Take the tone down a notch everyone. This is for civil debate not I'm right and you're wrong. This is close to being locked. Then you can cry to James. The flagging and messaging is getting old.

"lack of intelligence...."

LMAO....

Keep flagging my posts and crying about them while contributing nothing to the topic at hand. You've done that from the get go so no need to change is there?

Anyway per the request from Glass we should get this topic back on track.

Chauvin trial verdict is dragging on into day number two. The longer it goes on the more and more likely I believe it will at best be 3rd degree or manslaughter.

At worst there are going to be a lot of free shoes, TVs, cell phones etc.... across the major cities in America. But, you know, as long as it's in the name of justice it's accepted by the lefties.

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Take the tone down a notch everyone. This is for civil debate not I'm right and you're wrong. This is close to being locked. Then you can cry to James. The flagging and messaging is getting old.

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I think in the spirit of transparency the posters who are flagging the posts, sending the messages should be identified for all to see. If you have an issue be a man/woman about it and say it out loud.

I haven't messaged anyone about anything on this entire discussion. I flagged one, not sure if it is on this topic or the SCOTUS when the drunken rant happened last night.

I have zero issues with owning what I do.

Glass I think the pointless flagging of posts and messaging would drop precipitously if the same folks are doing it day, after day, after day and it's made public.

Just my $9.99 a month opinion on that.

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You want to talk about self aware? Wow.... can't believe you of all people are chiming in on this. Look at your posting history and show me that "holier than thou" persona.

You are full of BS if you think anyone doesn't see through your facade.

Sorry you don't agree with my opinions. Many here do.

Like I said... bring up a topic and lets debate. I see both of you do-gooders totally glossed over that little nugget to continue your rant on how "bad" I am.

And for the record you don't know me but I can assure you I conduct myself in the same manner as I do here when I am talking politics. You don't like it? You don't have to read it. Simple enough.

I'm sure you two were the same two that always complained about President Trump and his "mean" tweets. I'm also betting you both have one hell of a collection of participation trophies you "won" over the years. Typical...

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See, you again demonstrate you completely miss the point. No one wants to debate with you, hence why the participation is down. Its like, I don't want to debate with people who immediately label me a right wing race hater because I don't believe in certain programs. Likewise, I don't want to talk to someone who jumps right to "socialist" when i think its ok for the government to support some people. That is EXACTLY what you do. Its boorish, immature, and reeks of lack of intelligence.

Its like the ninnies who immediately label someone a UNC-fan because they comment negatively about an NC State coach. Aren't we smarter than that?

And yes, I thought Trump was a complete disgrace on social media who caused his own demise....yet I voted for him twice because i was in alignment with more of his policies than his opponents.

ETA: And I'll stop with the side-show discussion here. Just conveying my perspective that you've sapped the fun out of this board with your labels and rants. So own that and be proud of it.

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Yup. No point responding to someone who's incapable of being civil and rejects any nuance. I've got better things to do

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You want to talk about self aware? Wow.... can't believe you of all people are chiming in on this. Look at your posting history and show me that "holier than thou" persona.

You are full of BS if you think anyone doesn't see through your facade.

Sorry you don't agree with my opinions. Many here do.

Like I said... bring up a topic and lets debate. I see both of you do-gooders totally glossed over that little nugget to continue your rant on how "bad" I am.

And for the record you don't know me but I can assure you I conduct myself in the same manner as I do here when I am talking politics. You don't like it? You don't have to read it. Simple enough.

I'm sure you two were the same two that always complained about President Trump and his "mean" tweets. I'm also betting you both have one hell of a collection of participation trophies you "won" over the years. Typical...

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See, you again demonstrate you completely miss the point. No one wants to debate with you, hence why the participation is down. Its like, I don't want to debate with people who immediately label me a right wing race hater because I don't believe in certain programs. Likewise, I don't want to talk to someone who jumps right to "socialist" when i think its ok for the government to support some people. That is EXACTLY what you do. Its boorish, immature, and reeks of lack of intelligence.

Its like the ninnies who immediately label someone a UNC-fan because they comment negatively about an NC State coach. Aren't we smarter than that?

