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Not sure why but numbers really seem to get Biden in trouble a lot.
I agree. Why are so many republican pundits/ex-politicians against Trump? One one say that they don't care for his rhetoric and it might be true. I contend that they don't like his tearing up the republican orthodoxy that's perpetuating or perpetuated what true conservatitism is about.IseWolf22 said:The big difference between Trump and Bush/Romney, is how many conservative politicians and media personalities have turned against him. The Bulwark or Lincoln Project never sprung up to fight against Bush's re-election.cowboypack02 said:Did the same thing to McCain and Ronmey as well when they were running for President.Pacfanweb said:They did the same thing to W.Civilized said:
If the MSM portrays our next pub president as negatively as they do Trump, IPS pubs can lambast me for being wrong. I'll eat a heaping pile of crow. He gets covered differently because he is different.
Only difference is, W didn't fight back like Trumps does, so it didn't get as petty and excessive as they are with Trump, but they covered W the same as they do Trump.
About the only difference is 9/11. They had to back off because W's handling of that was pretty awesome and he was very popular at that time and they knew the country didn't want to hear/see them bashing him....but as soon as enough time went by they went right back at him.
Trump gives it right back to them. Does it get into a nasty tit for tat that we could all do without...yes...but the media doesn't have any integrity in the whole matter. The fact of the matter is that if the media treated Trump like they treated Obama we would have to hear Trump talk about how they are all best friends.
Even when the Obama administration did things like spy on a reporter (James Rosen) no one in the media cared because of the letter behind the name.
Now, I'm not saying Trump is a true conservative by any means; however, I support the breaking down of the Republican Party as we have known it for years.
Because a lot of these people aren't true conservatives anyway. They were making money off of being "conservative leaders" and spouting principles that they knew would never be put into practice in government. They were also part of the establishment elite. The type of "intellectual conservatism" they believed in was more to enrich themselves. Republican party was weak and helpless and even assisted the left with more power. Trump took some conservative principles and combined it with populism and broke the GOP and reshaped it. In doing so he pissed off a lot of the country club elites, the "old guard" if you will. So of course they are going to come out against him. The fact they are promoting the left now should tell you where their principles really lie. They do it under the guise of "Trump's dangerous to democracy". Please.caryking said:I agree. Why are so many republican pundits/ex-politicians against Trump? One one say that they don't care for his rhetoric and it might be true. I contend that they don't like his tearing up the republican orthodoxy that's perpetuating or perpetuated what true conservatitism is about.IseWolf22 said:The big difference between Trump and Bush/Romney, is how many conservative politicians and media personalities have turned against him. The Bulwark or Lincoln Project never sprung up to fight against Bush's re-election.cowboypack02 said:Did the same thing to McCain and Ronmey as well when they were running for President.Pacfanweb said:They did the same thing to W.Civilized said:
If the MSM portrays our next pub president as negatively as they do Trump, IPS pubs can lambast me for being wrong. I'll eat a heaping pile of crow. He gets covered differently because he is different.
Only difference is, W didn't fight back like Trumps does, so it didn't get as petty and excessive as they are with Trump, but they covered W the same as they do Trump.
About the only difference is 9/11. They had to back off because W's handling of that was pretty awesome and he was very popular at that time and they knew the country didn't want to hear/see them bashing him....but as soon as enough time went by they went right back at him.
Trump gives it right back to them. Does it get into a nasty tit for tat that we could all do without...yes...but the media doesn't have any integrity in the whole matter. The fact of the matter is that if the media treated Trump like they treated Obama we would have to hear Trump talk about how they are all best friends.
Even when the Obama administration did things like spy on a reporter (James Rosen) no one in the media cared because of the letter behind the name.
Now, I'm not saying Trump is a true conservative by any means; however, I support the breaking down of the Republican Party as we have known it for years.
There is nothing conservative about the Republican party. There might be some conservatives in it, but they aren't much of a factor.
Our government has been drifting left for decades. When Dems are in charge, it speeds up, when Pubs are in charge is slows down, but it's always steadily to the left.
Used to be it would go back and forth depending on who was in charge, but now the only difference is if we're sprinting to the left like under Obama, or just jogging like under Bush or Trump.
Our government has been drifting left for decades. When Dems are in charge, it speeds up, when Pubs are in charge is slows down, but it's always steadily to the left.
Used to be it would go back and forth depending on who was in charge, but now the only difference is if we're sprinting to the left like under Obama, or just jogging like under Bush or Trump.
Because he is a walking vegetable.Steve Williams said:
Not sure why but numbers really seem to get Biden in trouble a lot.
