FlossyDFlynt said:

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How the dinosaurs died according to flat earthers

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LOL....

We got rid of moon rockets because, guess what, it's really freaking expensive to run a moon program. Plus they'd served their purpose - we'd "won" the moon race. So yeah, no moon rockets for a very long time. But guess what again: We're about to go back. The Artemis program is slated to have us back on the moon near the moon's South Pole in the next 2-3 years. Will you believe this next one? Is the moon flat too?

ncsupack1 said:

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Question, do we currently go to space?

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The manned Artemis mission is about eighteen to twenty-four months away, if they stay on schedule.

That schedule will probably slip, but it's not far away. The Chinese also have manned moon ambitions. I'd have to look it up but I think they're targeting around 2030 maybe? Could be wrong about that date.

dogplasma said:

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That schedule will probably slip, but it's not far away. The Chinese also have manned moon ambitions. I'd have to look it up but I think they're targeting around 2030 maybe? Could be wrong about that date.

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China faked their own "moon landing" back in 2013. But hardly anybody knows about it, because it was so fake that the commie Lamestream media didn't cover it.

Here's a video of the landing. Read the comments, 99% of which are calling it out as beyond fake.

dogplasma said:

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We got rid of moon rockets because, guess what, it's really freaking expensive to run a moon program. Plus they'd served their purpose - we'd "won" the moon race. So yeah, no moon rockets for a very long time. But guess what again: We're about to go back. The Artemis program is slated to have us back on the moon near the moon's South Pole in the next 2-3 years. Will you believe this next one? Is the moon flat too?

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Oh, right...yes, I'm going to blindly trust and believe known liars who only lie to us about everything, and have zero credibility on anything. I wouldn't want to be a "crazy conspiracy theorist" and dare to question those known liars.

And since when is the U.S. Government worried about keeping spending in check? Over the last 20 years the national debt has exploded from 8 trillion to 34 trillion dollars. The idea that the federal government is worried about the cost to keep producing big rockets is laughable.

The other related reason is that we changed focus to the shuttle program. We weren't going to spend on the shuttle program and continue the moon program at the same time. Especially since, after several moon missions, I think there was a national sense that we didn't need to keep putting resources into it. Why we didn't want to keep watching guys playing golf and driving goddam dune buggies on the moon is beyond me.

GuerrillaPack said:

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dogplasma said:

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That schedule will probably slip, but it's not far away. The Chinese also have manned moon ambitions. I'd have to look it up but I think they're targeting around 2030 maybe? Could be wrong about that date.

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China faked their own "moon landing" back in 2013. But hardly anybody knows about it, because it was so fake that the commie Lamestream media didn't cover it.

Here's a video of the landing. Read the comments, 99% of which are calling it out as beyond fake.

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NASA's lunar orbiter took pictures (before and after) of the Chang'e 3 landing site. Their Mars orbiter snapped pics of the Chinese Mars rover. So now NASA is covering for the Chinese?

dogplasma said:

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NASA's lunar orbiter took pictures (before and after) of the Chang'e 3 landing site. Their Mars orbiter snapped pics of the Chinese Mars rover. So now NASA is covering for the Chinese?

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Oh right...and I'm sure those "photographs" are just as legitimate as all the fake "photos" from NASA from the Apollo "moon landings" too.

Yes, all these nations clearly are covering for each other. That's the only conclusion we can make. We can debate the motives as to why they do it, but it's clear from the evidence (ie, analyzing the alleged "photographs", "video", etc) that all of these supposed "moon landings" and various other "space missions" (by India, China, etc) are being hoaxed.

And is that really so hard to believe? Look at what the nations of the world did during the covid scamdemic or with the "climate change" fraud. Around 99% of the nations in the world also worked together to perpetrate the covid-19 plandemic on the the world, and are continuing to push the "climate change" scam on the world. That's just 2 glaring examples. There are dozens more examples of huge frauds that various nations are working together to perpetrate -- eg, the 2003 Iraq War based on the lie of "weapons of mass destruction", etc.

