Heller decision

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Question Hokie.....do you think the most likely compromise (raising age of AR purchases) should be pursued?

(of course, the focus right now is 18 yo becausee the last two were 18, but the majority who conducted these active shooter situations in 2021 were 30+ years old).

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No, I do not think that is the most likely compromise. I think the most likely compromise is a waiting period for ages 18-21. I think that's the best possible outcome.

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Everyone at school knew about Annabell and Xavier, Gallegos said -- even their teacher, Arnulfo Reyes.

Annabell Guadalupe Rodriguez and Xavier Lopez were schoolmates and sweethearts.
Courtesy Monica Gallegos

Reyes, who is still recovering from his own gunshot wounds, lost all 11 of his students in room 111 on the day of the shooting, including Xavier and Annabell.[url=https://goodmorningamerica.com/news/story/cowards-teacher-survived-uvalde-shooting-slams-police-response-85219697][/url]

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https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/News/im-ready-uvalde-victims-texted-love-buried/story?id=85208670

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And I think you miss the point. BBW is only doing what he does best....flood the site with crappy misleading posts to detract and obfuscate. If there a kernel of truth, its usually an accident. Handguns were not part of the debate, here, and for the most part on the national level.

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And of all homicides involving guns, handguns are used in over 95% of those homicides. And rifles are only used in around 450 homicides per year, around 2% of all homicides involving guns.

And so the Marxist Left is OBSESSED with banning AR-15s and semi-automatic rifles. Why? Because it supports their communist agenda to prevent the public from being able to resist the tyrannical government they are establishing.

Why isn't the Marxist Left concerned about handguns, which are used in over 95% of murders involving guns? Because the Marxist Left has never cared about human life, or "cared about the children". Look at abortion. They CELEBRATE the mass murder of millions of children.

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Orrrr, maybe because the killings hit closer to home and many reasonable people just look at ARs as unnecessary moreso than handguns?

This discussion should have nothing to do with abortion. I want babies to be born too (I'm actually an adoptive parent). But I also don't want kids and teachers getting shot up in schools.

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"Reasonable" people. "Reasonable" gun control. Yada yada

Always parroting the talking points that the DNC and communist Lamestream media are putting out.

As discussed in depth earlier in this thread, the entire purpose of the Second Amendment is to equip a "civilian army" that can defend the nation, from all enemies, foreign or a tyrannical domestic government. So the purpose of the 2A is for citizens to have military-grade weapons.

It's not "reasonable" people that think that AR-15s should be banned. It's ignorant people who think so. It's people who have no clue what the purpose of the 2A is. Or people who do recognize that purpose, but who are opposed to our God-given right to self defense.

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Look, you think Buffalo was fake. So all these guys lining up behind you....just know what you're siding with here.

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Blah blah blah. So you can't address the substance of my argument, and you therefore resort to changing the subject, and engaging in an attempted "smear by association" tactic.

You have LOST the argument.

Your insinuation that the purpose of the Second Amendment is to "hunt squirrels" is 100% complete and total horse ****. Nothing but lies, as usual.

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Ive never said that about 2nd amendment -- people should be able to have guns. Only about ARs. They aren't to hunt ,even though one of the guys here swears they are great for hunting. They are to kill and inflcit mass damage

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but we need them to hunt squirrels at 18 yo.

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Despite what LIES that far Left communist yahoos are spouting these days, the purpose of the Second Amendment was never to hunt squirrels or deer.

The purpose is right there in the plain language of the text...because a "militia is necessary for the security of the state" (paraphrasing). A militia. An army. To defend the nation...against other armies or governments. Meaning people need to be armed with military-grade weaponry.

Can communists read? Do Leftist communist dupes just expect us to believe their ridiculous lies?

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A well regulated militia. I think that means we should do more regulating of it, don't you?

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that's not what you think it means. It's also the argument that was rejected in the Heller decision

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Question Hokie.....do you think the most likely compromise (raising age of AR purchases) should be pursued?

(of course, the focus right now is 18 yo becausee the last two were 18, but the majority who conducted these active shooter situations in 2021 were 30+ years old).

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No, I do not think that is the most likely compromise. I think the most likely compromise is a waiting period for ages 18-21. I think that's the best possible outcome.

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waiting periods....why not for all ages then? Its not impacting your right even as a 50 year old, why not a waiting period for all?
again, for all the focus on 18 yos, older people sure do like to shoot up people and buildings.

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Dr. Roy Guerrero, a pediatrician in Uvalde, Texas, described to Congress the horrors he saw in an emergency room after the massacre, including children "pulverized" and "decapitated" by bullets.

"Those mothers' cries, I will never get out of my head." https://t.co/nesUOoDBE2

— The New York Times (@nytimes) June 8, 2022

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but we need them to hunt squirrels at 18 yo.

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Trolling attention ***** post right here. And this poster talks about having reasonable debate. Lol.

The guy was in there an hour. He could have had a baseball bat and inflicted the same damage. But we want to virtue signal on a message board to show we "care".

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Why don't attackers choose baseball bats, or knives, or acid, or any other weapon you can think of when they're looking to kill kids in schools?

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I want to place this one right here for all the idiots on the board…

https://www.foxnews.com/world/frances-truck-attack-marks-deadly-twist-in-european-terror

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And I think you miss the point. BBW is only doing what he does best....flood the site with crappy misleading posts to detract and obfuscate. If there a kernel of truth, its usually an accident. Handguns were not part of the debate, here, and for the most part on the national level.

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And of all homicides involving guns, handguns are used in over 95% of those homicides. And rifles are only used in around 450 homicides per year, around 2% of all homicides involving guns.

And so the Marxist Left is OBSESSED with banning AR-15s and semi-automatic rifles. Why? Because it supports their communist agenda to prevent the public from being able to resist the tyrannical government they are establishing.

Why isn't the Marxist Left concerned about handguns, which are used in over 95% of murders involving guns? Because the Marxist Left has never cared about human life, or "cared about the children". Look at abortion. They CELEBRATE the mass murder of millions of children.

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Orrrr, maybe because the killings hit closer to home and many reasonable people just look at ARs as unnecessary moreso than handguns?

This discussion should have nothing to do with abortion. I want babies to be born too (I'm actually an adoptive parent). But I also don't want kids and teachers getting shot up in schools.

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"Reasonable" people. "Reasonable" gun control. Yada yada

Always parroting the talking points that the DNC and communist Lamestream media are putting out.

As discussed in depth earlier in this thread, the entire purpose of the Second Amendment is to equip a "civilian army" that can defend the nation, from all enemies, foreign or a tyrannical domestic government. So the purpose of the 2A is for citizens to have military-grade weapons.

It's not "reasonable" people that think that AR-15s should be banned. It's ignorant people who think so. It's people who have no clue what the purpose of the 2A is. Or people who do recognize that purpose, but who are opposed to our God-given right to self defense.

