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You are being intentionally obtuse, or just aren't very sharp if you don't understand what is meant by women and minorities speaking of the white male experience.

It's telling that you think it's "weird" for white men to deny the "privilege of being the majority". It really shows what a bubble you live in and who you surround yourself with if a contrarian opinion is "weird" to you.

"White" wealth, power, and rule does not impact their lives significantly today. That's a crutch that white and black liberals use to justify the victim mindset that runs rampant in today's society. People aspire to be a victim today. Look at Lebron and his fake racist spray painting on his gate. You think it's wrong for white people to question how they've been victimized by white wealth, power, and rule but will be the first to cry racism or butbutbut white people when white people bring up how black issues impacts their lives and society. Can't have it both ways.

You can call it whatever you want to call it. White privilege, majority privilege, whatever appeases you're white guilt. You certainly won't call for personal accountability.... unless it's white people being accountable for people that lived 200 years before them.

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Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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You can call it whatever you want to call it. White privilege, majority privilege, whatever appeases you're white guilt. You certainly won't call for personal accountability.... unless it's white people being accountable for people that lived 200 years before them.

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So now we're too far away from slavery to be accountable. Should be water under the bridge, right? Cool.

So, when were white people accountable for slavery?

When did they really, truly own it and what did they do to be 'accountable'?

In 1880?

1900?

1920?

If you say we're way past that now, then it must have been sometime much earlier. So point to that. Let's start there.

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Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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You are being intentionally obtuse, or just aren't very sharp if you don't understand what is meant by women and minorities speaking of the white male experience.

It's telling that you think it's "weird" for white men to deny the "privilege of being the majority". It really shows what a bubble you live in and who you surround yourself with if a contrarian opinion is "weird" to you.

"White" wealth, power, and rule does not impact their lives significantly today. That's a crutch that white and black liberals use to justify the victim mindset that runs rampant in today's society. People aspire to be a victim today. Look at Lebron and his fake racist spray painting on his gate. You think it's wrong for white people to question how they've been victimized by white wealth, power, and rule but will be the first to cry racism or butbutbut white people when white people bring up how black issues impacts their lives and society. Can't have it both ways.

You can call it whatever you want to call it. White privilege, majority privilege, whatever appeases you're white guilt. You certainly won't call for personal accountability.... unless it's white people being accountable for people that lived 200 years before them.

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Do you think there are benefits to being in the majority class?

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packgrad said:

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Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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You are being intentionally obtuse, or just aren't very sharp if you don't understand what is meant by women and minorities speaking of the white male experience.

It's telling that you think it's "weird" for white men to deny the "privilege of being the majority". It really shows what a bubble you live in and who you surround yourself with if a contrarian opinion is "weird" to you.

"White" wealth, power, and rule does not impact their lives significantly today. That's a crutch that white and black liberals use to justify the victim mindset that runs rampant in today's society. People aspire to be a victim today. Look at Lebron and his fake racist spray painting on his gate. You think it's wrong for white people to question how they've been victimized by white wealth, power, and rule but will be the first to cry racism or butbutbut white people when white people bring up how black issues impacts their lives and society. Can't have it both ways.

You can call it whatever you want to call it. White privilege, majority privilege, whatever appeases you're white guilt. You certainly won't call for personal accountability.... unless it's white people being accountable for people that lived 200 years before them.

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Do you think there are benefits to being in the majority class?

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Do you think I'm going to answer any more of your questions?

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Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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You can call it whatever you want to call it. White privilege, majority privilege, whatever appeases you're white guilt. You certainly won't call for personal accountability.... unless it's white people being accountable for people that lived 200 years before them.

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So now we're too far away from slavery to be accountable. Should be water under the bridge, right? Cool.

So, when were white people accountable for slavery?

When did they really, truly own it and what did they do to be 'accountable'?

In 1880?

1900?

1920?

If you say we're way past that now, then it must have been sometime much earlier. So point to that. Let's start there.

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I don't feel guilt, I just know whites are in the unique position to change the way things are done.

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Phew boy we got some proud racists in our ranks. Any way to shut this thread down?

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Yep lefties are so racist they don't even know they're racist.
It's really interesting to watch them spew so many racist viewpoints while simultaneously claiming others are racist.

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Name a civil rights leader that you feel like is not racist.

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acslater1344 said:

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Civilized said:

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Phew boy we got some proud racists in our ranks. Any way to shut this thread down?