I get no pleasure out of these videos of him fumbling and looking inept. Dude should be enjoying what time he has left with his family, not mucking around in politics and looking like a fool.Steve Williams said:
Not sure why but numbers really seem to get Biden in trouble a lot.
It's clear that he has no business working anywhere at this point, much less running for President.
It happens to everyone at some point. I don't think there's been anyone in the history of the Earth
that was competent enough at 78 to be just starting a job of this magnitude. If you were going to be that age
at the end of your time in the job, maybe, but not just beginning.
Pacfanweb said:
There is nothing conservative about the Republican party. There might be some conservatives in it, but they aren't much of a factor.
Our government has been drifting left for decades. When Dems are in charge, it speeds up, when Pubs are in charge is slows down, but it's always steadily to the left.
Used to be it would go back and forth depending on who was in charge, but now the only difference is if we're sprinting to the left like under Obama, or just jogging like under Bush or Trump.
This is a good description economically.
I think the Republican party remains largely conservative on primary social issues though, principally gun control and abortion. I don't see conservative stances on those two issues changing much, if at all, over time.
These people you're trashing have a better "conservative" record than Trump has. The GOP under Trump is arguably only conservative in relation to the Democrats. I agree he "broke" the GOP and reshaped it. But that breaking has resulted in a smaller party that has run off many in the republican tent including moderates and Libertarians. His best hope this year is that a number of those ultimately decide his brand of authoritarianism is slightly more preferable than liberals.ncsualum05 said:Because a lot of these people aren't true conservatives anyway. They were making money off of being "conservative leaders" and spouting principles that they knew would never be put into practice in government. They were also part of the establishment elite. The type of "intellectual conservatism" they believed in was more to enrich themselves. Republican party was weak and helpless and even assisted the left with more power. Trump took some conservative principles and combined it with populism and broke the GOP and reshaped it. In doing so he pissed off a lot of the country club elites, the "old guard" if you will. So of course they are going to come out against him. The fact they are promoting the left now should tell you where their principles really lie. They do it under the guise of "Trump's dangerous to democracy". Please.caryking said:I agree. Why are so many republican pundits/ex-politicians against Trump? One one say that they don't care for his rhetoric and it might be true. I contend that they don't like his tearing up the republican orthodoxy that's perpetuating or perpetuated what true conservatitism is about.IseWolf22 said:The big difference between Trump and Bush/Romney, is how many conservative politicians and media personalities have turned against him. The Bulwark or Lincoln Project never sprung up to fight against Bush's re-election.cowboypack02 said:Did the same thing to McCain and Ronmey as well when they were running for President.Pacfanweb said:They did the same thing to W.Civilized said:
If the MSM portrays our next pub president as negatively as they do Trump, IPS pubs can lambast me for being wrong. I'll eat a heaping pile of crow. He gets covered differently because he is different.
Only difference is, W didn't fight back like Trumps does, so it didn't get as petty and excessive as they are with Trump, but they covered W the same as they do Trump.
About the only difference is 9/11. They had to back off because W's handling of that was pretty awesome and he was very popular at that time and they knew the country didn't want to hear/see them bashing him....but as soon as enough time went by they went right back at him.
Trump gives it right back to them. Does it get into a nasty tit for tat that we could all do without...yes...but the media doesn't have any integrity in the whole matter. The fact of the matter is that if the media treated Trump like they treated Obama we would have to hear Trump talk about how they are all best friends.
Even when the Obama administration did things like spy on a reporter (James Rosen) no one in the media cared because of the letter behind the name.
Now, I'm not saying Trump is a true conservative by any means; however, I support the breaking down of the Republican Party as we have known it for years.
Odds are he doesn't remember what he said last week, much less 4 yrs. ago.
Like I said, if you cant get hyped for the Carolina game, why are you here?
-Earl Wolff-
-Earl Wolff-
IseWolf22 said:But that breaking has resulted in a smaller party that has run off many in the republican tent.ncsualum05 said:Because a lot of these people aren't true conservatives anyway. They were making money off of being "conservative leaders" and spouting principles that they knew would never be put into practice in government. They were also part of the establishment elite. The type of "intellectual conservatism" they believed in was more to enrich themselves. Republican party was weak and helpless and even assisted the left with more power. Trump took some conservative principles and combined it with populism and broke the GOP and reshaped it. In doing so he pissed off a lot of the country club elites, the "old guard" if you will. So of course they are going to come out against him. The fact they are promoting the left now should tell you where their principles really lie. They do it under the guise of "Trump's dangerous to democracy". Please.caryking said:I agree. Why are so many republican pundits/ex-politicians against Trump? One one say that they don't care for his rhetoric and it might be true. I contend that they don't like his tearing up the republican orthodoxy that's perpetuating or perpetuated what true conservatitism is about.IseWolf22 said:The big difference between Trump and Bush/Romney, is how many conservative politicians and media personalities have turned against him. The Bulwark or Lincoln Project never sprung up to fight against Bush's re-election.cowboypack02 said:Did the same thing to McCain and Ronmey as well when they were running for President.Pacfanweb said:They did the same thing to W.Civilized said:
If the MSM portrays our next pub president as negatively as they do Trump, IPS pubs can lambast me for being wrong. I'll eat a heaping pile of crow. He gets covered differently because he is different.
