Jtilley said:

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James Henderson said:

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pack2010 said:

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James Henderson said:

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pack2010 said:

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James Henderson said:

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kbdavis33 said:

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Personally I'm glad James said it.

We can hope relatively "unproven" guys turn out to be multi-year studs.

But from a team that was 3 outs away from being in a major position to try and win a championship I'm kinda shocked that the guys we've gone after aren't already collegiate studs.

Maybe these adds are just competitive depth for now but I was definitely expecting AMak/Pennington level replacements out of the portal. Maybe we are still going after them. But so far I'm not on the "wow these are great options" train

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How many dudes in the portal fit the description of collegiate studs?

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Why do you need college studs? I want proven, college starters.

Buttersworth, Thompson, A Mak, Candalaria, Pennington, all fit that.

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Candalaria was our worst hitter in ACC play, FWIW. Not a great example. I realize he had good overall numbers, and was dinged up in ACC play, but still started 25 of 29 games and was not productive.

So if that is what you want, go ahead. I'll take my chances on Jaros having better than a .670 OPS in conference play.

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So you wouldn't want Candalaria in your lineup after what we just saw from last year? Yeah, we disagree.

We can replace him with Groover though if that works better.

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No where did I say that. He was a solid player, but stats are stats. You want proven, college starters. I simply provided stats that proved Candalaria really struggled in ACC play. I would PROJECT Jaros to do better, statistically. That is what projecting is.

Also, Groover was a stud. Not just a proven college starter. So that isn't a good comparison.

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Groover at CLT: .351 BA/.870 OPS/4 HRs, 14 Doubles

Candelaria at Davidson pre-State: .342 BA/1.059 OPS/13 HRs/62 RBIs/19 Doubles

I'd argue Candalaria was certainly a stud on paper when State took him if you consider Groover to have been one.

You responded to me stating what Candalaria was when State landed him, not what he did at NC State.

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Now do Pilolli. He is the best comp IMO for someone that transferred in with limited sample size.

We liked that transfer until everyone learned he was still hurt and never really recovered.

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pack2010 said:

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James Henderson said:

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pack2010 said:

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James Henderson said:

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pack2010 said:

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James Henderson said:

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wilmwolf said:

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kbdavis33 said:

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Personally I'm glad James said it.

We can hope relatively "unproven" guys turn out to be multi-year studs.

But from a team that was 3 outs away from being in a major position to try and win a championship I'm kinda shocked that the guys we've gone after aren't already collegiate studs.

Maybe these adds are just competitive depth for now but I was definitely expecting AMak/Pennington level replacements out of the portal. Maybe we are still going after them. But so far I'm not on the "wow these are great options" train

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How many dudes in the portal fit the description of collegiate studs?

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Why do you need college studs? I want proven, college starters.

Buttersworth, Thompson, A Mak, Candalaria, Pennington, all fit that.

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Candalaria was our worst hitter in ACC play, FWIW. Not a great example. I realize he had good overall numbers, and was dinged up in ACC play, but still started 25 of 29 games and was not productive.

So if that is what you want, go ahead. I'll take my chances on Jaros having better than a .670 OPS in conference play.

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So you wouldn't want Candalaria in your lineup after what we just saw from last year? Yeah, we disagree.

We can replace him with Groover though if that works better.

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No where did I say that. He was a solid player, but stats are stats. You want proven, college starters. I simply provided stats that proved Candalaria really struggled in ACC play. I would PROJECT Jaros to do better, statistically. That is what projecting is.

Also, Groover was a stud. Not just a proven college starter. So that isn't a good comparison.

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Groover at CLT: .351 BA/.870 OPS/4 HRs, 14 Doubles

Candelaria at Davidson pre-State: .342 BA/1.059 OPS/13 HRs/62 RBIs/19 Doubles

I'd argue Candalaria was certainly a stud on paper when State took him if you consider Groover to have been one.

You responded to me stating what Candalaria was when State landed him, not what he did at NC State.

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Candalaria was absolutely a great take out of Davidson, he had a fantastic career there. And I am happy he spent his last year in Raleigh.

At this point I think you are arguing just to argue. I am stating that sometimes your proven, college starters struggle in ACC play. It is a different animal. Candalaria was a bad offensive player over 25 games. If you want to dispute that, sure. But your proven guys don't always work out. Jaros/Ozze could be great players next year, they could be duds that get benched. We don't know what will happen. Just like we didn't project Canalaria to be a poor hitter in ACC play or Parker Nolan to be benched down the stretch, things happen.