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Yep lefties are so racist they don't even know they're racist.
It's really interesting to watch them spew so many racist viewpoints while simultaneously claiming others are racist.

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Name a civil rights leader that you feel like is not racist.

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Can a white person be racist against white people? Hard to keep track of the definition of "racism" with this crowd.

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You have yet to answer this. "Do you believe it's OK for other races and genders to tell me about my life experience, but not for me to tell them about their experience? Simply because I am a white male?"

You have said whitemansplaining is bad. But you have been unable to answer that. You have called me scared. You have asked if it blah blah blah would have made me feel better. You now are invoking Tucker Carlson. All to avoid answering the question. Because you know you're a hypocrite.

Stop using politics as a crutch? Stop using deflection as a crutch. Just talk about the issue using rational analysis and not your partisan cliches. Don't deflect and call me "scared". Don't deflect and scream Fox News, Tucker Carlson!

I know you're not a "democrat". You've told us you're "independent". Classic.

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Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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You have yet to answer this. "Do you believe it's OK for other races and genders to tell me about my life experience, but not for me to tell them about their experience? Simply because I am a white male?"

You have said whitemansplaining is bad. But you have been unable to answer that. You have called me scared. You have asked if it blah blah blah would have made me feel better. You now are invoking Tucker Carlson. All to avoid answering the question. Because you know you're a hypocrite.

Stop using politics as a crutch? Stop using deflection as a crutch. Just talk about the issue using rational analysis and not your partisan cliches. Don't deflect and call me "scared". Don't deflect and scream Fox News, Tucker Carlson!

I know you're not a "democrat". You've told us you're "independent". Classic.

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I already answered that yesterday.

I said they're telling you about the challenges of being a member of a previously-enslaved racial minority in this country. White wealth, power, and rule impacts their lives significantly and they say so.

Or if you think they're telling you something different, then please by all means amplify and stop dancing around what you think you're being told.

I don't have a clue what you think other races and genders are telling you about your life experience, if not that.

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Civilized said:

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I already answered that yesterday.

I said they're telling you about the challenges of being a member of a previously-enslaved racial minority in this country. White wealth, power, and rule impacts their lives significantly and they say so.

Or if you think they're telling you something different, then please by all means amplify and stop dancing around what you think you're being told.

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IseWolf22 said:

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Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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You have yet to answer this. "Do you believe it's OK for other races and genders to tell me about my life experience, but not for me to tell them about their experience? Simply because I am a white male?"

You have said whitemansplaining is bad. But you have been unable to answer that. You have called me scared. You have asked if it blah blah blah would have made me feel better. You now are invoking Tucker Carlson. All to avoid answering the question. Because you know you're a hypocrite.

Stop using politics as a crutch? Stop using deflection as a crutch. Just talk about the issue using rational analysis and not your partisan cliches. Don't deflect and call me "scared". Don't deflect and scream Fox News, Tucker Carlson!

I know you're not a "democrat". You've told us you're "independent". Classic.

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I already answered that yesterday.

I said they're telling you about the challenges of being a member of a previously-enslaved racial minority in this country. White wealth, power, and rule impacts their lives significantly and they say so.

Or if you think they're telling you something different, then please by all means amplify and stop dancing around what you think you're being told.

I don't have a clue what you think other races and genders are telling you about your life experience, if not that.

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There is an element of the radical left that vehemently believes that to comment on minority issues, you must be a minority of the specific class in question. Cis white males voices are not welcome except to provide unequivocal support. If you aren't plugged into far left twitter, or the conservative sites that write about it, you may not see it. There is a fascinating circular firing squad amongst "young adult novelists" right now for example. Activists in the community don't think you should be able to write fiction about characters of other races than your own and twitter led protests have gotten a series of books canceled before print.

The thing is, I don't see you or anyone on this thread trumpeting this view (I'll admit I skim most of these posts and don't catch everything). Its a fairly radical view that isn't mainstream even in the left, despite what conservative media portrays. This is why Biden beat out all of his "woke" competitors.

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IseWolf22 said:

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I bear no guilt for the sins of my forefathers. That doesnt mean I cant assess the landscape of America today and conclude that in many parts of the country, black Americans have not had the same opportunity or experience that I've had as a white man.
Economic and educational outcomes are in fact largely correlated with those of your parent. So while don't have any guilt for my ancestors actions, I can recognize that poor black Americans are still feeling residual effects of policies that have been ended.
Even now, access to education is not equal. Treatment in the justice system is not equal. I don't support reparations, but I support specific actions to address problems TODAY. Police reform being the focus right now

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IseWolf22 said:

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packgrad said:

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Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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You can call it whatever you want to call it. White privilege, majority privilege, whatever appeases you're white guilt. You certainly won't call for personal accountability.... unless it's white people being accountable for people that lived 200 years before them.

