Minnesota Officer Who Shot Daunte Wright Meant to Fire Taser

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James Henderson
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IseWolf22 said:

Civilized said:

James Henderson said:


Bad cops who stink at their job need to be held accountable, period.


No doubt.

Problem is, the system is set up to not hold bad cops accountable. Very, very few cops face significant punishment for their bad and sometimes life-ending actions in the line of duty.

Also, we have to be careful to not be myopic with this.

If it happens once or twice, maybe it's a couple of bad cops. If cops kill 1000 Americans year year, between three and 60 times more than other first world nations do, we have to stop talking about individual bad actors and look at how we police more broadly.

1000 deaths a year when other countries kill far fewer of their citizens is not a bad cop problem, that's a systemic problem with the way we police.
Yep, this has always been about police accountability and overcriminalization to me. Officers accused, and even found guilty of misconduct almost never face consequences. That has only started to change very recently, and largely as a response to public outcry. Without that public pressure, I doubt anything would change.

The other part is overcriminalization. Conservatives here are right to point out that white people are just as likely to face violence/death as a percentage of police interactions. However, black Americans have a significantly higher amount of police interactions. That's largely the result of poverty and overcriminalization. Low level, "quality of life" crimes do not necessitate armed intervention or jail time.
Again, I think it seems to be just as much about race as poor policing. We rarely see this public out-cry when it happens to a non-African American. Hell see that Tony Timpa clip I posted above.
packgrad
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You're not going to be able to get any traction crying about "lack of police accountability" in conjunction with a case where a police officer was held accountable for his crimes. That is unless it's just about driving a narrative.
packgrad
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I wonder if we make people that call the police pinkie promise that the police interaction will be with an unarmed person so that we can only send unarmed police to 1/3 to 2/3 of the police interactions.

I think we don't need to worry about police officer safety. Just meaningless stats that fit an agenda.
Civilized
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Chauvin rightly got convicted, although I didn't think he would get convicted of murder-2.

His verdict doesn't change the need to end qualified immunity, eliminate other institutional impediments to holding police accountable, or the need to implement other policing reforms that bring the number of Americans killed by police way down.

If all we are talking about in this thread is the Chauvin verdict, just lock the thread. Pretty much everybody on here that I've seen believes he was guilty and isn't surprised he was convicted. Trial's over. Lock the thread down.
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I know this is tangential, and in no way am i trying to justify the actions of bad cops, but I'm jaded by my experience of over 26 yrs of taking care of many, many GSWs suffered in the Triad over my training and career. I've managed them, operated on them, and testified in court over them. Those experiences have shaped my feelings, rightly or wrongly. I can't remember a single GSW I've managed in which the wounded was shot by a cop. It is ALWAYS a civilian shooting a civilian for whatever reason. The majority are saved and I've heard lots of stories told. I've always been a little perplexed that, 1. More cops aren't killed by guns every year because they're typically out manned and out gunned, 2. That more civilians are not killed every year by cops trying to do their job given the crazy amount of crime i hear about in these ridiculous situations, 3. That there is not more outcry about the sheer volume of needless shootings/killings of civilians BY civilians even in a relatively small, sleepy city like mine, and 4. The relative acceptance by some family/friends/etc of these incorrigible tragedies like it's just part of life. I've seen it all: unlucky russian roulette, a 6yo killing his 2yo sib when he found daddy's gun and accidently pulled the trigger, hunting accidents, drug deals, gang bangers, suicide attempts, whatever. That 1100 deaths at the hands of cops really, really sucks and i wish the number were zero, but it simply PALES GREATLY to what we're doing to each other. I just wish it would stop, but i don't have a clue where to realistically begin. Anyway, sorry for the tangential minirant and thanks for allowing me to vent a little.
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James Henderson said:

IseWolf22 said:

Civilized said:

James Henderson said:


Bad cops who stink at their job need to be held accountable, period.


No doubt.

Problem is, the system is set up to not hold bad cops accountable. Very, very few cops face significant punishment for their bad and sometimes life-ending actions in the line of duty.

Also, we have to be careful to not be myopic with this.

If it happens once or twice, maybe it's a couple of bad cops. If cops kill 1000 Americans year year, between three and 60 times more than other first world nations do, we have to stop talking about individual bad actors and look at how we police more broadly.