Only difference is, W didn't fight back like Trumps does, so it didn't get as petty and excessive as they are with Trump, but they covered W the same as they do Trump.
About the only difference is 9/11. They had to back off because W's handling of that was pretty awesome and he was very popular at that time and they knew the country didn't want to hear/see them bashing him....but as soon as enough time went by they went right back at him.
Trump gives it right back to them. Does it get into a nasty tit for tat that we could all do without...yes...but the media doesn't have any integrity in the whole matter. The fact of the matter is that if the media treated Trump like they treated Obama we would have to hear Trump talk about how they are all best friends.
Even when the Obama administration did things like spy on a reporter (James Rosen) no one in the media cared because of the letter behind the name.
Now, I'm not saying Trump is a true conservative by any means; however, I support the breaking down of the Republican Party as we have known it for years.
You may be right; however, based on the people I associate with, they would rather have Trump than a Romney type. Trump is way outside the system and the system can't handle it. For me, even though I have major issues with some of the policies (I am a libertarian or constitutionalist), his persona is exactly what the country needs. The Federal government, in my opinion, is so corrupt, that we have needed a radical change in the way it is is perceived.
Joe Biden is more of the same Federal Government!!!
We all associate in bubbles. Before 2016 I would have said my social circle was extremely diverse politically. I have friends that are republicans, libertarians, democrats, independents of multiple flavors. Now that entire group of people are mostly united in hating Trump. So maybe my "diverse" group isn't as diverse as I thought, because some people obviously like him.caryking said:IseWolf22 said:But that breaking has resulted in a smaller party that has run off many in the republican tent.ncsualum05 said:Because a lot of these people aren't true conservatives anyway. They were making money off of being "conservative leaders" and spouting principles that they knew would never be put into practice in government. They were also part of the establishment elite. The type of "intellectual conservatism" they believed in was more to enrich themselves. Republican party was weak and helpless and even assisted the left with more power. Trump took some conservative principles and combined it with populism and broke the GOP and reshaped it. In doing so he pissed off a lot of the country club elites, the "old guard" if you will. So of course they are going to come out against him. The fact they are promoting the left now should tell you where their principles really lie. They do it under the guise of "Trump's dangerous to democracy". Please.caryking said:I agree. Why are so many republican pundits/ex-politicians against Trump? One one say that they don't care for his rhetoric and it might be true. I contend that they don't like his tearing up the republican orthodoxy that's perpetuating or perpetuated what true conservatitism is about.IseWolf22 said:The big difference between Trump and Bush/Romney, is how many conservative politicians and media personalities have turned against him. The Bulwark or Lincoln Project never sprung up to fight against Bush's re-election.cowboypack02 said:Did the same thing to McCain and Ronmey as well when they were running for President.Pacfanweb said:They did the same thing to W.Civilized said:
If the MSM portrays our next pub president as negatively as they do Trump, IPS pubs can lambast me for being wrong. I'll eat a heaping pile of crow. He gets covered differently because he is different.
Only difference is, W didn't fight back like Trumps does, so it didn't get as petty and excessive as they are with Trump, but they covered W the same as they do Trump.
About the only difference is 9/11. They had to back off because W's handling of that was pretty awesome and he was very popular at that time and they knew the country didn't want to hear/see them bashing him....but as soon as enough time went by they went right back at him.
Trump gives it right back to them. Does it get into a nasty tit for tat that we could all do without...yes...but the media doesn't have any integrity in the whole matter. The fact of the matter is that if the media treated Trump like they treated Obama we would have to hear Trump talk about how they are all best friends.
Even when the Obama administration did things like spy on a reporter (James Rosen) no one in the media cared because of the letter behind the name.
Now, I'm not saying Trump is a true conservative by any means; however, I support the breaking down of the Republican Party as we have known it for years.
You may be right; however, based on the people I associate with, they would rather have Trump than a Romney type. Trump is way outside the system and the system can't handle it. For me, even though I have major issues with some of the policies (I am a libertarian or constitutionalist), his persona is exactly what the country needs. The Federal government, in my opinion, is so corrupt, that we have needed a radical change in the way it is is perceived.
