My boys will be happy. I'm not an NBA fan and didn't watch a whole game last year.....but they love that studio show that Barkley is a part of....and he seems to be taking on "iconic" level status from his role there.jadawson said:
Barkley not going to LIV
https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/34311717/charles-barkley-says-staying-turner-broadcasting-entertaining-liv-golf-interest
“DO IT FOR THE SAUDI ROYAL FAMILY!” a heckler yelled as Phil Mickelson prepared to hit his first shot at the LIV Golf event at Trump Bedminster. He had to step away from the ball.
— Steve Politi (@StevePoliti) July 29, 2022
and I wonder if he has been beheaded yet?Packchem91 said:
Now this is a funny line from golf crowd much better than the "get in the hole" guy“DO IT FOR THE SAUDI ROYAL FAMILY!” a heckler yelled as Phil Mickelson prepared to hit his first shot at the LIV Golf event at Trump Bedminster. He had to step away from the ball.
— Steve Politi (@StevePoliti) July 29, 2022
I wonder if this fan got escorted out
lol, thats also a funny line. Probably not, but some of Greg's ruffians may have left him a bruise or two.TheStorm said:and I wonder if he has been beheaded yet?Packchem91 said:
Now this is a funny line from golf crowd much better than the "get in the hole" guy“DO IT FOR THE SAUDI ROYAL FAMILY!” a heckler yelled as Phil Mickelson prepared to hit his first shot at the LIV Golf event at Trump Bedminster. He had to step away from the ball.
— Steve Politi (@StevePoliti) July 29, 2022
I wonder if this fan got escorted out
"It means everything to me that my kids can watch me not only fail, but win.”
— Chantel McCabe (@chantel_mccabe) July 31, 2022
Quote of the year. And it’s not even close. https://t.co/aAb6FeJ2mn
Chem, in general, I agree with you...Packchem91 said:
This quick post-win interview with Tony Finau is why the PGA Tour has the stuff that LIV can never approach. This guy was grinding on mini-tours for years making nothing, and even now, virtually nothing is guaranteed for him on the PGA Tour if he does not so well enough
Contrast to some guy name Jediah Morgan on the LIV Tour who finished 30th, 48th, and 48th out of only 48 golfers over 3 events and still won nearly $400k
Are you referring to the commissioner? If so, every major sport commissioner makes a ton of money. I don't understand that, but it seems common. The players though --- every year guys who've done well on the PGA in the past get bumped back to the Korn Ferry tour and do all that on their own dime, not a team's funding. That can be tough.caryking said:Chem, in general, I agree with you...Packchem91 said:
This quick post-win interview with Tony Finau is why the PGA Tour has the stuff that LIV can never approach. This guy was grinding on mini-tours for years making nothing, and even now, virtually nothing is guaranteed for him on the PGA Tour if he does not so well enough
Contrast to some guy name Jediah Morgan on the LIV Tour who finished 30th, 48th, and 48th out of only 48 golfers over 3 events and still won nearly $400k
My problem with the PGA is that some of those guys grinding to make a living is part of it; however, a non-profit CEO making 15M/year just looks exceedingly egregious when players, like you said, are grinding it out...
Not that I'm a fan of LIV; rather, it looks like, at some point, they will get a piece of the action, to be part of the tour... To me, It's kind of like the NCAA making so much money when the conferences and universities scramble to get TV deals to help their programs.
BTW, I believe in a free market; unfortunately, we, as consumers, allow the free market to run amuck with this type of stuff...
Yes! It has always looked a little out of proportion for a non-profit...Packchem91 said:Are you referring to the commissioner? If so, every major sport commissioner makes a ton of money. I don't understand that, but it seems common. The players though --- every year guys who've done well on the PGA in the past get bumped back to the Korn Ferry tour and do all that on their own dime, not a team's funding. That can be tough.caryking said:Chem, in general, I agree with you...Packchem91 said:
This quick post-win interview with Tony Finau is why the PGA Tour has the stuff that LIV can never approach. This guy was grinding on mini-tours for years making nothing, and even now, virtually nothing is guaranteed for him on the PGA Tour if he does not so well enough
Contrast to some guy name Jediah Morgan on the LIV Tour who finished 30th, 48th, and 48th out of only 48 golfers over 3 events and still won nearly $400k
My problem with the PGA is that some of those guys grinding to make a living is part of it; however, a non-profit CEO making 15M/year just looks exceedingly egregious when players, like you said, are grinding it out...
Not that I'm a fan of LIV; rather, it looks like, at some point, they will get a piece of the action, to be part of the tour... To me, It's kind of like the NCAA making so much money when the conferences and universities scramble to get TV deals to help their programs.
BTW, I believe in a free market; unfortunately, we, as consumers, allow the free market to run amuck with this type of stuff...
As for LIV....I'm still amazed how angry the golf media is about it. Collectively, they have clearly removed all professional pretenses of performing their jobs and just pile on everything about LIV. The current format of LIV does not appeal to me at all, but they've absolutely gotten a lot of more publicity from the media than from the guys playing.
So they wanted to play less, and weren't motivated by the money, until they realized they weren't going to be able to play more and possibly win more money? Is that what I'm reading here?TheStorm said:
Your guys will either lose completely, or they will get the $3.00 (treble damages) that the USFL got when they sued the NFL back in the '80's...
I'm just telling you ahead of time.
