BBW12OG said:

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I'll post this again. It's not a gun problem It's a culture who ignores the laws problem and gets away with it because they are the voting block of the left and the left has refused to do anything about it for decades. FACT.

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Despite the invitation to "Fact-check it," the posted graphic is, not surprisingly, long on assertions but short on any underlying definitions, assumptions, or data (or data sources) that would be needed to fact-check the assertions.

Nonetheless, the two main assertions:

1. The US has the third-highest murder rate in the world
2. If murders in five large US cities were excluded from the data then the US would drop to 189 of 193 in the world

appear to be false based on any publicly available data I could find. (This also isn't a new thing. I found fact check articles posted as far back as 2015. [1], [2])

As to the US world rank in murder rate, I didn't find any source that placed the US that high. Th UN [3] and the World Bank [4] produce reports on intentional homicides in countries around the world. I used the World Bank data, because it was easier to work with.

Based on countries with reported data from 1995-2018, the US ranked 73rd out of 187 with a rate of 4.96/100,000 population.

As to the change if certain cities were removed from the US data, one of the fact check articles [2] stated that those cities accounted for 1,568 out of 17,250 US homicides in 2017 (9.1%), and that excluding those cities would reduce the US rate by 7.73%. Applying that to the World Bank data would put the US at 77th in the World Bank data, not close to the bottom.

If the intention was to rank by raw numbers of intentional homicides, the US would certainly rank much higher just because of a much larger population than most other countries, but nothing I found would put the US as high as third. Removing the selected cities would still have a negligible effect on that rank.

The fact checking articles I found have links to other resources related to this topic.

Of course, if the original poster, or anyone else, has other data or information that makes these assertions anything close to true, I would be happy to learn more about it.

[1] https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/united-states-third-murders/
[2] https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/mar/28/viral-image/united-states-third-murders-outlier-cities/
[3] https://dataunodc.un.org/#state:0
[4] https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5?most_recent_value_desc=true&order=wbapi_data_value_2012+wbapi_data_value+wbapi_data_value-last&sort=desc

Great work Manny, thank you for taking the time.

Manny Sanguine said:

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BBW12OG said:

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I'll post this again. It's not a gun problem It's a culture who ignores the laws problem and gets away with it because they are the voting block of the left and the left has refused to do anything about it for decades. FACT.

---

Despite the invitation to "Fact-check it," the posted graphic is, not surprisingly, long on assertions but short on any underlying definitions, assumptions, or data (or data sources) that would be needed to fact-check the assertions.

Nonetheless, the two main assertions:

1. The US has the third-highest murder rate in the world
2. If murders in five large US cities were excluded from the data then the US would drop to 189 of 193 in the world

appear to be false based on any publicly available data I could find. (This also isn't a new thing. I found fact check articles posted as far back as 2015. [1], [2])

As to the US world rank in murder rate, I didn't find any source that placed the US that high. Th UN [3] and the World Bank [4] produce reports on intentional homicides in countries around the world. I used the World Bank data, because it was easier to work with.

Based on countries with reported data from 1995-2018, the US ranked 73rd out of 187 with a rate of 4.96/100,000 population.

As to the change if certain cities were removed from the US data, one of the fact check articles [2] stated that those cities accounted for 1,568 out of 17,250 US homicides in 2017 (9.1%), and that excluding those cities would reduce the US rate by 7.73%. Applying that to the World Bank data would put the US at 77th in the World Bank data, not close to the bottom.

If the intention was to rank by raw numbers of intentional homicides, the US would certainly rank much higher just because of a much larger population than most other countries, but nothing I found would put the US as high as third. Removing the selected cities would still have a negligible effect on that rank.

The fact checking articles I found have links to other resources related to this topic.

Of course, if the original poster, or anyone else, has other data or information that makes these assertions anything close to true, I would be happy to learn more about it.

[1] https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/united-states-third-murders/
[2] https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/mar/28/viral-image/united-states-third-murders-outlier-cities/
[3] https://dataunodc.un.org/#state:0
[4] https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5?most_recent_value_desc=true&order=wbapi_data_value_2012+wbapi_data_value+wbapi_data_value-last&sort=desc

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Rebuttal on this one? Can't see the forest for the trees can you? It's OK... Facts are facts. Your interpretation is as meaningless as anything from snopes or politifact considering they are looking at "outliers" instead of the actual FACTS.

Review these chief... where were your observations when these were posted? Huh??? Didn't have much to say then did you?

[url=https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/08/improved-race-ethnicity-measures-reveal-united-states-population-much-more-multiracial.html#:~:text=In%202020%2C%20the%20Black%20or,million%20and%2012.6%25%20in%202010.][/url]https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/08/improved-race-ethnicity-measures-reveal-united-states-population-much-more-multiracial.html#:~:text=In%202020%2C%20the%20Black%20or,million%20and%2012.6%25%20in%202010.

[url=https://www.everytown.org/issues/gun-violence-black-americans/][/url]https://www.everytown.org/issues/gun-violence-black-americans/

[url=https://www.maciverinstitute.com/2022/05/debunking-every-major-mass-shooting-myth/][/url]https://www.maciverinstitute.com/2022/05/debunking-every-major-mass-shooting-myth/

Here is the list of the "mass shootings" in 2022. Do your research and tell me what the percentages of each racial demographic in on them.

[url=https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting][/url]https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting

[url=https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/blm-removes-website-language-blasting-nuclear-family-structure/][/url]https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/blm-removes-website-language-blasting-nuclear-family-structure/

[url=https://www.heritage.org/marriage-and-family/commentary/black-families-matter][/url]https://www.heritage.org/marriage-and-family/commentary/black-families-matter

[url=https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/aug/28/ask-politifact-does-black-lives-matter-aim-destroy/][/url]https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/aug/28/ask-politifact-does-black-lives-matter-aim-destroy/

[url=https://fee.org/articles/black-lives-matter-s-goal-to-disrupt-the-nuclear-family-fits-a-marxist-aim-that-goes-back-a-century-and-a-half/][/url]https://fee.org/articles/black-lives-matter-s-goal-to-disrupt-the-nuclear-family-fits-a-marxist-aim-that-goes-back-a-century-and-a-half/

Now show me the stats on who/which demographic is responsible for a majority of "mass shootings" in the United States.

[url=https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls][/url]https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

[url=https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43][/url]https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43

[url=https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2][/url]https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2

Your reply is applauded however sad and wrong it may be. You should have went back and read through the thread... But hey, at least you have Civ schilling for you.... all you need now is the rest of the merry lefty brigade and you all can have a party.

Maybe hire some drag queens and bring your kids. I hear that' the thing to do in y'all's world these days!

BBW12OG said:

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Manny Sanguine said:

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BBW12OG said:

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I'll post this again. It's not a gun problem It's a culture who ignores the laws problem and gets away with it because they are the voting block of the left and the left has refused to do anything about it for decades. FACT.

---

Despite the invitation to "Fact-check it," the posted graphic is, not surprisingly, long on assertions but short on any underlying definitions, assumptions, or data (or data sources) that would be needed to fact-check the assertions.

Nonetheless, the two main assertions:

1. The US has the third-highest murder rate in the world
2. If murders in five large US cities were excluded from the data then the US would drop to 189 of 193 in the world

appear to be false based on any publicly available data I could find. (This also isn't a new thing. I found fact check articles posted as far back as 2015. [1], [2])

As to the US world rank in murder rate, I didn't find any source that placed the US that high. Th UN [3] and the World Bank [4] produce reports on intentional homicides in countries around the world. I used the World Bank data, because it was easier to work with.

Based on countries with reported data from 1995-2018, the US ranked 73rd out of 187 with a rate of 4.96/100,000 population.

As to the change if certain cities were removed from the US data, one of the fact check articles [2] stated that those cities accounted for 1,568 out of 17,250 US homicides in 2017 (9.1%), and that excluding those cities would reduce the US rate by 7.73%. Applying that to the World Bank data would put the US at 77th in the World Bank data, not close to the bottom.

If the intention was to rank by raw numbers of intentional homicides, the US would certainly rank much higher just because of a much larger population than most other countries, but nothing I found would put the US as high as third. Removing the selected cities would still have a negligible effect on that rank.

The fact checking articles I found have links to other resources related to this topic.

Of course, if the original poster, or anyone else, has other data or information that makes these assertions anything close to true, I would be happy to learn more about it.

[1] https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/united-states-third-murders/
[2] https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/mar/28/viral-image/united-states-third-murders-outlier-cities/
[3] https://dataunodc.un.org/#state:0
[4] https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5?most_recent_value_desc=true&order=wbapi_data_value_2012+wbapi_data_value+wbapi_data_value-last&sort=desc

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Rebuttal on this one? Can't see the forest for the trees can you? It's OK... Facts are facts. Your interpretation is as meaningless as anything from snopes or politifact considering they are looking at "outliers" instead of the actual FACTS.

Review these chief... where were your observations when these were posted? Huh??? Didn't have much to say then did you?

[url=https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/08/improved-race-ethnicity-measures-reveal-united-states-population-much-more-multiracial.html#:~:text=In%202020%2C%20the%20Black%20or,million%20and%2012.6%25%20in%202010.][/url]https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/08/improved-race-ethnicity-measures-reveal-united-states-population-much-more-multiracial.html#:~:text=In%202020%2C%20the%20Black%20or,million%20and%2012.6%25%20in%202010.

