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hokiewolf said:

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Here's what I'll say about this BBW. I agree with you here. There has been a weird response in the media where the narrative of these stories is almost that this shooting was justified for political reasons. It is an incredibly wrong argument excusing acts of violence on children.

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Other than some wacko far left group, who is excusing this?
I frankly don't care if the shooter is a far right nut or a far left nut. In both cases, they are getting guns that everyone says they shouldn't have had
But who is making changes to ensure they don't?

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Dude you'll never stop anyone from getting a gun. There's no law you could pass that would keep idiots hell bent on this kind of carnage from getting one.

I'm all for having thorough background checks on every gun purchased but it'll never stop these idiots.

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So we look our kids in the eye and say "too bad, it's just a consequence of being an American"?
Is that where we are?

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Wufpack17 said:

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Packchem91 said:

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jkpackfan said:

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Packchem91 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Here's what I'll say about this BBW. I agree with you here. There has been a weird response in the media where the narrative of these stories is almost that this shooting was justified for political reasons. It is an incredibly wrong argument excusing acts of violence on children.

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Other than some wacko far left group, who is excusing this?
I frankly don't care if the shooter is a far right nut or a far left nut. In both cases, they are getting guns that everyone says they shouldn't have had
But who is making changes to ensure they don't?

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Dude you'll never stop anyone from getting a gun. There's no law you could pass that would keep idiots hell bent on this kind of carnage from getting one.

I'm all for having thorough background checks on every gun purchased but it'll never stop these idiots.

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So we look our kids in the eye and say "too bad, it's just a consequence of being an American"?
Is that where we are?

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And when it doesn't stop happening, what's the next step?

The most obvious things that can be done TODAY is improving security at schools. But the left has no interest in that because "turning schools into prisons!!!!11!1!1!1!".

A real solution is met with vitriol. Something that is practical in implementing is seen as no go zone. Why?

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Wufpack17 said:

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Packchem91 said:

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jkpackfan said:

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Packchem91 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Here's what I'll say about this BBW. I agree with you here. There has been a weird response in the media where the narrative of these stories is almost that this shooting was justified for political reasons. It is an incredibly wrong argument excusing acts of violence on children.

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Other than some wacko far left group, who is excusing this?
I frankly don't care if the shooter is a far right nut or a far left nut. In both cases, they are getting guns that everyone says they shouldn't have had
But who is making changes to ensure they don't?

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Dude you'll never stop anyone from getting a gun. There's no law you could pass that would keep idiots hell bent on this kind of carnage from getting one.

I'm all for having thorough background checks on every gun purchased but it'll never stop these idiots.

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So we look our kids in the eye and say "too bad, it's just a consequence of being an American"?
Is that where we are?

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And when it doesn't stop happening, what's the next step?

The most obvious things that can be done TODAY is improving security at schools. But the left has no interest in that because "turning schools into prisons!!!!11!1!1!1!".

A real solution is met with vitriol. Something that is practical in implementing is seen as no go zone. Why?

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Packchem91 said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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Packchem91 said:

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jkpackfan said:

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Packchem91 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Here's what I'll say about this BBW. I agree with you here. There has been a weird response in the media where the narrative of these stories is almost that this shooting was justified for political reasons. It is an incredibly wrong argument excusing acts of violence on children.

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Other than some wacko far left group, who is excusing this?
I frankly don't care if the shooter is a far right nut or a far left nut. In both cases, they are getting guns that everyone says they shouldn't have had
But who is making changes to ensure they don't?

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Dude you'll never stop anyone from getting a gun. There's no law you could pass that would keep idiots hell bent on this kind of carnage from getting one.

I'm all for having thorough background checks on every gun purchased but it'll never stop these idiots.

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So we look our kids in the eye and say "too bad, it's just a consequence of being an American"?
Is that where we are?

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And when it doesn't stop happening, what's the next step?

The most obvious things that can be done TODAY is improving security at schools. But the left has no interest in that because "turning schools into prisons!!!!11!1!1!1!".

A real solution is met with vitriol. Something that is practical in implementing is seen as no go zone. Why?

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Why doesn't this happen in the UK? Or France? Japan? China? India? Canada? Germany? Saudi Arabia? Anywhere else?