1000 deaths a year when other countries kill far fewer of their citizens is not a bad cop problem, that's a systemic problem with the way we police.
Yep, this has always been about police accountability and overcriminalization to me. Officers accused, and even found guilty of misconduct almost never face consequences. That has only started to change very recently, and largely as a response to public outcry. Without that public pressure, I doubt anything would change.

The other part is overcriminalization. Conservatives here are right to point out that white people are just as likely to face violence/death as a percentage of police interactions. However, black Americans have a significantly higher amount of police interactions. That's largely the result of poverty and overcriminalization. Low level, "quality of life" crimes do not necessitate armed intervention or jail time.
Again, I think it seems to be just as much about race as poor policing. We rarely see this public out-cry when it happens to a non-African American. Hell see that Tony Timpa clip I posted above.
As a someone who leans Libertarian, police accountability has been an issue in Libertarian circles for many years before BLM. And it's been largely a race neutral critique.
But I don't argue that the media does not irrationally seize on race in each of these incidents. I saw the Tony Timpa story on a libertarian news site at the time, I didn't really see it on mainstream outlets.
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Civilized said:

Chauvin rightly got convicted, although I didn't think he would get convicted of murder-2.

His verdict doesn't change the need to end qualified immunity, eliminate other institutional impediments to holding police accountable, or the need to implement other policing reforms that bring the number of Americans killed by police way down.

If all we are talking about in this thread is the Chauvin verdict, just lock the thread. Pretty much everybody on here that I've seen believes he was guilty and isn't surprised he was convicted. Trial's over. Lock the thread down.


Why does the number need to come down? You still have not given a reason. We are an armed society. Why shouldn't it be higher to rid us of more bad apples? Lol at lock the thread drown. So dramatic.
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Great post James. Great post.

I have worked all over the Midwest and upper Midwest for nearly 20 years. The cops in Detroit are mostly black. They get the same push back that white cops do but you know what? The media NEVER promotes and propagandizes it when a black cop shoots a black suspect. Armed or unarmed.

Now with the recent surge in violence due to the BLM movement there have been a few instances where the cops had to defend their actions. Most if not all cities in the Midwest have cameras and they are active from sign on to sign off. It has save many officers' jobs.

I have tried to post a screen shot from a statistic from Fox News yesterday but my computer is not cooperating.

Since January until April 12, 2021 police shootings:

Black - Total 52 Unarmed 3
White - Total 109 Unarmed 5

So....let me ask my friends on the left this. Do you think that these numbers indicate that the "black community" should cower in fear when walking out their doors worrying about Law Enforcement Officers hunting them down?

How many of those white people shot were shot by black or officers of another race?

There isn't a policing problem. There is a media narrative problem. There is a Marxist BLM problem that was instituted by former President Obama. FACT.

The number of white individuals shot by police on a yearly basis is double, sometimes more than double, that of the number of blacks. Before you say there are more white people let me stop you. Yes there are. But again, blacks make up for 13% of the population and 55% of all murders. So take your statistics however you want them. Facts are facts.

Whites are shot at a much higher rate than blacks full stop.

Here are is an interesting read. I will openly resign from this board, never to return, if anyone on the left can dispute the facts and statistics presented in this article. Please provide your sources and fact based information. And CNN, MSNBC etc...doesn't count!

https://www.maciverinstitute.com/2021/04/the-truth-about-police-shootings-in-america/
packgrad
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Here's some info about the pros and cons of qualified immunity. Getting rid of it altogether would be a disaster, and would certainly not help hire more police.

https://supreme.findlaw.com/supreme-court-insights/pros-vs-cons-of-qualified-immunity--both-sides-of-debate.html
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Civilized said:

James Henderson said:


Bad cops who stink at their job need to be held accountable, period.


No doubt.

Problem is, the system is set up to not hold bad cops accountable. Very, very few cops face significant punishment for their bad and sometimes life-ending actions in the line of duty.

Also, we have to be careful to not be myopic with this.

If it happens once or twice, maybe it's a couple of bad cops. If cops kill 1000 Americans year year, between three and 60 times more than other first world nations do, we have to stop talking about individual bad actors and look at how we police more broadly.

1000 deaths a year when other countries kill far fewer of their citizens is not a bad cop problem, that's a systemic problem with the way we police.
It needs to be easier to hold these guys accountable as some have had prior instances. We can think the police unions for a lot of that.

I agree with you though.
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When you have people spitting in your face, slinging feces, urine etc... at you and God knows what else you should be given a little leeway when you apprehend them.