[url=https://www.everytown.org/issues/gun-violence-black-americans/][/url]https://www.everytown.org/issues/gun-violence-black-americans/

[url=https://www.maciverinstitute.com/2022/05/debunking-every-major-mass-shooting-myth/][/url]https://www.maciverinstitute.com/2022/05/debunking-every-major-mass-shooting-myth/

Here is the list of the "mass shootings" in 2022. Do your research and tell me what the percentages of each racial demographic in on them.

[url=https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting][/url]https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting

[url=https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/blm-removes-website-language-blasting-nuclear-family-structure/][/url]https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/blm-removes-website-language-blasting-nuclear-family-structure/

[url=https://www.heritage.org/marriage-and-family/commentary/black-families-matter][/url]https://www.heritage.org/marriage-and-family/commentary/black-families-matter

[url=https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/aug/28/ask-politifact-does-black-lives-matter-aim-destroy/][/url]https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/aug/28/ask-politifact-does-black-lives-matter-aim-destroy/

[url=https://fee.org/articles/black-lives-matter-s-goal-to-disrupt-the-nuclear-family-fits-a-marxist-aim-that-goes-back-a-century-and-a-half/][/url]https://fee.org/articles/black-lives-matter-s-goal-to-disrupt-the-nuclear-family-fits-a-marxist-aim-that-goes-back-a-century-and-a-half/

Now show me the stats on who/which demographic is responsible for a majority of "mass shootings" in the United States.

[url=https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls][/url]https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

[url=https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43][/url]https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43

[url=https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2][/url]https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2

Your reply is applauded however sad and wrong it may be. You should have went back and read through the thread... But hey, at least you have Civ schilling for you.... all you need now is the rest of the merry lefty brigade and you all can have a party.

Maybe hire some drag queens and bring your kids. I hear that' the thing to do in y'all's world these days!

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While I suppose I understand your impulse to try to broaden the very specific topic I was responding to, I really don't have any interest in engaging on your broader "culture war" rants. ("Drag queens"???)

You posted two very specific assertions of fact that seemed at least surprising, if not outright fishy, so I looked into them. They are both demonstrably false. If you have any specific information that supports either of those assertions, I'm happy to learn more. I don't see (and you don't bother to even try to explain) how things about shifting US ethnicity or mass shootings (either generally or through the lens of "race") lend support to either of your earlier assertions.

Again, if you have support for what you asserted then post it. I'm not going to bother with a response otherwise.

Manny Sanguine said:

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BBW12OG said:

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Manny Sanguine said:

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BBW12OG said:

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I'll post this again. It's not a gun problem It's a culture who ignores the laws problem and gets away with it because they are the voting block of the left and the left has refused to do anything about it for decades. FACT.

---

Despite the invitation to "Fact-check it," the posted graphic is, not surprisingly, long on assertions but short on any underlying definitions, assumptions, or data (or data sources) that would be needed to fact-check the assertions.

Nonetheless, the two main assertions:

1. The US has the third-highest murder rate in the world
2. If murders in five large US cities were excluded from the data then the US would drop to 189 of 193 in the world

appear to be false based on any publicly available data I could find. (This also isn't a new thing. I found fact check articles posted as far back as 2015. [1], [2])

As to the US world rank in murder rate, I didn't find any source that placed the US that high. Th UN [3] and the World Bank [4] produce reports on intentional homicides in countries around the world. I used the World Bank data, because it was easier to work with.

Based on countries with reported data from 1995-2018, the US ranked 73rd out of 187 with a rate of 4.96/100,000 population.

As to the change if certain cities were removed from the US data, one of the fact check articles [2] stated that those cities accounted for 1,568 out of 17,250 US homicides in 2017 (9.1%), and that excluding those cities would reduce the US rate by 7.73%. Applying that to the World Bank data would put the US at 77th in the World Bank data, not close to the bottom.

If the intention was to rank by raw numbers of intentional homicides, the US would certainly rank much higher just because of a much larger population than most other countries, but nothing I found would put the US as high as third. Removing the selected cities would still have a negligible effect on that rank.

The fact checking articles I found have links to other resources related to this topic.

Of course, if the original poster, or anyone else, has other data or information that makes these assertions anything close to true, I would be happy to learn more about it.

[1] https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/united-states-third-murders/
[2] https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/mar/28/viral-image/united-states-third-murders-outlier-cities/
[3] https://dataunodc.un.org/#state:0
[4] https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5?most_recent_value_desc=true&order=wbapi_data_value_2012+wbapi_data_value+wbapi_data_value-last&sort=desc

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Rebuttal on this one? Can't see the forest for the trees can you? It's OK... Facts are facts. Your interpretation is as meaningless as anything from snopes or politifact considering they are looking at "outliers" instead of the actual FACTS.

Review these chief... where were your observations when these were posted? Huh??? Didn't have much to say then did you?

[url=https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/08/improved-race-ethnicity-measures-reveal-united-states-population-much-more-multiracial.html#:~:text=In%202020%2C%20the%20Black%20or,million%20and%2012.6%25%20in%202010.][/url]https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/08/improved-race-ethnicity-measures-reveal-united-states-population-much-more-multiracial.html#:~:text=In%202020%2C%20the%20Black%20or,million%20and%2012.6%25%20in%202010.

[url=https://www.everytown.org/issues/gun-violence-black-americans/][/url]https://www.everytown.org/issues/gun-violence-black-americans/

[url=https://www.maciverinstitute.com/2022/05/debunking-every-major-mass-shooting-myth/][/url]https://www.maciverinstitute.com/2022/05/debunking-every-major-mass-shooting-myth/

Here is the list of the "mass shootings" in 2022. Do your research and tell me what the percentages of each racial demographic in on them.

[url=https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting][/url]https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting

[url=https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/blm-removes-website-language-blasting-nuclear-family-structure/][/url]https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/blm-removes-website-language-blasting-nuclear-family-structure/

[url=https://www.heritage.org/marriage-and-family/commentary/black-families-matter][/url]https://www.heritage.org/marriage-and-family/commentary/black-families-matter

[url=https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/aug/28/ask-politifact-does-black-lives-matter-aim-destroy/][/url]https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/aug/28/ask-politifact-does-black-lives-matter-aim-destroy/

[url=https://fee.org/articles/black-lives-matter-s-goal-to-disrupt-the-nuclear-family-fits-a-marxist-aim-that-goes-back-a-century-and-a-half/][/url]https://fee.org/articles/black-lives-matter-s-goal-to-disrupt-the-nuclear-family-fits-a-marxist-aim-that-goes-back-a-century-and-a-half/

Now show me the stats on who/which demographic is responsible for a majority of "mass shootings" in the United States.

[url=https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls][/url]https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

[url=https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43][/url]https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43

[url=https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2][/url]https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2

Your reply is applauded however sad and wrong it may be. You should have went back and read through the thread... But hey, at least you have Civ schilling for you.... all you need now is the rest of the merry lefty brigade and you all can have a party.

Maybe hire some drag queens and bring your kids. I hear that' the thing to do in y'all's world these days!

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While I suppose I understand your impulse to try to broaden the very specific topic I was responding to, I really don't have any interest in engaging on your broader "culture war" rants. ("Drag queens"???)

You posted two very specific assertions of fact that seemed at least surprising, if not outright fishy, so I looked into them. They are both demonstrably false. If you have any specific information that supports either of those assertions, I'm happy to learn more. I don't see (and you don't bother to even try to explain) how things about shifting US ethnicity or mass shootings (either generally or through the lens of "race") lend support to either of your earlier assertions.

Again, if you have support for what you asserted then post it. I'm not going to bother with a response otherwise.

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I didn't "assert" anything. I posted facts. I posted data. Your failure to read the facts and interpret the given data is par for the course for the left.

You said you couldn't "find" any data to support my statements. I provided it to you. Just because the data and charts don't follow your ideology doesn't mean they are wrong.

Following the typical blueprint of the left if you can't dispute or disprove the facts you attack the provider of them. Not one single fact or chart are you able to disprove. You just don't agree with them.

And no.. I don't expect you to get involved with the "cultural warfare" that you and your party rely on I find it laughable that you drop in with "hit and run" posts only to disappear when they are proven wrong, inadequate or just plain absurd.

Please... dispute the facts I posted. I'm waiting. Add this to the list of your homework. Got anything against Forbes or Statista there champ?

We need really strict gun laws like the ones in Democrat run cities so we'll all be safe.

Just like this? 👇 pic.twitter.com/CJTtbnUmlK

— Catturd ™ (@catturd2) June 6, 2022

Want to guess what demographic is responsible for over 80% of those?

Manny Sanguine said:

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BBW12OG said:

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Manny Sanguine said:

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BBW12OG said:

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I'll post this again. It's not a gun problem It's a culture who ignores the laws problem and gets away with it because they are the voting block of the left and the left has refused to do anything about it for decades. FACT.

---

Despite the invitation to "Fact-check it," the posted graphic is, not surprisingly, long on assertions but short on any underlying definitions, assumptions, or data (or data sources) that would be needed to fact-check the assertions.