Joe Biden is more of the same Federal Government!!!
A couple more points:
1. I'd take Romney 1 million times before Trump or Biden and so would most of the Republicans and former republicans I know
2. Trump's person is his worst attribute and not what this country needs at all. Most of you would be mortified if your child acted anything like him
3. Trump is different Federal Government, but he's still big government. He's not popular with Libertarian media and scholars
The tent for the new Republican party under Trump is getting bigger I'd argue. Some of that is because the left is becoming so extreme that it's pushing people towards Trump for nothing more than basic desire to save the country and keep it as it is. Most don't want to see political violence used as a motivator to get things you want done but that is where the left is. To your points...IseWolf22 said:We all associate in bubbles. Before 2016 I would have said my social circle was extremely diverse politically. I have friends that are republicans, libertarians, democrats, independents of multiple flavors. Now that entire group of people are mostly united in hating Trump. So maybe my "diverse" group isn't as diverse as I thought, because some people obviously like him.caryking said:IseWolf22 said:But that breaking has resulted in a smaller party that has run off many in the republican tent.ncsualum05 said:Because a lot of these people aren't true conservatives anyway. They were making money off of being "conservative leaders" and spouting principles that they knew would never be put into practice in government. They were also part of the establishment elite. The type of "intellectual conservatism" they believed in was more to enrich themselves. Republican party was weak and helpless and even assisted the left with more power. Trump took some conservative principles and combined it with populism and broke the GOP and reshaped it. In doing so he pissed off a lot of the country club elites, the "old guard" if you will. So of course they are going to come out against him. The fact they are promoting the left now should tell you where their principles really lie. They do it under the guise of "Trump's dangerous to democracy". Please.caryking said:I agree. Why are so many republican pundits/ex-politicians against Trump? One one say that they don't care for his rhetoric and it might be true. I contend that they don't like his tearing up the republican orthodoxy that's perpetuating or perpetuated what true conservatitism is about.IseWolf22 said:The big difference between Trump and Bush/Romney, is how many conservative politicians and media personalities have turned against him. The Bulwark or Lincoln Project never sprung up to fight against Bush's re-election.cowboypack02 said:Did the same thing to McCain and Ronmey as well when they were running for President.Pacfanweb said:They did the same thing to W.Civilized said:
If the MSM portrays our next pub president as negatively as they do Trump, IPS pubs can lambast me for being wrong. I'll eat a heaping pile of crow. He gets covered differently because he is different.
Only difference is, W didn't fight back like Trumps does, so it didn't get as petty and excessive as they are with Trump, but they covered W the same as they do Trump.
About the only difference is 9/11. They had to back off because W's handling of that was pretty awesome and he was very popular at that time and they knew the country didn't want to hear/see them bashing him....but as soon as enough time went by they went right back at him.
Trump gives it right back to them. Does it get into a nasty tit for tat that we could all do without...yes...but the media doesn't have any integrity in the whole matter. The fact of the matter is that if the media treated Trump like they treated Obama we would have to hear Trump talk about how they are all best friends.
Even when the Obama administration did things like spy on a reporter (James Rosen) no one in the media cared because of the letter behind the name.
Now, I'm not saying Trump is a true conservative by any means; however, I support the breaking down of the Republican Party as we have known it for years.
You may be right; however, based on the people I associate with, they would rather have Trump than a Romney type. Trump is way outside the system and the system can't handle it. For me, even though I have major issues with some of the policies (I am a libertarian or constitutionalist), his persona is exactly what the country needs. The Federal government, in my opinion, is so corrupt, that we have needed a radical change in the way it is is perceived.
Joe Biden is more of the same Federal Government!!!
A couple more points:
1. I'd take Romney 1 million times before Trump or Biden and so would most of the Republicans and former republicans I know
2. Trump's person is his worst attribute and not what this country needs at all. Most of you would be mortified if your child acted anything like him
3. Trump is different Federal Government, but he's still big government. He's not popular with Libertarian media and scholars
1. Most republicans would not take Romney. If that were true he would've won in 2012. He had a chance... blew it, and the country decided to overwhelming re elect a very unpopular Obama. That was a low point in Obama's popularity around that time.
2. You're not wrong. But the entire media and all the politicians have been acting like petulant children for years, Trump is just more brazen and doesn't speak like the rest of them. I find him refreshing most of the time. But definitely find him cringeworthy on twitter. When he holds official speaking events, conferences, or rallies I think he does every well.
