That's another informative article that reveals a good bit about his damaged world view. Interestingly, his older sister chose an honorable path out of the mayhem by joining the Navy. I imagine she didn't have a stuttering or lisp problem. Kids can be so incredibly cruel.

Thanks for the link, Steve.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/west-virginia-woman-fatally-shoots-gunman-who-opened-fire-on-party-guests/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=homepage&utm_campaign=hero&utm_content=related&utm_term=second

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A female attendee of an outdoor party in West Virginia fatally shot a gunman who opened fired into a crowd of guests on Wednesday.

She fatally shot the perpetrator, identified as Dennis Butler, after he began shooting at dozens of people gathered for a birthday/graduation party outside an apartment complex in Charleston, police said in a statement.

Authorities said Butler had driven around the apartment building earlier in the evening and was told to slow down because children were playing. He left, returned later, parked in front of the complex, and started shooting at people, they said. Hazelett told NBC Washington that no charges will be filed against the woman who intervened.

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Totally unrelated story from this week, but this is how armed citizens are supposed to react to violent aggression. This is also why the defund police movement produced a huge upswing in the purchase of firearms. People have lost confidence that the cops will do their jobs in a timely manner.

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A female attendee of an outdoor party in West Virginia fatally shot a gunman who opened fired into a crowd of guests on Wednesday.

She fatally shot the perpetrator, identified as Dennis Butler, after he began shooting at dozens of people gathered for a birthday/graduation party outside an apartment complex in Charleston, police said in a statement.

Authorities said Butler had driven around the apartment building earlier in the evening and was told to slow down because children were playing. He left, returned later, parked in front of the complex, and started shooting at people, they said. Hazelett told NBC Washington that no charges will be filed against the woman who intervened.

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Totally unrelated story from this week, but this is how armed citizens are supposed to react to violent aggression. This is also why the defund police movement produced a huge upswing in the purchase of firearms. People have lost confidence that the cops will do their jobs in a timely manner.

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Yup. Who knew Texas badge toters were a bunch of pansies?

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/officers-waited-engage-texas-school-shooter-because-they-could-have-been-shot-official

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Short of banning guns outright, which is fantasy, I don't know what gets us out of this bloody cycle, but I'm sure it's not any single thing. I'd like to see funding for more school security for certain. Universal background checks seem like a good idea on the face of it, although I don't know all the wrinkles. Better access to mental health care seems essential. Outlawing assault rifles, semiautomatics, and large magazines seems like a no brainer. Whatever the answer is, it isn't what we're doing now.

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Dog this is not specifically directed at you, but your comment prompted my response.

I have for the most part stayed out of this conversation as the usual suspects are attacking everyone. I have see this comment several times in the news media and other outlets. I would like to preface that I am prior military and I have been using firearms all of my life.

There is no such thing as an Assault Rifle. Assault is an action. I can have an Assault Rock, Assault Knife, or Assault scissors. There are "Military Style" rifles that are commercially available and firearms that "look scary" but are not Military Grade. There are many folks that are out there that hear AR-15 and assume that the AR stand for Assault Rifle. It does not. It is short for ArmaLite Rifle. It is a popular shooting platform and several other firearms manufacturers have adopted the platform. Also, there is a large misconception as it relates to "Semiautomatic" firearms. All this means is that there is a mechanical replacement of the round. For instance, my 12 gauge shotgun is a semiautomatic firearm. Each time I pull the trigger, the spent shell is ejected and a new shell is inserted. This is the same for rifles and pistols. Full automatic is when you do not have to pull the trigger each time to have a new casing inserted.

Also there is a BIG misconception when it comes to fully automatic weapons. If you have ever fired a weapon on fully automatic mode, you know that the aim is TERRIBLE. All you are doing is wasting ammo. There is a reason that machine gunners are trained to fire in 3-5 round burst and the M4 and M16A2 rifles have "burst" and not full auto. Yes, semi automatic firearms can be converted to full automatic. However, this is difficult and can cause issues with the mechanical workings of the firearms.

