https://abc11.com/uvalde-texas-robb-elementary-school-active-shooter-district-lockdown/11889693/?ex_cid=TA_WTVD_FB&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A%20Trending%20Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1Ag39WKEQTso6uJ1NbadtYSzE6Ia4gtB0NK4X41H_wejFx1aOy4NTeBhk

Another Government set up y'all? (That's my sarcasm font)

15 have died in a shooting at Robb elementary school, according to Gov. Greg Abbott.

Abbott said that the shooter killed 14 students and 1 teacher

— Paul LeBlanc (@CNNPaul) May 24, 2022

This country has a issue. It's keeping people with mental illness away from not just guns but knives and such. I don't have the answer. I'm pro gun but something has to be done.

Less guns? Problem solved. I don't understand the issue.

But, congrats to all the Pro Lifers! Now I'm scared for my kid to go to the store *or* school! Job well done.

Everyone is yelling into the void so loud about border crossings, socialism, and other **** you see on your uncle's Facebook page that this goes unchecked. The bodies in Buffalo aren't even cold yet, but congratulations on your new second amendment car sticker.

Glasswolf said:

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This country has a issue. It's keeping people with mental illness away from not just guns but knives and such. I don't have the answer. I'm pro gun but something has to be done.

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Very true -- but for so many people, including some who post here, doing anything about guns is a non-starter, and so nothing ever gets done.
Plus, you know, "guns don't kill people".

Packchem91 said:

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Glasswolf said:

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This country has a issue. It's keeping people with mental illness away from not just guns but knives and such. I don't have the answer. I'm pro gun but something has to be done.

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Very true -- but for so many people, including some who post here, doing anything about guns is a non-starter, and so nothing ever gets done.
Plus, you know, "guns don't kill people".

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My thing is, just today in Texas, 15 people died in a place that's supposed to be safe. And if guns don't kill people let's ban bullets

PackBacker07 said:

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Less guns? Problem solved. I don't understand the issue.

But, congrats to all the Pro Lifers! Now I'm scared for my kid to go to the store *or* school! Job well done.

Everyone is yelling into the void so loud about border crossings, socialism, and other **** you see on your uncle's Facebook page that this goes unchecked. The bodies in Buffalo aren't even cold yet, but congratulations on your new second amendment car sticker.

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This is always you guys solution to everything, how about the role mental health plays in this?? It's not just the guns, it should be a broader solution to include mental health, tougher security at schools and yes sensible gun laws.

We can't tie mental health to background checks (which is sorely needed] because you guys scream hippa.

Glasswolf said:

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https://abc11.com/uvalde-texas-robb-elementary-school-active-shooter-district-lockdown/11889693/?ex_cid=TA_WTVD_FB&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A%20Trending%20Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1Ag39WKEQTso6uJ1NbadtYSzE6Ia4gtB0NK4X41H_wejFx1aOy4NTeBhk

Another Government set up y'all? (That's my sarcasm font)

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This is disgusting

jkpackfan said:

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PackBacker07 said:

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Less guns? Problem solved. I don't understand the issue.

But, congrats to all the Pro Lifers! Now I'm scared for my kid to go to the store *or* school! Job well done.

Everyone is yelling into the void so loud about border crossings, socialism, and other **** you see on your uncle's Facebook page that this goes unchecked. The bodies in Buffalo aren't even cold yet, but congratulations on your new second amendment car sticker.

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This is always you guys solution to everything, how about the role mental health plays in this?? It's not just the guns, it should be a broader solution to include mental health, tougher security at schools and yes sensible gun laws.

We can't tie mental health to background checks (which is sorely needed] because you guys scream hippa.

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The dude that did the Buffalo shooting had a mental health evaluation. What good did it do? And I've never said less guns. I've just said we can't offer thoughts and prayers then bury our heads in the sand until the next mass shooting at a school, a mall, a church or anywhere

I think Congress should remove the 2nd Amendment from the Constitution.

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https://abc11.com/uvalde-texas-robb-elementary-school-active-shooter-district-lockdown/11889693/?ex_cid=TA_WTVD_FB&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A%20Trending%20Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1Ag39WKEQTso6uJ1NbadtYSzE6Ia4gtB0NK4X41H_wejFx1aOy4NTeBhk

Another Government set up y'all? (That's my sarcasm font)

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This is disgusting

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I mean.....14 kids died today. Shot by a guy empowered with a gun (i know, I know, GP will be along soon to suggest he could have jsut as easily used a knife).