I'm not saying use of deadly force but when you are dealing with the dregs of society I'm sorry, using kid gloves and placating to the "participation trophy" crowd isn't going to cut the mustard.

Look at how the cities that have defunded the police have turned out.

Here's a novel idea for you lefties to digest. Why don't you talk to your brethren and tell them to obey the law? Tell them when an LEO asks them to do something they comply. Tell them that simple requests aren't "disrespecting" them. Also ask them when something does go awry not to loot, vandalize, pillage, burn, destroy entire cities and people's livelihoods.

That may go along way in deescalating the temperature in the room. While you're at it, why don't you mention the same thing to your MSM propaganda machine.

Case in point....just this week a group of Marxist BLM protesters were heading across town to rouse up another protest with their MSM hacks in toe. Guess what? The victim that the police shot ended up being, gasp, WHITE. Protest cancelled, media dispersed along with the crowd.

Where is the outcry from the SOCIALIST PARTY's leadership on this blatant fanning of the flames? Crickets. The left wants to keep the country divided in order to keep their voting base beholden to them. Create a common enemy, make sure the enemy is exposed honestly or not by the media and drive the message home. SOCIALISM 101.
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BBW12OG said:

When you have people spitting in your face, slinging feces, urine etc... at you and God knows what else you should be given a little leeway when you apprehend them.

I'm not saying use of deadly force but when you are dealing with the dregs of society I'm sorry, using kid gloves and placating to the "participation trophy" crowd isn't going to cut the mustard.

Look at how the cities that have defunded the police have turned out.

Here's a novel idea for you lefties to digest. Why don't you talk to your brethren and tell them to obey the law? Tell them when an LEO asks them to do something they comply. Tell them that simple requests aren't "disrespecting" them. Also ask them when something does go awry not to loot, vandalize, pillage, burn, destroy entire cities and people's livelihoods.

That may go along way in deescalating the temperature in the room. While you're at it, why don't you mention the same thing to your MSM propaganda machine.

Case in point....just this week a group of Marxist BLM protesters were heading across town to rouse up another protest with their MSM hacks in toe. Guess what? The victim that the police shot ended up being, gasp, WHITE. Protest cancelled, media dispersed along with the crowd.

Where is the outcry from the SOCIALIST PARTY's leadership on this blatant fanning of the flames? Crickets. The left wants to keep the country divided in order to keep their voting base beholden to them. Create a common enemy, make sure the enemy is exposed honestly or not by the media and drive the message home. SOCIALISM 101.
Lmao dude I'm about as far from being a lefty as there is. If you don't think there are bad cops out there then I don't know what to say.

The police unions make it a lot more difficult to sort out the bad ones.

I'm not arguing that cops don't put up with a bunch of **** as I'm friends with 2 and there's no way I'd want that job.
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When are we going to stop talking about the issues of policing and talk about the deep-rooted cultural issues that perpetuate the behavior of many of these people? Or is talk about personal accountability and responsibility still off limits?
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Gopack80 said:

When are we going to stop talking about the issues of policing and talk about the deep-rooted cultural issues that perpetuate the behavior of many of these people? Or is talk about personal accountability and responsibility still off limits?

Why wouldn't we keep talking about both of them until their status is satisfactory?

We can have concurrent conversations but there's no reason to condition one based on the status of the other.
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James Henderson said:

I need to be President because here is what I'd do.

Within precincts have white and black cops split into divisions. When a 911/disturbance call comes in, first question is what race are you? If it's a white person on the phone, send a white cop. If it's a black person, send a black cop. As a native American I don't know what they'd do if one of us calls, but no one seems to really care about non-white/non-black people now anyways so I guess just send whoever.

But if you handle it this way when a cop shoots someone, race won't be the issue. Then it's just about the cop making the right or wrong decision (which is is what I tend to think it is 9 times out of 10 now anyways, but this will clean it all up).

See, make me President!

In the last 40 years, have we established any cases of a cop killing someone where there was one single shred of evidence that it was race related?
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Civilized said:

Gopack80 said:

When are we going to stop talking about the issues of policing and talk about the deep-rooted cultural issues that perpetuate the behavior of many of these people? Or is talk about personal accountability and responsibility still off limits?

Why wouldn't we keep talking about both of them until their status is satisfactory?

We can have concurrent conversations but there's no reason to condition one based on the status of the other.

I don't know anyone on the left talking about the latter. That discussion is completely one sided.