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Jtilley said:

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James Henderson said:

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Jtilley said:

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James Henderson said:

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pack2010 said:

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James Henderson said:

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pack2010 said:

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James Henderson said:

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wilmwolf said:

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kbdavis33 said:

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Personally I'm glad James said it.

We can hope relatively "unproven" guys turn out to be multi-year studs.

But from a team that was 3 outs away from being in a major position to try and win a championship I'm kinda shocked that the guys we've gone after aren't already collegiate studs.

Maybe these adds are just competitive depth for now but I was definitely expecting AMak/Pennington level replacements out of the portal. Maybe we are still going after them. But so far I'm not on the "wow these are great options" train

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How many dudes in the portal fit the description of collegiate studs?

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Why do you need college studs? I want proven, college starters.

Buttersworth, Thompson, A Mak, Candalaria, Pennington, all fit that.

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Candalaria was our worst hitter in ACC play, FWIW. Not a great example. I realize he had good overall numbers, and was dinged up in ACC play, but still started 25 of 29 games and was not productive.

So if that is what you want, go ahead. I'll take my chances on Jaros having better than a .670 OPS in conference play.

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So you wouldn't want Candalaria in your lineup after what we just saw from last year? Yeah, we disagree.

We can replace him with Groover though if that works better.

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No where did I say that. He was a solid player, but stats are stats. You want proven, college starters. I simply provided stats that proved Candalaria really struggled in ACC play. I would PROJECT Jaros to do better, statistically. That is what projecting is.

Also, Groover was a stud. Not just a proven college starter. So that isn't a good comparison.

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Groover at CLT: .351 BA/.870 OPS/4 HRs, 14 Doubles

Candelaria at Davidson pre-State: .342 BA/1.059 OPS/13 HRs/62 RBIs/19 Doubles

I'd argue Candalaria was certainly a stud on paper when State took him if you consider Groover to have been one.

You responded to me stating what Candalaria was when State landed him, not what he did at NC State.

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Now do Pilolli. He is the best comp IMO for someone that transferred in with limited sample size.

We liked that transfer until everyone learned he was still hurt and never really recovered.

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What about Piloli? What he did pre-State?

Pilolli hitting .403 with a 1.048 OPS, two home runs, 14 RBI 27 hits as a freshman AA. In 2021 he was .274/.395/.495 with four home runs and nine stolen bases.

We can add Penn transfer Josh Hood as another proven starter State brought in.

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The line is skewed though, he only played in 17 games with 67 AB's when he was a freshman AA.

27 games and 95 AB's the second year with a damn near 30% K rate.

I would say that is not a proven player and there was a lot of "Projecting" involved.

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Jtilley said:

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James Henderson said:

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Jtilley said:

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James Henderson said:

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Jtilley said:

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James Henderson said:

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pack2010 said:

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James Henderson said:

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pack2010 said:

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James Henderson said:

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wilmwolf said:

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kbdavis33 said:

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Personally I'm glad James said it.

We can hope relatively "unproven" guys turn out to be multi-year studs.

But from a team that was 3 outs away from being in a major position to try and win a championship I'm kinda shocked that the guys we've gone after aren't already collegiate studs.

Maybe these adds are just competitive depth for now but I was definitely expecting AMak/Pennington level replacements out of the portal. Maybe we are still going after them. But so far I'm not on the "wow these are great options" train

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How many dudes in the portal fit the description of collegiate studs?

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Why do you need college studs? I want proven, college starters.

Buttersworth, Thompson, A Mak, Candalaria, Pennington, all fit that.

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Candalaria was our worst hitter in ACC play, FWIW. Not a great example. I realize he had good overall numbers, and was dinged up in ACC play, but still started 25 of 29 games and was not productive.

So if that is what you want, go ahead. I'll take my chances on Jaros having better than a .670 OPS in conference play.

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So you wouldn't want Candalaria in your lineup after what we just saw from last year? Yeah, we disagree.

We can replace him with Groover though if that works better.

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No where did I say that. He was a solid player, but stats are stats. You want proven, college starters. I simply provided stats that proved Candalaria really struggled in ACC play. I would PROJECT Jaros to do better, statistically. That is what projecting is.

Also, Groover was a stud. Not just a proven college starter. So that isn't a good comparison.