And yes, I thought Trump was a complete disgrace on social media who caused his own demise....yet I voted for him twice because i was in alignment with more of his policies than his opponents.

ETA: And I'll stop with the side-show discussion here. Just conveying my perspective that you've sapped the fun out of this board with your labels and rants. So own that and be proud of it.

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Yup. No point responding to someone who's incapable of being civil and rejects any nuance. I've got better things to do

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Especially when you always are on the losing end of a debate. Kinda of like the little kid that get's smacked in the face playing dodge ball and then decides "he doesn't want to play anymore."

And please show me where I have rejected any nuance. Using big words doesn't prove your point.

Glad to hear you have better things to do.......

You'd be surprised at who flags post during the day. It's people from all sides

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You'd be surprised at who flags post during the day. It's people from all sides

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I know that would annoy the heck out of me too. I don't envy that at all.

What a disaster of leadership. Disarms the national guard then prays for the "right verdict". Just an utter failure across the board.

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What a disaster of leadership. Disarms the national guard then prays for the "right verdict". Just an utter failure across the board.

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"but he waited until he knew the jury was sequestered". Is he really that stupid, or just think we are?

He couldn't wait a few days to make such a declaration?

How the hell is this legal? How does this not fly in the face of everything our judicial system stands for?

I've never been on to harp on the "whatboutisms" but damn.... imagine if President Trump had come out and said something like this with a potential powder keg sitting in every SOCIALIST run city in America.

He'd been impeached. Again.


The blatant double standard that we have seen in the last soon to be 100 days is a travesty. Journalism in America is dead. You have the propaganda arm of the SOCIALIST PARTY which is all the MSM networks and print newspapers and Fox News. That's it. There are a few insignificant sources but none on the national level such as CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC etc... all claim to be unbiased. BS.

Now if the loonies on the left don't get the verdict they want Sleepy Joe has just given them carte blanche to do whatever they feel is necessary for them to get "justice."

Nothing says justice like fresh new kicks, some new clothes, a new 4K TV, new cell phone....you know the essentials needed to achieve justice.

I pray for the men and women in uniform and I laugh at the lefties who think this is going to keep them in power.

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What a disaster of leadership. Disarms the national guard then prays for the "right verdict". Just an utter failure across the board.

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"but he waited until he knew the jury was sequestered". Is he really that stupid, or just think we are?

He couldn't wait a few days to make such a declaration?

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He and Maxine have pretty much ensured that it will be overturned if there is a guilty verdict. It's hard to imagine their commentary is for good or hope though, rather ensured chaos.

At the risk of upsetting the apple cart here. Is there any news on when they are expecting a decision. I kinda figured it would happen fast but I have admittedly not been paying much attention. Also, is there a verdict that would prevent any riots or are riots a already assumed and expected thing?

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At the risk of upsetting the apple cart here. Is there any news on when they are expecting a decision. I kinda figured it would happen fast but I have admittedly not been paying much attention. Also, is there a verdict that would prevent any riots or are riots a already assumed and expected thing?

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Keep in mind they are three hours behind us. The longer it goes on the longer they are deliberating. They also have to make sure that with as many politicians that are weighing in they come to the verdict that the party wants. But historically the longer the deliberation it usually means they are at an impasse. If it comes back a "hung jury..." buy stock in Nike, LG, "T" Mobile etc...... inventory of those will be decimated.

The Waters' Riots are happening regardless. They aren't rioting for social justice they are rioting because they are thugs, free loaders, opportunists, thieves and low lives. The DA's in the leftist run cities have already said that they won't be charging them unless they commit "acts of violence."

I was taught breaking windows, stealing, hurling rocks, soup cans, fireworks etc.. at people, setting things on fire and assaulting people were wrong. I guess with the liberals it takes on a different meaning as long as it is against anything Conservative and related to the GOP.

Funny... when you never see the violence, looting etc... when a non-person of color is convicted or acquitted unjustly do you?

You also never see when a POC is the perpetrator committing crimes against a non-person of color the media mentions it and deletes it.

It doesn't fit the narrative of division that the left and the SOCIALIST PARTY needs in order to keep the country divided and their voting base beholden to them.