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So now we're too far away from slavery to be accountable. Should be water under the bridge, right? Cool.

So, when were white people accountable for slavery?

When did they really, truly own it and what did they do to be 'accountable'?

In 1880?

1900?

1920?

If you say we're way past that now, then it must have been sometime much earlier. So point to that. Let's start there.

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Avoid and deflect. Also, love how you're all in on white people having to be accountable for things other white people did. Would be racist if we did that with, let's say, black people. White guilt must keep you up at night.

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Who should be primarily accountable for things white people did? Black people? Natives? LOLOLOL. Somebody's got to be accountable. Or are you saying nobody should be? Black Americans and Native Americans can do their part but policy changes require white support since we're the majority.

That's not racist it's just common sense. It's a numbers game.

I don't feel guilt, I just know whites are in the unique position to change the way things are done.

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It's not racist? Lol. White people should be accountable for things they had nothing to do with simply because they're white. And that's not racist? Lol.

While you're doing your common sense numbers game, do violent crime and murder. Let's get things cleaned up there using common sense numbers to determine accountability.

You clearly don't feel white guilt. You just feel white people should be responsible for things they did not do. Totally not white guilt....

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I bear no guilt for the sins of my forefathers. That doesnt mean I cant assess the landscape of America today and conclude that in many parts of the country, black Americans have not had the same opportunity or experience that I've had as a white man.
Economic and educational outcomes are in fact largely correlated with those of your parent. So while don't have any guilt for my ancestors actions, I can recognize that poor black Americans are still feeling residual effects of policies that have been ended.
Even now, access to education is not equal. Treatment in the justice system is not equal. I don't support reparations, but I support specific actions to address problems TODAY. Police reform being the focus right now

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IseWolf22 said:

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I bear no guilt for the sins of my forefathers. That doesnt mean I cant assess the landscape of America today and conclude that in many parts of the country, black Americans have not had the same opportunity or experience that I've had as a white man.
Economic and educational outcomes are in fact largely correlated with those of your parent. So while don't have any guilt for my ancestors actions, I can recognize that poor black Americans are still feeling residual effects of policies that have been ended.
Even now, access to education is not equal. Treatment in the justice system is not equal. I don't support reparations, but I support specific actions to address problems TODAY. Police reform being the focus right now

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Pacfanweb said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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packgrad said:

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Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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You can call it whatever you want to call it. White privilege, majority privilege, whatever appeases you're white guilt. You certainly won't call for personal accountability.... unless it's white people being accountable for people that lived 200 years before them.

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So now we're too far away from slavery to be accountable. Should be water under the bridge, right? Cool.

So, when were white people accountable for slavery?

When did they really, truly own it and what did they do to be 'accountable'?

In 1880?

1900?

1920?

If you say we're way past that now, then it must have been sometime much earlier. So point to that. Let's start there.

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Avoid and deflect. Also, love how you're all in on white people having to be accountable for things other white people did. Would be racist if we did that with, let's say, black people. White guilt must keep you up at night.

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Who should be primarily accountable for things white people did? Black people? Natives? LOLOLOL. Somebody's got to be accountable. Or are you saying nobody should be? Black Americans and Native Americans can do their part but policy changes require white support since we're the majority.

That's not racist it's just common sense. It's a numbers game.

I don't feel guilt, I just know whites are in the unique position to change the way things are done.

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It's not racist? Lol. White people should be accountable for things they had nothing to do with simply because they're white. And that's not racist? Lol.

While you're doing your common sense numbers game, do violent crime and murder. Let's get things cleaned up there using common sense numbers to determine accountability.

You clearly don't feel white guilt. You just feel white people should be responsible for things they did not do. Totally not white guilt....

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I bear no guilt for the sins of my forefathers. That doesnt mean I cant assess the landscape of America today and conclude that in many parts of the country, black Americans have not had the same opportunity or experience that I've had as a white man.
Economic and educational outcomes are in fact largely correlated with those of your parent. So while don't have any guilt for my ancestors actions, I can recognize that poor black Americans are still feeling residual effects of policies that have been ended.
Even now, access to education is not equal. Treatment in the justice system is not equal. I don't support reparations, but I support specific actions to address problems TODAY. Police reform being the focus right now

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I agree with most of that, except the education part.