Is there really anything more disgusting than that?

The shooter was an 18 yr old student of the nearby high school. He killed his grandmother this morning before going to the elementary school to shoot at kids. He is certainly a sick kid.

I think the solution for schools is armed officers on the grounds at all times. Our local church has armed officers on the grounds during all services. We also have armed plainclothes guys available at every service. You wouldn't believe how often our pastor gets death threats. There are some very sick folks out there but I don't see how disarming the law abiding citizens would solve anything. Shooters usually choose situations where they expect little to no resistance. Having armed officers on school grounds would make those locations less enticing for this stupidity.

Here's one solution. You don't set up "gun free zones" like schools. Why? Because those are sitting duck targets for a sick criminal looking to do something like this.

Do you think someone like this would think twice about trying to do this at a police station? Or how about at a gun range? No. Why? Because they know they would be met with deadly force from good guys with guns.

What eventually stops a guy shooting up a school? Good guys with guns. Guns are not the problem. Guns are a tool. The problem is we have a sick society that does not value human life. When you are taught by Hollywood and the Establishment media and the Marxist-controlled public schools that "there is no God" and "we all came into existence by random chance by evolution", that doesn't exactly instill a respect for human life. And then when you teach that it's ok to murder unborn children in abortions, that outright tells people that human life has no value.

Number one, you need deterrence. You need to have MORE armed good guys everywhere. Abolish "gun free" zones. Allow teachers, principals, and other adults at the school to be armed.

Next, you need to HARSHLY punish criminals who do commit crimes. The death penalty need to be re-instated and used in force. And no drawn out process. Execute them swiftly (within days). Bring back public executions.

Then...you need to establish a culture that values human life. Not a culture established by the Marxist Left that says it's ok to murder unborn children, and says humans are a "cancer" on the earth that need to be culled to "save us from global warming", etc.

But you're not going to take away my 2nd Amendment rights because some criminals are out there committing crimes with guns. How many lives are protected and saved by guns? Much more than those killed in crimes.

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PackBacker07 said:

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Less guns? Problem solved. I don't understand the issue.

But, congrats to all the Pro Lifers! Now I'm scared for my kid to go to the store *or* school! Job well done.

Everyone is yelling into the void so loud about border crossings, socialism, and other **** you see on your uncle's Facebook page that this goes unchecked. The bodies in Buffalo aren't even cold yet, but congratulations on your new second amendment car sticker.

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This is always you guys solution to everything, how about the role mental health plays in this?? It's not just the guns, it should be a broader solution to include mental health, tougher security at schools and yes sensible gun laws.

We can't tie mental health to background checks (which is sorely needed] because you guys scream hippa.

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The dude that did the Buffalo shooting had a mental health evaluation. What good did it do? And I've never said less guns. I've just said we can't offer thoughts and prayers then bury our heads in the sand until the next mass shooting at a school, a mall, a church or anywhere

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I didn't say you did and I agree with you…I'm open to anything that could prevent these tragedies from happening.

I do think anyone that kills children should get the death penalty.

Parkland had 2 good guys with a gun that were cowards, not sure that's much of a solution.

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https://abc11.com/uvalde-texas-robb-elementary-school-active-shooter-district-lockdown/11889693/?ex_cid=TA_WTVD_FB&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A%20Trending%20Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1Ag39WKEQTso6uJ1NbadtYSzE6Ia4gtB0NK4X41H_wejFx1aOy4NTeBhk

Another Government set up y'all? (That's my sarcasm font)

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This is disgusting

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I mean.....14 kids died today. Shot by a guy empowered with a gun (i know, I know, GP will be along soon to suggest he could have jsut as easily used a knife).

Is there really anything more disgusting than that?

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This is all you have? Really?

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Parkland had 2 good guys with a gun that were cowards, not sure that's much of a solution.

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Sorry, I have no idea what you are referencing.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/deputies-fired-over-florida-school-massacre-get-jobs-back-judge-n1267373

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Glasswolf said:

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This country has a issue. It's keeping people with mental illness away from not just guns but knives and such. I don't have the answer. I'm pro gun but something has to be done.

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Very true -- but for so many people, including some who post here, doing anything about guns is a non-starter, and so nothing ever gets done.
Plus, you know, "guns don't kill people".

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and pencils don't misspell words…

And 28 people were killed in South Chicago this past weekend. Listen, this is a horrible situation and really needs to be addressed. I think the idea that we need more gun control is the easy answer.