3. I'm not sure about that. He hasn't pushed to get spending under control which is disappointing. But congress has to be on board with that and that will never happen. Good luck ever being able to "cut" anything in DC... regardless of party. What he's focused on instead is increasing revenue by holding other countries accountable for monies they owe as well as re working trade deals which was long overdue. I wish we could have more libertarian style government but how do you get there?
Important question... how do you get libertarian platform to win on a national scale? How do you get the old style Republican like Romney to win on a national scale? You can't.
I voted for Ted Cruz in the Republican primary. I thought Cruz provided the closet ideology to original intent as any politicians recently. That being said, I do not believe Cruz would have had as much success as Trump.ncsualum05 said:The tent for the new Republican party under Trump is getting bigger I'd argue. Some of that is because the left is becoming so extreme that it's pushing people towards Trump for nothing more than basic desire to save the country and keep it as it is. Most don't want to see political violence used as a motivator to get things you want done but that is where the left is. To your points...IseWolf22 said:We all associate in bubbles. Before 2016 I would have said my social circle was extremely diverse politically. I have friends that are republicans, libertarians, democrats, independents of multiple flavors. Now that entire group of people are mostly united in hating Trump. So maybe my "diverse" group isn't as diverse as I thought, because some people obviously like him.caryking said:IseWolf22 said:But that breaking has resulted in a smaller party that has run off many in the republican tent.ncsualum05 said:Because a lot of these people aren't true conservatives anyway. They were making money off of being "conservative leaders" and spouting principles that they knew would never be put into practice in government. They were also part of the establishment elite. The type of "intellectual conservatism" they believed in was more to enrich themselves. Republican party was weak and helpless and even assisted the left with more power. Trump took some conservative principles and combined it with populism and broke the GOP and reshaped it. In doing so he pissed off a lot of the country club elites, the "old guard" if you will. So of course they are going to come out against him. The fact they are promoting the left now should tell you where their principles really lie. They do it under the guise of "Trump's dangerous to democracy". Please.caryking said:I agree. Why are so many republican pundits/ex-politicians against Trump? One one say that they don't care for his rhetoric and it might be true. I contend that they don't like his tearing up the republican orthodoxy that's perpetuating or perpetuated what true conservatitism is about.IseWolf22 said:The big difference between Trump and Bush/Romney, is how many conservative politicians and media personalities have turned against him. The Bulwark or Lincoln Project never sprung up to fight against Bush's re-election.cowboypack02 said:Did the same thing to McCain and Ronmey as well when they were running for President.Pacfanweb said:They did the same thing to W.Civilized said:
If the MSM portrays our next pub president as negatively as they do Trump, IPS pubs can lambast me for being wrong. I'll eat a heaping pile of crow. He gets covered differently because he is different.
Only difference is, W didn't fight back like Trumps does, so it didn't get as petty and excessive as they are with Trump, but they covered W the same as they do Trump.
About the only difference is 9/11. They had to back off because W's handling of that was pretty awesome and he was very popular at that time and they knew the country didn't want to hear/see them bashing him....but as soon as enough time went by they went right back at him.
Trump gives it right back to them. Does it get into a nasty tit for tat that we could all do without...yes...but the media doesn't have any integrity in the whole matter. The fact of the matter is that if the media treated Trump like they treated Obama we would have to hear Trump talk about how they are all best friends.
Even when the Obama administration did things like spy on a reporter (James Rosen) no one in the media cared because of the letter behind the name.
Now, I'm not saying Trump is a true conservative by any means; however, I support the breaking down of the Republican Party as we have known it for years.
You may be right; however, based on the people I associate with, they would rather have Trump than a Romney type. Trump is way outside the system and the system can't handle it. For me, even though I have major issues with some of the policies (I am a libertarian or constitutionalist), his persona is exactly what the country needs. The Federal government, in my opinion, is so corrupt, that we have needed a radical change in the way it is is perceived.
Joe Biden is more of the same Federal Government!!!
A couple more points:
1. I'd take Romney 1 million times before Trump or Biden and so would most of the Republicans and former republicans I know
2. Trump's person is his worst attribute and not what this country needs at all. Most of you would be mortified if your child acted anything like him
3. Trump is different Federal Government, but he's still big government. He's not popular with Libertarian media and scholars
1. Most republicans would not take Romney. If that were true he would've won in 2012. He had a chance... blew it, and the country decided to overwhelming re elect a very unpopular Obama. That was a low point in Obama's popularity around that time.
2. You're not wrong. But the entire media and all the politicians have been acting like petulant children for years, Trump is just more brazen and doesn't speak like the rest of them. I find him refreshing most of the time. But definitely find him cringeworthy on twitter. When he holds official speaking events, conferences, or rallies I think he does every well.