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If some of these maniac mentally challenged people want to hurt somebody, they do not need a gun. Look at the idiot in Wisconsin who ran his car through a Christmas parade or Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma City. If you are denied getting firearms, there are numerous ways to hurt people. Just the other day in Vancouver, BC a guy was stabbed to death at a Starbucks and everybody stood by and watched it happen.

It's not the guns, it's the people.

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Yet the stats 100% disagree with you. America has by far the most guns and by far the most kids killed by them.

So it's your perspective that social media, tv violence, urban crowding, poverty, etc only influence Americans?
Other nations which have far less death by guns just handle all those things better!

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The majority of homicides in the US with regards to children is not done with guns. It's done with physical assault and blunt objects. Let's create a background check requirement to purchase hammers, bats, rolling pins, etc…

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Packchem91 said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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Packchem91 said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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If some of these maniac mentally challenged people want to hurt somebody, they do not need a gun. Look at the idiot in Wisconsin who ran his car through a Christmas parade or Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma City. If you are denied getting firearms, there are numerous ways to hurt people. Just the other day in Vancouver, BC a guy was stabbed to death at a Starbucks and everybody stood by and watched it happen.

It's not the guns, it's the people.

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Yet the stats 100% disagree with you. America has by far the most guns and by far the most kids killed by them.

So it's your perspective that social media, tv violence, urban crowding, poverty, etc only influence Americans?
Other nations which have far less death by guns just handle all those things better!

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The majority of homicides in the US with regards to children is not done with guns. It's done with physical assault and blunt objects. Let's create a background check requirement to purchase hammers, bats, rolling pins, etc…

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Got it. So like BBW, GP and We're, you just make any crap up assuming no one will care.
I even gave you (twice) the stats.

Here it is for a 3rd time.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2201761

I'm not the smartest guy in the room, so you'll have to translate the graph from the NEJM to show me where your majority of blunt objects killings comes from? I don't even see it on the list


What's more amazing is that some other "fair and balanced" poster liked your response, lol

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Quite frankly, your hyperbole is part of the problem. It's not easier to get a gun than it is to get treatment for anxiety, depression, etc. Maybe your family has a harder time with the treatment prescribed but treatment is readily available, arguably over available if you look at numbers of people on anxiety medicine.

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I can go buy a guy tomorrow. Pay for it, go through the background check and within 3-5 days I'm good. In 2018 my wife waited 18 days to get the OK to get treatment for depression. 18 days. You know what got her treatment? She told the doctors she wanted to hurt herself or others. Bam! Treatment approved. And that with BCBS of NC

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That sounds like a problem with your insurance. I can literally schedule and appt tomorrow to see a therapist. Also, respectfully, these things aren't related.

I have 2 guns. They've never been anywhere other than my home and a shooting range. That can be said for 99.9% of gun owners. I'm honestly not concerned about legal gun owners, those folks aren't interested in killing folks. But as I said earlier, people on meds for depression who have suicidal or violent thoughts, shouldn't be allowed to own a gun

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ALERT......... re the Nasville Christian School shooting. Different shoes, watch, belt and camou shown on body cam footage as compared with school security camera footage. Something amiss......

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Packchem91 said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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Packchem91 said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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If some of these maniac mentally challenged people want to hurt somebody, they do not need a gun. Look at the idiot in Wisconsin who ran his car through a Christmas parade or Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma City. If you are denied getting firearms, there are numerous ways to hurt people. Just the other day in Vancouver, BC a guy was stabbed to death at a Starbucks and everybody stood by and watched it happen.

It's not the guns, it's the people.

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Yet the stats 100% disagree with you. America has by far the most guns and by far the most kids killed by them.

So it's your perspective that social media, tv violence, urban crowding, poverty, etc only influence Americans?
Other nations which have far less death by guns just handle all those things better!

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The majority of homicides in the US with regards to children is not done with guns. It's done with physical assault and blunt objects. Let's create a background check requirement to purchase hammers, bats, rolling pins, etc…

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Got it. So like BBW, GP and We're, you just make any crap up assuming no one will care.
I even gave you (twice) the stats.