Nonetheless, the two main assertions:

1. The US has the third-highest murder rate in the world
2. If murders in five large US cities were excluded from the data then the US would drop to 189 of 193 in the world

appear to be false based on any publicly available data I could find. (This also isn't a new thing. I found fact check articles posted as far back as 2015. [1], [2])

As to the US world rank in murder rate, I didn't find any source that placed the US that high. Th UN [3] and the World Bank [4] produce reports on intentional homicides in countries around the world. I used the World Bank data, because it was easier to work with.

Based on countries with reported data from 1995-2018, the US ranked 73rd out of 187 with a rate of 4.96/100,000 population.

As to the change if certain cities were removed from the US data, one of the fact check articles [2] stated that those cities accounted for 1,568 out of 17,250 US homicides in 2017 (9.1%), and that excluding those cities would reduce the US rate by 7.73%. Applying that to the World Bank data would put the US at 77th in the World Bank data, not close to the bottom.

If the intention was to rank by raw numbers of intentional homicides, the US would certainly rank much higher just because of a much larger population than most other countries, but nothing I found would put the US as high as third. Removing the selected cities would still have a negligible effect on that rank.

The fact checking articles I found have links to other resources related to this topic.

Of course, if the original poster, or anyone else, has other data or information that makes these assertions anything close to true, I would be happy to learn more about it.

[1] https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/united-states-third-murders/
[2] https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/mar/28/viral-image/united-states-third-murders-outlier-cities/
[3] https://dataunodc.un.org/#state:0
[4] https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5?most_recent_value_desc=true&order=wbapi_data_value_2012+wbapi_data_value+wbapi_data_value-last&sort=desc

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Rebuttal on this one? Can't see the forest for the trees can you? It's OK... Facts are facts. Your interpretation is as meaningless as anything from snopes or politifact considering they are looking at "outliers" instead of the actual FACTS.

Review these chief... where were your observations when these were posted? Huh??? Didn't have much to say then did you?

[url=https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/08/improved-race-ethnicity-measures-reveal-united-states-population-much-more-multiracial.html#:~:text=In%202020%2C%20the%20Black%20or,million%20and%2012.6%25%20in%202010.][/url]https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/08/improved-race-ethnicity-measures-reveal-united-states-population-much-more-multiracial.html#:~:text=In%202020%2C%20the%20Black%20or,million%20and%2012.6%25%20in%202010.

[url=https://www.everytown.org/issues/gun-violence-black-americans/][/url]https://www.everytown.org/issues/gun-violence-black-americans/

[url=https://www.maciverinstitute.com/2022/05/debunking-every-major-mass-shooting-myth/][/url]https://www.maciverinstitute.com/2022/05/debunking-every-major-mass-shooting-myth/

Here is the list of the "mass shootings" in 2022. Do your research and tell me what the percentages of each racial demographic in on them.

[url=https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting][/url]https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting

[url=https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/blm-removes-website-language-blasting-nuclear-family-structure/][/url]https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/blm-removes-website-language-blasting-nuclear-family-structure/

[url=https://www.heritage.org/marriage-and-family/commentary/black-families-matter][/url]https://www.heritage.org/marriage-and-family/commentary/black-families-matter

[url=https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/aug/28/ask-politifact-does-black-lives-matter-aim-destroy/][/url]https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/aug/28/ask-politifact-does-black-lives-matter-aim-destroy/

[url=https://fee.org/articles/black-lives-matter-s-goal-to-disrupt-the-nuclear-family-fits-a-marxist-aim-that-goes-back-a-century-and-a-half/][/url]https://fee.org/articles/black-lives-matter-s-goal-to-disrupt-the-nuclear-family-fits-a-marxist-aim-that-goes-back-a-century-and-a-half/

Now show me the stats on who/which demographic is responsible for a majority of "mass shootings" in the United States.

[url=https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls][/url]https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

[url=https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43][/url]https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43

[url=https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2][/url]https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2

Your reply is applauded however sad and wrong it may be. You should have went back and read through the thread... But hey, at least you have Civ schilling for you.... all you need now is the rest of the merry lefty brigade and you all can have a party.

Maybe hire some drag queens and bring your kids. I hear that' the thing to do in y'all's world these days!

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While I suppose I understand your impulse to try to broaden the very specific topic I was responding to, I really don't have any interest in engaging on your broader "culture war" rants. ("Drag queens"???)

You posted two very specific assertions of fact that seemed at least surprising, if not outright fishy, so I looked into them. They are both demonstrably false. If you have any specific information that supports either of those assertions, I'm happy to learn more. I don't see (and you don't bother to even try to explain) how things about shifting US ethnicity or mass shootings (either generally or through the lens of "race") lend support to either of your earlier assertions.

Again, if you have support for what you asserted then post it. I'm not going to bother with a response otherwise.

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Lets be clear...BBW wants this to be a "those black people" problem.

But his unimpeachable fact source of "cattturd" says it is...so, you know....

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Manny Sanguine said:

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BBW12OG said:

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Manny Sanguine said:

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BBW12OG said:

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I'll post this again. It's not a gun problem It's a culture who ignores the laws problem and gets away with it because they are the voting block of the left and the left has refused to do anything about it for decades. FACT.

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Despite the invitation to "Fact-check it," the posted graphic is, not surprisingly, long on assertions but short on any underlying definitions, assumptions, or data (or data sources) that would be needed to fact-check the assertions.

Nonetheless, the two main assertions:

1. The US has the third-highest murder rate in the world
2. If murders in five large US cities were excluded from the data then the US would drop to 189 of 193 in the world

appear to be false based on any publicly available data I could find. (This also isn't a new thing. I found fact check articles posted as far back as 2015. [1], [2])

As to the US world rank in murder rate, I didn't find any source that placed the US that high. Th UN [3] and the World Bank [4] produce reports on intentional homicides in countries around the world. I used the World Bank data, because it was easier to work with.

Based on countries with reported data from 1995-2018, the US ranked 73rd out of 187 with a rate of 4.96/100,000 population.

As to the change if certain cities were removed from the US data, one of the fact check articles [2] stated that those cities accounted for 1,568 out of 17,250 US homicides in 2017 (9.1%), and that excluding those cities would reduce the US rate by 7.73%. Applying that to the World Bank data would put the US at 77th in the World Bank data, not close to the bottom.

If the intention was to rank by raw numbers of intentional homicides, the US would certainly rank much higher just because of a much larger population than most other countries, but nothing I found would put the US as high as third. Removing the selected cities would still have a negligible effect on that rank.

The fact checking articles I found have links to other resources related to this topic.

Of course, if the original poster, or anyone else, has other data or information that makes these assertions anything close to true, I would be happy to learn more about it.

[1] https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/united-states-third-murders/
[2] https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/mar/28/viral-image/united-states-third-murders-outlier-cities/
[3] https://dataunodc.un.org/#state:0
[4] https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5?most_recent_value_desc=true&order=wbapi_data_value_2012+wbapi_data_value+wbapi_data_value-last&sort=desc

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Rebuttal on this one? Can't see the forest for the trees can you? It's OK... Facts are facts. Your interpretation is as meaningless as anything from snopes or politifact considering they are looking at "outliers" instead of the actual FACTS.

Review these chief... where were your observations when these were posted? Huh??? Didn't have much to say then did you?

[url=https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/08/improved-race-ethnicity-measures-reveal-united-states-population-much-more-multiracial.html#:~:text=In%202020%2C%20the%20Black%20or,million%20and%2012.6%25%20in%202010.][/url]https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/08/improved-race-ethnicity-measures-reveal-united-states-population-much-more-multiracial.html#:~:text=In%202020%2C%20the%20Black%20or,million%20and%2012.6%25%20in%202010.

[url=https://www.everytown.org/issues/gun-violence-black-americans/][/url]https://www.everytown.org/issues/gun-violence-black-americans/

[url=https://www.maciverinstitute.com/2022/05/debunking-every-major-mass-shooting-myth/][/url]https://www.maciverinstitute.com/2022/05/debunking-every-major-mass-shooting-myth/

Here is the list of the "mass shootings" in 2022. Do your research and tell me what the percentages of each racial demographic in on them.

[url=https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting][/url]https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting

[url=https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/blm-removes-website-language-blasting-nuclear-family-structure/][/url]https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/blm-removes-website-language-blasting-nuclear-family-structure/

[url=https://www.heritage.org/marriage-and-family/commentary/black-families-matter][/url]https://www.heritage.org/marriage-and-family/commentary/black-families-matter

[url=https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/aug/28/ask-politifact-does-black-lives-matter-aim-destroy/][/url]https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/aug/28/ask-politifact-does-black-lives-matter-aim-destroy/

[url=https://fee.org/articles/black-lives-matter-s-goal-to-disrupt-the-nuclear-family-fits-a-marxist-aim-that-goes-back-a-century-and-a-half/][/url]https://fee.org/articles/black-lives-matter-s-goal-to-disrupt-the-nuclear-family-fits-a-marxist-aim-that-goes-back-a-century-and-a-half/

Now show me the stats on who/which demographic is responsible for a majority of "mass shootings" in the United States.

[url=https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls][/url]https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

[url=https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43][/url]https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43

[url=https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2][/url]https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2

Your reply is applauded however sad and wrong it may be. You should have went back and read through the thread... But hey, at least you have Civ schilling for you.... all you need now is the rest of the merry lefty brigade and you all can have a party.

Maybe hire some drag queens and bring your kids. I hear that' the thing to do in y'all's world these days!