But back to this supposed 2013 Chinese "moon landing"...just LOOK at that video that I posted above from the Chinese of their supposed "moon landing" in 2013. You actually think that is real?

I have seen the video and you'll have to give specifics about what you don't like about it. I see nothing weird.

You hand-wave away the motive behind multiple nations with different politics and ideologies somehow conspiring together to fake their collective space programs. But if you're going to make a claim like that, you'd better be able to give, at the very VERY least, a damn good reason why they'd do THAT and not collaborate in other major areas. Because nitpicking YouTube videos for blips and shadows just doesn't cut it.

dogplasma said:

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I have seen the video and you'll have to give specifics about what you don't like about it. I see nothing weird.

You hand-wave away the motive behind multiple nations with different politics and ideologies somehow conspiring together to fake their collective space programs. But if you're going to make a claim like that, you'd better be able to give, at the very VERY least, a damn good reason why they'd do THAT and not collaborate in other major areas. Because nitpicking YouTube videos for blips and shadows just doesn't cut it.

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There are obvious "damn good" reasons why they are doing it. Just like there are damn good reasons why all these nations have, on record, conspired together to carry out the covid-19 scamdemic, push the "climate change" fraud, perpetrated the 2003 Iraq War based on a deliberate lie ("weapons of mass destruction"), went along with the 9/11 false flag and perpetrated the "war on terror" fraud, etc.

These nations may appear on the surface to all have "different politics and ideologies". And the people of those nations do have vastly different beliefs. Their puppet governments, however, are a different story. The governments are all going along with the same agenda on the BIG issues -- such as the covid plandemic and tyranny, climate change hoax, war-mongering based on lies, etc. Why? Because they are being controlled by a small group of elites advancing one agenda.

Most of the governments of the world are actually ruled/controlled by a cabal of people (ie, Luciferian elites advancing a Marxist "New World Order" agenda) connected to the international bankers and their lackeys (for example George Soros, who is believed to be a minion of the Rothschild banking family). World politicians (most of which are just blackmailed puppets and figure-heads) and other mega powerful people meet together and conspire at places like the World Economic Forum, with Klaus Schwab and the people running the WEF being high-level "managers" for the elites who actually rule/control most of the governments of the world.

So, back to the "moon landing" and "space exploration" hoaxes. I've explained this several times earlier in this thread...and did so in point #5 of my initial post in this thread...this Luciferian Marxist/NWO cabal that rules the governments of most nations clearly has an ideological agenda to push when it comes to cosmology and the nature of the universe. And that agenda is to deny the existence of God, and advance an atheistic/secular ideology on the masses. That is why they fanatically promote preposterous nonsense such as the theory of evolution and the Big Bang theory as if they were "scientific fact". The heliocentric theory and "globe earth" theory are also false "science" that is used to advance this atheistic agenda -- because the Bible teaches that the earth is "immovable" (and flat) and that it is the center of the universe with the stars and planets being the ones that rotate around above the earth...and, of course, it also teaches that we were created by God, and did not come into existence by accident after a Big Bang explosion.

They are using this entire false cosmology to claim that they have "disproved the Bible", and therefore demonstrated that the Bible is NOT the "word of God", but rather just some "fairytale concocted by men". Probably the biggest reason that a huge percentage of the population of Western nations have abandoned belief in God over the last century or so has been their belief in the lie that "science" has "disproved" the Bible. And NASA and the fake "moon landings" and "space exploration" have played a huge role in that...in giving "legitimacy" to the "earth is a rock that flew out from the Big Bang" false cosmology -- with, for example, the faked "photos" of a "globe earth from space" being the supposed "ultimate proof" that the earth is allegedly a sphere.

NW, I would suggest not sharing those thoughts with anyone close enough to you to have you involuntarily committed.

grantwolf said:

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I would suggest not sharing those thoughts with anyone close enough to you to have you involuntarily committed.