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Look, you think Buffalo was fake. So all these guys lining up behind you....just know what you're siding with here.

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Blah blah blah. So you can't address the substance of my argument, and you therefore resort to changing the subject, and engaging in an attempted "smear by association" tactic.

You have LOST the argument.

Your insinuation that the purpose of the Second Amendment is to "hunt squirrels" is 100% complete and total horse ****. Nothing but lies, as usual.

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It's all the left does. When they can't dispute or disprove the facts they question the sources.

I posted statistics from the official FBI website and the lefty contingent said they were from "right wing twitter!"

These people and their comrade brethren are why President Trump was elected and why they will be getting their just deserts in November.

As far as Chem goes…. He's very similar to Sleepy Joe. Whenever he's talking he's proving he isn't working with a lot.

Crayons and windows.

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Chem, honestly, I don't agree with BBW here about you; however, you have to admit, that's funny as hell…

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Dr. Roy Guerrero, a pediatrician in Uvalde, Texas, described to Congress the horrors he saw in an emergency room after the massacre, including children "pulverized" and "decapitated" by bullets.

"Those mothers' cries, I will never get out of my head." https://t.co/nesUOoDBE2

— The New York Times (@nytimes) June 8, 2022

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but we need them to hunt squirrels at 18 yo.

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Trolling attention ***** post right here. And this poster talks about having reasonable debate. Lol.

The guy was in there an hour. He could have had a baseball bat and inflicted the same damage. But we want to virtue signal on a message board to show we "care".

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Why don't attackers choose baseball bats, or knives, or acid, or any other weapon you can think of when they're looking to kill kids in schools?

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They do. You just don't "care" about those murders.

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LOL. Maybe you can play back the CNN / Fox News clips of the last several times someone has taken a baseball bat into the room to kill a bunch of kids. I mean, at least try to limit your stupid comments.

Interesting how folks have changed the focus here.....now it was the policmen's fault. Well sure, they were criminally atrocious. But they woudl not have mattered if a sick kid who just legally bought two ARs on the day after his 18th birthday (follow the laws, they say) hadn't walked itno a classroom and started shooting.

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Why would I do that? You've already proudly admitted multiple times on this thread that you don't "care" about murders that don't fit into your neat little outrage box. Hilarious you talking about stupid comments when you've literally contributed nothing to this thread except personal attacks and virtue signaling.

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because you threw out a stupid "whataboutism"....back it up?

And correct, no one cares about murders in inner city (except for a small sliver of people who are impacted by it directly). If anyone of ability to influence actually cared, things would already have been done. Instead, it just plods along, the same as it ever was. Are you disagreeing with this?

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Dr. Roy Guerrero, a pediatrician in Uvalde, Texas, described to Congress the horrors he saw in an emergency room after the massacre, including children "pulverized" and "decapitated" by bullets.

"Those mothers' cries, I will never get out of my head." https://t.co/nesUOoDBE2

— The New York Times (@nytimes) June 8, 2022

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but we need them to hunt squirrels at 18 yo.

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Trolling attention ***** post right here. And this poster talks about having reasonable debate. Lol.

The guy was in there an hour. He could have had a baseball bat and inflicted the same damage. But we want to virtue signal on a message board to show we "care".

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Why don't attackers choose baseball bats, or knives, or acid, or any other weapon you can think of when they're looking to kill kids in schools?

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They do. You just don't "care" about those murders.

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LOL. Maybe you can play back the CNN / Fox News clips of the last several times someone has taken a baseball bat into the room to kill a bunch of kids. I mean, at least try to limit your stupid comments.

Interesting how folks have changed the focus here.....now it was the policmen's fault. Well sure, they were criminally atrocious. But they woudl not have mattered if a sick kid who just legally bought two ARs on the day after his 18th birthday (follow the laws, they say) hadn't walked itno a classroom and started shooting.

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Why would I do that? You've already proudly admitted multiple times on this thread that you don't "care" about murders that don't fit into your neat little outrage box. Hilarious you talking about stupid comments when you've literally contributed nothing to this thread except personal attacks and virtue signaling.

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because you threw out a stupid "whataboutism"....back it up?

And correct, no one cares about murders in inner city (except for a small sliver of people who are impacted by it directly). If anyone of ability to influence actually cared, things would already have been done. Instead, it just plods along, the same as it ever was. Are you disagreeing with this?

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Ahh.. more "stupid" comments. If anyone has proven their lack of intelligence on this thread, it is you multiple times over.

I care about inner city murders. Too bad you don't. Says a lot.

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You totally are obsessed with me aren't you?

I point out the facts with proof and you argue over semantics of a meme?

Shows you really care about the numbers of blacks being killed by blacks on a daily basis doesn't it?

As far as the quote goes as many say it was from Jefferson as they do that say he didn't. You rely on your lefty news outlets and I'll rely on mine. No one can definitively prove that he did/did not say it. Regardless, it's the damn truth whoever said it.

Now instead of worrying about the wording of the meme why don't you address the subject matter? Or does that invade your "safe space?"

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Not the semantics of a meme.

The totality of a meme. That you were grandstanding about and inviting everyone who'd listen to fact-check.

Just say the meme was complete bull**** and be done with it.

But you won't do that. Instead you'll keep obstructing reasonable conversation about abortion, gun control, or school shootings with more "whatabout-isms" about gang violence.

Stop getting your news from social media memes.

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Civ, I think you may be missing the point from BBW (yes, I'm speaking for him; however, unsolicited)...

I believe everyone, on here, sees the mass media covered shooting, as horrific. The point, I believe, BBW is trying to make is regarding the inconsistencies in reporting on all mass shootings; or, for that matter murders, in general.

So, murders, whether done by white people, brown people, or black people, on either white people, brown people, or black people are equally tragic and sickening.

I would hope people would understand that pro 2nd amendment advocates see each of these murders equally sad. No more or less sad than maybe you see them. That said, pro 2nd amendment folks also see the narrative about guns as concocted when it looks as if it feels right for certain people.

If one cares about unnecessary death, then, shouldn't they feel that way all the time?

I think the above question is really all this is about when people show different statistics, whether one agrees with the statistics or not...

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And I think you miss the point. BBW is only doing what he does best....flood the site with crappy misleading posts to detract and obfuscate. If there a kernel of truth, its usually an accident. Handguns were not part of the debate, here, and for the most part on the national level.

Second, and maybe more at point -- the shootings in Uvalde and Buffalo are completely unrelated and not even comparable to the nightly killings in inner city crime areas....and I think anyone with half a brain knows this. They have nothing to do with each other.