BBW12OG
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Gopack80 said:

When are we going to stop talking about the issues of policing and talk about the deep-rooted cultural issues that perpetuate the behavior of many of these people? Or is talk about personal accountability and responsibility still off limits?
Ha Ha!!!! Good one...... You think the lefties know anything about self accountability? They are going to blame everything on Conservatives and reap the rewards.

Trying to call out the short comings and why most of the people are where they are on their own accords. You would get in trouble.

Oh... and we can't say "comrade" anymore!! LOL!!!!
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Gopack80 said:

Civilized said:

Gopack80 said:

When are we going to stop talking about the issues of policing and talk about the deep-rooted cultural issues that perpetuate the behavior of many of these people? Or is talk about personal accountability and responsibility still off limits?

Why wouldn't we keep talking about both of them until their status is satisfactory?

We can have concurrent conversations but there's no reason to condition one based on the status of the other.

I don't know anyone on the left talking about the latter. That discussion is completely one sided.



No it's not. That discussion just doesn't make MSM headlines. That doesn't mean it's not out there.

Decreasing gang violence, decreasing gun violence, increasing mentorship, reducing poverty, increasing educational and job opportunities all get discussed politically, in academia, and in the community.

They're definitely not the blaring MSM headlines though.
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What does "the get discussed" mean?

When are the things being "discussed" ever going to happen?

And when the community refuses to call out its' own then you are fighting a losing battle.

Snitches get stitches right?
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Mormad said:

I know this is tangential, and in no way am i trying to justify the actions of bad cops, but I'm jaded by my experience of over 26 yrs of taking care of many, many GSWs suffered in the Triad over my training and career. I've managed them, operated on them, and testified in court over them. Those experiences have shaped my feelings, rightly or wrongly. I can't remember a single GSW I've managed in which the wounded was shot by a cop. It is ALWAYS a civilian shooting a civilian for whatever reason. The majority are saved and I've heard lots of stories told. I've always been a little perplexed that, 1. More cops aren't killed by guns every year because they're typically out manned and out gunned, 2. That more civilians are not killed every year by cops trying to do their job given the crazy amount of crime i hear about in these ridiculous situations, 3. That there is not more outcry about the sheer volume of needless shootings/killings of civilians BY civilians even in a relatively small, sleepy city like mine, and 4. The relative acceptance by some family/friends/etc of these incorrigible tragedies like it's just part of life. I've seen it all: unlucky russian roulette, a 6yo killing his 2yo sib when he found daddy's gun and accidently pulled the trigger, hunting accidents, drug deals, gang bangers, suicide attempts, whatever. That 1100 deaths at the hands of cops really, really sucks and i wish the number were zero, but it simply PALES GREATLY to what we're doing to each other. I just wish it would stop, but i don't have a clue where to realistically begin. Anyway, sorry for the tangential minirant and thanks for allowing me to vent a little.
I can't help but notice that you didn't state any qualifying references by race, age, ethnicity or creed (and whatever other "qualifier" that I need to recognize)... I totally understand and respect why... but we all know what you would tell us, but again I don't blame you for not sharing that information.
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Civilized said:

Gopack80 said:

Civilized said:

Gopack80 said:

When are we going to stop talking about the issues of policing and talk about the deep-rooted cultural issues that perpetuate the behavior of many of these people? Or is talk about personal accountability and responsibility still off limits?

Why wouldn't we keep talking about both of them until their status is satisfactory?

We can have concurrent conversations but there's no reason to condition one based on the status of the other.

I don't know anyone on the left talking about the latter. That discussion is completely one sided.



No it's not. That discussion just doesn't make MSM headlines. That doesn't mean it's not out there.

Decreasing gang violence, decreasing gun violence, increasing mentorship, reducing poverty, increasing educational and job opportunities all get discussed politically, in academia, and in the community.

They're definitely not the blaring MSM headlines though.
Thats in great part because the passion doesn't exist for the latter either. Passion is around the handful of cases where the government (police) acts badly. I don't sense any real passion around personal responsiblity.

**20 years ago, maybe 5, the GOP talked a ton about it (even if couched in the mantra of family values), but pretty much threw away that rock to stand on when so many fell over backwards for Trump.
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James Henderson said:

I need to be President because here is what I'd do.

Within precincts have white and black cops split into divisions. When a 911/disturbance call comes in, first question is what race are you? If it's a white person on the phone, send a white cop. If it's a black person, send a black cop. As a native American I don't know what they'd do if one of us calls, but no one seems to really care about non-white/non-black people now anyways so I guess just send whoever.