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While I suppose I understand your impulse to try to broaden the very specific topic I was responding to, I really don't have any interest in engaging on your broader "culture war" rants. ("Drag queens"???)

You posted two very specific assertions of fact that seemed at least surprising, if not outright fishy, so I looked into them. They are both demonstrably false. If you have any specific information that supports either of those assertions, I'm happy to learn more. I don't see (and you don't bother to even try to explain) how things about shifting US ethnicity or mass shootings (either generally or through the lens of "race") lend support to either of your earlier assertions.

Again, if you have support for what you asserted then post it. I'm not going to bother with a response otherwise.

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Lets be clear...BBW wants this to be a "those black people" problem.

But his unimpeachable fact source of "cattturd" says it is...so, you know....

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Click on the chart genius... the entire chart doesn't show up. It's from Forbes and Statista...... BOTH left leaning.

Try again.

https://www.statista.com/chart/23905/change-in-homicides-in-us-cities/

BBW12OG said:

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Manny Sanguine said:

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BBW12OG said:

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Manny Sanguine said:

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BBW12OG said:

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I'll post this again. It's not a gun problem It's a culture who ignores the laws problem and gets away with it because they are the voting block of the left and the left has refused to do anything about it for decades. FACT.

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Despite the invitation to "Fact-check it," the posted graphic is, not surprisingly, long on assertions but short on any underlying definitions, assumptions, or data (or data sources) that would be needed to fact-check the assertions.

Nonetheless, the two main assertions:

1. The US has the third-highest murder rate in the world
2. If murders in five large US cities were excluded from the data then the US would drop to 189 of 193 in the world

appear to be false based on any publicly available data I could find. (This also isn't a new thing. I found fact check articles posted as far back as 2015. [1], [2])

As to the US world rank in murder rate, I didn't find any source that placed the US that high. Th UN [3] and the World Bank [4] produce reports on intentional homicides in countries around the world. I used the World Bank data, because it was easier to work with.

Based on countries with reported data from 1995-2018, the US ranked 73rd out of 187 with a rate of 4.96/100,000 population.

As to the change if certain cities were removed from the US data, one of the fact check articles [2] stated that those cities accounted for 1,568 out of 17,250 US homicides in 2017 (9.1%), and that excluding those cities would reduce the US rate by 7.73%. Applying that to the World Bank data would put the US at 77th in the World Bank data, not close to the bottom.

If the intention was to rank by raw numbers of intentional homicides, the US would certainly rank much higher just because of a much larger population than most other countries, but nothing I found would put the US as high as third. Removing the selected cities would still have a negligible effect on that rank.

The fact checking articles I found have links to other resources related to this topic.

Of course, if the original poster, or anyone else, has other data or information that makes these assertions anything close to true, I would be happy to learn more about it.

[1] https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/united-states-third-murders/
[2] https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/mar/28/viral-image/united-states-third-murders-outlier-cities/
[3] https://dataunodc.un.org/#state:0
[4] https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5?most_recent_value_desc=true&order=wbapi_data_value_2012+wbapi_data_value+wbapi_data_value-last&sort=desc

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Rebuttal on this one? Can't see the forest for the trees can you? It's OK... Facts are facts. Your interpretation is as meaningless as anything from snopes or politifact considering they are looking at "outliers" instead of the actual FACTS.

Review these chief... where were your observations when these were posted? Huh??? Didn't have much to say then did you?

[url=https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/08/improved-race-ethnicity-measures-reveal-united-states-population-much-more-multiracial.html#:~:text=In%202020%2C%20the%20Black%20or,million%20and%2012.6%25%20in%202010.][/url]https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/08/improved-race-ethnicity-measures-reveal-united-states-population-much-more-multiracial.html#:~:text=In%202020%2C%20the%20Black%20or,million%20and%2012.6%25%20in%202010.

[url=https://www.everytown.org/issues/gun-violence-black-americans/][/url]https://www.everytown.org/issues/gun-violence-black-americans/

[url=https://www.maciverinstitute.com/2022/05/debunking-every-major-mass-shooting-myth/][/url]https://www.maciverinstitute.com/2022/05/debunking-every-major-mass-shooting-myth/

Here is the list of the "mass shootings" in 2022. Do your research and tell me what the percentages of each racial demographic in on them.

[url=https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting][/url]https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting

[url=https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/blm-removes-website-language-blasting-nuclear-family-structure/][/url]https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/blm-removes-website-language-blasting-nuclear-family-structure/

[url=https://www.heritage.org/marriage-and-family/commentary/black-families-matter][/url]https://www.heritage.org/marriage-and-family/commentary/black-families-matter

[url=https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/aug/28/ask-politifact-does-black-lives-matter-aim-destroy/][/url]https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/aug/28/ask-politifact-does-black-lives-matter-aim-destroy/

[url=https://fee.org/articles/black-lives-matter-s-goal-to-disrupt-the-nuclear-family-fits-a-marxist-aim-that-goes-back-a-century-and-a-half/][/url]https://fee.org/articles/black-lives-matter-s-goal-to-disrupt-the-nuclear-family-fits-a-marxist-aim-that-goes-back-a-century-and-a-half/

Now show me the stats on who/which demographic is responsible for a majority of "mass shootings" in the United States.

[url=https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls][/url]https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

[url=https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43][/url]https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43

[url=https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2][/url]https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2

Your reply is applauded however sad and wrong it may be. You should have went back and read through the thread... But hey, at least you have Civ schilling for you.... all you need now is the rest of the merry lefty brigade and you all can have a party.

Maybe hire some drag queens and bring your kids. I hear that' the thing to do in y'all's world these days!

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While I suppose I understand your impulse to try to broaden the very specific topic I was responding to, I really don't have any interest in engaging on your broader "culture war" rants. ("Drag queens"???)

You posted two very specific assertions of fact that seemed at least surprising, if not outright fishy, so I looked into them. They are both demonstrably false. If you have any specific information that supports either of those assertions, I'm happy to learn more. I don't see (and you don't bother to even try to explain) how things about shifting US ethnicity or mass shootings (either generally or through the lens of "race") lend support to either of your earlier assertions.

Again, if you have support for what you asserted then post it. I'm not going to bother with a response otherwise.

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I didn't "assert" anything. I posted facts. I posted data. Your failure to read the facts and interpret the given data is par for the course for the left.

You said you couldn't "find" any data to support my statements. I provided it to you. Just because the data and charts don't follow your ideology doesn't mean they are wrong.

Following the typical blueprint of the left if you can't dispute or disprove the facts you attack the provider of them. Not one single fact or chart are you able to disprove. You just don't agree with them.

And no.. I don't expect you to get involved with the "cultural warfare" that you and your party rely on I find it laughable that you drop in with "hit and run" posts only to disappear when they are proven wrong, inadequate or just plain absurd.

Please... dispute the facts I posted. I'm waiting. Add this to the list of your homework. Got anything against Forbes or Statista there champ?

We need really strict gun laws like the ones in Democrat run cities so we'll all be safe.

Just like this? 👇 pic.twitter.com/CJTtbnUmlK

— Catturd ™ (@catturd2) June 6, 2022

Want to guess what demographic is responsible for over 80% of those?

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One more try to keep this focused on the assertions in the post I responded to. I cannot express how deeply, deeply uninterested I am in the rest of your agenda.

Your original post made two assertions:

1. The US has the third-highest murder rate in the world
2. If murders in five large US cities were excluded from the data then the US would drop to 189 of 193 in the world

Can you point to any source of data for any year showing the the US had the third-highest murder rate in the world? Please be specific. I pointed to two surveys of intentional homicides in countries around the world. Neither supports this assertion. Maybe there's another dataset somewhere. Or maybe your assertion was based on on some underlying assumptions I didn't take into account because they weren't stated. Just takes one link or citation to one source of data supporting your assertion.

Can you give details of the total number of intentional homicides in the US for any year, both nationally and for the five cities listed in your post, that would show that eliminating those cities from the data would drop the US from third to 189 worldwide? Again, be specific. Say how many there were in the US and how many were in each city. I gave those specifics for 2016 based on FBI data, which contradicted your assertion.

I'll keep an eye out for more details supporting these assertions, but, to be honest, my expectations are limited.

So gas is now $4.70/gallon, and we're still here talking about the communist Democrats' obsession with banning our guns and destroying the Second Amendment.

How is taking our guns going to make your life better?

Aren't there far more important things to focus on -- like skyrocketing inflation, and the average person now being hardly able to afford to fuel their car and pay for food and rent/housing?

Manny Sanguine said:

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BBW12OG said:

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Manny Sanguine said:

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BBW12OG said:

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Manny Sanguine said:

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BBW12OG said:

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I'll post this again. It's not a gun problem It's a culture who ignores the laws problem and gets away with it because they are the voting block of the left and the left has refused to do anything about it for decades. FACT.

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Despite the invitation to "Fact-check it," the posted graphic is, not surprisingly, long on assertions but short on any underlying definitions, assumptions, or data (or data sources) that would be needed to fact-check the assertions.

Nonetheless, the two main assertions:

1. The US has the third-highest murder rate in the world
2. If murders in five large US cities were excluded from the data then the US would drop to 189 of 193 in the world

appear to be false based on any publicly available data I could find. (This also isn't a new thing. I found fact check articles posted as far back as 2015. [1], [2])

As to the US world rank in murder rate, I didn't find any source that placed the US that high. Th UN [3] and the World Bank [4] produce reports on intentional homicides in countries around the world. I used the World Bank data, because it was easier to work with.