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Thankfully we live in a society where we still have freedom of speech (much to the dismay of communist libtards), and Leftists can't carry out their fantasies of sending dissidents to the gulags. FYI, I actually share all of these thoughts with everyone I associate with -- work colleagues, family, friends, etc.

GuerrillaPack said:

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grantwolf said:

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I would suggest not sharing those thoughts with anyone close enough to you to have you involuntarily committed.

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FYI, I actually share all of these thoughts with everyone I associate with -- work colleagues, family, friends, etc.

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Yeah...I'm calling BS on that.

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GuerrillaPack said:

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grantwolf said:

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I would suggest not sharing those thoughts with anyone close enough to you to have you involuntarily committed.

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FYI, I actually share all of these thoughts with everyone I associate with -- work colleagues, family, friends, etc.

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Yeah...I'm calling BS on that.

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You just can't fathom that a person would dare to speak the truth and stand up in opposition to the powers that be. Since you are so used to lying and kowtowing to the criminal establishment. You think that everyone else is like you. Newsflash...not everyone is a p*ssy like commie libtards are.

This cabal must not be doing a very good job if they are letting people like you who have figured them out post all over social media exposing their 1000+ year old conspiracy. Seems like it would be pretty easy to disappear you.

grantwolf said:

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This cabal must not be doing a very good job if they are letting people like you who have figured them out post all over social media exposing their 1000+ year old conspiracy. Seems like it would be pretty easy to disappear you.

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There's a God in the universe who doesn't allow that to happen, and only allows these Luciferians so much power.

GuerrillaPack said:

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grantwolf said:

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This cabal must not be doing a very good job if they are letting people like you who have figured them out post all over social media exposing their 1000+ year old conspiracy. Seems like it would be pretty easy to disappear you.

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There's a God in the universe who doesn't allow that to happen, and only allows these Luciferians so much power.

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Seems like if they are controlling all of the countries, that's quite a bit of power.

Also....there is a Universe?

Steven1974 said:

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Good Lord, you're nuts.

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Oh wow. Never heard that smear before. How original.

By the way, that's not a legitimate argument. You couldn't begin to demonstrate that what I said was "wrong". So you call me a name. Amazing, that makes you so "sane" and "intelligent"...to parrot the smears of the Establishment and unquestionably believe all the lies they brainwash you to believe.

The flat earth view is not as "extreme fringe" as people might think, and is rapidly spreading/growing. Based on various recent polls I've seen/heard, about 10%-12% of people in the United States reject the view that the earth is a globe and believe that the earth is a flat plane.

In this video below, Travis Kelce says that "there's at least 10 to 15 guys in every locker room" of each NFL team who believe the earth is flat. This is a compilation of clips showing that many prominent people/celebs are publicly coming out as flat earthers and Apollo "moon landing" deniers (eg, Candace Owens), or "signaling" that they are by publicly saying that they are "open" to considering those views (eg, Tucker Carlson).

GuerrillaPack said:

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Steven1974 said:

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Good Lord, you're nuts.

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You couldn't begin to demonstrate that what I said was "wrong".

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I mean, short of thousands of photographs and videos over many decades, combined with stories of hundreds of people that have actually BEEN into space, this is true. And sure, you've got oddball observations like lunar eclipses and Foucault's pendulums and changing seasons and the fact that every other celestial body is round - oh, and the fact that not one person has actually BEEN to the edge of the earth. But aside from all that (and maybe just general physics), it's tough to see how you'd find a flat earth a crazy idea. It *is* weirdly entertaining!

dogplasma said:

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I mean, short of thousands of photographs and videos over many decades, combined with stories of hundreds of people that have actually BEEN into space, this is true. And sure, you've got oddball observations like lunar eclipses and Foucault's pendulums and changing seasons and the fact that every other celestial body is round - oh, and the fact that not one person has actually BEEN to the edge of the earth. But aside from all that (and maybe just general physics), it's tough to see how you'd find a flat earth a crazy idea. It *is* weirdly entertaining!

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Not real photographs/video. A bunch of CGI and photoshopped "images"....as even admitted by NASA. There is not one genuine photograph or video of the earth showing it as a sphere.