That person with half a brain also know why the coverage is different. Same reason as why if a pedestrian gets struck walking in a poor neighborhood, it gets zero coverage, but if the person is in Ballantyne, it would leave the news coverage for multiple episodes. So when every day poor crime-riddled kill other poor crime-riddled people, it doesn't move the meter. But shoot a bunch of kids in a neigbhorhood that isn't that far removed from yours or mine.....thats a different story altogether. And I know you know that, we all are smart enough to understand that.
And its never an issue for any of us....until someone wants to just be a jack and throw the topic offline and post about it in every post they make. (Its clear too his comments want to make it a black person issue as he continually points out "that one demographic" lol).

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Chem, I get it… people are tired of BBW. That said, I don't really think I've missed the point at all. In my eyes, a homicide is a homicide. Whether it's one person or a group of people being killed. It's awful!

Also, let's not pretend the media doesn't want viewers and will do anything for them. So, making a big story out of the Texas massacre gets more attention/viewers than an unfortunate thug on Bloodworth street, in Raleigh.

Would that be called racism?

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Dr. Roy Guerrero, a pediatrician in Uvalde, Texas, described to Congress the horrors he saw in an emergency room after the massacre, including children "pulverized" and "decapitated" by bullets.

"Those mothers' cries, I will never get out of my head." https://t.co/nesUOoDBE2

— The New York Times (@nytimes) June 8, 2022

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but we need them to hunt squirrels at 18 yo.

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Trolling attention ***** post right here. And this poster talks about having reasonable debate. Lol.

The guy was in there an hour. He could have had a baseball bat and inflicted the same damage. But we want to virtue signal on a message board to show we "care".

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Why don't attackers choose baseball bats, or knives, or acid, or any other weapon you can think of when they're looking to kill kids in schools?

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They do. You just don't "care" about those murders.

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LOL. Maybe you can play back the CNN / Fox News clips of the last several times someone has taken a baseball bat into the room to kill a bunch of kids. I mean, at least try to limit your stupid comments.

Interesting how folks have changed the focus here.....now it was the policmen's fault. Well sure, they were criminally atrocious. But they woudl not have mattered if a sick kid who just legally bought two ARs on the day after his 18th birthday (follow the laws, they say) hadn't walked itno a classroom and started shooting.

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Why would I do that? You've already proudly admitted multiple times on this thread that you don't "care" about murders that don't fit into your neat little outrage box. Hilarious you talking about stupid comments when you've literally contributed nothing to this thread except personal attacks and virtue signaling.

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because you threw out a stupid "whataboutism"....back it up?

And correct, no one cares about murders in inner city (except for a small sliver of people who are impacted by it directly). If anyone of ability to influence actually cared, things would already have been done. Instead, it just plods along, the same as it ever was. Are you disagreeing with this?

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Chem, I agree… it does just plod along. I do what I can for inner city kids. I can't make the young women shut their legs. I can't make the young men quit pushing themselves on young women. I can't help a lot that's wrong in that community. I wish the so-called representative's of that community would address the real problem.

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And I think you miss the point. BBW is only doing what he does best....flood the site with crappy misleading posts to detract and obfuscate. If there a kernel of truth, its usually an accident. Handguns were not part of the debate, here, and for the most part on the national level.

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And of all homicides involving guns, handguns are used in over 95% of those homicides. And rifles are only used in around 450 homicides per year, around 2% of all homicides involving guns.

And so the Marxist Left is OBSESSED with banning AR-15s and semi-automatic rifles. Why? Because it supports their communist agenda to prevent the public from being able to resist the tyrannical government they are establishing.

Why isn't the Marxist Left concerned about handguns, which are used in over 95% of murders involving guns? Because the Marxist Left has never cared about human life, or "cared about the children". Look at abortion. They CELEBRATE the mass murder of millions of children.

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Orrrr, maybe because the killings hit closer to home and many reasonable people just look at ARs as unnecessary moreso than handguns?

This discussion should have nothing to do with abortion. I want babies to be born too (I'm actually an adoptive parent). But I also don't want kids and teachers getting shot up in schools.

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"Reasonable" people. "Reasonable" gun control. Yada yada

Always parroting the talking points that the DNC and communist Lamestream media are putting out.

As discussed in depth earlier in this thread, the entire purpose of the Second Amendment is to equip a "civilian army" that can defend the nation, from all enemies, foreign or a tyrannical domestic government. So the purpose of the 2A is for citizens to have military-grade weapons.

It's not "reasonable" people that think that AR-15s should be banned. It's ignorant people who think so. It's people who have no clue what the purpose of the 2A is. Or people who do recognize that purpose, but who are opposed to our God-given right to self defense.

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Look, you think Buffalo was fake. So all these guys lining up behind you....just know what you're siding with here.

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Blah blah blah. So you can't address the substance of my argument, and you therefore resort to changing the subject, and engaging in an attempted "smear by association" tactic.

You have LOST the argument.

Your insinuation that the purpose of the Second Amendment is to "hunt squirrels" is 100% complete and total horse ****. Nothing but lies, as usual.

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Ive never said that about 2nd amendment -- people should be able to have guns. Only about ARs. They aren't to hunt ,even though one of the guys here swears they are great for hunting. They are to kill and inflcit mass damage

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Once again, the entire purpose of the 2A is to have a civilian army (with military-grade weaponry) to protect the nation, from all enemies whether foreign or domestic.

Under the 2A, the entire purpose of having guns is so that the guns can kill people. That's what armies or "militias" do.

And AR-15s are good for hunting. Look up the videos on YouTube of people hunting wild hogs or coyotes with AR-15s.

Nothing says I know nothing about guns more than saying only certain guns are "to kill and inflict mass damage."

A hundred and twelve years ago, in 1907...our great grandparents were first able to buy the rifle pictured. The semi-auto Winchester Model 1907.
This is a gun they could buy from a Sears catalogue and have delivered via US Post. It was/ is a semi-automatic, high powered centerfire rifle, with detachable, high capacity magazine.
About 400,000 semi-automatic rifles were produced before WW2. Civilians had hundreds of thousands of these for 40 years, while US soldiers were still being issued old fashioned bolt action rifles.
The 1907 fired just as fast as an AR15 or AK47 and the bullet (.351 Winchester) was actually larger than those fired by the more modern looking weapons..
The ONLY functional difference between the 1907 and a controversial and much feared AR15 is the modern black plastic stock.

The semi auto, so-called "assault rifle" is 110 years old. It isnt new in any way.
The semi auto rifle was not a weapon of war. The government MADE IT a weapon of war 40 years after civilians had them.
The semi-auto can be safely owned by civilians. The proof is that literally 3 generations of adults owned and used them responsibly and no one ever even noticed.
Want to fix the horror of mass shootings? Fix the things that have changed for the worse in the last 50 years. Family Values, Prayer from Schools, Ten Commandments from court houses, Spanking Kids, Morals, What is socially acceptable, Confusion on Genders, Left Wing Liberalism, Socialism, etc.