In what way is "access to education not equal"? I'd say black's "access to education" is BETTER.

They go to the same schools K-12. So equal access there.

If they qualify for a 4 year college, there are far more options in the way of scholarships and grants for them, than for a white person...simply based on race.

I suspect it's the same for a CC.

So how is their 'access to education' not equal?

I still say their "attitude towards education" is what the real problem is.

But yeah, in the past, there's no doubt that their opportunity wasn't the same....I just don't believe that's the case now. I think THEY are the primary ones holding themselves back at this point, and it's been that way for a good long while, now.

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Pacfanweb said:

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It's not the schools, it's the students.
public schools are teaching the same material to all the students. Doesn't matter if they're rich or poor.

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Pacfanweb said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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packgrad said:

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Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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You can call it whatever you want to call it. White privilege, majority privilege, whatever appeases you're white guilt. You certainly won't call for personal accountability.... unless it's white people being accountable for people that lived 200 years before them.

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So now we're too far away from slavery to be accountable. Should be water under the bridge, right? Cool.

So, when were white people accountable for slavery?

When did they really, truly own it and what did they do to be 'accountable'?

In 1880?

1900?

1920?

If you say we're way past that now, then it must have been sometime much earlier. So point to that. Let's start there.

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Avoid and deflect. Also, love how you're all in on white people having to be accountable for things other white people did. Would be racist if we did that with, let's say, black people. White guilt must keep you up at night.

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Who should be primarily accountable for things white people did? Black people? Natives? LOLOLOL. Somebody's got to be accountable. Or are you saying nobody should be? Black Americans and Native Americans can do their part but policy changes require white support since we're the majority.

That's not racist it's just common sense. It's a numbers game.

I don't feel guilt, I just know whites are in the unique position to change the way things are done.

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It's not racist? Lol. White people should be accountable for things they had nothing to do with simply because they're white. And that's not racist? Lol.

While you're doing your common sense numbers game, do violent crime and murder. Let's get things cleaned up there using common sense numbers to determine accountability.

You clearly don't feel white guilt. You just feel white people should be responsible for things they did not do. Totally not white guilt....

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I bear no guilt for the sins of my forefathers. That doesnt mean I cant assess the landscape of America today and conclude that in many parts of the country, black Americans have not had the same opportunity or experience that I've had as a white man.
Economic and educational outcomes are in fact largely correlated with those of your parent. So while don't have any guilt for my ancestors actions, I can recognize that poor black Americans are still feeling residual effects of policies that have been ended.
Even now, access to education is not equal. Treatment in the justice system is not equal. I don't support reparations, but I support specific actions to address problems TODAY. Police reform being the focus right now

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I agree with most of that, except the education part.

In what way is "access to education not equal"? I'd say black's "access to education" is BETTER.

They go to the same schools K-12. So equal access there.

If they qualify for a 4 year college, there are far more options in the way of scholarships and grants for them, than for a white person...simply based on race.

I suspect it's the same for a CC.

So how is their 'access to education' not equal?

I still say their "attitude towards education" is what the real problem is.

But yeah, in the past, there's no doubt that their opportunity wasn't the same....I just don't believe that's the case now. I think THEY are the primary ones holding themselves back at this point, and it's been that way for a good long while, now.

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What Civ is basically saying is, "it's not the players, it's the coaches".

Which COULD be true in some instances, but not when you're talking large numbers like we are here.

You can't give Coach K the roster from UNCW and have him win or even be competitive in the ACC with it. The roster just isn't talented enough.

In this case, the "talent" is the students....and this particular "talent" can be, and IS cultivated in the home. So by the time the "coaches" (teachers in this instance) get to work with the "talent", the die has already been cast.

Why do you think the behavior problems are worse at the "poor"/"black" schools? Why do you think that when schools are pretty diverse, most of the behavior problems come from the black kids?

It's the parenting. And remember....73% of black babies are born to unwed mothers, and most black kids are raised in single parent homes.
That leads us to what we have now.

You could completely switch the student populations of a "rich" school with a "poor" one, and the student outcomes would remain the same, because the parenting would still be the same. The teachers at the "best" schools would have a negligible effect on those "poor school" students. Because a teacher is no better than his/her students.