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Packchem91 said:

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Glasswolf said:

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This country has a issue. It's keeping people with mental illness away from not just guns but knives and such. I don't have the answer. I'm pro gun but something has to be done.

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Very true -- but for so many people, including some who post here, doing anything about guns is a non-starter, and so nothing ever gets done.
Plus, you know, "guns don't kill people".

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and pencils don't misspell words…

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misspelled words don't kill. I don't want guns banned. Never have never will. But something has to be done. Best thing is the punk that did this killing will never hurt anyone again.

Sad thing is even at my church in Raleigh, we have people that run a security detail around our church at every service. Doors are locked from the outside so no one can get in once the service started. What sounds right or safe about that statement? I can't worship and not feel safe?

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Packchem91 said:

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Glasswolf said:

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This country has a issue. It's keeping people with mental illness away from not just guns but knives and such. I don't have the answer. I'm pro gun but something has to be done.

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Very true -- but for so many people, including some who post here, doing anything about guns is a non-starter, and so nothing ever gets done.
Plus, you know, "guns don't kill people".

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and pencils don't misspell words…

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Powerful stuff. I would have said what a stupid comparison, but I'm trying to be polite

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Packchem91 said:

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Glasswolf said:

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This country has a issue. It's keeping people with mental illness away from not just guns but knives and such. I don't have the answer. I'm pro gun but something has to be done.

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Very true -- but for so many people, including some who post here, doing anything about guns is a non-starter, and so nothing ever gets done.
Plus, you know, "guns don't kill people".

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and pencils don't misspell words…

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misspelled words don't kill. I don't want guns banned. Never have never will. But something has to be done. Best thing is the punk that did this killing will never hurt anyone again.

Sad thing is even at my church in Raleigh, we have people that run a security detail around our church at every service. Doors are locked from the outside so no one can get in once the service started. What sounds right or safe about that statement? I can't worship and not feel safe?

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Glass, we have a divided society. It is more and more polarized the further we get from local government. When government gets pushed up, the more we get polarized.

If guns are responsible for crime, then spoons are responsible for making people fat.

Around 30,000 people are killed in car accidents in the United States every year. That's more than the ~19,000 gun homicides per year (many of which are suicides). Why is there never a discussion from the Left about banning cars, or more "automobile control", or making sure reckless drivers (DUI, etc) are more likely to be kept off the road? There is none. But there is an astronomical obsession from the Left to ban guns, for much more stringent gun control, etc.

The Left doesn't care that 600,000+ unborn children are massacred in abortions every year in the United States. So how is it that they supposedly become these "bleeding hear humanitarians" every time there is a well-publicized school shooting?

Is it really about "saving lives"?

Or is it about furthering a totalitarian agenda, and disarming the population?

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Packchem91 said:

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Glasswolf said:

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This country has a issue. It's keeping people with mental illness away from not just guns but knives and such. I don't have the answer. I'm pro gun but something has to be done.

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Very true -- but for so many people, including some who post here, doing anything about guns is a non-starter, and so nothing ever gets done.
Plus, you know, "guns don't kill people".

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and pencils don't misspell words…

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Powerful stuff. I would have said what a stupid comparison, but I'm trying to be polite

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Sure you would….

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The shooter was an 18 yr old student of the nearby high school. He killed his grandmother this morning before going to the elementary school to shoot at kids. He is certainly a sick kid.

I think the solution for schools is armed officers on the grounds at all times. Our local church has armed officers on the grounds during all services. We also have armed plainclothes guys available at every service. You wouldn't believe how often our pastor gets death threats. There are some very sick folks out there but I don't see how disarming the law abiding citizens would solve anything. Shooters usually choose situations where they expect little to no resistance. Having armed officers on school grounds would make those locations less enticing for this stupidity.

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Is there a more 2020s statement than advertising for armed guards at all schools and modeling it after a church protection. Lord have mercy.

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If guns are responsible for crime, then spoons are responsible for making people fat.

Around 30,000 people are killed in car accidents in the United States every year. That's more than the ~19,000 gun homicides per year (many of which are suicides). Why is there never a discussion from the Left about banning cars, or more "automobile control", or making sure reckless drivers (DUI, etc) are more likely to be kept off the road? There is none. But there is an astronomical obsession from the Left to ban guns, for much more stringent gun control, etc.

The Left doesn't care that 600,000+ unborn children are massacred in abortions every year in the United States. So how is it that they supposedly become these "bleeding hear humanitarians" every time there is a well-publicized school shooting?