Here it is for a 3rd time.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2201761

I'm not the smartest guy in the room, so you'll have to translate the graph from the NEJM to show me where your majority of blunt objects killings comes from? I don't even see it on the list


What's more amazing is that some other "fair and balanced" poster liked your response, lol

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Your chart doesn't account for all
Homicides. For instance, we know kids are beat to death, yet that isn't represented on the chart. Your data is weak.

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The Press Secretary for the illegitimate Arizona Governor posted a meme calling for violence against “transphobes”, which is just a blanket term used against conservatives

She tweeted this just a day after a trans terrorist killed Christians in school

She must resign pic.twitter.com/W5uxbzc4Tf

— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) March 29, 2023

Packchem91 said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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Glasswolf said:

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packgrad said:

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Quite frankly, your hyperbole is part of the problem. It's not easier to get a gun than it is to get treatment for anxiety, depression, etc. Maybe your family has a harder time with the treatment prescribed but treatment is readily available, arguably over available if you look at numbers of people on anxiety medicine.

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I can go buy a guy tomorrow. Pay for it, go through the background check and within 3-5 days I'm good. In 2018 my wife waited 18 days to get the OK to get treatment for depression. 18 days. You know what got her treatment? She told the doctors she wanted to hurt herself or others. Bam! Treatment approved. And that with BCBS of NC

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That sounds like a problem with your insurance. I can literally schedule and appt tomorrow to see a therapist. Also, respectfully, these things aren't related.

I have 2 guns. They've never been anywhere other than my home and a shooting range. That can be said for 99.9% of gun owners. I'm honestly not concerned about legal gun owners, those folks aren't interested in killing folks. But as I said earlier, people on meds for depression who have suicidal or violent thoughts, shouldn't be allowed to own a gun

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So how do you police people who have those conditions? Does the ATF (or some other agency) get to access your medical files? Probably those of your family too because what if Junior is depressed but has access to your guns?

Reportedly, the Nashville PD had no clue about this person, so she wasn't on any list

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Flashback: In November 2022, a #trans nonbinary suspect named Anderson Aldrich allegedly carried out the deadly mass shooting at gay nightclub, Club Q. The shooting was quickly blamed on the right by left-wing activists, Democrats & Antifa. When it emerged Mx. Aldrich is trans… pic.twitter.com/BRtLirElFe

— Andy Ngô 🏳️‍🌈 (@MrAndyNgo) March 27, 2023

Packchem91 said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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Packchem91 said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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If some of these maniac mentally challenged people want to hurt somebody, they do not need a gun. Look at the idiot in Wisconsin who ran his car through a Christmas parade or Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma City. If you are denied getting firearms, there are numerous ways to hurt people. Just the other day in Vancouver, BC a guy was stabbed to death at a Starbucks and everybody stood by and watched it happen.

It's not the guns, it's the people.

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Yet the stats 100% disagree with you. America has by far the most guns and by far the most kids killed by them.

So it's your perspective that social media, tv violence, urban crowding, poverty, etc only influence Americans?
Other nations which have far less death by guns just handle all those things better!

---

The majority of homicides in the US with regards to children is not done with guns. It's done with physical assault and blunt objects. Let's create a background check requirement to purchase hammers, bats, rolling pins, etc…

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Got it. So like BBW, GP and We're, you just make any crap up assuming no one will care.
I even gave you (twice) the stats.

Here it is for a 3rd time.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2201761

I'm not the smartest guy in the room, so you'll have to translate the graph from the NEJM to show me where your majority of blunt objects killings comes from? I don't even see it on the list


What's more amazing is that some other "fair and balanced" poster liked your response, lol

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Your chart doesn't account for all
Homicides. For instance, we know kids are beat to death, yet that isn't represented on the chart. Your data is weak.

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This is your argument? True, it is leading causes, not "anything that has ever happened ". It ranges down to 0.3 deaths per 100k kids, amd "death by beating" didn't make it. Drownings, heart attacks, fire, respiratory issues all on there, all about 1/5, 1/10 the rate of guns.

So yeah, you 100% fabricated a statement about "majority".