This statement is in no way a meant to defend anything that happened. There is a lot of rhetoric out there right now and a lot of people who don't know what they are talking about that have loud mouths and platforms. I am truly outraged by what happened. There is no way this individual should have been able to carry out this heinous act. I told some friends at work when this happened that we are going to find out that many things in the system broke down that allowed this to happen. I also told them that I guarantee this individual was known by police and there is evidence of mental health issues. I don't believe that NEW laws are the right way to go. Like in many cases, we simply need to enforce the laws that we have. Don't punish law abiding citizens because criminals break the law. Just remember, when seconds matter, the police are only minutes away.

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That sir, is the post of the thread. Lots of ignorance on these forums about weapons. As you mentioned, every weapon is an assault weapon. I was going to respond to that, but you did a fine job and much better than I would have. Thanks for your service also.

One of my solutions would be to put ex-military in the schools, pay them well and arm then with what they want. These shootings will stop. Police may be trained, and it may be the case they stood down in this situation waiting on SWAT teams. The military guys will run to the fight. I would hope most police officers would, but right now just not so sure.

Thanks for your service and also for this post.

When the late Jesse Helms was alive and doing commentary on then watchable wral tv, guest commentary such as you provided here regarding firearms would have been most welcome. Hell, it should be today. Folks don't know what they don't know. Education is a powerful tool.

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Short of banning guns outright, which is fantasy, I don't know what gets us out of this bloody cycle, but I'm sure it's not any single thing. I'd like to see funding for more school security for certain. Universal background checks seem like a good idea on the face of it, although I don't know all the wrinkles. Better access to mental health care seems essential. Outlawing assault rifles, semiautomatics, and large magazines seems like a no brainer. Whatever the answer is, it isn't what we're doing now.

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Dog this is not specifically directed at you, but your comment prompted my response.

I have for the most part stayed out of this conversation as the usual suspects are attacking everyone. I have see this comment several times in the news media and other outlets. I would like to preface that I am prior military and I have been using firearms all of my life.

There is no such thing as an Assault Rifle. Assault is an action. I can have an Assault Rock, Assault Knife, or Assault scissors. There are "Military Style" rifles that are commercially available and firearms that "look scary" but are not Military Grade. There are many folks that are out there that hear AR-15 and assume that the AR stand for Assault Rifle. It does not. It is short for ArmaLite Rifle. It is a popular shooting platform and several other firearms manufacturers have adopted the platform. Also, there is a large misconception as it relates to "Semiautomatic" firearms. All this means is that there is a mechanical replacement of the round. For instance, my 12 gauge shotgun is a semiautomatic firearm. Each time I pull the trigger, the spent shell is ejected and a new shell is inserted. This is the same for rifles and pistols. Full automatic is when you do not have to pull the trigger each time to have a new casing inserted.

Also there is a BIG misconception when it comes to fully automatic weapons. If you have ever fired a weapon on fully automatic mode, you know that the aim is TERRIBLE. All you are doing is wasting ammo. There is a reason that machine gunners are trained to fire in 3-5 round burst and the M4 and M16A2 rifles have "burst" and not full auto. Yes, semi automatic firearms can be converted to full automatic. However, this is difficult and can cause issues with the mechanical workings of the firearms.

This statement is in no way a meant to defend anything that happened. There is a lot of rhetoric out there right now and a lot of people who don't know what they are talking about that have loud mouths and platforms. I am truly outraged by what happened. There is no way this individual should have been able to carry out this heinous act. I told some friends at work when this happened that we are going to find out that many things in the system broke down that allowed this to happen. I also told them that I guarantee this individual was known by police and there is evidence of mental health issues. I don't believe that NEW laws are the right way to go. Like in many cases, we simply need to enforce the laws that we have. Don't punish law abiding citizens because criminals break the law. Just remember, when seconds matter, the police are only minutes away.

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This is a great post.

Thanks for the info, and for your service.

The more we learn about the police response, the worse it sounds like it was bungled.

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The more we learn about the police response, the worse it sounds like it was bungled.

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And I know real time info we demand today is often inaccurate (expectedly so), but the variances in events and timing is really a bad look at this point.

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Outlawing assault rifles, semiautomatics, and large magazines seems like a no brainer.

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Will never happen, nor should it. I would certainly never turn mine in. Perhaps you just don't know what you're talking about as it pertains to guns, but this 100% is they're coming for your guns. Would do zero to curb these things from happening. Would be one of those feel good to the left gestures that just does nothing at best or makes things worse.