That's why charter schools and private schools out-perform regular public schools....Just by the nature of the beast, those schools require more-involved parents. When a parent is making that kind of time investment in their kids, they tend to demand/expect more of them in school, and the kids tend to deliver.

Charters don't have better test scores because their teachers are better, they have better scores because their STUDENTS are better.

There's not a thing you can change about schools, the gov't, the legal system, cops....NOTHING can change these poor outcomes until you fix things where they start: In the home.

Now, I'm sure plenty of white people are willing to help fix that, but you can only lead the horse to water.....

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IseWolf22 said:

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Pacfanweb said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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packgrad said:

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Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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You can call it whatever you want to call it. White privilege, majority privilege, whatever appeases you're white guilt. You certainly won't call for personal accountability.... unless it's white people being accountable for people that lived 200 years before them.

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So now we're too far away from slavery to be accountable. Should be water under the bridge, right? Cool.

So, when were white people accountable for slavery?

When did they really, truly own it and what did they do to be 'accountable'?

In 1880?

1900?

1920?

If you say we're way past that now, then it must have been sometime much earlier. So point to that. Let's start there.

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Avoid and deflect. Also, love how you're all in on white people having to be accountable for things other white people did. Would be racist if we did that with, let's say, black people. White guilt must keep you up at night.

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Who should be primarily accountable for things white people did? Black people? Natives? LOLOLOL. Somebody's got to be accountable. Or are you saying nobody should be? Black Americans and Native Americans can do their part but policy changes require white support since we're the majority.

That's not racist it's just common sense. It's a numbers game.

I don't feel guilt, I just know whites are in the unique position to change the way things are done.

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It's not racist? Lol. White people should be accountable for things they had nothing to do with simply because they're white. And that's not racist? Lol.

While you're doing your common sense numbers game, do violent crime and murder. Let's get things cleaned up there using common sense numbers to determine accountability.

You clearly don't feel white guilt. You just feel white people should be responsible for things they did not do. Totally not white guilt....

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I bear no guilt for the sins of my forefathers. That doesnt mean I cant assess the landscape of America today and conclude that in many parts of the country, black Americans have not had the same opportunity or experience that I've had as a white man.
Economic and educational outcomes are in fact largely correlated with those of your parent. So while don't have any guilt for my ancestors actions, I can recognize that poor black Americans are still feeling residual effects of policies that have been ended.
Even now, access to education is not equal. Treatment in the justice system is not equal. I don't support reparations, but I support specific actions to address problems TODAY. Police reform being the focus right now

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I agree with most of that, except the education part.

In what way is "access to education not equal"? I'd say black's "access to education" is BETTER.

They go to the same schools K-12. So equal access there.

If they qualify for a 4 year college, there are far more options in the way of scholarships and grants for them, than for a white person...simply based on race.

I suspect it's the same for a CC.

So how is their 'access to education' not equal?

I still say their "attitude towards education" is what the real problem is.

But yeah, in the past, there's no doubt that their opportunity wasn't the same....I just don't believe that's the case now. I think THEY are the primary ones holding themselves back at this point, and it's been that way for a good long while, now.

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Primarily black public schools do not have the same level of funding as nearby primarily white schools. A lot of that is based on property tax being a major source of schools revenue. They also tend to suffer from less experienced teachers and higher teacher turnover.

Poverty breeds poor scholastic outcomes. If your single parent is working two jobs, they may not have hours in the day to help your kid with homework. Those kids have to "stay on track" with less supervision, less support, and often a lack of role models. I read an article recently where a 17 year old was interviewed. He said that many of his friends have been shot before and he just hoped that he would live long enough to "make a baby before I die." That's a heartbreaking statement, because I don't see how you come to it unless you have absolutely no hope that your situation can be improved.

How can you improve that situation? That's the million dollar question but just saying that it's cultural and throwing your hands in the air means that nothing changes and the cycle of poverty continues. If I was ruler of the US, I'd decriminalize most drugs. I'd waive cash bail for most non-violent offenses. Released felons should be able to get decent jobs if they've reformed. Many states won't let felons work in random fields like barbershops due to moral clauses in their licensing rules. I want less people locked up overall and those that are released to have less barriers to rejoining the workforce. You've mentioned the single mother birth rate for black children, but a lot of that is due to a lack of marriageable men. Some black communities are heavily skewed female due to the number of men either in prison, or lacking any economic prospects

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Anecdotes are great, but you can't just say "work hard *******s" and think the problem is solved. Ise, and a few others, are onto something with their previous posts.

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