Cause the rifle technology in question was here long before this insanity. GOD SAVE THE USA.

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The semi-auto can be safely owned by civilians. The proof is that literally 3 generations of adults owned and used them responsibly and no one ever even noticed.
Want to fix the horror of mass shootings? Fix the things that have changed for the worse in the last 50 years. Family Values, Prayer from Schools, Ten Commandments from court houses, Spanking Kids, Morals, What is socially acceptable, Confusion on Genders, Left Wing Liberalism, Socialism, etc.

Cause the rifle technology in question was here long before this insanity. GOD SAVE THE USA.

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EXACTLY

We've had citizens armed to the teeth in this country for the last 250 years. The United States currently does NOT have a "crisis" of gun homicides. We have a relatively low homicide rate compared to the rest of the world. The homicide rate has certainly increased over the last 30-40 years, but not to a level of a "crisis". But what has changed in the last 30-40 years or so to cause this increase in the homicide rate? It's not the prevalence of guns. It's the type of people in the society, and the culture and the beliefs/values/immorality of those people.

We have a sick, depraved atheistic, Marxist-run culture in America. It is a culture that does not value human life. It says that you can murder your unborn child up to the moment of birth, just because the child is an "inconvenience" to the mother. It says that "God does not exist" and that human beings are not made in the image of God, but are nothing more than "evolved monkeys that came into existence by random chance after a big bang", and that human beings are not special and don't have a soul...but are "just a bunch of chemicals".

Anybody remember what happened in 1973, that corresponds to our culture and society starting the descent into the Sodomite Marxist transgender insanity unborn baby-murdering hell that it is now?

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And I think you miss the point. BBW is only doing what he does best....flood the site with crappy misleading posts to detract and obfuscate. If there a kernel of truth, its usually an accident. Handguns were not part of the debate, here, and for the most part on the national level.

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And of all homicides involving guns, handguns are used in over 95% of those homicides. And rifles are only used in around 450 homicides per year, around 2% of all homicides involving guns.

And so the Marxist Left is OBSESSED with banning AR-15s and semi-automatic rifles. Why? Because it supports their communist agenda to prevent the public from being able to resist the tyrannical government they are establishing.

Why isn't the Marxist Left concerned about handguns, which are used in over 95% of murders involving guns? Because the Marxist Left has never cared about human life, or "cared about the children". Look at abortion. They CELEBRATE the mass murder of millions of children.

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Orrrr, maybe because the killings hit closer to home and many reasonable people just look at ARs as unnecessary moreso than handguns?

This discussion should have nothing to do with abortion. I want babies to be born too (I'm actually an adoptive parent). But I also don't want kids and teachers getting shot up in schools.

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"Reasonable" people. "Reasonable" gun control. Yada yada

Always parroting the talking points that the DNC and communist Lamestream media are putting out.

As discussed in depth earlier in this thread, the entire purpose of the Second Amendment is to equip a "civilian army" that can defend the nation, from all enemies, foreign or a tyrannical domestic government. So the purpose of the 2A is for citizens to have military-grade weapons.

It's not "reasonable" people that think that AR-15s should be banned. It's ignorant people who think so. It's people who have no clue what the purpose of the 2A is. Or people who do recognize that purpose, but who are opposed to our God-given right to self defense.

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Look, you think Buffalo was fake. So all these guys lining up behind you....just know what you're siding with here.

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Blah blah blah. So you can't address the substance of my argument, and you therefore resort to changing the subject, and engaging in an attempted "smear by association" tactic.

You have LOST the argument.

Your insinuation that the purpose of the Second Amendment is to "hunt squirrels" is 100% complete and total horse ****. Nothing but lies, as usual.

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Ive never said that about 2nd amendment -- people should be able to have guns. Only about ARs. They aren't to hunt ,even though one of the guys here swears they are great for hunting. They are to kill and inflcit mass damage

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They're only meant for that if those are the intentions of the person pulling the trigger.

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I want to place this one right here for all the idiots on the board…

https://www.foxnews.com/world/frances-truck-attack-marks-deadly-twist-in-european-terror

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I want to place this one right here for all the idiots on the board…

https://www.foxnews.com/world/frances-truck-attack-marks-deadly-twist-in-european-terror

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Well, it worked earlier. And, it's not working now…

It was the story about the guy, in Europe, that took the dump truck and ran it through a bunch of people and killed 84.

I just found this link real quick:

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5j2ahl

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Dr. Roy Guerrero, a pediatrician in Uvalde, Texas, described to Congress the horrors he saw in an emergency room after the massacre, including children "pulverized" and "decapitated" by bullets.

"Those mothers' cries, I will never get out of my head." https://t.co/nesUOoDBE2

— The New York Times (@nytimes) June 8, 2022

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but we need them to hunt squirrels at 18 yo.

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Trolling attention ***** post right here. And this poster talks about having reasonable debate. Lol.

The guy was in there an hour. He could have had a baseball bat and inflicted the same damage. But we want to virtue signal on a message board to show we "care".

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Why don't attackers choose baseball bats, or knives, or acid, or any other weapon you can think of when they're looking to kill kids in schools?

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They do. You just don't "care" about those murders.

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LOL. Maybe you can play back the CNN / Fox News clips of the last several times someone has taken a baseball bat into the room to kill a bunch of kids. I mean, at least try to limit your stupid comments.

Interesting how folks have changed the focus here.....now it was the policmen's fault. Well sure, they were criminally atrocious. But they woudl not have mattered if a sick kid who just legally bought two ARs on the day after his 18th birthday (follow the laws, they say) hadn't walked itno a classroom and started shooting.

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Why would I do that? You've already proudly admitted multiple times on this thread that you don't "care" about murders that don't fit into your neat little outrage box. Hilarious you talking about stupid comments when you've literally contributed nothing to this thread except personal attacks and virtue signaling.

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because you threw out a stupid "whataboutism"....back it up?

And correct, no one cares about murders in inner city (except for a small sliver of people who are impacted by it directly). If anyone of ability to influence actually cared, things would already have been done. Instead, it just plods along, the same as it ever was. Are you disagreeing with this?

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Ahh.. more "stupid" comments. If anyone has proven their lack of intelligence on this thread, it is you multiple times over.

I care about inner city murders. Too bad you don't. Says a lot.

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You totally are obsessed with me aren't you?

I point out the facts with proof and you argue over semantics of a meme?

Shows you really care about the numbers of blacks being killed by blacks on a daily basis doesn't it?

As far as the quote goes as many say it was from Jefferson as they do that say he didn't. You rely on your lefty news outlets and I'll rely on mine. No one can definitively prove that he did/did not say it. Regardless, it's the damn truth whoever said it.

Now instead of worrying about the wording of the meme why don't you address the subject matter? Or does that invade your "safe space?"