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Groover at CLT: .351 BA/.870 OPS/4 HRs, 14 Doubles

Candelaria at Davidson pre-State: .342 BA/1.059 OPS/13 HRs/62 RBIs/19 Doubles

I'd argue Candalaria was certainly a stud on paper when State took him if you consider Groover to have been one.

You responded to me stating what Candalaria was when State landed him, not what he did at NC State.

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Now do Pilolli. He is the best comp IMO for someone that transferred in with limited sample size.

We liked that transfer until everyone learned he was still hurt and never really recovered.

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What about Piloli? What he did pre-State?

Pilolli hitting .403 with a 1.048 OPS, two home runs, 14 RBI 27 hits as a freshman AA. In 2021 he was .274/.395/.495 with four home runs and nine stolen bases.

We can add Penn transfer Josh Hood as another proven starter State brought in.

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The line is skewed though, he only played in 17 games with 67 AB's when he was a freshman AA.

27 games and 95 AB's the second year with a damn near 30% K rate.

I would say that is not a proven player and there was a lot of "Projecting" involved.

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Right, he had COVID in 2020 to limit his at-bats that year, they were limited for everyone. I'm also not sure we were bringing in Piloli projecting him to be a starter but I could be wrong.

But if we want to add Piloli to the projection side and lump him in with Jaros/Ossenfort, do you think he panned out? Does that make you feel better about the takes?

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I think he would have panned out if he hadn't been hurt but he never really recovered from the ACL tear.

He started 47 games his first year here as well, mostly at DH but was a depth guy year two.

I just hate the takes knowing Harts background. He has proven it time and time again, the guy knows hitters.

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CLTWolf said:

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James Henderson said:

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CLTWolf said:

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wilmwolf said:

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I don't see much difference in taking a transfer who hasn't played much and taking a high school recruit, and we've had plenty of success with high school recruits who come in and play right away.

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Yeah only diff. is you have the 1 year of the transfer not producing vs. the hope of not having that type of year from a HS recruit.

Like I don't think we'd be taking Chance Mako as a transfer expecting him to play a major role for us in 2025 based on what he did this year.

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Do we have a year of these transfers not producing? It's not like either of these dues started 50 games and just weren't good. As pointed out before, this is very similar situation to your boy Noah Rogers, yet you are taking the opposite stance. Weird.

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Who was Marvin Harrison/Emeka Ebuka at Vanderbilt or GT? The guy who Vandy is choosing over Ossenfort hit 5 HRs and .250 last year IIRC. Vandy had 2 guys hit double-digit HRs on the team (10/13), they didn't have 2 1st rders starting ahead of Ossenfort.

Kind of shockd they didn't find a way to get Ossenfort's pop in that weak lineup, but maybe those guys are Marvin Harrison and Ebuka!!!!

So no, I don't see the comparison to Noah Rogers.

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RJ Austin, arguably Vandy's best player played 45 games at first on the year. Seems strange that he would get that much time there but he did. Holcomb was a top 40 HS guy but played only 13 games at first this year. Austin was the guy that slotted into the position once Maldonado got hurt and was out for the season. He was behind their best player and highest rated HS recruit.

Noah didn't need to beat out Marv or Emeka. He needed to beat out Fleming and Carnell Tate, who was the buckeyes highest rated recruit in Noah's class.

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Carnell Tate was the No. 1 WR in the country in that class. Fleming was in his class and also played some slot. I doubt we'd view Noah any diff. if he got the 17 catches or whatever it was Tate had in minimal snaps behind Ebuka/Marv.

You also could have played Ossenfort's pop at DH given how little power Vandy had.

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Fleming wasn't in the same class, he was older being in the 2020 class. Of course we don't view Noah any different b/c of where he's from and the connections he has to NC State. If anything we probably have a bit of an inflated view of Noah but I'm fine with that b/c he's one of us now.

I maybe have an inflated view of Ozzie b/c I know Chris Hart knows what he's looking for and the fact that he's got a LONG time relationship with Todd Fitz-Gerald. That tells me maybe we should give Ozzie the benefit of the doubt. Question it all you want, that's fine. You know I have some of the same questions about it but at the same time I'm not gonna call it a negative that we took him. I'm fine being wrong if the kid falls on his face. Ain't the first time and won't be the last I'm wrong about something.