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I agree with you here. There are too many guns in circulation now both legally and illegally for any sort of gun ban to work. Where I would compromise would be the discontinuation of sale of large magazines. That I'd be willing to listen to. That would potentially have an impact to maybe save a life.

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I would be at the Gun Store as soon as this legislation started gaining momentum.

Buy, Buy, Buy!!!

I have three 30 round magazines for my AR15. They don't last forever; so, I would want more, just for reserve. Not that I'm carrying a bunch of magazines with me. In fact, when I do go to the range, I never take multiple magazines for my rifle. When it come to my pistols, I do keep multiple magazines with me. I always have a magazine loaded with Critical Defense ammo for my Hellcat (everyday carry and soon to be my conceal carry). Other magazines arerange shooting, not loaded and stored.

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what's the point of having a 30 round magazine? This isn't 'Nam.

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Remember, this guy has been talking a new civil war. Lord have mercy

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God chimes in again!

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ha, thanks for the confidence, but he is all knowing, and I am not. But I can read your posts and you've said plenty to tell who you are. Pretty easy stuff, really.

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Judging! Like I said, you think you're God

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Outlawing assault rifles, semiautomatics, and large magazines seems like a no brainer.

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Will never happen, nor should it. I would certainly never turn mine in. Perhaps you just don't know what you're talking about as it pertains to guns, but this 100% is they're coming for your guns. Would do zero to curb these things from happening. Would be one of those feel good to the left gestures that just does nothing at best or makes things worse.

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I agree with you here. There are too many guns in circulation now both legally and illegally for any sort of gun ban to work. Where I would compromise would be the discontinuation of sale of large magazines. That I'd be willing to listen to. That would potentially have an impact to maybe save a life.

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I would be at the Gun Store as soon as this legislation started gaining momentum.

Buy, Buy, Buy!!!

I have three 30 round magazines for my AR15. They don't last forever; so, I would want more, just for reserve. Not that I'm carrying a bunch of magazines with me. In fact, when I do go to the range, I never take multiple magazines for my rifle. When it come to my pistols, I do keep multiple magazines with me. I always have a magazine loaded with Critical Defense ammo for my Hellcat (everyday carry and soon to be my conceal carry). Other magazines arerange shooting, not loaded and stored.

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what's the point of having a 30 round magazine? This isn't 'Nam.

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Remember, this guy has been talking a new civil war. Lord have mercy

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ha, thanks for the confidence, but he is all knowing, and I am not. But I can read your posts and you've said plenty to tell who you are. Pretty easy stuff, really.

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Judging! Like I said, you think you're God

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LOL. Grow up man. You brag about begging for BBW and all the clown-show he brings to come back, and you're worried about people judging on here?

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The more we learn about the police response, the worse it sounds like it was bungled.

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And I know real time info we demand today is often inaccurate (expectedly so), but the variances in events and timing is really a bad look at this point.

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Guaranteed there is a ton of CYA going on right now in that department.

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The more we learn about the police response, the worse it sounds like it was bungled.

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And I know real time info we demand today is often inaccurate (expectedly so), but the variances in events and timing is really a bad look at this point.

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Guaranteed there is a ton of CYA going on right now in that department.

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And at the governor's mansion. Those guys (regardless of party) want to look like they are in control and telling the wrong story doesn't help.

Still unfolding, but the whole thing from signs ignored to order of events seems really butchered

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Outlawing assault rifles, semiautomatics, and large magazines seems like a no brainer.

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Will never happen, nor should it. I would certainly never turn mine in. Perhaps you just don't know what you're talking about as it pertains to guns, but this 100% is they're coming for your guns. Would do zero to curb these things from happening. Would be one of those feel good to the left gestures that just does nothing at best or makes things worse.

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I agree with you here. There are too many guns in circulation now both legally and illegally for any sort of gun ban to work. Where I would compromise would be the discontinuation of sale of large magazines. That I'd be willing to listen to. That would potentially have an impact to maybe save a life.

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I would be at the Gun Store as soon as this legislation started gaining momentum.

Buy, Buy, Buy!!!