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Not the semantics of a meme.

The totality of a meme. That you were grandstanding about and inviting everyone who'd listen to fact-check.

Just say the meme was complete bull**** and be done with it.

But you won't do that. Instead you'll keep obstructing reasonable conversation about abortion, gun control, or school shootings with more "whatabout-isms" about gang violence.

Stop getting your news from social media memes.

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Civ, I think you may be missing the point from BBW (yes, I'm speaking for him; however, unsolicited)...

I believe everyone, on here, sees the mass media covered shooting, as horrific. The point, I believe, BBW is trying to make is regarding the inconsistencies in reporting on all mass shootings; or, for that matter murders, in general.

So, murders, whether done by white people, brown people, or black people, on either white people, brown people, or black people are equally tragic and sickening.

I would hope people would understand that pro 2nd amendment advocates see each of these murders equally sad. No more or less sad than maybe you see them. That said, pro 2nd amendment folks also see the narrative about guns as concocted when it looks as if it feels right for certain people.

If one cares about unnecessary death, then, shouldn't they feel that way all the time?

I think the above question is really all this is about when people show different statistics, whether one agrees with the statistics or not...

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And I think you miss the point. BBW is only doing what he does best....flood the site with crappy misleading posts to detract and obfuscate. If there a kernel of truth, its usually an accident. Handguns were not part of the debate, here, and for the most part on the national level.

Second, and maybe more at point -- the shootings in Uvalde and Buffalo are completely unrelated and not even comparable to the nightly killings in inner city crime areas....and I think anyone with half a brain knows this. They have nothing to do with each other.

That person with half a brain also know why the coverage is different. Same reason as why if a pedestrian gets struck walking in a poor neighborhood, it gets zero coverage, but if the person is in Ballantyne, it would leave the news coverage for multiple episodes. So when every day poor crime-riddled kill other poor crime-riddled people, it doesn't move the meter. But shoot a bunch of kids in a neigbhorhood that isn't that far removed from yours or mine.....thats a different story altogether. And I know you know that, we all are smart enough to understand that.
And its never an issue for any of us....until someone wants to just be a jack and throw the topic offline and post about it in every post they make. (Its clear too his comments want to make it a black person issue as he continually points out "that one demographic" lol).

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Chem, I get it… people are tired of BBW. That said, I don't really think I've missed the point at all. In my eyes, a homicide is a homicide. Whether it's one person or a group of people being killed. It's awful!

Also, let's not pretend the media doesn't want viewers and will do anything for them. So, making a big story out of the Texas massacre gets more attention/viewers than an unfortunate thug on Bloodworth street, in Raleigh.

Would that be called racism?

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Look, my entire point about the inner city murders is with a point of cynicism. Of course, someone cares. But outside the community, not enough. Every election, I rail against the Dems who suddenly start screaming about the poor inner city neighborhoods and how we have to do more, etc. Then they get elected, and do nothing. Zero. Until 4 years later.
But...we are ALL guilty of that. Most of the people getting killed are criminals. Involved in crime. Moving drugs. Part of gangs. So most people....I think its safe to say everyone on this board, and 99% of the country, kind of says "thats what happens when you live that lifestyle", and moves on. Basically, it is not us.
So yes, overkill of me to say "no one cares"...but in reality, it doesn't and won't, affect, so you just ignore it (global "you" here)

Contrast to a family taking their 80 yo matriarch to the local grocery like they have every Saturday for years. Or a bunch of kids showing up at school. Or the workers sitting at their desks in the office. Or the churchgoers going to church.
That is 180 degrees different. That is us. That is you. That hits close to home.

Is there a ratings angle from media. Sure. Is there a financial / what can you do for me angle from government -- absolutely. But ultimately, to each of us, we hear about another shooting in Hidden Valley (I was born in Hidden Valley, would not go into that place now), we just accept it and move on. Thats on all of us.

**Outside of Packgrad, who when not fighting against the man for trying to make him wear a mask, apparently also grieves over every inner city murder he hears tell of. I'm interested to learn what he's doing about it.

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caryking said:

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You totally are obsessed with me aren't you?

I point out the facts with proof and you argue over semantics of a meme?

Shows you really care about the numbers of blacks being killed by blacks on a daily basis doesn't it?

As far as the quote goes as many say it was from Jefferson as they do that say he didn't. You rely on your lefty news outlets and I'll rely on mine. No one can definitively prove that he did/did not say it. Regardless, it's the damn truth whoever said it.

Now instead of worrying about the wording of the meme why don't you address the subject matter? Or does that invade your "safe space?"

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Not the semantics of a meme.

The totality of a meme. That you were grandstanding about and inviting everyone who'd listen to fact-check.

Just say the meme was complete bull**** and be done with it.

But you won't do that. Instead you'll keep obstructing reasonable conversation about abortion, gun control, or school shootings with more "whatabout-isms" about gang violence.

Stop getting your news from social media memes.

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Civ, I think you may be missing the point from BBW (yes, I'm speaking for him; however, unsolicited)...

I believe everyone, on here, sees the mass media covered shooting, as horrific. The point, I believe, BBW is trying to make is regarding the inconsistencies in reporting on all mass shootings; or, for that matter murders, in general.

So, murders, whether done by white people, brown people, or black people, on either white people, brown people, or black people are equally tragic and sickening.

I would hope people would understand that pro 2nd amendment advocates see each of these murders equally sad. No more or less sad than maybe you see them. That said, pro 2nd amendment folks also see the narrative about guns as concocted when it looks as if it feels right for certain people.

If one cares about unnecessary death, then, shouldn't they feel that way all the time?

I think the above question is really all this is about when people show different statistics, whether one agrees with the statistics or not...

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And I think you miss the point. BBW is only doing what he does best....flood the site with crappy misleading posts to detract and obfuscate. If there a kernel of truth, its usually an accident. Handguns were not part of the debate, here, and for the most part on the national level.

Second, and maybe more at point -- the shootings in Uvalde and Buffalo are completely unrelated and not even comparable to the nightly killings in inner city crime areas....and I think anyone with half a brain knows this. They have nothing to do with each other.

That person with half a brain also know why the coverage is different. Same reason as why if a pedestrian gets struck walking in a poor neighborhood, it gets zero coverage, but if the person is in Ballantyne, it would leave the news coverage for multiple episodes. So when every day poor crime-riddled kill other poor crime-riddled people, it doesn't move the meter. But shoot a bunch of kids in a neigbhorhood that isn't that far removed from yours or mine.....thats a different story altogether. And I know you know that, we all are smart enough to understand that.
And its never an issue for any of us....until someone wants to just be a jack and throw the topic offline and post about it in every post they make. (Its clear too his comments want to make it a black person issue as he continually points out "that one demographic" lol).