Probably so...Packchem91 said:So they wanted to play less, and weren't motivated by the money, until they realized they weren't going to be able to play more and possibly win more money? Is that what I'm reading here?TheStorm said:
Your guys will either lose completely, or they will get the $3.00 (treble damages) that the USFL got when they sued the NFL back in the '80's...
I'm just telling you ahead of time.
It certainly is. And frankly, I have no issue with them wanting cake and eating it too. You can't be told yes if you don't ask.caryking said:Probably so...Packchem91 said:So they wanted to play less, and weren't motivated by the money, until they realized they weren't going to be able to play more and possibly win more money? Is that what I'm reading here?TheStorm said:
Your guys will either lose completely, or they will get the $3.00 (treble damages) that the USFL got when they sued the NFL back in the '80's...
I'm just telling you ahead of time.
What about Bryson do you dislike?Packchem91 said:It certainly is. And frankly, I have no issue with them wanting cake and eating it too. You can't be told yes if you don't ask.caryking said:Probably so...Packchem91 said:So they wanted to play less, and weren't motivated by the money, until they realized they weren't going to be able to play more and possibly win more money? Is that what I'm reading here?TheStorm said:
Your guys will either lose completely, or they will get the $3.00 (treble damages) that the USFL got when they sued the NFL back in the '80's...
I'm just telling you ahead of time.
I do however, find it funny that so many of these guys used "family time" and "play less" as justifications for leaving, instead of just being honest....they are going to LIV because its great money. And if they could make even more money, they'll do that too, family time be damned.
Now, the fact Bryson nad Phil are involved in the lawsuit makes me want it to fail miserably.
Like most things with sports likes/dislikes, its sports-based. I'm assuming he's a fine guy to be around, I know he's cerebral and has a great knowledge of the history/greats of the game.caryking said:What about Bryson do you dislike?Packchem91 said:It certainly is. And frankly, I have no issue with them wanting cake and eating it too. You can't be told yes if you don't ask.caryking said:Probably so...Packchem91 said:So they wanted to play less, and weren't motivated by the money, until they realized they weren't going to be able to play more and possibly win more money? Is that what I'm reading here?TheStorm said:
Your guys will either lose completely, or they will get the $3.00 (treble damages) that the USFL got when they sued the NFL back in the '80's...
I'm just telling you ahead of time.
I do however, find it funny that so many of these guys used "family time" and "play less" as justifications for leaving, instead of just being honest....they are going to LIV because its great money. And if they could make even more money, they'll do that too, family time be damned.
Now, the fact Bryson nad Phil are involved in the lawsuit makes me want it to fail miserably.
JUST IN: Judge denies temporary restraining order on behalf of Gooch, Swafford & Jones.
— Rick Gehman (@RickRunGood) August 9, 2022
They will be not allowed to participate in the FedEx St. Jude Championship.
LIV will fail or will be a shell of itself, in a few years (my prediction). And, the PGA needs to do something about its NCAA type structure.jadawson said:
Also LIV lawyers made a few statements during the court session that directly contradict things that LIV PR and Greg Norman have been saying all year. Notably, tournament winnings are recouped by LIV against the contracts signed by the players. Which essentially means the guys that got the big deals from LIV have literally zero incentive to play well or win because they wont win any money from the tournaments.
Edit:
Also a particularly damning quote by the Judge considering one of the arguments by LIV players is the restrictive practices of the PGA Tour,
"These LIV contracts lock up these players in ways the PGA Tour never imagined. They are so restrictive".
Has there been a bigger heel in golf than Reed? Especially when you consider some of the actions of his wife and father-in-law, both of whom have been major thorns in the side of tour officials as well.TheStorm said:
Don't get caught cheating multiple times on camera and then you don't have people having to talk about you cheating and questioning your character. Overall, Reed has nothing to complain about in my opinion.
Phil Mickelson Should Not Have Had to Apologize: His Mistake Was to Even Talk to the Murderous Saudis! https://t.co/1EKgrFoN0v
— Larry Klayman (@LarryEKlayman) February 23, 2022
🧵Overview of changes announced to future scheduling and compensation
— PGA TOUR Communications (@PGATOURComms) August 24, 2022
Top players will commit to at least a 20-event PGA TOUR schedule (assuming they qualify), which includes: pic.twitter.com/Qb5HXMwOFL
Funny how the PGA Tour is changing now that LIV Golf has come around. Another one of the things Mickelson had been advocating for. Obviously the PGA is scared at this moment to be making these changes. It's a shame Jay Monohan wouldn't listen and maybe some of the acrimony could have been avoided.jadawson said:
PGA tour announced huge changes today.🧵Overview of changes announced to future scheduling and compensation
— PGA TOUR Communications (@PGATOURComms) August 24, 2022
Top players will commit to at least a 20-event PGA TOUR schedule (assuming they qualify), which includes: pic.twitter.com/Qb5HXMwOFL
Bigger purses, minimum salaries for exempt players, stipends for missed cuts among other things. Big win for the players
It is an odd scenario. This is something Phil (and likely others) had been pushing for for years.TheStorm said:
It's an even bigger shame that "your boy" Phil will be on the outside looking in - and that he has essentially ruined his legacy in the process...
I hope you noted the words "The Masters", "The PGA Championship", "The US Open" and "The Open Championship"... but maybe you don't quite understand the gist as of yet.
None of the LIV Golf guys will be permitted to play in those events next year... better "saddle up", because that's what is coming.