Is it really about "saving lives"?

Or is it about furthering a totalitarian agenda, and disarming the population?

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Guns aren't responsible for killings. Guns in the wrong hands kill people. Cars don't kill people. Cars with the wrong people kill people. Spoons don't make people fat. People with as spoon and no self control make people fat

Abortion didn't start with Roe V Wade. Safe abortions did. I know you are anti abortion but are you anti death penalty?

In 1940s and 50s America, school children would take their firearms to school for gun safety classes and practice shooting.

And in 1940s and 50s America, there were no school shootings, and the crime rate was extremely low. And yet people were armed to the teeth, and guns were everywhere.

You look at society today. Some of the areas with the highest gun ownership (say a West Virginia) have the lowest crime. And meanwhile areas with the most strict gun control and outright bans on handguns (eg, Chicago) have the highest murder rates.

So what's the real problem here? It's not the prevalence of guns. It's the type of people and society you have. In a Christian society that values life, you have extremely low crime. In a sick society run by atheistic Marxist freaks, you devalue human life, and you have exploding levels of crime.

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Parkland had 2 good guys with a gun that were cowards, not sure that's much of a solution.

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Thanks for clarifying your reference. It absolutely sucks that the administrators waited beyond the 180 day limit to fire the incompetent officers.

What happened that day seems like a good illustration about guns. There was a criminal who shouldn't have used his gun and there were officers who should have used their guns. Those officers chose very poorly and deserve to be called cowards as you have said. If they had done their jobs, there may have been no loss of life in that scenario.

Is there a more sad statement than having to have armed people at church or schools? These are supposed to be safe places to worship and learn. When I was in HS the only guns were in the back glass of most pick up trucks. Never ever saw one brought into a school

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Is there a more sad statement than having to have armed people at church or schools? These are supposed to be safe places to worship and learn. When I was in HS the only guns were in the back glass of most pick up trucks. Never ever saw one brought into a school

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What do you think has changed since the early 70's when you were in high school?

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Glasswolf said:

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Is there a more sad statement than having to have armed people at church or schools? These are supposed to be safe places to worship and learn. When I was in HS the only guns were in the back glass of most pick up trucks. Never ever saw one brought into a school

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What do you think has changed since the early 70's when you were in high school?

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Exactly. It's not the prevalence of guns.

It's a sick society that says, for example, that it's ok to murder unborn children. And it's celebrated!!

What was it that happened in 1973?

PackFansXL said:

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Glasswolf said:

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Is there a more sad statement than having to have armed people at church or schools? These are supposed to be safe places to worship and learn. When I was in HS the only guns were in the back glass of most pick up trucks. Never ever saw one brought into a school

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What do you think has changed since the early 70's when you were in high school?

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I cannot directly relate this to gun violence but just a observation here. Teachers and parents are scared to death to administrate discipline students of any age. Safe spaces, time out things like that. If my mother had given me a spanking and child social services showed up at her door there was a great chance that social worker was totting a ass whipping too.

Bring back corporal punishment in school. There is a difference between a spanking and a beating.

PackBacker07 said:

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Less guns? Problem solved. I don't understand the issue.

But, congrats to all the Pro Lifers! Now I'm scared for my kid to go to the store *or* school! Job well done.

Everyone is yelling into the void so loud about border crossings, socialism, and other **** you see on your uncle's Facebook page that this goes unchecked. The bodies in Buffalo aren't even cold yet, but congratulations on your new second amendment car sticker.

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Nm. Sad I even acknowledged this piece of trash.

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Glasswolf said:

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Is there a more sad statement than having to have armed people at church or schools? These are supposed to be safe places to worship and learn. When I was in HS the only guns were in the back glass of most pick up trucks. Never ever saw one brought into a school

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What do you think has changed since the early 70's when you were in high school?

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A whole bunch of things - and I don't think even the most liberal person would argue human influences have changed from the 1940s and 1950s and 1970s. Hey, in the 1940s and 50s, we still made black people go to different bathrooms than us. So...things progress.

in most normal non-gun scenarios, we'd look for enhancements to make things safer. Add seat belts, lower speed limit, put "you're going to die" labels on cigarette packs.

But when 15 elementary kids get killed, gun amendment folks say, "just hire more security guards at churches and schools and give teachers big guns". We can't even afford teachers, and you want to hire 2-3 FT security guards at every. single. school in America, rather than make meaningful changes within the gun proliferation.
I'm sure we'll have lots of $$ to throw at top-notch security guards.