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Chem, I get it… people are tired of BBW. That said, I don't really think I've missed the point at all. In my eyes, a homicide is a homicide. Whether it's one person or a group of people being killed. It's awful!

Also, let's not pretend the media doesn't want viewers and will do anything for them. So, making a big story out of the Texas massacre gets more attention/viewers than an unfortunate thug on Bloodworth street, in Raleigh.

Would that be called racism?

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Look, my entire point about the inner city murders is with a point of cynicism. Of course, someone cares. But outside the community, not enough. Every election, I rail against the Dems who suddenly start screaming about the poor inner city neighborhoods and how we have to do more, etc. Then they get elected, and do nothing. Zero. Until 4 years later.
But...we are ALL guilty of that. Most of the people getting killed are criminals. Involved in crime. Moving drugs. Part of gangs. So most people....I think its safe to say everyone on this board, and 99% of the country, kind of says "thats what happens when you live that lifestyle", and moves on. Basically, it is not us.
So yes, overkill of me to say "no one cares"...but in reality, it doesn't and won't, affect, so you just ignore it (global "you" here)

Contrast to a family taking their 80 yo matriarch to the local grocery like they have every Saturday for years. Or a bunch of kids showing up at school. Or the workers sitting at their desks in the office. Or the churchgoers going to church.
That is 180 degrees different. That is us. That is you. That hits close to home.

Is there a ratings angle from media. Sure. Is there a financial / what can you do for me angle from government -- absolutely. But ultimately, to each of us, we hear about another shooting in Hidden Valley (I was born in Hidden Valley, would not go into that place now), we just accept it and move on. Thats on all of us.

**Outside of Packgrad, who when not fighting against the man for trying to make him wear a mask, apparently also grieves over every inner city murder he hears tell of. I'm interested to learn what he's doing about it.

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Nice racist rant. You really put it out there. You don't care. "Most getting killed are criminals. Involved in crime. Moving drugs. Part of gangs."

I can only imagine the outrage and moderation if BBW or GW posted that.

Pro tip…. Your last little comment emphasizes how this is all virtue signaling for you. You're just in it to win a message board argument and hopefully get likes. Masks have nothing to do with this conversation.

What am I doing? Voting in elections. Volunteering.

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You totally are obsessed with me aren't you?

I point out the facts with proof and you argue over semantics of a meme?

Shows you really care about the numbers of blacks being killed by blacks on a daily basis doesn't it?

As far as the quote goes as many say it was from Jefferson as they do that say he didn't. You rely on your lefty news outlets and I'll rely on mine. No one can definitively prove that he did/did not say it. Regardless, it's the damn truth whoever said it.

Now instead of worrying about the wording of the meme why don't you address the subject matter? Or does that invade your "safe space?"

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Not the semantics of a meme.

The totality of a meme. That you were grandstanding about and inviting everyone who'd listen to fact-check.

Just say the meme was complete bull**** and be done with it.

But you won't do that. Instead you'll keep obstructing reasonable conversation about abortion, gun control, or school shootings with more "whatabout-isms" about gang violence.

Stop getting your news from social media memes.

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Civ, I think you may be missing the point from BBW (yes, I'm speaking for him; however, unsolicited)...

I believe everyone, on here, sees the mass media covered shooting, as horrific. The point, I believe, BBW is trying to make is regarding the inconsistencies in reporting on all mass shootings; or, for that matter murders, in general.

So, murders, whether done by white people, brown people, or black people, on either white people, brown people, or black people are equally tragic and sickening.

I would hope people would understand that pro 2nd amendment advocates see each of these murders equally sad. No more or less sad than maybe you see them. That said, pro 2nd amendment folks also see the narrative about guns as concocted when it looks as if it feels right for certain people.

If one cares about unnecessary death, then, shouldn't they feel that way all the time?

I think the above question is really all this is about when people show different statistics, whether one agrees with the statistics or not...

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And I think you miss the point. BBW is only doing what he does best....flood the site with crappy misleading posts to detract and obfuscate. If there a kernel of truth, its usually an accident. Handguns were not part of the debate, here, and for the most part on the national level.

Second, and maybe more at point -- the shootings in Uvalde and Buffalo are completely unrelated and not even comparable to the nightly killings in inner city crime areas....and I think anyone with half a brain knows this. They have nothing to do with each other.

That person with half a brain also know why the coverage is different. Same reason as why if a pedestrian gets struck walking in a poor neighborhood, it gets zero coverage, but if the person is in Ballantyne, it would leave the news coverage for multiple episodes. So when every day poor crime-riddled kill other poor crime-riddled people, it doesn't move the meter. But shoot a bunch of kids in a neigbhorhood that isn't that far removed from yours or mine.....thats a different story altogether. And I know you know that, we all are smart enough to understand that.
And its never an issue for any of us....until someone wants to just be a jack and throw the topic offline and post about it in every post they make. (Its clear too his comments want to make it a black person issue as he continually points out "that one demographic" lol).

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Chem, I get it… people are tired of BBW. That said, I don't really think I've missed the point at all. In my eyes, a homicide is a homicide. Whether it's one person or a group of people being killed. It's awful!

Also, let's not pretend the media doesn't want viewers and will do anything for them. So, making a big story out of the Texas massacre gets more attention/viewers than an unfortunate thug on Bloodworth street, in Raleigh.

Would that be called racism?

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Look, my entire point about the inner city murders is with a point of cynicism. Of course, someone cares. But outside the community, not enough. Every election, I rail against the Dems who suddenly start screaming about the poor inner city neighborhoods and how we have to do more, etc. Then they get elected, and do nothing. Zero. Until 4 years later.
But...we are ALL guilty of that. Most of the people getting killed are criminals. Involved in crime. Moving drugs. Part of gangs. So most people....I think its safe to say everyone on this board, and 99% of the country, kind of says "thats what happens when you live that lifestyle", and moves on. Basically, it is not us.
So yes, overkill of me to say "no one cares"...but in reality, it doesn't and won't, affect, so you just ignore it (global "you" here)

Contrast to a family taking their 80 yo matriarch to the local grocery like they have every Saturday for years. Or a bunch of kids showing up at school. Or the workers sitting at their desks in the office. Or the churchgoers going to church.
That is 180 degrees different. That is us. That is you. That hits close to home.

Is there a ratings angle from media. Sure. Is there a financial / what can you do for me angle from government -- absolutely. But ultimately, to each of us, we hear about another shooting in Hidden Valley (I was born in Hidden Valley, would not go into that place now), we just accept it and move on. Thats on all of us.

**Outside of Packgrad, who when not fighting against the man for trying to make him wear a mask, apparently also grieves over every inner city murder he hears tell of. I'm interested to learn what he's doing about it.

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Nice racist rant. You really put it out there. You don't care. "Most getting killed are criminals. Involved in crime. Moving drugs. Part of gangs."