3. I'm not sure about that. He hasn't pushed to get spending under control which is disappointing. But congress has to be on board with that and that will never happen. Good luck ever being able to "cut" anything in DC... regardless of party. What he's focused on instead is increasing revenue by holding other countries accountable for monies they owe as well as re working trade deals which was long overdue. I wish we could have more libertarian style government but how do you get there?
Important question... how do you get libertarian platform to win on a national scale? How do you get the old style Republican like Romney to win on a national scale? You can't.
The areas that believe have been the best for trump are: tax and regulation policies; trade; federal court appointees. I also think Trump has been excellent at standing his ground with the media as they are out of control.
Cruz may have been more thoughtful to the constitution; however, based on negotiating with mad people (Pelosi and Schumer) I'm not sure he would have had any chance.
BTW, Romney is an absolute JOKE!!!! <- yes, that's my opinion
I don't know which scholars you are referencing; however, typically, that's not a bad thing.IseWolf22 said:We all associate in bubbles. Before 2016 I would have said my social circle was extremely diverse politically. I have friends that are republicans, libertarians, democrats, independents of multiple flavors. Now that entire group of people are mostly united in hating Trump. So maybe my "diverse" group isn't as diverse as I thought, because some people obviously like him.caryking said:IseWolf22 said:But that breaking has resulted in a smaller party that has run off many in the republican tent.ncsualum05 said:Because a lot of these people aren't true conservatives anyway. They were making money off of being "conservative leaders" and spouting principles that they knew would never be put into practice in government. They were also part of the establishment elite. The type of "intellectual conservatism" they believed in was more to enrich themselves. Republican party was weak and helpless and even assisted the left with more power. Trump took some conservative principles and combined it with populism and broke the GOP and reshaped it. In doing so he pissed off a lot of the country club elites, the "old guard" if you will. So of course they are going to come out against him. The fact they are promoting the left now should tell you where their principles really lie. They do it under the guise of "Trump's dangerous to democracy". Please.caryking said:I agree. Why are so many republican pundits/ex-politicians against Trump? One one say that they don't care for his rhetoric and it might be true. I contend that they don't like his tearing up the republican orthodoxy that's perpetuating or perpetuated what true conservatitism is about.IseWolf22 said:The big difference between Trump and Bush/Romney, is how many conservative politicians and media personalities have turned against him. The Bulwark or Lincoln Project never sprung up to fight against Bush's re-election.cowboypack02 said:Did the same thing to McCain and Ronmey as well when they were running for President.Pacfanweb said:They did the same thing to W.Civilized said:
If the MSM portrays our next pub president as negatively as they do Trump, IPS pubs can lambast me for being wrong. I'll eat a heaping pile of crow. He gets covered differently because he is different.
Only difference is, W didn't fight back like Trumps does, so it didn't get as petty and excessive as they are with Trump, but they covered W the same as they do Trump.
About the only difference is 9/11. They had to back off because W's handling of that was pretty awesome and he was very popular at that time and they knew the country didn't want to hear/see them bashing him....but as soon as enough time went by they went right back at him.
Trump gives it right back to them. Does it get into a nasty tit for tat that we could all do without...yes...but the media doesn't have any integrity in the whole matter. The fact of the matter is that if the media treated Trump like they treated Obama we would have to hear Trump talk about how they are all best friends.
Even when the Obama administration did things like spy on a reporter (James Rosen) no one in the media cared because of the letter behind the name.
Now, I'm not saying Trump is a true conservative by any means; however, I support the breaking down of the Republican Party as we have known it for years.
You may be right; however, based on the people I associate with, they would rather have Trump than a Romney type. Trump is way outside the system and the system can't handle it. For me, even though I have major issues with some of the policies (I am a libertarian or constitutionalist), his persona is exactly what the country needs. The Federal government, in my opinion, is so corrupt, that we have needed a radical change in the way it is is perceived.
Joe Biden is more of the same Federal Government!!!
A couple more points:
1. I'd take Romney 1 million times before Trump or Biden and so would most of the Republicans and former republicans I know
2. Trump's person is his worst attribute and not what this country needs at all. Most of you would be mortified if your child acted anything like him
3. Trump is different Federal Government, but he's still big government. He's not popular with Libertarian media and scholars
The rules were changed in 2016 and you know that! If not for a rules change, moderate Merrick Garland would be a Supreme Court judge.packgrad said:
Garland is considered a judicial moderate and a centrist. Judge Garland's record demonstrates that he is essentially the model, neutral judge. He is acknowledged by all to be brilliant. His opinions avoid unnecessary, sweeping pronouncements. Garland has a reputation for collegiality, and his opinions rarely draw a dissent. As of 2016, Garland had written just 15 dissents in his two decades on the court, fewer than his colleague Judge Brett Kavanaugh, who wrote some 17 dissents over one decade.