I have three 30 round magazines for my AR15. They don't last forever; so, I would want more, just for reserve. Not that I'm carrying a bunch of magazines with me. In fact, when I do go to the range, I never take multiple magazines for my rifle. When it come to my pistols, I do keep multiple magazines with me. I always have a magazine loaded with Critical Defense ammo for my Hellcat (everyday carry and soon to be my conceal carry). Other magazines arerange shooting, not loaded and stored.

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what's the point of having a 30 round magazine? This isn't 'Nam.

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Remember, this guy has been talking a new civil war. Lord have mercy

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ha, thanks for the confidence, but he is all knowing, and I am not. But I can read your posts and you've said plenty to tell who you are. Pretty easy stuff, really.

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Judging! Like I said, you think you're God

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LOL. Grow up man. You brag about begging for BBW and all the clown-show he brings to come back, and you're worried about people judging on here?

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You're such a condescending (fill in the blank). Chem, I don't have to brag about anything. You, on the other hand are all knowing!

People like you keep real debate from happening! Your absolutism makes, people like me, put up a wall and think…

Yea, go (fill the blank) yourself…

Now, create your narrative about my holier than thou persona not living up to my Christian standard, etc, etc, etc…

Again, well, you know…

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The issue really has nothing to do with gun laws either. The issue is our propensity to make terrible choices in this country while trying to justify those choices with idiotic rationalizations made for political power.

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I often ask myself why I keep coming back to the WC to wade through all the constant bs, but then I read comments like this one. Well done, sir.

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The issue really has nothing to do with gun laws either. The issue is our propensity to make terrible choices in this country while trying to justify those choices with idiotic rationalizations made for political power.

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I often ask myself why I keep coming back to the WC to wade through all the constant bs, but then I read comments like this one. Well done, sir.

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Here's the thing though. Every nation has people on the edge from a mental perspective. I have to think all of Europe is well in front of the US in liberal teaching (have been for years) and the much aligned "participation trophies". Every country has leaders who make decisions purely for political reasons. Surely, every country has people who are ostracized and treated badly by peers, or on the internet, etc.

But we are unique in these mass shootings.

So I hope when real debate starts amongst our leaders, one of the first questions is "what is it that is unique about us amongst developed countries" that leads to these slaughters, amd how do we curtail them.

If it was only "the people" who make poor decisions, wouldn't the law of averages say this would occur in o our peer nations?

But instead, what will predictably happen is, like we see here, hardliners will entrench, everyone will find something else at fault, we'll talk about mental health and hardening schools, everyone will forget, and then sometime later, another one will happen because exactly NOTHING will have changed

I don't really want to comment on gun control in general. What happened is a horribly gruesome and senseless, needless, mind numbing tragedy for which I have no answers. Just sadness mixed with an inability to understand *** is wrong with people. My appreciation for his thought is more of a generalization to so many things in American society, which to your point, is both beautifully and sometimes tragically very different from our world peers.

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The issue really has nothing to do with gun laws either. The issue is our propensity to make terrible choices in this country while trying to justify those choices with idiotic rationalizations made for political power.

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I often ask myself why I keep coming back to the WC to wade through all the constant bs, but then I read comments like this one. Well done, sir.

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Or because of my scintillating charm and panache?

True dat, souljer

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I don't really want to comment on gun control in general. What happened is a horribly gruesome and senseless, needless, mind numbing tragedy for which I have no answers. Just sadness mixed with an inability to understand *** is wrong with people. My appreciation for his thought is more of a generalization to so many things in American society, which to your point, is both beautifully and sometimes tragically very different from our world peers.

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We agree!

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Short of banning guns outright, which is fantasy, I don't know what gets us out of this bloody cycle, but I'm sure it's not any single thing. I'd like to see funding for more school security for certain. Universal background checks seem like a good idea on the face of it, although I don't know all the wrinkles. Better access to mental health care seems essential. Outlawing assault rifles, semiautomatics, and large magazines seems like a no brainer. Whatever the answer is, it isn't what we're doing now.

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Dog this is not specifically directed at you, but your comment prompted my response.

I have for the most part stayed out of this conversation as the usual suspects are attacking everyone. I have see this comment several times in the news media and other outlets. I would like to preface that I am prior military and I have been using firearms all of my life.