Watch and see.... this is only the beginning. Whatever the verdict is cities will burn. If he is convicted it will be overturned because The Wig and Sleepy Joe were too damn arrogant and stupid to keep their mouths shut and not say what they have been feeding the media for over a year now.

Is a "non-person of color" an animal? It's not a person I assume.

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Is a "non-person of color" an animal? It's not a person I assume.

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You have to ask the "woke" culture how and why they come up with their terminology. It's their term not mine. You should know that considering.....

It's pretty simplistic if you ask me but understanding you like to be contrarian I will placate you.

Non - meaning lacking....

Person of Color - meaning person that is not white and has color or with the "woke" culture identifies as a POC.

So add the two together you have a "person void of color" meaning white people.

A NPOC as they call it.

There are more terms as well. I figured you as a "woke" lefty would know these terms.

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/918418825/is-it-time-to-say-r-i-p-to-p-o-c

Glad to help you out. If you have more questions Google is your friend.

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At the risk of upsetting the apple cart here. Is there any news on when they are expecting a decision. I kinda figured it would happen fast but I have admittedly not been paying much attention. Also, is there a verdict that would prevent any riots or are riots a already assumed and expected thing?

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I suspect a not-guilty verdict was going to generate a violent reaction regardless.
I think the Brooklyn Center tragedy last week was terrible timing / location
And I think the comments by leaders like Waters (intentional) and Biden (perhaps just ignorance of his impact??) have just added more fuel to the fire.

On this last item....I don't know, but I'd like to think ALL of our leaders would be more cautious about adding inflaming and/or prejudicial comments to such delicate situations after January 6, but clearly, many did not get the message.

We no longer have a justice system in this country like it was intended.

We seem to be ruled by mob justice now and our own president and several in congress want to encourage and support the mob setting the world on fire to make sure they get the result that they want. It's insane.

I don't disagree with your post but ignorance of impact is hardly an acceptable excuse given the commentary on presidential comments the last 4 years, especially as recent as January.

**not saying you are saying it's acceptable.

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KIs a "non-person of color" an animal? It's not a person I assume.

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You have to ask the "woke" culture how and why they come up with their terminology. It's their term not mine. You should know that considering.....

It's pretty simplistic if you ask me but understanding you like to be contrarian I will placate you.

Non - meaning lacking....

Person of Color - meaning person that is not white and has color or with the "woke" culture identifies as a POC.

So add the two together you have a "person void of color" meaning white people.

A NPOC as they call it.

There are more terms as well. I figured you as a "woke" lefty would know these terms.

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/918418825/is-it-time-to-say-r-i-p-to-p-o-c

Glad to help you out. If you have more questions Google is your friend.

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Well this is fun.....

He was advised to wait so the jury would not hear his opinion

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He was advised to wait so the jury would not hear his opinion

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It's not the jury that will be rioting, looting, burning businesses, ruining lives etc.....He shouldn't have had an opinion until the verdict was read.

Sleepy Joe and The Wig gifted the defense an appeal that will likely result in overturning the verdict which in my opinion will be guilty on all ( 3 ) counts.

There was no other choice for any of the jurors if they wanted any sort of normal life.

The verdict is going to be announced at 4:30 p.m. EST.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/live-updates-derek-chauvin-trial-sees-jury-deliberations-begin

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At the risk of upsetting the apple cart here. Is there any news on when they are expecting a decision. I kinda figured it would happen fast but I have admittedly not been paying much attention. Also, is there a verdict that would prevent any riots or are riots a already assumed and expected thing?

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I suspect a not-guilty verdict was going to generate a violent reaction regardless.
I think the Brooklyn Center tragedy last week was terrible timing / location
And I think the comments by leaders like Waters (intentional) and Biden (perhaps just ignorance of his impact??) have just added more fuel to the fire.

On this last item....I don't know, but I'd like to think ALL of our leaders would be more cautious about adding inflaming and/or prejudicial comments to such delicate situations after January 6, but clearly, many did not get the message.

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I get really tired of people pointing to Jan 6th like it's the first time it's happened or it's the biggest rioting event.