Communistic dictatorship is what you seek; not democracy! We've fought over way less!
The rules were not changed.
why wasn't Garland voted on....10 months prior to the election? No one was voting then and millions have been cast now.packgrad said:
The rules were not changed.
Communistic dictatorship is what you seek; not democracy! We've fought over way less!
ciscopack said:why wasn't Garland voted on....10 months prior to the election? No one was voting then and millions have been cast now.packgrad said:
The rules were not changed.
Communistic dictatorship is what you seek; not democracy! We've fought over way less!
Lol. Grow up.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/08/history-is-on-the-side-of-republicans-filling-a-supreme-court-vacancy-in-2020/amp/?__twitter_impression=true&s=09
Technically they were changed. In 2013 the rules were changed in the Senate by Harry Reid. It used to be that any Supreme Court or Federal judge had to get past the 60 vote total to end filibuster or debate. McConnell warned the Democrats to not do it. Of course the Dem's did not listen and now they are whining like they always do. You change the rules to fit your agenda, but when the tables get turned you don't get to change back because you don't like the rules. Dems made their beds and now they have lie in them.packgrad said:
The rules were not changed.
Being an N. C. State fan builds great character!
Because the Pubs controlled the Senate, Obama was a lame duck, and there was a chance a Republican could be in the White House come the following January that could nominate a conservative judge.
No matter how much the Pubs want to disingenuously make this seem like some specific situational precedent, the broader precedent is simply that politicians do things because they can.
There was nothing compelling the Republican controlled Senate to vote on Garland in 2016, and they will absolutely move forward with their nominee this year. Because they can.
No matter how much the Pubs want to disingenuously make this seem like some specific situational precedent, the broader precedent is simply that politicians do things because they can.
There was nothing compelling the Republican controlled Senate to vote on Garland in 2016, and they will absolutely move forward with their nominee this year. Because they can.
You need to grow up.packgrad said:ciscopack said:why wasn't Garland voted on....10 months prior to the election? No one was voting then and millions have been cast now.packgrad said:
The rules were not changed.
Communistic dictatorship is what you seek; not democracy! We've fought over way less!
Lol. Grow up.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/08/history-is-on-the-side-of-republicans-filling-a-supreme-court-vacancy-in-2020/amp/?__twitter_impression=true&s=09
Lindsey Graham said that Republicans had changed the rules and that he'd make sure they were not changed back. That's not a quote but it means the same.
"My grandpa used to say, a man is only as good as his word" - Lindsey Graham
Communistic dictatorship is what you seek; not democracy! We've fought over way less!
I wouldn't vote for Romney if he was running for the dogcatcher's job!IseWolf22 said:We all associate in bubbles. Before 2016 I would have said my social circle was extremely diverse politically. I have friends that are republicans, libertarians, democrats, independents of multiple flavors. Now that entire group of people are mostly united in hating Trump. So maybe my "diverse" group isn't as diverse as I thought, because some people obviously like him.caryking said:IseWolf22 said:But that breaking has resulted in a smaller party that has run off many in the republican tent.ncsualum05 said:Because a lot of these people aren't true conservatives anyway. They were making money off of being "conservative leaders" and spouting principles that they knew would never be put into practice in government. They were also part of the establishment elite. The type of "intellectual conservatism" they believed in was more to enrich themselves. Republican party was weak and helpless and even assisted the left with more power. Trump took some conservative principles and combined it with populism and broke the GOP and reshaped it. In doing so he pissed off a lot of the country club elites, the "old guard" if you will. So of course they are going to come out against him. The fact they are promoting the left now should tell you where their principles really lie. They do it under the guise of "Trump's dangerous to democracy". Please.caryking said:I agree. Why are so many republican pundits/ex-politicians against Trump? One one say that they don't care for his rhetoric and it might be true. I contend that they don't like his tearing up the republican orthodoxy that's perpetuating or perpetuated what true conservatitism is about.IseWolf22 said:The big difference between Trump and Bush/Romney, is how many conservative politicians and media personalities have turned against him. The Bulwark or Lincoln Project never sprung up to fight against Bush's re-election.cowboypack02 said:Did the same thing to McCain and Ronmey as well when they were running for President.Pacfanweb said:They did the same thing to W.Civilized said:
If the MSM portrays our next pub president as negatively as they do Trump, IPS pubs can lambast me for being wrong. I'll eat a heaping pile of crow. He gets covered differently because he is different.