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2020's No. 1 wide receiver Julian Fleming (@julian_040) was at Ohio State's spring practice today during Student Appreciation Day. Johnnie Dixon spent some time with the Pennsylvania wideout too. pic.twitter.com/5w9eXlHLe4

— taylor from bite-sized bison (@ByTaylorL) March 23, 2019

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Isn't it possible that they will target a more proven (1-year remaining) corner infielder to compete with Jaros and Ossenfort?

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Jtilley said:

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James Henderson said:

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Jtilley said:

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James Henderson said:

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Jtilley said:

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James Henderson said:

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Jtilley said:

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James Henderson said:

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pack2010 said:

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James Henderson said:

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pack2010 said:

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James Henderson said:

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wilmwolf said:

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kbdavis33 said:

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Personally I'm glad James said it.

We can hope relatively "unproven" guys turn out to be multi-year studs.

But from a team that was 3 outs away from being in a major position to try and win a championship I'm kinda shocked that the guys we've gone after aren't already collegiate studs.

Maybe these adds are just competitive depth for now but I was definitely expecting AMak/Pennington level replacements out of the portal. Maybe we are still going after them. But so far I'm not on the "wow these are great options" train

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How many dudes in the portal fit the description of collegiate studs?

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Why do you need college studs? I want proven, college starters.

Buttersworth, Thompson, A Mak, Candalaria, Pennington, all fit that.

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Candalaria was our worst hitter in ACC play, FWIW. Not a great example. I realize he had good overall numbers, and was dinged up in ACC play, but still started 25 of 29 games and was not productive.

So if that is what you want, go ahead. I'll take my chances on Jaros having better than a .670 OPS in conference play.

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So you wouldn't want Candalaria in your lineup after what we just saw from last year? Yeah, we disagree.

We can replace him with Groover though if that works better.

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No where did I say that. He was a solid player, but stats are stats. You want proven, college starters. I simply provided stats that proved Candalaria really struggled in ACC play. I would PROJECT Jaros to do better, statistically. That is what projecting is.

Also, Groover was a stud. Not just a proven college starter. So that isn't a good comparison.

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Groover at CLT: .351 BA/.870 OPS/4 HRs, 14 Doubles

Candelaria at Davidson pre-State: .342 BA/1.059 OPS/13 HRs/62 RBIs/19 Doubles

I'd argue Candalaria was certainly a stud on paper when State took him if you consider Groover to have been one.

You responded to me stating what Candalaria was when State landed him, not what he did at NC State.

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Now do Pilolli. He is the best comp IMO for someone that transferred in with limited sample size.

We liked that transfer until everyone learned he was still hurt and never really recovered.

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What about Piloli? What he did pre-State?

Pilolli hitting .403 with a 1.048 OPS, two home runs, 14 RBI 27 hits as a freshman AA. In 2021 he was .274/.395/.495 with four home runs and nine stolen bases.

We can add Penn transfer Josh Hood as another proven starter State brought in.

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The line is skewed though, he only played in 17 games with 67 AB's when he was a freshman AA.

27 games and 95 AB's the second year with a damn near 30% K rate.

I would say that is not a proven player and there was a lot of "Projecting" involved.

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Right, he had COVID in 2020 to limit his at-bats that year, they were limited for everyone. I'm also not sure we were bringing in Piloli projecting him to be a starter but I could be wrong.

But if we want to add Piloli to the projection side and lump him in with Jaros/Ossenfort, do you think he panned out? Does that make you feel better about the takes?

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I think he would have panned out if he hadn't been hurt but he never really recovered from the ACL tear.

He started 47 games his first year here as well, mostly at DH but was a depth guy year two.

I just hate the takes knowing Harts background. He has proven it time and time again, the guy knows hitters.

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Right, my thought on this is independent of Hart or NC State. It's simply I'm a little cautious about having to project two guys to come in and be major power producers when they didn't do it in year 1 at a different school.

The "let's just trust it" deal is tough to rely on here given we've yet to have a guy with their background come here and pan out.

Doesn't mean I'm anti-NC State or Hart. I think Hart is the freaking man.

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This is like the Tommy White situation when he left. You aren't going to just find a guy to replace the numbers he put up.

Amak and Pennington would be almost impossible to replace from anyway you look at it as well.

Now can a guy like Sosa take that next step like most of us think and improve on his numbers from this past year?

Thompson looks to be an upgrade in the OF as well, what if he makes another jump?

Can Hogue come back and put up similar numbers or better?

What about the freshman?

I would bet we are not done in the portal and you can still see activity at DH/SS maybe another OF spot.

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