caryking said:
hokiewolf said:
GuerrillaPack said:
hokiewolf said:
GuerrillaPack said:
hokiewolf said:
I can totally see people voting for Trump and Tillis and not for Forrest. Forrest ran a terrible campaign.
How so? What did Forest do that was "terrible"?
He overplayed his hand on his stance of reopening and masks and didn't pivot to more ads when Covid tamped down what worked for him in the past - grass roots campaigning with personal appearances and rallies.
So conservatives and Republicans are opposed to reopening?! No way. Conservatives are completely against these mask mandates and fully in favor of reopening. To the contrary, Cooper's stance on the lockdowns/reopening and mandatory masks is what is a losing issue. The average person is sick and tired of the lockdowns and mandatory mask edicts.
I consider myself a fairly conservative, albeit registered independent and my personal opinion is that a mask mandate wouldn't be needed if people would take the personal responsibility to wear a mask out in public. Because some vocal few choose to not do so because of some misguided freedom principles you wouldn't even be having a discussion about a mask mandate.
If Forrest had simply said that masks aren't the solution or the cure to prevent Covid spread, but masks and social distancing are the best tools we have available right now to help keep our economy open and we should use it, he'd be our next governor. Instead, he choose to do the opposite and it is one of the reasons why it cost him the election.
Hokie, I personally have a few issues with what you've said; perhaps, this was a slip...
I am taking what you've said as: take personal accountability or we should have government intervention. The very nature of you stating someone isn't taking personal responsibility, because they chose not to wear a mask, is misguided. Perhaps, they feel as if they are taking personal responsibility and you just disagree with them. In a conservative, freedom, liberty loving society, people have the ability to make decision you may not agree with.
So, you don't agree with them on the way they take personal responsibility and it becomes ok for the government to mandate mask wearing. Yea, that doesn't align with conservatives I know...
I'm saying with freedom comes responsibility. If you want more freedom, you have to take on more responsibility. If you don't want to have a government mandate, then you have to take on some of that responsibility and have skin in the game.
There is a difference between freedom in a society and personal freedom to do as I please. Freedom in society comes with social responsibility that sometimes you have to balance your personal freedom to do as you please with the collective responsibility that we all live in a society together that has to function.
So, yes, I feel like if you choose not to wear a mask in public you are being selfish. You absolutely have that right to do so but you should also not be surprised when that selfish freedom is taken away from you by the collective society with a government mandate.
I don't think masks are the magic bullet to cure everything, but I do believe they help based upon what I've personally researched and educated myself and from personal experience where I've been in close contact with someone with COVID who was not symptomatic and wearing a cloth mask and I did not get infected. I simply choose to wear a mask in public because I do not know at any time whether I have an infection or not. All I think anyone without a political axe to grind is asking is that that same courtesy be extended to everyone else in a public setting. I think that is the key to keeping the economy open and not a huge request or an impingement on constitutional freedoms.