As for the "stories"....for example of those who claimed to have been on the moon. It doesn't matter if there are a few dozen or so men who claimed to have "been to the moon". The evidence (ie, examination of the alleged photos/video and other details of the alleged missions) overwhelmingly and conclusively proves that they are lying. You don't think the government can "persuade" (require by law via "national security", etc) a dozen or so men to keep a secret or lie and perpetrate a fraud? There are very severe consequences for these men if they were to ever spill the beans and tell the truth.

As for a supposed "consensus" of stories from alleged "experts" or "witnesses" who "affirm" the official narrative....there's also such a "consensus" on big things like the JFK assassination, the covid scamdemic, the 9/11 false flag, the "climate change" fraud, and many other false narratives by the criminal Establishment -- with seemingly "100%" of government and other "authoritative" and "official" sources agreeing on one narrative. A mountain of lies from false witnesses and supposed "experts" on any given subject only creates an illusion that the Establishment narrative is "true" by creating this false "consensus" (because the Establishment media only feeds you views promoting their narrative).

But the reality is that there are MANY whistleblowers and experts who disagree with the orthodox/official narrative on these subjects, and a mountain of physical and other evidence which conclusively proves the Establishment narratives to be false. The problem for most people is that they only rely on the criminal Establishment media for information, and so they never become aware of the experts and whistleblowers and others exposing the Establishment narratives to be false -- unless they dare to be "conspiracy theorists" and do their own digging and research.

Lunar eclipses are observed when the sun is still above the horizon (called a ""selenelion" eclipse) -- which adherents to the "orthodox" cosmological model try to explain away as being caused by "atmospheric refraction". This is impossible in the orthodox cosmological model, which requires the sun to be 180 degrees away from the moon and "behind" the earth supposedly "casting the shadow of the earth onto the moon". Whatever is actually blocking the view of the moon is NOT the "shadow of a spherical earth".

Every other celestial body is round, and so that "proves" that the earth is also "round"? This is preposterous, and based solely upon the assumption that the earth is also a "celestial" body. The fact of the matter is that the earth is NOT a celestial body. People operate from the assumption that the earth is also a "celestial body flying around in space", based upon the Big Bang theory, which is a ridiculous theory with zero proof whatsoever. Once again, there is no actual proof that the earth is a "sphere flying around at millions of miles an hour through space" -- no genuine photos or video of the earth "from space" proving that it is a "sphere". The entire purpose of NASA's supposed "moon landings" and "space missions" is to provide ostensible "proof" for their false cosmology. Therefore....if you throw out the obviously fake "moon landings" and their other completely bogus "space missions", you are left with no supporting "evidence" or "proof" for their false cosmology....and it becomes clear that it is all just the THEORY that it has been from the beginning.

GuerrillaPack said:

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The flat earth view is not as "extreme fringe" as people might think, and is rapidly spreading/growing. Based on various recent polls I've seen/heard, about 10%-12% of people in the United States reject the view that the earth is a globe and believe that the earth is a flat plane.

In this video below, Travis Kelce says that "there's at least 10 to 15 guys in every locker room" of each NFL team who believe the earth is flat. This is a compilation of clips showing that many prominent people/celebs are publicly coming out as flat earthers and Apollo "moon landing" deniers (eg, Candace Owens), or "signaling" that they are by publicly saying that they are "open" to considering those views (eg, Tucker Carlson).

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Well we do know for sure that 10%-12% of the people are idiots if that's what they believe.

GuerrillaPack said:

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dogplasma said:

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I mean, short of thousands of photographs and videos over many decades, combined with stories of hundreds of people that have actually BEEN into space, this is true. And sure, you've got oddball observations like lunar eclipses and Foucault's pendulums and changing seasons and the fact that every other celestial body is round - oh, and the fact that not one person has actually BEEN to the edge of the earth. But aside from all that (and maybe just general physics), it's tough to see how you'd find a flat earth a crazy idea. It *is* weirdly entertaining!

