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DrummerboyWolf said:

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Wolfpack said:

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Wolfpackrich1 said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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Wolfpackrich1 said:

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Because I believe that it infringes on the right of a woman to choose.

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A woman has the right to choose to have unprotected sex or not. She also has the right to abstain.

Same for all males too.

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Tell that a parent of a pregnant 16 year old in a state where it is illegal to have an abortion.

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These guys are flip flopping between quoting bible verses (I'm not Christian, so not relevant) and making a mountain out of a mole hill related to an amendment versus a court ruling. Are they devout Christians or are they truly rigid constitutionalists? I feel like the argument turns at whatever conveniences them, but it won't make sense to you and I.

I can accept constitutionalists. I cannot accept trying to turn this country into a Christian state. But that's just me, as a first generation immigrant.

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Then you know nothing about how this country was formed as a Nation under God. It's in all the founding documents. All you have to do is read them.

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I have my God. Doesn't have to be yours. The constitution allows me to practice my religion freely. My religion doesn't include this abortion stipulation

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Faucianity?

DrummerboyWolf said:

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Wolfpackrich1 said:

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Because I believe that it infringes on the right of a woman to choose.

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A woman has the right to choose to have unprotected sex or not. She also has the right to abstain.

Same for all males too.

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A woman can get pregnant with protected sex. Lower odds, but it does happen.

It's a shame the left doesn't have the same diligence for contraception that they had for virtue signaling masks.

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What happened to all the justices saying during confirmation that they believed Roe vs Wade was established law?

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What of it. They never said under oath that they weren't going to unsettle the law. I notice that this confirmation testimony yardstick never seems to apply to the likes of Sotomayor, tap-dancing her way past all those pointed Second amendment questions she got, leaving the impression that she thought it was "settled law", then proceeding to immediately thumbs-down the first gun case she saw come before the court.

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It was never a law to begin with. It was a Supreme Court decision that was ruled incorrectly.

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What happened to all the justices saying during confirmation that they believed Roe vs Wade was established law?

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It was never a law! A law is something passed by congress. None of the rulings, by the Supreme Court based on a law that the US Congress passed.

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I agree with you here Cary. It's not the job of the court to make law. Roe was an arrangement that was not based in law.

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caryking said:

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Wolfpackrich1 said:

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What happened to all the justices saying during confirmation that they believed Roe vs Wade was established law?

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It was never a law! A law is something passed by congress. None of the rulings, by the Supreme Court based on a law that the US Congress passed.

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I agree with you here Cary. It's not the job of the court to make law. Roe was an arrangement that was not based in law.

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My entire family is Pro-Life. That said, when I've been asked about this, I haven't spoken one time about my position on abortion. It's been about the constitutional ruling, without mentioning the topic.

Too many folks are arguing emotionally! Too many people are trying to compare abortion to gun rights. This is all about whether or not the Federal Government has jurisdiction over the topic.

The only way we have a Federal Government is the inclusion of the second amendment. The second amendment does "NOT" grant a person the right to have a gun. No, it protects a person inalienable right to protect themselves and have a gun. So, without the "Bill of rights" we wouldn't be having this discussion right now. We wouldn't have a Federal Government!

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Congratulations on 3 years sobriety.

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Thank you. It's a day to day struggle. Each day ends with me thanking God for one more day sober.

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Wolfpack said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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Wolfpack said:

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Wolfpackrich1 said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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Wolfpackrich1 said:

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Because I believe that it infringes on the right of a woman to choose.

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A woman has the right to choose to have unprotected sex or not. She also has the right to abstain.

Same for all males too.

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Tell that a parent of a pregnant 16 year old in a state where it is illegal to have an abortion.

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These guys are flip flopping between quoting bible verses (I'm not Christian, so not relevant) and making a mountain out of a mole hill related to an amendment versus a court ruling. Are they devout Christians or are they truly rigid constitutionalists? I feel like the argument turns at whatever conveniences them, but it won't make sense to you and I.

I can accept constitutionalists. I cannot accept trying to turn this country into a Christian state. But that's just me, as a first generation immigrant.

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Then you know nothing about how this country was formed as a Nation under God. It's in all the founding documents. All you have to do is read them.

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I have my God. Doesn't have to be yours. The constitution allows me to practice my religion freely. My religion doesn't include this abortion stipulation

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Faucianity?

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You're a very dense individual, packgrad, but I'll give this a shot.

What I'm trying to do is explain the fundamental irony in constitutionalism that is placed in the very first amendment exercising freedom of religion, but criticizing this same freedom when it comes to thing such as reproductive rights. The core issue to me is you are covering up your blatant bias towards Christianity, the very premise that enforcing such standards in citizens is a form of fascism, all while claiming you are encouraging the freedom of individuals in society. This very same playbook has been ran many times over history. I don't need to remind you of those times.