I can only imagine the outrage and moderation if BBW or GW posted that.

Pro tip…. Your last little comment emphasizes how this is all virtue signaling for you. You're just in it to win a message board argument and hopefully get likes. Masks have nothing to do with this conversation.

What am I doing? Voting in elections. Volunteering.

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I don't think you understand the definition of some of the terms you use.
So you don't actually have anything to disagree with my points, you just don't like them.

Most inner city killings are exactly related to those things. Here's the difference between my commentary and BBW --- I'm not criticizing these people because they are black. He wants to divert from the discussion on ARs to go look at those bad black people who are committing crimes. I'm arguing that he just doesn't care about them. He only brings it up for whataboutism effect.

My point is -- that type of murder has been available for years to look at and discuss and try to do things to fix, and i don't see anyone jumping up and down about it. You started any threads in your history here to talk about it, and try to rationalize what can be done (I'm going to go out on a limb and say "no")?
But now, all the sudden, when everyone starts talking about all these active shooter incidents and proliferation with very little controls of ARs, guys are coming out of the woodwork to talk about inner city shootings. Why now??

**As for the last comment, of course masks have nothing to do with it....it was a joke about something you were very worked up about. If every American were as worked up about all the gun murders in this country as you and several others were about the horror of wearing a mask in a store, we'd probably see real action.

One person calls attention to inner city violence and how bad the statistics are, and one person says who gives a **** about them because it's been going on for years and isn't going to change. Which one is racist?

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One person calls attention to inner city violence and his bad the statistics are, and one person says who gives a **** about them because it's been going on for years and isn't going to change. Which one is racist?

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Lol. You can call me whatever you want.
Show me where you've started threads about the inner city crime and how to cure it (well, other than your comment about all the poor people just moving -did you appeal to your city councils to redone your community yet to accommodate that)?
Show me where folks like up to drop off flowers and stuffed animals and such at the site of these inner city killings?

Do you really think they get treated the same? By anyone?
It's really a simple question.

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One person calls attention to inner city violence and his bad the statistics are, and one person says who gives a **** about them because it's been going on for years and isn't going to change. Which one is racist?

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Lol. You can call me whatever you want.
Show me where you've started threads about the inner city crime and how to cure it (well, other than your comment about all the poor people just moving -did you appeal to your city councils to redone your community yet to accommodate that)?
Show me where folks like up to drop off flowers and stuffed animals and such at the site of these inner city killings?

Do you really think they get treated the same? By anyone?
It's really a simple question.

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Nope, I did about as much as you've done to make a change.

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But now, all the sudden, when everyone starts talking about all these active shooter incidents and proliferation with very little controls of ARs, guys are coming out of the woodwork to talk about inner city shootings.

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ARs are controlled exactly the same as every other semi-automatic weapon. The same lethality exists with semi-automatic weapons in handgun form as in rifle form. The reason inner city killings are mentioned is those locations usually already have the gun bans you prefer with no positive effect. Likewise, those locations are governed by Democrats who try to politicize gun control for hoped for gains in the election booth. Time and time again we see these methods don't help Democrats, but they continue to try the same failed policies.

People choosing to go out in a blaze of "glory" accomplish absolutely nothing. Their actions suck and we all wish they would limit the damage to no more than themselves. Unfortunately, the rest of the reactions are virtue signals that offer little more than making the signaler feel better.

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Steve Videtich said:

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One person calls attention to inner city violence and his bad the statistics are, and one person says who gives a **** about them because it's been going on for years and isn't going to change. Which one is racist?

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Lol. You can call me whatever you want.
Show me where you've started threads about the inner city crime and how to cure it (well, other than your comment about all the poor people just moving -did you appeal to your city councils to redone your community yet to accommodate that)?
Show me where folks like up to drop off flowers and stuffed animals and such at the site of these inner city killings?

Do you really think they get treated the same? By anyone?
It's really a simple question.

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Nope, I did about as much as you've done to make a change.

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Starting threads on IPS is a true barometer of change to Packchem.

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Steve Videtich said:

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One person calls attention to inner city violence and his bad the statistics are, and one person says who gives a **** about them because it's been going on for years and isn't going to change. Which one is racist?

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Lol. You can call me whatever you want.
Show me where you've started threads about the inner city crime and how to cure it (well, other than your comment about all the poor people just moving -did you appeal to your city councils to redone your community yet to accommodate that)?
Show me where folks like up to drop off flowers and stuffed animals and such at the site of these inner city killings?

Do you really think they get treated the same? By anyone?
It's really a simple question.

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Nope, I did about as much as you've done to make a change.

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Starting threads on IPS is a true barometer of change to Packchem.

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Steve Videtich said:

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One person calls attention to inner city violence and his bad the statistics are, and one person says who gives a **** about them because it's been going on for years and isn't going to change. Which one is racist?

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Lol. You can call me whatever you want.
Show me where you've started threads about the inner city crime and how to cure it (well, other than your comment about all the poor people just moving -did you appeal to your city councils to redone your community yet to accommodate that)?
Show me where folks like up to drop off flowers and stuffed animals and such at the site of these inner city killings?

Do you really think they get treated the same? By anyone?
It's really a simple question.

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Nope, I did about as much as you've done to make a change.

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Starting threads on IPS is a true barometer of change to Packchem.

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LOL, thats actually one. But never talking about something until it is a convenient whataboutism is not exactly an endorsement for your caring, either.

Chem you have made SEVERAL racists posts over the last few weeks. FACT. Don't ask me to post them because I could care less. I called you out for them numerous times. People saw them and so did you.

I took a portion of one of your recent posts and I am going to post it for everyone to see that hasn't. I'm guessing more people read what I post than what you do. You never post anything of any substance anyway and always play the victim/race card.

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And correct, no one cares about murders in inner city (except for a small sliver of people who are impacted by it directly). If anyone of ability to influence actually cared, things would already have been done. Instead, it just plods along, the same as it ever was. Are you disagreeing with this? - Packchem91 3:30 p.m. 6/8/2022

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Imagine one of the Conservative posters making the same comments. We would be vilified to no ends and rightfully so. You are saying that the lives of the people, mostly kids, who are killed are meaningless and not worth the trouble of discussing.

Pathetic isn't the word to describe this. If you were to say that in public whatever type of job you have, if you do have a job, you wouldn't for long.

Here are the reasons you don't want to address it

• In order to begin fixing it you have to admit there is a problem
• By admitting there is a problem you will be admitting that decades of left run cities are a failure and in disarray
• By admitting that you would be admitting that the very group the party depends on for winning elections has been left to die in the streets
• Showing attention to the problem would bring up the issue of what the hell took so long and why all of a sudden after 50+ years do you care now?
• Also grand standing every two years and placating to them only to leave them to die again the day after the election would be exposed for all to see
• The leaders, black, white, Hispanic or whatever would also be exposed as failures because they were in charge for decades and did NOTHING

You see where this is going? You and your lefty brethren can't address the issue because you are completely responsible for the issue and have since its' inception.