But if you handle it this way when a cop shoots someone, race won't be the issue. Then it's just about the cop making the right or wrong decision (which is is what I tend to think it is 9 times out of 10 now anyways, but this will clean it all up).

See, make me President!
damn, James wanders into The Water Cooler and brings fire
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hokiewolf said:

James Henderson said:

I need to be President because here is what I'd do.

Within precincts have white and black cops split into divisions. When a 911/disturbance call comes in, first question is what race are you? If it's a white person on the phone, send a white cop. If it's a black person, send a black cop. As a native American I don't know what they'd do if one of us calls, but no one seems to really care about non-white/non-black people now anyways so I guess just send whoever.

But if you handle it this way when a cop shoots someone, race won't be the issue. Then it's just about the cop making the right or wrong decision (which is is what I tend to think it is 9 times out of 10 now anyways, but this will clean it all up).

See, make me President!
damn, James wanders into The Water Cooler and brings fire
Nope. James just doesn't look at things from a "political" angle... he tends to focus more on "common sense" with issues like this and of course he's nailed it again...
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Gopack80 said:

When are we going to stop talking about the issues of policing and talk about the deep-rooted cultural issues that perpetuate the behavior of many of these people? Or is talk about personal accountability and responsibility still off limits?
Who are you referring to when you say these people?
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hokiewolf said:

James Henderson said:

I need to be President because here is what I'd do.

Within precincts have white and black cops split into divisions. When a 911/disturbance call comes in, first question is what race are you? If it's a white person on the phone, send a white cop. If it's a black person, send a black cop. As a native American I don't know what they'd do if one of us calls, but no one seems to really care about non-white/non-black people now anyways so I guess just send whoever.

But if you handle it this way when a cop shoots someone, race won't be the issue. Then it's just about the cop making the right or wrong decision (which is is what I tend to think it is 9 times out of 10 now anyways, but this will clean it all up).

See, make me President!
damn, James wanders into The Water Cooler and brings fire
I think it's actually a damn good idea.

I don't know who I'd get sent out as an Indian if I had to call 911, but who gives a ***** Right?
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Gopack80 said:

James Henderson said:

I need to be President because here is what I'd do.

Within precincts have white and black cops split into divisions. When a 911/disturbance call comes in, first question is what race are you? If it's a white person on the phone, send a white cop. If it's a black person, send a black cop. As a native American I don't know what they'd do if one of us calls, but no one seems to really care about non-white/non-black people now anyways so I guess just send whoever.

But if you handle it this way when a cop shoots someone, race won't be the issue. Then it's just about the cop making the right or wrong decision (which is is what I tend to think it is 9 times out of 10 now anyways, but this will clean it all up).

See, make me President!

In the last 40 years, have we established any cases of a cop killing someone where there was one single shred of evidence that it was race related?
No clue, but my proposal would eliminate that and I'd assume eliminate cop killing citizens given it's apparently heavily race-related to a lot of folks.
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TheStorm said:

hokiewolf said:

James Henderson said:

I need to be President because here is what I'd do.

Within precincts have white and black cops split into divisions. When a 911/disturbance call comes in, first question is what race are you? If it's a white person on the phone, send a white cop. If it's a black person, send a black cop. As a native American I don't know what they'd do if one of us calls, but no one seems to really care about non-white/non-black people now anyways so I guess just send whoever.

But if you handle it this way when a cop shoots someone, race won't be the issue. Then it's just about the cop making the right or wrong decision (which is is what I tend to think it is 9 times out of 10 now anyways, but this will clean it all up).

See, make me President!
damn, James wanders into The Water Cooler and brings fire
Nope. James just doesn't look at things from a "political" angle... he tends to focus more on "common sense" with issues like this and of course he's nailed it again...
You'd think everyone would look at things from a common sense standpoint. It's so easy.

Does Chauvin need to be punished? You're damn right. Do I think he did what he did because George Floyd was black? No. I think he's a cop who doesn't properly know how to do his job, at least in that instance, and for that, he should be punished for it.

Civilized
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James Henderson said:

Gopack80 said:

When are we going to stop talking about the issues of policing and talk about the deep-rooted cultural issues that perpetuate the behavior of many of these people? Or is talk about personal accountability and responsibility still off limits?
Who are you referring to when you say these people?