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Not real photographs/video. A bunch of CGI and photoshopped "images"....as even admitted by NASA. There is not one genuine photograph or video of the earth showing it as a sphere.

As for the "stories"....for example of those who claimed to have been on the moon. It doesn't matter if there are a few dozen or so men who claimed to have "been to the moon". The evidence (ie, examination of the alleged photos/video and other details of the alleged missions) overwhelmingly and conclusively proves that they are lying. You don't think the government can "persuade" (require by law via "national security", etc) a dozen or so men to keep a secret or lie and perpetrate a fraud? There are very severe consequences for these men if they were to ever spill the beans and tell the truth.

As for a supposed "consensus" of stories from alleged "experts" or "witnesses" who "affirm" the official narrative....there's also such a "consensus" on big things like the JFK assassination, the covid scamdemic, the 9/11 false flag, the "climate change" fraud, and many other false narratives by the criminal Establishment -- with seemingly "100%" of government and other "authoritative" and "official" sources agreeing on one narrative. A mountain of lies from false witnesses and supposed "experts" on any given subject only creates an illusion that the Establishment narrative is "true" by creating this false "consensus" (because the Establishment media only feeds you views promoting their narrative).

But the reality is that there are MANY whistleblowers and experts who disagree with the orthodox/official narrative on these subjects, and a mountain of physical and other evidence which conclusively proves the Establishment narratives to be false. The problem for most people is that they only rely on the criminal Establishment media for information, and so they never become aware of the experts and whistleblowers and others exposing the Establishment narratives to be false -- unless they dare to be "conspiracy theorists" and do their own digging and research.

Lunar eclipses are observed when the sun is still above the horizon (called a ""selenelion" eclipse) -- which adherents to the "orthodox" cosmological model try to explain away as being caused by "atmospheric refraction". This is impossible in the orthodox cosmological model, which requires the sun to be 180 degrees away from the moon and "behind" the earth supposedly "casting the shadow of the earth onto the moon". Whatever is actually blocking the view of the moon is NOT the "shadow of a spherical earth".

Every other celestial body is round, and so that "proves" that the earth is also "round"? This is preposterous, and based solely upon the assumption that the earth is also a "celestial" body. The fact of the matter is that the earth is NOT a celestial body. People operate from the assumption that the earth is also a "celestial body flying around in space", based upon the Big Bang theory, which is a ridiculous theory with zero proof whatsoever. Once again, there is no actual proof that the earth is a "sphere flying around at millions of miles an hour through space" -- no genuine photos or video of the earth "from space" proving that it is a "sphere". The entire purpose of NASA's supposed "moon landings" and "space missions" is to provide ostensible "proof" for their false cosmology. Therefore....if you throw out the obviously fake "moon landings" and their other completely bogus "space missions", you are left with no supporting "evidence" or "proof" for their false cosmology....and it becomes clear that it is all just the THEORY that it has been from the beginning.

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"The fact of the matter is that the earth is NOT a celestial body."

LOL seriously? There is no proof that the Earth is wizzing around the Sun really fast and a sphere no less? Other than all the video feeds of spacecraft orbiting the Earth, all the satellites that take pictures, the daily rotation of the Earth so you have day and night, the change in seasons and so on. How does one get this dumb?

Steven1974 said:

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Well we do know for sure that 10%-12% of the people are idiots if that's what they believe.

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It's only going to go up as time goes by, as the younger generations are the ones who are rejecting the flying globe earth Big Bang fairytale cosmology the most. According to this national survey from 2021, approximately 18% of Millenials and 12% of Gen Z'ers believe the earth is flat.

And this poll is almost 3 years old. The number of flat earth believers has only gone up since then.

https://carsey.unh.edu/publication/conspiracy-vs-science-survey-us-public-beliefs

I'm open to considering this theory but I really want someone to sail up to the edge and take pictures.

Sure, I get it. Stuff you don't like is "fake news". Makes the conversation a lot easier.

You'd think it'd be that easy but the establishment won't allow it. They're why we can't have nice things.