Here are a few people who are complicit in the situation as well that very well could speak out against but don't.

• Barrack Hussein Obama - former Senator of Illinois, former POTUS - Illinois
• Kamala Harris - Former DA/Senator, current VPOTUS - California
• Cory Booker - Senate Member - New Jersey
• James Clyburn - 3rd Ranking Member of the House of Rep. since 1993 - South Carolina
• Maxine Waters - House of Rep. Member since 1991 - California
• Eddie Bernice Johnson - House of Rep Member since 1993 - TX
• Sanford Bishop - House of Rep. member since 1993 GA
• Shelia Jackson Lee - House of Rep. member since 1995 TX
• Danny Davis - House of Rep. member since 1997 - Illinois

The rest of the list you can access here. It is not a "right wing propaganda site" or meme like you and your lefty brigade accuse me of only posting. I post articles, news clips and the occasional funny as hell meme or one with statistics.

https://cbc.house.gov/membership/

Oh... I forgot to list the mayors of the cities that are victimized nightly.... Why don't you look those up and get back to me.

Look forward to hearing your well thought out and factual response.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/house-votes-to-increase-semi-automatic-rifle-purchase-age-to-21/

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On Wednesday, as part of a slate of bills aimed at curbing mass shootings and gun violence, the House voted to increase the age required to purchase a semi-automatic rifle from 18 to 21.

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Steve Videtich said:

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One person calls attention to inner city violence and his bad the statistics are, and one person says who gives a **** about them because it's been going on for years and isn't going to change. Which one is racist?

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Lol. You can call me whatever you want.
Show me where you've started threads about the inner city crime and how to cure it (well, other than your comment about all the poor people just moving -did you appeal to your city councils to redone your community yet to accommodate that)?
Show me where folks like up to drop off flowers and stuffed animals and such at the site of these inner city killings?

Do you really think they get treated the same? By anyone?
It's really a simple question.

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Nope, I did about as much as you've done to make a change.

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EXACTLY my point, thank you. No one does anything....why? Because no one really cares. You can deny it, you can dress it up, but I can't come up with any other reasoning, can you?

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https://www.nationalreview.com/news/house-votes-to-increase-semi-automatic-rifle-purchase-age-to-21/

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On Wednesday, as part of a slate of bills aimed at curbing mass shootings and gun violence, the House voted to increase the age required to purchase a semi-automatic rifle from 18 to 21.

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And they were only going to remove the statues of the Confederacy. You can't give an inch to those people.

That bill is probably filled with pork... more money for Ukraine, more money for the arts, more money for the Ice Cream Queen's esplanade etc.... remember... they can "read it after it is passed...."

The lefties have told us what their end game is. Starting in November we need to let them know they aren't turning this country into their MARXIST utopia that they long for.

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Chem you have made SEVERAL racists posts over the last few weeks. FACT. Don't ask me to post them because I could care less. I called you out for them numerous times. People saw them and so did you.

I took a portion of one of your recent posts and I am going to post it for everyone to see that hasn't. I'm guessing more people read what I post than what you do. You never post anything of any substance anyway and always play the victim/race card.

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And correct, no one cares about murders in inner city (except for a small sliver of people who are impacted by it directly). If anyone of ability to influence actually cared, things would already have been done. Instead, it just plods along, the same as it ever was. Are you disagreeing with this? - Packchem91 3:30 p.m. 6/8/2022

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Imagine one of the Conservative posters making the same comments. We would be vilified to no ends and rightfully so. You are saying that the lives of the people, mostly kids, who are killed are meaningless and not worth the trouble of discussing.

Pathetic isn't the word to describe this. If you were to say that in public whatever type of job you have, if you do have a job, you wouldn't for long.

Here are the reasons you don't want to address it

• In order to begin fixing it you have to admit there is a problem
• By admitting there is a problem you will be admitting that decades of left run cities are a failure and in disarray
• By admitting that you would be admitting that the very group the party depends on for winning elections has been left to die in the streets
• Showing attention to the problem would bring up the issue of what the hell took so long and why all of a sudden after 50+ years do you care now?
• Also grand standing every two years and placating to them only to leave them to die again the day after the election would be exposed for all to see
• The leaders, black, white, Hispanic or whatever would also be exposed as failures because they were in charge for decades and did NOTHING

You see where this is going? You and your lefty brethren can't address the issue because you are completely responsible for the issue and have since its' inception.

Here are a few people who are complicit in the situation as well that very well could speak out against but don't.

• Barrack Hussein Obama - former Senator of Illinois, former POTUS - Illinois
• Kamala Harris - Former DA/Senator, current VPOTUS - California
• Cory Booker - Senate Member - New Jersey
• James Clyburn - 3rd Ranking Member of the House of Rep. since 1993 - South Carolina
• Maxine Waters - House of Rep. Member since 1991 - California
• Eddie Bernice Johnson - House of Rep Member since 1993 - TX
• Sanford Bishop - House of Rep. member since 1993 GA
• Shelia Jackson Lee - House of Rep. member since 1995 TX
• Danny Davis - House of Rep. member since 1997 - Illinois

The rest of the list you can access here. It is not a "right wing propaganda site" or meme like you and your lefty brigade accuse me of only posting. I post articles, news clips and the occasional funny as hell meme or one with statistics.

https://cbc.house.gov/membership/

Oh... I forgot to list the mayors of the cities that are victimized nightly.... Why don't you look those up and get back to me.

Look forward to hearing your well thought out and factual response.

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Yes I said that. Its true. You can keep showing it, as far as I'm concerned. Or you can try to prove me wrong. Its incredibly sad, but you'll not convince me that enough people care to do anything.


Versus this.
Poster 1. So many people are being killed by ARs. Why do people have such powerful weapons, especially so young and even if they have signs of being off kiltered?
Poster 2. Oh this is a good discussion....it fits a national topic that is very germane
Poster 3. Yeah, but I'm not sure its going to do much good, we've tried that.
Poster 4. Abortion, abortion, abortion.
Poster 5. But what about all those black people -- look at all the demos, if it weren't for all those black people, we'd be low crime. Black people are the fault. Oh, and its black leaders fault for not doing anything about their people.

LOL....if your supporters here don't look at that and thing, dayum, he is bad...then I don't know what to say. You should roll that line of thinking into some twitter argument. I'd enjoy watching you rolling out your "blame Obama for the ongoing crime" argument.

Heck, I ran my line of thinking past 3 black adults who work for me to make sure I wasn't smoking something....and they pretty much agreed, though with a bit of frustration.