Based on countries with reported data from 1995-2018, the US ranked 73rd out of 187 with a rate of 4.96/100,000 population.

As to the change if certain cities were removed from the US data, one of the fact check articles [2] stated that those cities accounted for 1,568 out of 17,250 US homicides in 2017 (9.1%), and that excluding those cities would reduce the US rate by 7.73%. Applying that to the World Bank data would put the US at 77th in the World Bank data, not close to the bottom.

If the intention was to rank by raw numbers of intentional homicides, the US would certainly rank much higher just because of a much larger population than most other countries, but nothing I found would put the US as high as third. Removing the selected cities would still have a negligible effect on that rank.

The fact checking articles I found have links to other resources related to this topic.

Of course, if the original poster, or anyone else, has other data or information that makes these assertions anything close to true, I would be happy to learn more about it.

[1] https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/united-states-third-murders/
[2] https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/mar/28/viral-image/united-states-third-murders-outlier-cities/
[3] https://dataunodc.un.org/#state:0
[4] https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5?most_recent_value_desc=true&order=wbapi_data_value_2012+wbapi_data_value+wbapi_data_value-last&sort=desc

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Rebuttal on this one? Can't see the forest for the trees can you? It's OK... Facts are facts. Your interpretation is as meaningless as anything from snopes or politifact considering they are looking at "outliers" instead of the actual FACTS.

Review these chief... where were your observations when these were posted? Huh??? Didn't have much to say then did you?

[url=https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/08/improved-race-ethnicity-measures-reveal-united-states-population-much-more-multiracial.html#:~:text=In%202020%2C%20the%20Black%20or,million%20and%2012.6%25%20in%202010.][/url]https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/08/improved-race-ethnicity-measures-reveal-united-states-population-much-more-multiracial.html#:~:text=In%202020%2C%20the%20Black%20or,million%20and%2012.6%25%20in%202010.

[url=https://www.everytown.org/issues/gun-violence-black-americans/][/url]https://www.everytown.org/issues/gun-violence-black-americans/

[url=https://www.maciverinstitute.com/2022/05/debunking-every-major-mass-shooting-myth/][/url]https://www.maciverinstitute.com/2022/05/debunking-every-major-mass-shooting-myth/

Here is the list of the "mass shootings" in 2022. Do your research and tell me what the percentages of each racial demographic in on them.

[url=https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting][/url]https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting

[url=https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/blm-removes-website-language-blasting-nuclear-family-structure/][/url]https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/blm-removes-website-language-blasting-nuclear-family-structure/

[url=https://www.heritage.org/marriage-and-family/commentary/black-families-matter][/url]https://www.heritage.org/marriage-and-family/commentary/black-families-matter

[url=https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/aug/28/ask-politifact-does-black-lives-matter-aim-destroy/][/url]https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/aug/28/ask-politifact-does-black-lives-matter-aim-destroy/

[url=https://fee.org/articles/black-lives-matter-s-goal-to-disrupt-the-nuclear-family-fits-a-marxist-aim-that-goes-back-a-century-and-a-half/][/url]https://fee.org/articles/black-lives-matter-s-goal-to-disrupt-the-nuclear-family-fits-a-marxist-aim-that-goes-back-a-century-and-a-half/

Now show me the stats on who/which demographic is responsible for a majority of "mass shootings" in the United States.

[url=https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls][/url]https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

[url=https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43][/url]https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43

[url=https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2][/url]https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2

Your reply is applauded however sad and wrong it may be. You should have went back and read through the thread... But hey, at least you have Civ schilling for you.... all you need now is the rest of the merry lefty brigade and you all can have a party.

Maybe hire some drag queens and bring your kids. I hear that' the thing to do in y'all's world these days!

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While I suppose I understand your impulse to try to broaden the very specific topic I was responding to, I really don't have any interest in engaging on your broader "culture war" rants. ("Drag queens"???)

You posted two very specific assertions of fact that seemed at least surprising, if not outright fishy, so I looked into them. They are both demonstrably false. If you have any specific information that supports either of those assertions, I'm happy to learn more. I don't see (and you don't bother to even try to explain) how things about shifting US ethnicity or mass shootings (either generally or through the lens of "race") lend support to either of your earlier assertions.

Again, if you have support for what you asserted then post it. I'm not going to bother with a response otherwise.

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I didn't "assert" anything. I posted facts. I posted data. Your failure to read the facts and interpret the given data is par for the course for the left.

You said you couldn't "find" any data to support my statements. I provided it to you. Just because the data and charts don't follow your ideology doesn't mean they are wrong.

Following the typical blueprint of the left if you can't dispute or disprove the facts you attack the provider of them. Not one single fact or chart are you able to disprove. You just don't agree with them.

And no.. I don't expect you to get involved with the "cultural warfare" that you and your party rely on I find it laughable that you drop in with "hit and run" posts only to disappear when they are proven wrong, inadequate or just plain absurd.

Please... dispute the facts I posted. I'm waiting. Add this to the list of your homework. Got anything against Forbes or Statista there champ?

We need really strict gun laws like the ones in Democrat run cities so we'll all be safe.

Just like this? 👇 pic.twitter.com/CJTtbnUmlK

— Catturd ™ (@catturd2) June 6, 2022

Want to guess what demographic is responsible for over 80% of those?

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One more try to keep this focused on the assertions in the post I responded to. I cannot express how deeply, deeply uninterested I am in the rest of your agenda.

Your original post made two assertions:

1. The US has the third-highest murder rate in the world
2. If murders in five large US cities were excluded from the data then the US would drop to 189 of 193 in the world

Can you point to any source of data for any year showing the the US had the third-highest murder rate in the world? Please be specific. I pointed to two surveys of intentional homicides in countries around the world. Neither supports this assertion. Maybe there's another dataset somewhere. Or maybe your assertion was based on on some underlying assumptions I didn't take into account because they weren't stated. Just takes one link or citation to one source of data supporting your assertion.

Can you give details of the total number of intentional homicides in the US for any year, both nationally and for the five cities listed in your post, that would show that eliminating those cities from the data would drop the US from third to 189 worldwide? Again, be specific. Say how many there were in the US and how many were in each city. I gave those specifics for 2016 based on FBI data, which contradicted your assertion.

I'll keep an eye out for more details supporting these assertions, but, to be honest, my expectations are limited.

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LOL... Did you review the charts and information I posted from the FBI data base? No... obviously.

Good thing about expectations. I never have any for people that only post on ideology and not facts.

Review the charts. Do your math. Cross reference them. Google is your friend. I'm not doing your research for you. If you think the chart is wrong I got nothing for you. Click on the graph and it will show you where the statistics were obtained from.

I just did it for Chem because he is special to me. I like to help him out as much as I can. Now run along, you have an assignment.

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I'll post this again. It's not a gun problem It's a culture who ignores the laws problem and gets away with it because they are the voting block of the left and the left has refused to do anything about it for decades. FACT.

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Despite the invitation to "Fact-check it," the posted graphic is, not surprisingly, long on assertions but short on any underlying definitions, assumptions, or data (or data sources) that would be needed to fact-check the assertions.

Nonetheless, the two main assertions:

1. The US has the third-highest murder rate in the world
2. If murders in five large US cities were excluded from the data then the US would drop to 189 of 193 in the world

appear to be false based on any publicly available data I could find. (This also isn't a new thing. I found fact check articles posted as far back as 2015. [1], [2])

As to the US world rank in murder rate, I didn't find any source that placed the US that high. Th UN [3] and the World Bank [4] produce reports on intentional homicides in countries around the world. I used the World Bank data, because it was easier to work with.

Based on countries with reported data from 1995-2018, the US ranked 73rd out of 187 with a rate of 4.96/100,000 population.

As to the change if certain cities were removed from the US data, one of the fact check articles [2] stated that those cities accounted for 1,568 out of 17,250 US homicides in 2017 (9.1%), and that excluding those cities would reduce the US rate by 7.73%. Applying that to the World Bank data would put the US at 77th in the World Bank data, not close to the bottom.

If the intention was to rank by raw numbers of intentional homicides, the US would certainly rank much higher just because of a much larger population than most other countries, but nothing I found would put the US as high as third. Removing the selected cities would still have a negligible effect on that rank.

The fact checking articles I found have links to other resources related to this topic.

Of course, if the original poster, or anyone else, has other data or information that makes these assertions anything close to true, I would be happy to learn more about it.

[1] https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/united-states-third-murders/
[2] https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/mar/28/viral-image/united-states-third-murders-outlier-cities/
[3] https://dataunodc.un.org/#state:0
[4] https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5?most_recent_value_desc=true&order=wbapi_data_value_2012+wbapi_data_value+wbapi_data_value-last&sort=desc

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Rebuttal on this one? Can't see the forest for the trees can you? It's OK... Facts are facts. Your interpretation is as meaningless as anything from snopes or politifact considering they are looking at "outliers" instead of the actual FACTS.

Review these chief... where were your observations when these were posted? Huh??? Didn't have much to say then did you?