There is no such thing as an Assault Rifle. Assault is an action. I can have an Assault Rock, Assault Knife, or Assault scissors. There are "Military Style" rifles that are commercially available and firearms that "look scary" but are not Military Grade. There are many folks that are out there that hear AR-15 and assume that the AR stand for Assault Rifle. It does not. It is short for ArmaLite Rifle. It is a popular shooting platform and several other firearms manufacturers have adopted the platform. Also, there is a large misconception as it relates to "Semiautomatic" firearms. All this means is that there is a mechanical replacement of the round. For instance, my 12 gauge shotgun is a semiautomatic firearm. Each time I pull the trigger, the spent shell is ejected and a new shell is inserted. This is the same for rifles and pistols. Full automatic is when you do not have to pull the trigger each time to have a new casing inserted.

Also there is a BIG misconception when it comes to fully automatic weapons. If you have ever fired a weapon on fully automatic mode, you know that the aim is TERRIBLE. All you are doing is wasting ammo. There is a reason that machine gunners are trained to fire in 3-5 round burst and the M4 and M16A2 rifles have "burst" and not full auto. Yes, semi automatic firearms can be converted to full automatic. However, this is difficult and can cause issues with the mechanical workings of the firearms.

This statement is in no way a meant to defend anything that happened. There is a lot of rhetoric out there right now and a lot of people who don't know what they are talking about that have loud mouths and platforms. I am truly outraged by what happened. There is no way this individual should have been able to carry out this heinous act. I told some friends at work when this happened that we are going to find out that many things in the system broke down that allowed this to happen. I also told them that I guarantee this individual was known by police and there is evidence of mental health issues. I don't believe that NEW laws are the right way to go. Like in many cases, we simply need to enforce the laws that we have. Don't punish law abiding citizens because criminals break the law. Just remember, when seconds matter, the police are only minutes away.

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Thanks for the thoughtful and civil response. I appreciate that, even if not directed at me!

Sure, you can commit assault with anything from a rock to a machine gun. But I thought when people say "assault rifle" or "assault-style rifle" it was understood they're referring to the AR-15 and similar makes. At least, that's what I was referencing. It seems to be a weapon of choice for mass shootings over the years. I assume it's chosen because it fires high energy rounds very quickly. It's designed to function like a military weapon after all.

My thinking, as an obvious non-gun-owner , is that banning this style of weapon would not reduce the frequency of mass shootings (that has other solutions) but would help reduce severity. All else equal, mass shootings will still happen but maybe the death toll won't be so bad considering the difference in energy between an AR-15 and a hand gun. I fully admit I could be wrong about that - semiautomatic pistols are popular, too - but I think there are at least some studies to support it. Maybe more study is needed. Maybe that's where we can spend some bipartisan money.

I realize many gun owners would interpret a ban as "punishment" for the acts of a few sick people. I get that - I really do. I'd like to convince them that a assault-style weapon ban would be aimed at a greater good and that the right to own a gun for sport and self defense would still exist. I doubt I would be convincing, though!

I won't drag out the weapons ban discussion beyond this response. It's just a part of what I feel like might be something of a solution, in addition to mental health care access, school security, etc. As someone noted earlier, people are people and yet we seem to be the only country in the world plagued by mass shootings. What are the deltas?

Thanks for your service and everyone enjoy a fun & safe weekend!

What does everyone think of this rifle?

The latest report from National Review indicated that the Uvalde police chief ordered his men to stand down. The border patrol officers finally ignored the police and breached the classroom where the killed the shooter.

Another detail came out as well. The shooter shot into the school several times as he walked along the outside looking for an entrance point. He entered through a door that had been propped open by a teacher. My guess is one of those teachers is a smoker who couldn't let the door close and be locked out between classes.

There were so many opportunities to prevent this tragedy or at least reduce its magnitude.

Student calls to 911:
12:03—whispered she's in room 112
12:10—said multiple dead
12:13—called again
12:16—says 8-9 students alive
12:19—student calls from room 111
12:21—3 shots heard on call
12:36—another call
12:43—asks for police
12:47—asks for policehttps://t.co/CzkuF1llq1

— Mike Baker (@ByMikeBaker) May 27, 2022

What do you do when a 15 year old writes something like this?