Only difference is, W didn't fight back like Trumps does, so it didn't get as petty and excessive as they are with Trump, but they covered W the same as they do Trump.
About the only difference is 9/11. They had to back off because W's handling of that was pretty awesome and he was very popular at that time and they knew the country didn't want to hear/see them bashing him....but as soon as enough time went by they went right back at him.
Trump gives it right back to them. Does it get into a nasty tit for tat that we could all do without...yes...but the media doesn't have any integrity in the whole matter. The fact of the matter is that if the media treated Trump like they treated Obama we would have to hear Trump talk about how they are all best friends.
Even when the Obama administration did things like spy on a reporter (James Rosen) no one in the media cared because of the letter behind the name.
Now, I'm not saying Trump is a true conservative by any means; however, I support the breaking down of the Republican Party as we have known it for years.
You may be right; however, based on the people I associate with, they would rather have Trump than a Romney type. Trump is way outside the system and the system can't handle it. For me, even though I have major issues with some of the policies (I am a libertarian or constitutionalist), his persona is exactly what the country needs. The Federal government, in my opinion, is so corrupt, that we have needed a radical change in the way it is is perceived.
Joe Biden is more of the same Federal Government!!!
A couple more points:
1. I'd take Romney 1 million times before Trump or Biden and so would most of the Republicans and former republicans I know
2. Trump's person is his worst attribute and not what this country needs at all. Most of you would be mortified if your child acted anything like him
3. Trump is different Federal Government, but he's still big government. He's not popular with Libertarian media and scholars
This is what amazes me about liberals.. gun control and abortion. The conservative position is 100% constitutional!Civilized said:Pacfanweb said:
There is nothing conservative about the Republican party. There might be some conservatives in it, but they aren't much of a factor.
Our government has been drifting left for decades. When Dems are in charge, it speeds up, when Pubs are in charge is slows down, but it's always steadily to the left.
Used to be it would go back and forth depending on who was in charge, but now the only difference is if we're sprinting to the left like under Obama, or just jogging like under Bush or Trump.
This is a good description economically.
I think the Republican party remains largely conservative on primary social issues though, principally gun control and abortion. I don't see conservative stances on those two issues changing much, if at all, over time.
Gun control - it's only liberals that want re-write the 2nd amendment; therefore, how can that be a social issue?
Abortion - conservatives believe its innocent killing; however, the true reason they want an overturn is because of the 10th amendment. No where in the constitution does the federal government have power to rule on the subject. It should have been given back to the states.
Debate is next week ?
9/29 I believe?
Y'all means ALL.
In fairness, it doesn't sound like he was reciting the Pledge, sounds like he was using part of it to make a point.DrummerboyWolf said:
Well here is "Joe being Joe." So easy a 3rd grader could do it. WOW!
I'd bet someone lunch that's what it was.
Not big on this "out of context" crap, no matter which side is doing it.
ciscopack said:You need to grow up.packgrad said:ciscopack said:why wasn't Garland voted on....10 months prior to the election? No one was voting then and millions have been cast now.packgrad said:
The rules were not changed.
Communistic dictatorship is what you seek; not democracy! We've fought over way less!
Lol. Grow up.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/08/history-is-on-the-side-of-republicans-filling-a-supreme-court-vacancy-in-2020/amp/?__twitter_impression=true&s=09
Lindsey Graham said that Republicans had changed the rules and that he'd make sure they were not changed back. That's not a quote but it means the same.
"My grandpa used to say, a man is only as good as his word" - Lindsey Graham
"A good name is rather to be chosen than great riches, and loving favour rather than silver and gold" - Proverbs 22:1
Communistic dictatorship is what you seek; not democracy! We've fought over way less!
packgrad said:ciscopack said:why wasn't Garland voted on....10 months prior to the election? No one was voting then and millions have been cast now.packgrad said:
The rules were not changed.
Communistic dictatorship is what you seek; not democracy! We've fought over way less!
Lol. Grow up.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/08/history-is-on-the-side-of-republicans-filling-a-supreme-court-vacancy-in-2020/amp/?__twitter_impression=true&s=09
I have the exact same article bookmarked for just this comment!
I'm gonna shorten it up so you don't have to read through it.
There have been 22 supreme court vacancies during a presidential election year. Every time that the same party has held both the house and senate the a at has been filled and everytime the two have been different parties is hasn't....been that way since 1791.
There is 230 years of history that disagree with you my friend
How is Biden allowed a teleprompter when asking questions from reporters ?
He's turned into a robot controlled by who knows who.
A really old robot....
He's turned into a robot controlled by who knows who.
A really old robot....
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