[url=https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/08/improved-race-ethnicity-measures-reveal-united-states-population-much-more-multiracial.html#:~:text=In%202020%2C%20the%20Black%20or,million%20and%2012.6%25%20in%202010.][/url]https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/08/improved-race-ethnicity-measures-reveal-united-states-population-much-more-multiracial.html#:~:text=In%202020%2C%20the%20Black%20or,million%20and%2012.6%25%20in%202010.

[url=https://www.everytown.org/issues/gun-violence-black-americans/][/url]https://www.everytown.org/issues/gun-violence-black-americans/

[url=https://www.maciverinstitute.com/2022/05/debunking-every-major-mass-shooting-myth/][/url]https://www.maciverinstitute.com/2022/05/debunking-every-major-mass-shooting-myth/

Here is the list of the "mass shootings" in 2022. Do your research and tell me what the percentages of each racial demographic in on them.

[url=https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting][/url]https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting

[url=https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/blm-removes-website-language-blasting-nuclear-family-structure/][/url]https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/blm-removes-website-language-blasting-nuclear-family-structure/

[url=https://www.heritage.org/marriage-and-family/commentary/black-families-matter][/url]https://www.heritage.org/marriage-and-family/commentary/black-families-matter

[url=https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/aug/28/ask-politifact-does-black-lives-matter-aim-destroy/][/url]https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/aug/28/ask-politifact-does-black-lives-matter-aim-destroy/

[url=https://fee.org/articles/black-lives-matter-s-goal-to-disrupt-the-nuclear-family-fits-a-marxist-aim-that-goes-back-a-century-and-a-half/][/url]https://fee.org/articles/black-lives-matter-s-goal-to-disrupt-the-nuclear-family-fits-a-marxist-aim-that-goes-back-a-century-and-a-half/

Now show me the stats on who/which demographic is responsible for a majority of "mass shootings" in the United States.

[url=https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls][/url]https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

[url=https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43][/url]https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43

[url=https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2][/url]https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2

Your reply is applauded however sad and wrong it may be. You should have went back and read through the thread... But hey, at least you have Civ schilling for you.... all you need now is the rest of the merry lefty brigade and you all can have a party.

Maybe hire some drag queens and bring your kids. I hear that' the thing to do in y'all's world these days!

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While I suppose I understand your impulse to try to broaden the very specific topic I was responding to, I really don't have any interest in engaging on your broader "culture war" rants. ("Drag queens"???)

You posted two very specific assertions of fact that seemed at least surprising, if not outright fishy, so I looked into them. They are both demonstrably false. If you have any specific information that supports either of those assertions, I'm happy to learn more. I don't see (and you don't bother to even try to explain) how things about shifting US ethnicity or mass shootings (either generally or through the lens of "race") lend support to either of your earlier assertions.

Again, if you have support for what you asserted then post it. I'm not going to bother with a response otherwise.

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I didn't "assert" anything. I posted facts. I posted data. Your failure to read the facts and interpret the given data is par for the course for the left.

You said you couldn't "find" any data to support my statements. I provided it to you. Just because the data and charts don't follow your ideology doesn't mean they are wrong.

Following the typical blueprint of the left if you can't dispute or disprove the facts you attack the provider of them. Not one single fact or chart are you able to disprove. You just don't agree with them.

And no.. I don't expect you to get involved with the "cultural warfare" that you and your party rely on I find it laughable that you drop in with "hit and run" posts only to disappear when they are proven wrong, inadequate or just plain absurd.

Please... dispute the facts I posted. I'm waiting. Add this to the list of your homework. Got anything against Forbes or Statista there champ?

We need really strict gun laws like the ones in Democrat run cities so we'll all be safe.

Just like this? 👇 pic.twitter.com/CJTtbnUmlK

— Catturd ™ (@catturd2) June 6, 2022

Want to guess what demographic is responsible for over 80% of those?

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One more try to keep this focused on the assertions in the post I responded to. I cannot express how deeply, deeply uninterested I am in the rest of your agenda.

Your original post made two assertions:

1. The US has the third-highest murder rate in the world
2. If murders in five large US cities were excluded from the data then the US would drop to 189 of 193 in the world

Can you point to any source of data for any year showing the the US had the third-highest murder rate in the world? Please be specific. I pointed to two surveys of intentional homicides in countries around the world. Neither supports this assertion. Maybe there's another dataset somewhere. Or maybe your assertion was based on on some underlying assumptions I didn't take into account because they weren't stated. Just takes one link or citation to one source of data supporting your assertion.

Can you give details of the total number of intentional homicides in the US for any year, both nationally and for the five cities listed in your post, that would show that eliminating those cities from the data would drop the US from third to 189 worldwide? Again, be specific. Say how many there were in the US and how many were in each city. I gave those specifics for 2016 based on FBI data, which contradicted your assertion.

I'll keep an eye out for more details supporting these assertions, but, to be honest, my expectations are limited.

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LOL... Did you review the charts and information I posted from the FBI data base? No... obviously.

Good thing about expectations. I never have any for people that only post on ideology and not facts.

Review the charts. Do your math. Cross reference them. Google is your friend. I'm not doing your research for you. If you think the chart is wrong I got nothing for you. Click on the graph and it will show you where the statistics were obtained from.

I just did it for Chem because he is special to me. I like to help him out as much as I can. Now run along, you have an assignment.

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Let's see, you posted:

• A census article aparently about the US becoming more multiracial.
• An article about Black Americans and gun violence
• An article about mass shooting myths
• A list of mass shootings
• 4 articles about BLM and the nuclear family
• 3 articles about crime statistics within the US
• An infographic posted on twitted by someone named "catturd" about changes in murder rates in US cities

Exactly zero of these have anything to do with whether the murder rate in the US ever ranked in the top 3 countries in the world in any year.

That was the topic of the post I replied to. Not any of this other stuff. I mean, it's a really simple question:

In what year did the US murder rate rank in the top 3 in the world and what data source supports your answer?

Semantics my friend... I see what you are doing....

Let me fix this for you....

Murder by mass shootings....

I thought you were on point with what we were discussing. Rather than chasing your tail let's narrow it down to that.

Take out the murders non-mass shooting related. Is that better?

And then go and do you statistical analysis.

The chart I posted was "mass shooting" specific.

I see what you did with your spin. Good job. You are a good lefty. Now let's get down to brass tacks.

INCLUDE ONLY MASS SHOOTINGS FOR THE STATISTICS.

And good job regurgitating MSNBC talking points.

BBW12OG said:

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Semantics my friend... I see what you are doing....

Let me fix this for you....

Murder by mass shootings....

I thought you were on point with what we were discussing. Rather than chasing your tail let's narrow it down to that.

Take out the murders non-mass shooting related. Is that better?

And then go and do you statistical analysis.

The chart I posted was "mass shooting" specific.

I see what you did with your spin. Good job. You are a good lefty. Now let's get down to brass tacks.

INCLUDE ONLY MASS SHOOTINGS FOR THE STATISTICS.

And good job regurgitating MSNBC talking points.

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in all of the statistics you posted I must say white America has a drinking problem.

That is true, but I'd venture to guess that many races in America have a drinking problem, not just caucasian.

See if you can draw any correlation of what I have said from this one. Enjoy...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081

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That is true, but I'd venture to guess that many races in America have a drinking problem, not just caucasian.

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well when 69.4% of the population has 81.5 % of the DUIs and 77.7% of the liquor law violations and 75.6% of the drunkenness offenses, the stats say it's a problem

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That is true, but I'd venture to guess that many races in America have a drinking problem, not just caucasian.

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I agreed with you.

Bell Tower Grey said:

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Bell Tower Grey said:

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That is true, but I'd venture to guess that many races in America have a drinking problem, not just caucasian.

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I agreed with you.

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Yes I know. I just want to beat a horse to death just like my guy BBW

BBW12OG said:

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Semantics my friend... I see what you are doing....

Let me fix this for you....

Murder by mass shootings....

I thought you were on point with what we were discussing. Rather than chasing your tail let's narrow it down to that.

Take out the murders non-mass shooting related. Is that better?

And then go and do you statistical analysis.

The chart I posted was "mass shooting" specific.

I see what you did with your spin. Good job. You are a good lefty. Now let's get down to brass tacks.

INCLUDE ONLY MASS SHOOTINGS FOR THE STATISTICS.

And good job regurgitating MSNBC talking points.

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What he's doing, is calling out your BS meme that you dared everyone to fact check.

Well, Manny did. And the meme is bull***** It said nothing about mass shootings. It's just completely erroneous.

You look silly trying to excuse it away. Just own it, say it was wrong, Manny was right, and move on.

Pro tip: fact-check your own memes before you dare other people to. Could spare you the egg on your face next time.

hokiewolf said:

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Bell Tower Grey said:

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That is true, but I'd venture to guess that many races in America have a drinking problem, not just caucasian.

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well when 69.4% of the population has 81.5 % of the DUIs and 77.7% of the liquor law violations and 75.6% of the drunkenness offenses, the stats say it's a problem

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This number probably came from a random group selected of five drunks, four of whom were white.

Civilized said:

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BBW12OG said:

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Semantics my friend... I see what you are doing....

Let me fix this for you....

Murder by mass shootings....

I thought you were on point with what we were discussing. Rather than chasing your tail let's narrow it down to that.

Take out the murders non-mass shooting related. Is that better?

And then go and do you statistical analysis.

The chart I posted was "mass shooting" specific.

I see what you did with your spin. Good job. You are a good lefty. Now let's get down to brass tacks.