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Flashback: In May 2019, a female-to-male identifying #trans shooter named Alec McKinney & accomplice Devon Erickson carried out a deadly mass shooting at STEM School Highlands Ranch in Douglas County, Colo. McKinney told investigators transphobic students were targeted. pic.twitter.com/5sznjVweHB

— Andy Ngô 🏳️‍🌈 (@MrAndyNgo) March 27, 2023

In 2017, Randy Stair murdered three co-workers after declaring his right to take revenge on the world for being "a girl who's been trapped in a man's body for two and a half decades."

The media censors left-wing and trans killershttps://t.co/AdAQs7O2oy

— National Conservative (@NatCon2022) March 28, 2023

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Packchem's solution is always more govt.

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I don't think he has a common sense approach to this. It's ban guns or nothing at all, and let's be honest, guns aren't going anywhere. Hell, we have one of the most dangerous borders to our south, a country dominated by cartels who would LOVE nothing more than to feed illegal guns into the US (they are already doing so).

PackChem seems to ignore the geographical problems the US has and how that contributes to our drug and gun problems. Most EU nations that he aspires to be, don't have that issue.

Also, the US DOES have a worse mental health issue than other wealthy nations. We have MORE mentally Ill people per capita and a WORSE mental health system.

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2020/may/mental-health-conditions-substance-use-comparing-us-other-countries

So, yeah, I think it's perfectly okay to suggest we focus on mental health and securing our schools. Nip those in the bud TODAY.

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Should a man who thinks he is a woman be allowed to purchase firearms? Isn't that enough evidence of serious mental illness to disqualify someone from firearm ownership?#SnochiaMoseley #tranny #mentalillness pic.twitter.com/zQmqPd8BLf

— Cacciali Via (@CheBundy) September 21, 2018

Wufpack17 said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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Packchem91 said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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If some of these maniac mentally challenged people want to hurt somebody, they do not need a gun. Look at the idiot in Wisconsin who ran his car through a Christmas parade or Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma City. If you are denied getting firearms, there are numerous ways to hurt people. Just the other day in Vancouver, BC a guy was stabbed to death at a Starbucks and everybody stood by and watched it happen.

It's not the guns, it's the people.

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Yet the stats 100% disagree with you. America has by far the most guns and by far the most kids killed by them.

So it's your perspective that social media, tv violence, urban crowding, poverty, etc only influence Americans?
Other nations which have far less death by guns just handle all those things better!

---

The majority of homicides in the US with regards to children is not done with guns. It's done with physical assault and blunt objects. Let's create a background check requirement to purchase hammers, bats, rolling pins, etc…

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Got it. So like BBW, GP and We're, you just make any crap up assuming no one will care.
I even gave you (twice) the stats.

Here it is for a 3rd time.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2201761

I'm not the smartest guy in the room, so you'll have to translate the graph from the NEJM to show me where your majority of blunt objects killings comes from? I don't even see it on the list


What's more amazing is that some other "fair and balanced" poster liked your response, lol

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Your chart doesn't account for all
Homicides. For instance, we know kids are beat to death, yet that isn't represented on the chart. Your data is weak.

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This is your argument? True, it is leading causes, not "anything that has ever happened ". It ranges down to 0.3 deaths per 100k kids, amd "death by beating" didn't make it. Drownings, heart attacks, fire, respiratory issues all on there, all about 1/5, 1/10 the rate of guns.

So yeah, you 100% fabricated a statement about "majority".

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I don't think you know what "majority" means. Nothings fabricated other than your misunderstanding of a commonly used word.

If you account for all homicides, more homicides are done with abuse, neglect, blunt objects.

I don't see why it is a problem to require a back ground check to own a bat. We need to save lives, right?

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Packchem91 said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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Packchem91 said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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If some of these maniac mentally challenged people want to hurt somebody, they do not need a gun. Look at the idiot in Wisconsin who ran his car through a Christmas parade or Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma City. If you are denied getting firearms, there are numerous ways to hurt people. Just the other day in Vancouver, BC a guy was stabbed to death at a Starbucks and everybody stood by and watched it happen.

It's not the guns, it's the people.

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Yet the stats 100% disagree with you. America has by far the most guns and by far the most kids killed by them.