[O]ne day, as I was driving home from work, I noticed two children crossing the street. They were happy, happy to be free from their troubles. I knew, however, that this happiness and sense of freedom were much too overwhelming for them. This happiness was mine by right. I had earned it in my dreams.

As I neared the young ones, I put all my weight on my right foot, keeping the accelerator pedal on the floor until I heard the crashing of the two children on the hood, and then the sharp cry of pain from one of the two. I was so fascinated for a moment, that when after I had stopped my vehicle, I just sat in a daze, sweet visions filling my head.

Do you report this person? Should this person be on a list so they can't buy a gun?

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Student calls to 911:
12:03—whispered she's in room 112
12:10—said multiple dead
12:13—called again
12:16—says 8-9 students alive
12:19—student calls from room 111
12:21—3 shots heard on call
12:36—another call
12:43—asks for police
12:47—asks for policehttps://t.co/CzkuF1llq1

— Mike Baker (@ByMikeBaker) May 27, 2022

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Goodness. What terror those kids went thru

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The latest report from National Review indicated that the Uvalde police chief ordered his men to stand down. The border patrol officers finally ignored the police and breached the classroom where the killed the shooter.

Another detail came out as well. The shooter shot into the school several times as he walked along the outside looking for an entrance point. He entered through a door that had been propped open by a teacher. My guess is one of those teachers is a smoker who couldn't let the door close and be locked out between classes.

There were so many opportunities to prevent this tragedy or at least reduce its magnitude.

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The latest report from National Review indicated that the Uvalde police chief ordered his men to stand down. The border patrol officers finally ignored the police and breached the classroom where the killed the shooter.

Another detail came out as well. The shooter shot into the school several times as he walked along the outside looking for an entrance point. He entered through a door that had been propped open by a teacher. My guess is one of those teachers is a smoker who couldn't let the door close and be locked out between classes.

There were so many opportunities to prevent this tragedy or at least reduce its magnitude.

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So terrible. Looking more and more bad for the Uvalde police in the way this was handled. Unfortunate that some people will politicize that as "police" in general.

My wife's school is locked down pretty good. The only place I'm not certain about is the cafeteria staff entrance. Every other entry is always locked. Her principal, this week after the shooting, reiterated keeping the classrooms locked, which my wife said they were pretty lax about with all of the supplemental staff coming in and out of classrooms testing and pulling kids in and out. I was glad the principal got on them about that though. Lots of crazy parents at her school.

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I think I'm sorry Christmas is still months away.

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Squirrel Assault Rifle. Should be outlawed. So scary. Why would you ever need that high capacity 25 round magazine??

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What do you do when a 15 year old writes something like this?

[O]ne day, as I was driving home from work, I noticed two children crossing the street. They were happy, happy to be free from their troubles. I knew, however, that this happiness and sense of freedom were much too overwhelming for them. This happiness was mine by right. I had earned it in my dreams.

As I neared the young ones, I put all my weight on my right foot, keeping the accelerator pedal on the floor until I heard the crashing of the two children on the hood, and then the sharp cry of pain from one of the two. I was so fascinated for a moment, that when after I had stopped my vehicle, I just sat in a daze, sweet visions filling my head.

Do you report this person? Should this person be on a list so they can't buy a gun?

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It should be reported and they should evaluated. If they're deemed mentally unstable, then yes they should be flagged.

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The latest report from National Review indicated that the Uvalde police chief ordered his men to stand down. The border patrol officers finally ignored the police and breached the classroom where the killed the shooter.

Another detail came out as well. The shooter shot into the school several times as he walked along the outside looking for an entrance point. He entered through a door that had been propped open by a teacher. My guess is one of those teachers is a smoker who couldn't let the door close and be locked out between classes.

There were so many opportunities to prevent this tragedy or at least reduce its magnitude.

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I heard a news report yesterday that the teacher that propped the door open had stepped outside to make a phone call and did not close the door behind her. True or false, that what was reported yesterday.

Yes, that's another plausible explanation. That's a real shame either way. Of course, the police chief made an awful decision and has to live with the guilt.