INCLUDE ONLY MASS SHOOTINGS FOR THE STATISTICS.

And good job regurgitating MSNBC talking points.

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What he's doing, is calling out your BS meme that you dared everyone to fact check.

Well, Manny did. And the meme is bull***** It said nothing about mass shootings. It's just completely erroneous.

You look silly trying to excuse it away. Just own it, say it was wrong, Manny was right, and move on.

Pro tip: fact-check your own memes before you dare other people to. Could spare you the egg on your face next time.

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To be fair it is BBW's only tried and true tactic and one of the reasons he was banned from the Brickyard.
He never presents an honest debate just ad hominem attacks and errant and dishonest memes he acquires from far right propaganda sites like Stormfront. He also has a weird fetish for capitalizing in boldface font the word "MARXIST". I am starting to believe he gets paid extra by someone for every bold MARXIST he is able to include in each post. Of course this post here means that I will be forever labeled a "MARXIST" in his world...I just hope I get the BOLD font label as well.
Anyway, good luck in trying to reason with this poster as they are unable and unwilling to consider anything outside of their far-right little world.
I now wait for me now to get the BOLD FACED MARXIST label which I will wear with honor.

NCTrafficMan said:

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Civilized said:

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BBW12OG said:

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Semantics my friend... I see what you are doing....

Let me fix this for you....

Murder by mass shootings....

I thought you were on point with what we were discussing. Rather than chasing your tail let's narrow it down to that.

Take out the murders non-mass shooting related. Is that better?

And then go and do you statistical analysis.

The chart I posted was "mass shooting" specific.

I see what you did with your spin. Good job. You are a good lefty. Now let's get down to brass tacks.

INCLUDE ONLY MASS SHOOTINGS FOR THE STATISTICS.

And good job regurgitating MSNBC talking points.

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What he's doing, is calling out your BS meme that you dared everyone to fact check.

Well, Manny did. And the meme is bull***** It said nothing about mass shootings. It's just completely erroneous.

You look silly trying to excuse it away. Just own it, say it was wrong, Manny was right, and move on.

Pro tip: fact-check your own memes before you dare other people to. Could spare you the egg on your face next time.

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To be fair it is BBW's only tried and true tactic and one of the reasons he was banned from the Brickyard.
He never presents an honest debate just ad hominem attacks and errant and dishonest memes he acquires from far right propaganda sites like Stormfront. He also has a weird fetish for capitalizing in boldface font the word "MARXIST". I am starting to believe he gets paid extra by someone for every bold MARXIST he is able to include in each post. Of course this post here means that I will be forever labeled a "MARXIST" in his world...I just hope I get the BOLD font label as well.
Anyway, good luck in trying to reason with this poster as they are unable and unwilling to consider anything outside of their far-right little world.
I now wait for me now to get the BOLD FACED MARXIST label which I will wear with honor.

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BBW doesn't get paid each time, but Elizabeth Warren does!

What's up NCTraffic..... Been a long time! I see you are still the same.

Civ - No egg on my face. Are mass shooting deaths murder? Yes.

Did you or any of your lefty comrades dispute/disprove any of the facts I posted? No.

Enjoy being wrong. Again. You should be used to it.

If you want to debate what facts I posted then do it. Tell me I'm wrong and prove it. I post a litany of facts and the only thing you and your merry bunch of libs could do was nitpick a meme that was part of a current discussion.

Not once did any of you disprove anything that was posted. Typical of you and your ideology. When you can't win an argument you attack the poster or blatantly lie.

I'll wait for you to dispute the facts I presented.

hokiewolf said:

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NCTrafficMan said:

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BBW12OG said:

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Semantics my friend... I see what you are doing....

Let me fix this for you....

Murder by mass shootings....

I thought you were on point with what we were discussing. Rather than chasing your tail let's narrow it down to that.

Take out the murders non-mass shooting related. Is that better?

And then go and do you statistical analysis.

The chart I posted was "mass shooting" specific.

I see what you did with your spin. Good job. You are a good lefty. Now let's get down to brass tacks.

INCLUDE ONLY MASS SHOOTINGS FOR THE STATISTICS.

And good job regurgitating MSNBC talking points.

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What he's doing, is calling out your BS meme that you dared everyone to fact check.

Well, Manny did. And the meme is bull***** It said nothing about mass shootings. It's just completely erroneous.

You look silly trying to excuse it away. Just own it, say it was wrong, Manny was right, and move on.

Pro tip: fact-check your own memes before you dare other people to. Could spare you the egg on your face next time.

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To be fair it is BBW's only tried and true tactic and one of the reasons he was banned from the Brickyard.
He never presents an honest debate just ad hominem attacks and errant and dishonest memes he acquires from far right propaganda sites like Stormfront. He also has a weird fetish for capitalizing in boldface font the word "MARXIST". I am starting to believe he gets paid extra by someone for every bold MARXIST he is able to include in each post. Of course this post here means that I will be forever labeled a "MARXIST" in his world...I just hope I get the BOLD font label as well.
Anyway, good luck in trying to reason with this poster as they are unable and unwilling to consider anything outside of their far-right little world.
I now wait for me now to get the BOLD FACED MARXIST label which I will wear with honor.

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BBW doesn't get paid each time, but Elizabeth Warren does!

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*Yawn* Never have been a Warren fan so don't know why you think I would care.....but good attempt at deflection! You loose points for not including a bolded "MARXIST" though.

But hey defend BBW if it makes you happy! I know he must be happy to have a lackey.

NCTrafficMan said:

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hokiewolf said:

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NCTrafficMan said:

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Civilized said:

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BBW12OG said:

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Semantics my friend... I see what you are doing....

Let me fix this for you....

Murder by mass shootings....

I thought you were on point with what we were discussing. Rather than chasing your tail let's narrow it down to that.

Take out the murders non-mass shooting related. Is that better?

And then go and do you statistical analysis.

The chart I posted was "mass shooting" specific.

I see what you did with your spin. Good job. You are a good lefty. Now let's get down to brass tacks.

INCLUDE ONLY MASS SHOOTINGS FOR THE STATISTICS.

And good job regurgitating MSNBC talking points.

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What he's doing, is calling out your BS meme that you dared everyone to fact check.

Well, Manny did. And the meme is bull***** It said nothing about mass shootings. It's just completely erroneous.

You look silly trying to excuse it away. Just own it, say it was wrong, Manny was right, and move on.

Pro tip: fact-check your own memes before you dare other people to. Could spare you the egg on your face next time.

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To be fair it is BBW's only tried and true tactic and one of the reasons he was banned from the Brickyard.
He never presents an honest debate just ad hominem attacks and errant and dishonest memes he acquires from far right propaganda sites like Stormfront. He also has a weird fetish for capitalizing in boldface font the word "MARXIST". I am starting to believe he gets paid extra by someone for every bold MARXIST he is able to include in each post. Of course this post here means that I will be forever labeled a "MARXIST" in his world...I just hope I get the BOLD font label as well.
Anyway, good luck in trying to reason with this poster as they are unable and unwilling to consider anything outside of their far-right little world.
I now wait for me now to get the BOLD FACED MARXIST label which I will wear with honor.

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BBW doesn't get paid each time, but Elizabeth Warren does!

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*Yawn* Never have been a Warren fan so don't know why you think I would care.....but good attempt at deflection! You loose points for not including a bolded "MARXIST" though.

But hey defend BBW if it makes you happy! I know he must be happy to have a lackey.

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Just as clueless here as you were on TOS..... why don't you pay up and hang out. Smacking around lefties like you on a message board is fun stuff.

BBW12OG said:

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What's up NCTraffic..... Been a long time! I see you are still the same.

Civ - No egg on my face. Are mass shooting deaths murder? Yes.

Did you or any of your lefty comrades dispute/disprove any of the facts I posted? No.

Enjoy being wrong. Again. You should be used to it.

If you want to debate what facts I posted then do it. Tell me I'm wrong and prove it. I post a litany of facts and the only thing you and your merry bunch of libs could do was nitpick a meme that was part of a current discussion.

Not once did any of you disprove anything that was posted. Typical of you and your ideology. When you can't win an argument you attack the poster or blatantly lie.

I'll wait for you to dispute the facts I presented.

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No lies from me. I stated facts. Prove me wrong if you think I lied.
Prove me wrong that you get memes from far-right propaganda sources.
Prove me wrong that you love to post the word "MARXIST" in bold fonts to describe anyone that dares differ in beliefs from you.
You can't because it is the truth.
You are a one trick pony. Always have been, always will be.
That is one of the reasons why you got banned from the Brickyard and why you are so easy to describe here.
Such a sad little character you are.
I am only sad that I did not get one of your legendary "MARXIST" in bold font.

NCTrafficMan said:

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BBW12OG said:

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What's up NCTraffic..... Been a long time! I see you are still the same.

Civ - No egg on my face. Are mass shooting deaths murder? Yes.

Did you or any of your lefty comrades dispute/disprove any of the facts I posted? No.

Enjoy being wrong. Again. You should be used to it.

If you want to debate what facts I posted then do it. Tell me I'm wrong and prove it. I post a litany of facts and the only thing you and your merry bunch of libs could do was nitpick a meme that was part of a current discussion.

Not once did any of you disprove anything that was posted. Typical of you and your ideology. When you can't win an argument you attack the poster or blatantly lie.