You have a choice in how you proceed and I believe you have the freedom of your choice on how you proceed. You do not have the rights to tell me how to proceed. You mocking me or my culture for your gain and laughs among the majority population is the very definition of suppression.

I know people like you. I know what you're truly thinking. I really don't give a **** whether you like us or not. I'm not sure why you give a **** whether we like you.

I'm a conservative, I'm not an oppressor of religion. I'm not a Republican… and frankly I never will be.

People can have good faith disagreements about things but for God's sake don't go at people or their families about personal things because we disagree. We don't have to all hold hands and sing kumbaya but we do need to show some decency to the person on the other side of the keyboard.

Glass, I'm glad to hear about your sobriety. As someone whose watched a loved one fight that battle, and stumble often, I know how hard it can be. Keep up the good fight. I promise the people in your life appreciate it.

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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Wolfpack said:

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Wolfpackrich1 said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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Wolfpackrich1 said:

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Because I believe that it infringes on the right of a woman to choose.

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A woman has the right to choose to have unprotected sex or not. She also has the right to abstain.

Same for all males too.

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Tell that a parent of a pregnant 16 year old in a state where it is illegal to have an abortion.

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These guys are flip flopping between quoting bible verses (I'm not Christian, so not relevant) and making a mountain out of a mole hill related to an amendment versus a court ruling. Are they devout Christians or are they truly rigid constitutionalists? I feel like the argument turns at whatever conveniences them, but it won't make sense to you and I.

I can accept constitutionalists. I cannot accept trying to turn this country into a Christian state. But that's just me, as a first generation immigrant.

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Then you know nothing about how this country was formed as a Nation under God. It's in all the founding documents. All you have to do is read them.

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I have my God. Doesn't have to be yours. The constitution allows me to practice my religion freely. My religion doesn't include this abortion stipulation

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Faucianity?

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You're a very dense individual, packgrad, but I'll give this a shot.

What I'm trying to do is explain the fundamental irony in constitutionalism that is placed in the very first amendment exercising freedom of religion, but criticizing this same freedom when it comes to thing such as reproductive rights. The core issue to me is you are covering up your blatant bias towards Christianity, the very premise that enforcing such standards in citizens is a form of fascism, all while claiming you are encouraging the freedom of individuals in society. This very same playbook has been ran many times over history. I don't need to remind you of those times.

You have a choice in how you proceed and I believe you have the freedom of your choice on how you proceed. You do not have the rights to tell me how to proceed. You mocking me or my culture for your gain and laughs among the majority population is the very definition of suppression.

I know people like you. I know what you're truly thinking. I really don't give a **** whether you like us or not. I'm not sure why you give a **** whether we like you.

I'm a conservative, I'm not an oppressor of religion. I'm not a Republican… and frankly I never will be.

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Lol. Denying the "right" to abortion on a federal level is fascism?. I know people like you too. I know what you're thinking too. We've seen your cancel culture the last 6 years. Society is tired of you. And I'm glad. And you're not a conservative. You are, however, a liar. And I don't give a **** if you or "your people", that you think you speak for, like me.

One of the reasons the state of American education is so crappy this century is because it really isn't education…which should be defined as the search for truth. They don't teach civics, logic, and/or traditional philosophy. It's astounding how many people have sheepskins who don't even know what an argumentative fallacy is, or how to recognize them when they encounter them.

https://babylonbee.com/news/weird-democrats-everywhere-using-word-woman-today-almost-as-if-they-know-what-it-means

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Weird: Democrats Suddenly Saying 'Woman' Today As If Everyone Knows What It Means

U.S.Following the overturning of Roe v. Wade, Democrats nationwide have been accusing the Supreme Court of taking rights from "women." Onlookers have confirmed this to be confusing, as it seems to suggest that Democrats do in fact know what a woman is.

"Women today have less freedom than their mothers!" Nancy Pelosi took the stand today to defend "women's rights to make their own reproductive decisions." Onlookers found themselves befuddled by the rhetoric about the "women's right to choose," since Pelosi should have no way of knowing what a woman is since she is not a biologist.

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Gonna be interesting to see how this affects the mid terms, I'd imagine this galvanizes the dem base so we'll see if it outnumbers those voting with their pocket books in mind.

This time yesterday I thought the mid terms would be brutal for the libs but now I'm not so sure.

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Yeah, who cares if the communist Democrat policies (deliberately shutting down oil production, massive spending, etc) are causing astronomical inflation and destroying our quality of life.

The "really important issue" is having this "right" to murder babies. THAT'S what the nation needs. That's the burning issue of our time. That's what gets them motivated to take to the streets. To murder more babies. Unreal. These people voting for this agenda are demon-possessed. They need to just do us all a favor and abort themselves. Maybe God is taking care of that for us -- I hope all these people are vaxxed up to their eyeballs and double and triple-boosted. Good riddance.