So it's your perspective that social media, tv violence, urban crowding, poverty, etc only influence Americans?
Other nations which have far less death by guns just handle all those things better!

---

The majority of homicides in the US with regards to children is not done with guns. It's done with physical assault and blunt objects. Let's create a background check requirement to purchase hammers, bats, rolling pins, etc…

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Got it. So like BBW, GP and We're, you just make any crap up assuming no one will care.
I even gave you (twice) the stats.

Here it is for a 3rd time.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2201761

I'm not the smartest guy in the room, so you'll have to translate the graph from the NEJM to show me where your majority of blunt objects killings comes from? I don't even see it on the list


What's more amazing is that some other "fair and balanced" poster liked your response, lol

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Your chart doesn't account for all
Homicides. For instance, we know kids are beat to death, yet that isn't represented on the chart. Your data is weak.

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This is your argument? True, it is leading causes, not "anything that has ever happened ". It ranges down to 0.3 deaths per 100k kids, amd "death by beating" didn't make it. Drownings, heart attacks, fire, respiratory issues all on there, all about 1/5, 1/10 the rate of guns.

So yeah, you 100% fabricated a statement about "majority".

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I don't think you know what "majority" means. Nothings fabricated other than your misunderstanding of a commonly used word.

If you account for all homicides, more homicides are done with abuse, neglect, blunt objects.

I don't see why it is a problem to require a back ground check to own a bat. We need to save lives, right?

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I think BBW had done gone and changed his screen name. Just make anything up.
So are you saying NEJM just omitted the majority of deaths to kids? Allowed guns, wrecks and suicides and congenital conditions, but left out beatings? Not just a few, but more than all those others combined?

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Make NO mistake about it…

Transgenderism IS absolutely 💯 SATANIC in nature. Ask any satanist & they will gladly admit it.

In fact, the demon embodiment of Baphomet is a physical representation of a half man, half goat with boobs & is used to represent the “sexual freedom” pic.twitter.com/DvvPOpzNgf

— The Patriot Voice 🇺🇸 (@TPV_John) March 28, 2023

Wufpack17 said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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Werewolf said:

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Packchem's solution is always more govt.

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I don't think he has a common sense approach to this. It's ban guns or nothing at all, and let's be honest, guns aren't going anywhere. Hell, we have one of the most dangerous borders to our south, a country dominated by cartels who would LOVE nothing more than to feed illegal guns into the US (they are already doing so).

PackChem seems to ignore the geographical problems the US has and how that contributes to our drug and gun problems. Most EU nations that he aspires to be, don't have that issue.

Also, the US DOES have a worse mental health issue than other wealthy nations. We have MORE mentally Ill people per capita and a WORSE mental health system.

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2020/may/mental-health-conditions-substance-use-comparing-us-other-countries

So, yeah, I think it's perfectly okay to suggest we focus on mental health and securing our schools. Nip those in the bud TODAY.

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Lol, such stupid grandiose statements which is what happens at the national level to prevent real meaningful compromise.

Look, you find the statement where i say "ban all guns" and I'll leave the site. Taht should motivate some folks!

But, if you can't find it, you go.
That fair?

I mean - it was your declaration, not mine, so I want to see you back it up

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Buddy, I've watched you from afar for quite a while , you aren't interested in compromise.

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ALERT......... re the Nasville Christian School shooting. Different shoes, watch, belt and camou shown on body cam footage as compared with school security camera footage. Something amiss......

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Let's not start with the conspiracy theory non-sense

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Wufpack17 said:

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I'm going to apologize to everyone. I'm only interested in honest conversation, and exchanging with PackChem clearly isn't an honest conversation because he isn't interested in that and it derailed the thread.

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Wufpack17 said:

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I'm going to apologize to everyone. I'm only interested in honest conversation, and exchanging with PackChem clearly isn't an honest conversation because he isn't interested in that and it derailed the thread.

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Werewolf said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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Werewolf said:

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ALERT......... re the Nasville Christian School shooting. Different shoes, watch, belt and camou shown on body cam footage as compared with school security camera footage. Something amiss......

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Let's not start with the conspiracy theory non-sense

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pictures of Vanns on her feet and then picture of PUma on her feet.

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