Carolina fans, obviously.
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James Henderson said:

hokiewolf said:

James Henderson said:

I need to be President because here is what I'd do.

Within precincts have white and black cops split into divisions. When a 911/disturbance call comes in, first question is what race are you? If it's a white person on the phone, send a white cop. If it's a black person, send a black cop. As a native American I don't know what they'd do if one of us calls, but no one seems to really care about non-white/non-black people now anyways so I guess just send whoever.

But if you handle it this way when a cop shoots someone, race won't be the issue. Then it's just about the cop making the right or wrong decision (which is is what I tend to think it is 9 times out of 10 now anyways, but this will clean it all up).

See, make me President!
damn, James wanders into The Water Cooler and brings fire
I think it's actually a damn good idea.

I don't know who I'd get sent out as an Indian if I had to call 911, but who gives a ***** Right?
Someone cares James...

Signed,

The Washington Football Team
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ncsualum05 said:

James Henderson said:

hokiewolf said:

James Henderson said:

I need to be President because here is what I'd do.

Within precincts have white and black cops split into divisions. When a 911/disturbance call comes in, first question is what race are you? If it's a white person on the phone, send a white cop. If it's a black person, send a black cop. As a native American I don't know what they'd do if one of us calls, but no one seems to really care about non-white/non-black people now anyways so I guess just send whoever.

But if you handle it this way when a cop shoots someone, race won't be the issue. Then it's just about the cop making the right or wrong decision (which is is what I tend to think it is 9 times out of 10 now anyways, but this will clean it all up).

See, make me President!
damn, James wanders into The Water Cooler and brings fire
I think it's actually a damn good idea.

I don't know who I'd get sent out as an Indian if I had to call 911, but who gives a ***** Right?
Someone cares James...

Signed,

The Washington Football Team
Thanks, while a lot of my relatives are pissed they got rid of Redskins
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jkpackfan said:


Lmao dude I'm about as far from being a lefty as there is. If you don't think there are bad cops out there then I don't know what to say.

The police unions make it a lot more difficult to sort out the bad ones.

I'm not arguing that cops don't put up with a bunch of **** as I'm friends with 2 and there's no way I'd want that job.
While we are attacking unions, let's get rid of them all. If they are not helping within the Police, think about what they are doing in other industries...
Civilized
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James Henderson said:

TheStorm said:

hokiewolf said:

James Henderson said:

I need to be President because here is what I'd do.

Within precincts have white and black cops split into divisions. When a 911/disturbance call comes in, first question is what race are you? If it's a white person on the phone, send a white cop. If it's a black person, send a black cop. As a native American I don't know what they'd do if one of us calls, but no one seems to really care about non-white/non-black people now anyways so I guess just send whoever.

But if you handle it this way when a cop shoots someone, race won't be the issue. Then it's just about the cop making the right or wrong decision (which is is what I tend to think it is 9 times out of 10 now anyways, but this will clean it all up).

See, make me President!
damn, James wanders into The Water Cooler and brings fire
Nope. James just doesn't look at things from a "political" angle... he tends to focus more on "common sense" with issues like this and of course he's nailed it again...
You'd think everyone would look at things from a common sense standpoint. It's so easy.

Does Chauvin need to be punished? You're damn right. Do I think he did what he did because George Floyd was black? No. I think he's a cop who doesn't properly know how to do his job, at least in that instance, and for that, he should be punished for it.


I think some people need to see a cop wearing a Klan hoodie while killing a black guy for them to think race played a part.

People that feel that way think that unconscious bias is a made-up thing.

Unconscious bias permeates a lot of what we do and how we interact with the world every day but I get that some people think of it as all or nothing.

For them it's binary, either the cop is an avowed racist and killed a suspect because he consciously hates blacks, or else we must conclude that race played no part at all. There's no room for a more nuanced view.

Relatedly, a lot of these issues boil down to two camps but it's not Democrats and Republicans, it's people that are much more comfortable with black and white labels, and people that view life as full of nuance.

Good cop/bad cop
Law-abiding citizen/criminal
Racist/not racist
Responsible/irresponsible

Life is full of shades of gray and unfortunately isn't always that simple.
caryking
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Civilized said:

James Henderson said:

TheStorm said:

hokiewolf said:

James Henderson said:

I need to be President because here is what I'd do.