I'll wait for you to dispute the facts I presented.

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No lies from me. I stated facts. Prove me wrong if you think I lied. Hokie isn't my lackey.

Prove me wrong that you get memes from far-right propaganda sources. I post memes from different sources including CNN, MSNBC, RNC, etc.... not "far-right propaganda sources"

Prove me wrong that you love to post the word "MARXIST" in bold fonts to describe anyone that dares differ in beliefs from you. Of course I post the word in bold to let them know who they are.

You can't because it is the truth. I just proved you wrong on two occasions and you in fact lied.

You are a one trick pony. Always have been, always will be. You are a stalker and always have been. You try to bait posters in order to get them banned.

That is one of the reasons why you got banned from the Brickyard and why you are so easy to describe here. I was banned due to the new regime being made up mostly of lefties with no sense of humor. As were many of the posters that had been members since the ACC Boards. Something you know nothing about I'm sure.

Such a sad little character you are. I'm not the one running from one board to another to stalk a poster you have a problem with. That's sad and pathetic.

I am only sad that I did not get one of your legendary "MARXIST" in bold font. You aren't worth the trouble it takes to do so.

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Now run along and play. If you wish to continue discussing this with me pay up. If not.... get a freaking life.

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BBW12OG said:

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Semantics my friend... I see what you are doing....

Let me fix this for you....

Murder by mass shootings....

I thought you were on point with what we were discussing. Rather than chasing your tail let's narrow it down to that.

Take out the murders non-mass shooting related. Is that better?

And then go and do you statistical analysis.

The chart I posted was "mass shooting" specific.

I see what you did with your spin. Good job. You are a good lefty. Now let's get down to brass tacks.

INCLUDE ONLY MASS SHOOTINGS FOR THE STATISTICS.

And good job regurgitating MSNBC talking points.

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What he's doing, is calling out your BS meme that you dared everyone to fact check.

Well, Manny did. And the meme is bull***** It said nothing about mass shootings. It's just completely erroneous.

You look silly trying to excuse it away. Just own it, say it was wrong, Manny was right, and move on.

Pro tip: fact-check your own memes before you dare other people to. Could spare you the egg on your face next time.

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To be fair it is BBW's only tried and true tactic and one of the reasons he was banned from the Brickyard.
He never presents an honest debate just ad hominem attacks and errant and dishonest memes he acquires from far right propaganda sites like Stormfront. He also has a weird fetish for capitalizing in boldface font the word "MARXIST". I am starting to believe he gets paid extra by someone for every bold MARXIST he is able to include in each post. Of course this post here means that I will be forever labeled a "MARXIST" in his world...I just hope I get the BOLD font label as well.
Anyway, good luck in trying to reason with this poster as they are unable and unwilling to consider anything outside of their far-right little world.
I now wait for me now to get the BOLD FACED MARXIST label which I will wear with honor.

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BBW doesn't get paid each time, but Elizabeth Warren does!

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*Yawn* Never have been a Warren fan so don't know why you think I would care.....but good attempt at deflection! You loose points for not including a bolded "MARXIST" though.

But hey defend BBW if it makes you happy! I know he must be happy to have a lackey.

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What's up NCTraffic..... Been a long time! I see you are still the same.

Civ - No egg on my face. Are mass shooting deaths murder? Yes.

Did you or any of your lefty comrades dispute/disprove any of the facts I posted? No.

Enjoy being wrong. Again. You should be used to it.

If you want to debate what facts I posted then do it. Tell me I'm wrong and prove it. I post a litany of facts and the only thing you and your merry bunch of libs could do was nitpick a meme that was part of a current discussion.

Not once did any of you disprove anything that was posted. Typical of you and your ideology. When you can't win an argument you attack the poster or blatantly lie.

I'll wait for you to dispute the facts I presented.

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No lies from me. I stated facts. Prove me wrong if you think I lied. Hokie isn't my lackey.

Prove me wrong that you get memes from far-right propaganda sources. I post memes from different sources including CNN, MSNBC, RNC, etc.... not "far-right propaganda sources"

Prove me wrong that you love to post the word "MARXIST" in bold fonts to describe anyone that dares differ in beliefs from you. Of course I post the word in bold to let them know who they are.

You can't because it is the truth. I just proved you wrong on two occasions and you in fact lied.

You are a one trick pony. Always have been, always will be. You are a stalker and always have been. You try to bait posters in order to get them banned.

That is one of the reasons why you got banned from the Brickyard and why you are so easy to describe here. I was banned due to the new regime being made up mostly of lefties with no sense of humor. As were many of the posters that had been members since the ACC Boards. Something you know nothing about I'm sure.

Such a sad little character you are. I'm not the one running from one board to another to stalk a poster you have a problem with. That's sad and pathetic.

I am only sad that I did not get one of your legendary "MARXIST" in bold font. You aren't worth the trouble it takes to do so.

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Now run along and play. If you wish to continue discussing this with me pay up. If not.... get a freaking life.

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Pretty spot on post about this character. Only posts have been personal attacks about you, which are supposed to be against the rules. Looks like you have a stalker.

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What's up NCTraffic..... Been a long time! I see you are still the same.

Civ - No egg on my face. Are mass shooting deaths murder? Yes.

Did you or any of your lefty comrades dispute/disprove any of the facts I posted? No.

Enjoy being wrong. Again. You should be used to it.

If you want to debate what facts I posted then do it. Tell me I'm wrong and prove it. I post a litany of facts and the only thing you and your merry bunch of libs could do was nitpick a meme that was part of a current discussion.

Not once did any of you disprove anything that was posted. Typical of you and your ideology. When you can't win an argument you attack the poster or blatantly lie.

I'll wait for you to dispute the facts I presented.

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OK, one last try…

You posted a meme that included two statements of fact about the US world ranking in murder rate and invited others to "fact-check it."

I thought that meme, alone, was more interesting than most of the rest of this thread - enough to look into it further.

I looked at data on murder rates by country between 1995-2018. The two assertions in the meme you posted appeared to be completely false, so I posted a message showing, in detail, why the two assertions were false and asking if you, or anyone else, had more information.

In response, across several messages, you posted links to things entirely irrelevant to the assertions in the original meme (US demographics, BLM, crime rates within the US, etc.), but nothing actually supporting the assertions.

I hardly think it is a "nitpick" to show that the entirety of the meme you posted (and asked people to fact-check) was false. If you don't want people to fact-check things you post, then don't invite them to do so.

If you think I have "lied" about anything I have posted in any message in this thread, please point it out specifically.

(Oh, by the way, the supposed Thomas Jefferson quote in your signature is also bogus, and appears to come from a 1986 book titled "Dreams Come Due: Government and Economics as If Freedom Mattered" under the name John Galt. No evidence that Jefferson ever said or wrote such a thing, although he said many other things I think you would agree with.)

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BBW12OG said:

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What's up NCTraffic..... Been a long time! I see you are still the same.

Civ - No egg on my face. Are mass shooting deaths murder? Yes.

Did you or any of your lefty comrades dispute/disprove any of the facts I posted? No.

Enjoy being wrong. Again. You should be used to it.

If you want to debate what facts I posted then do it. Tell me I'm wrong and prove it. I post a litany of facts and the only thing you and your merry bunch of libs could do was nitpick a meme that was part of a current discussion.

Not once did any of you disprove anything that was posted. Typical of you and your ideology. When you can't win an argument you attack the poster or blatantly lie.

I'll wait for you to dispute the facts I presented.

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(Oh, by the way, the supposed Thomas Jefferson quote in your signature is also bogus, and appears to come from a 1986 book titled "Dreams Come Due: Government and Economics as If Freedom Mattered" under the name John Galt. No evidence that Jefferson ever said or wrote such a thing, although he said many other things I think you would agree with.)

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lol

You totally are obsessed with me aren't you?

I point out the facts with proof and you argue over semantics of a meme?

Shows you really care about the numbers of blacks being killed by blacks on a daily basis doesn't it?

As far as the quote goes as many say it was from Jefferson as they do that say he didn't. You rely on your lefty news outlets and I'll rely on mine. No one can definitively prove that he did/did not say it. Regardless, it's the damn truth whoever said it.

Now instead of worrying about the wording of the meme why don't you address the subject matter? Or does that invade your "safe space?"

Ha Ha! Glad you chimed in. Still making jokes about kids being murdered? Still lying about whether or not you are a democrat? I mean on one thread you said, and I quote, "I am a democrat.." On the other thread you claimed you were an "independent." So which is it Glass????

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You totally are obsessed with me aren't you?

I point out the facts with proof and you argue over semantics of a meme?

Shows you really care about the numbers of blacks being killed by blacks on a daily basis doesn't it?

As far as the quote goes as many say it was from Jefferson as they do that say he didn't. You rely on your lefty news outlets and I'll rely on mine. No one can definitively prove that he did/did not say it. Regardless, it's the damn truth whoever said it.

Now instead of worrying about the wording of the meme why don't you address the subject matter? Or does that invade your "safe space?"

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Not the semantics of a meme.

The totality of a meme. That you were grandstanding about and inviting everyone who'd listen to fact-check.

Just say the meme was complete bull**** and be done with it.

But you won't do that. Instead you'll keep obstructing reasonable conversation about abortion, gun control, or school shootings with more "whatabout-isms" about gang violence.

Stop getting your news from social media memes.