Trump wasn't the first or the only politician being fiery over the last year, 4 years, 10 years, etc. In fact most of his fiery rhetoric was usually shooting back and someone who had already been fanning the flames. There's been an increase in rioting all over the country going back 4-5 years. Last year there was rioting all spring/ summer/ fall long in every major city in America at one point or another and it was almost always ignored or encouraged by democrats... JUST like it is being encouraged by them now.

And also Trump never once told anyone to riot, or storm the capitol, or get in people's faces, hurt police, continue whatever.

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Right, and "I never had sexual intercourse with that woman" is true too.

Of course he didn't say to go attack the capitol. Nor did Waters say to go attack the police tonight.
And surely Jan 6 is not the first time.

However, Jan 6 was a tipping point. It should have been before, and should be even more clear after, that the country is at its emotional edge -- has been played by politicians and the press for the past ____ years to the point where the normal divides between us have turned into actionable events. All parties are 100% guilty of this. Those previous violent acts you reference were deplorable, and i agree the gap between Seattle, Minneapolis, and other similar places is NOT as different from what happend at the Capitol as the media would like you to believe.

My point is simply -- if leaders (of either party) continue to be either ignorantly or willingly capable of continuing to fan flames of what is clearly a super-charged environment, then we should include them in an accountability hearings.

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He was advised to wait so the jury would not hear his opinion

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It's not the jury that will be rioting, looting, burning businesses, ruining lives etc.....He shouldn't have had an opinion until the verdict was read.

Sleepy Joe and The Wig gifted the defense an appeal that will likely result in overturning the verdict which in my opinion will be guilty on all ( 3 ) counts.

There was no other choice for any of the jurors if they wanted any sort of normal life.

The verdict is going to be announced at 4:30 p.m. EST.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/live-updates-derek-chauvin-trial-sees-jury-deliberations-begin

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how awesome would it be if the jury voted not guilty and then ran out to loot a Target?

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He was advised to wait so the jury would not hear his opinion

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It's not the jury that will be rioting, looting, burning businesses, ruining lives etc.....He shouldn't have had an opinion until the verdict was read.

Sleepy Joe and The Wig gifted the defense an appeal that will likely result in overturning the verdict which in my opinion will be guilty on all ( 3 ) counts.

There was no other choice for any of the jurors if they wanted any sort of normal life.

The verdict is going to be announced at 4:30 p.m. EST.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/live-updates-derek-chauvin-trial-sees-jury-deliberations-begin

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how awesome would it be if the jury voted not guilty and then ran out to loot a Target?

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Are there any Targets left that haven't been looted? Last I saw they were relegated to looting Dollar General stores.

Nothing says racial justice like looting a Dollar General....

He's gonna get convicted on all ( 3 ) counts. He will appeal. The appellate courts, however high they want to take them, will vote to overturn and they rightfully should.

The Wig, Maxine Waters for those who haven't read the thread, saying "(sic) it was first degree murder and he should be found guilty, guilty, guilty...." is all that they needed to see in order to have "tainted" the jury.

The Judge screwed up royally by not sequestering the jury. Especially after the guy who got shot by the cop by accident.

This entire fiasco has been like a monkey having relations with a football. They rushed the charges. They rushed it to trial and the jury looks as if they have rushed to judgement.

Chauvin is at best guilty of manslaughter. That's what they should have went after and had their ducks in a row. Minnesota has some crazy laws surrounding 2nd Degree Murder and 3rd Degree Murder.

The lowlifes were going to riot regardless. After The Wig encouraged and condoned the behavior it's going to be on like last summer.

But let's remember.... this is all in the name of racial justice.

Nm

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He was advised to wait so the jury would not hear his opinion

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So you (or his advisors) don't think that issuing a clearly prejudicial statement (the right decision = guilty) is going to inflame protestors who are already inclined to not trust the legal system?

**It does not matter if you or I think a not-guilty verdict would be difficult to believe (I'm not sure how he could possibly be viewed as not guilty, regardless of what his training is).....the POTUS has a significantly different impact when he speaks.

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Where has he said the right verdict was guilty. And for the record the right verdict is guilty. That cop has his knee one foot to the right this is a non issue. He could have moved his knee. Floyd was handcuffed and on his face. What was he going to do?