Within precincts have white and black cops split into divisions. When a 911/disturbance call comes in, first question is what race are you? If it's a white person on the phone, send a white cop. If it's a black person, send a black cop. As a native American I don't know what they'd do if one of us calls, but no one seems to really care about non-white/non-black people now anyways so I guess just send whoever.

But if you handle it this way when a cop shoots someone, race won't be the issue. Then it's just about the cop making the right or wrong decision (which is is what I tend to think it is 9 times out of 10 now anyways, but this will clean it all up).

See, make me President!
damn, James wanders into The Water Cooler and brings fire
Nope. James just doesn't look at things from a "political" angle... he tends to focus more on "common sense" with issues like this and of course he's nailed it again...
You'd think everyone would look at things from a common sense standpoint. It's so easy.

Does Chauvin need to be punished? You're damn right. Do I think he did what he did because George Floyd was black? No. I think he's a cop who doesn't properly know how to do his job, at least in that instance, and for that, he should be punished for it.


I think some people need to see a cop wearing a Klan hoodie while killing a black guy for them to think race played a part.

People that feel that way think that unconscious bias is a made-up thing.

Unconscious bias permeates a lot of what we do and how we interact with the world every day but I get that some people think of it as all or nothing.

For them it's binary, either the cop is an avowed racist and killed a suspect because he consciously hates blacks, or else we must conclude that race played no part at all. There's no room for a more nuanced view.

Relatedly, a lot of these issues boil down to two camps but it's not Democrats and Republicans, it's people that are much more comfortable with black and white labels, and people that view life as full of nuance.

Good cop/bad cop
Law-abiding citizen/criminal
Racist/not racist
Responsible/irresponsible

Life is full of shades of gray and unfortunately isn't always that simple.
Good lord, Civ!
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Civilized said:

James Henderson said:

TheStorm said:

hokiewolf said:

James Henderson said:

I need to be President because here is what I'd do.

Within precincts have white and black cops split into divisions. When a 911/disturbance call comes in, first question is what race are you? If it's a white person on the phone, send a white cop. If it's a black person, send a black cop. As a native American I don't know what they'd do if one of us calls, but no one seems to really care about non-white/non-black people now anyways so I guess just send whoever.

But if you handle it this way when a cop shoots someone, race won't be the issue. Then it's just about the cop making the right or wrong decision (which is is what I tend to think it is 9 times out of 10 now anyways, but this will clean it all up).

See, make me President!
damn, James wanders into The Water Cooler and brings fire
Nope. James just doesn't look at things from a "political" angle... he tends to focus more on "common sense" with issues like this and of course he's nailed it again...
You'd think everyone would look at things from a common sense standpoint. It's so easy.

Does Chauvin need to be punished? You're damn right. Do I think he did what he did because George Floyd was black? No. I think he's a cop who doesn't properly know how to do his job, at least in that instance, and for that, he should be punished for it.


I think some people need to see a cop wearing a Klan hoodie while killing a black guy for them to think race played a part.

People that feel that way think that unconscious bias is a made-up thing.

Unconscious bias permeates a lot of what we do and how we interact with the world every day but I get that some people think of it as all or nothing.

For them it's binary, either the cop is an avowed racist and killed a suspect because he consciously hates blacks, or else we must conclude that race played no part at all. There's no room for a more nuanced view.

Relatedly, a lot of these issues boil down to two camps but it's not Democrats and Republicans, it's people that are much more comfortable with black and white labels, and people that view life as full of nuance.

Good cop/bad cop
Law-abiding citizen/criminal
Racist/not racist
Responsible/irresponsible

Life is full of shades of gray and unfortunately isn't always that simple.
I think you are right that a lot of folks feel a diff. kind of way in certain environments and around folks of other color. You always hear the comments about how black folks in "white" neighborhoods sometimes don't feel comfortable or safe. Don't you think that's also the case sometimes for white folks in "Black" neighborhoods?

With that being said, I think it's really, really hard for us to just make assumptions that these types of outcomes are due to race. That's a reach IMO, but I'm sure I'm in the minority and generally probably more open-minded about everything then most.

That's why I said above, if you have a black male being caught up in an issue. Send a black cop. If it ends horribly, we know it's not race-related. The same for whites, even though white cops are killing white citizens now, we'd at least know it's not race-related.

I think it's a damn good idea. Then we can really get at the the heart of what's the real issue here.
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While we are at the racist game (btw, we absolutely have all sorts of racism in the country), did we just experience systemic racism against Chauvin?
 
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