Why do you believe Alex Jones is so bad?PackBacker07 said:
I'm not going to debate the First Amendment here, but I will chime in and say Alex Jones is one of the worst people on the face of this earth. I'm glad some folks are coming around to this.
With all due respect she's not closing down his social media accounts. Bad comparison.Wolfer79 said:
Conservative talk host trying to silence someone, guess it is not just liberals that try to silence people they do not agree with on topics
BP Cox said:With all due respect she's not closing down his social media accounts. Bad comparison.Wolfer79 said:
Conservative talk host trying to silence someone, guess it is not just liberals that try to silence people they do not agree with on topics
I think this gets back to the ultimate goal of trying to take down talk radio...the one area that the right actually has a free platform to speak.
And yet some will cheer this...which is seriously political fascism at its finest form.
Free speech includes the freedom to ignore people you don't care to hear the opinions of. More people need to learn how to do this instead of being "offended" at every turn in their daily lives. Offended culture status is political correctness on steroids.
BP Cox said:With all due respect she's not closing down his social media accounts. Bad comparison.Wolfer79 said:
Conservative talk host trying to silence someone, guess it is not just liberals that try to silence people they do not agree with on topics
I think this gets back to the ultimate goal of trying to take down talk radio...the one area that the right actually has a free platform to speak.
And yet some will cheer this...which is seriously political fascism at its finest form.
Free speech includes the freedom to ignore people you don't care to hear the opinions of. More people need to learn how to do this instead of being "offended" at every turn in their daily lives. Offended culture status is political correctness on steroids.
100% correct with the comparison to talk radio. This is all about political power. The Left just wants to shut down their competition. And the internet, where real freedom of speech exists (unlike Leftist-controlled press, television, and Hollywood), is where the right has the platform to speak, and as a result is now making gains in the culture war and politically.BP Cox said:
I think this gets back to the ultimate goal of trying to take down talk radio...the one area that the right actually has a free platform to speak.
And yet some will cheer this...which is seriously political fascism at its finest form.
Free speech includes the freedom to ignore people you don't care to hear the opinions of. More people need to learn how to do this instead of being "offended" at every turn in their daily lives. Offended culture status is political correctness on steroids.
GuerrillaPack said:100% correct with the comparison to talk radio. This is all about political power. The Left just wants to shut down their competition. And the internet, where real freedom of speech exists (unlike Leftist-controlled press, television, and Hollywood), is where the right has the platform to speak, and as a result is now making gains in the culture war and politically.BP Cox said:
I think this gets back to the ultimate goal of trying to take down talk radio...the one area that the right actually has a free platform to speak.
And yet some will cheer this...which is seriously political fascism at its finest form.
Free speech includes the freedom to ignore people you don't care to hear the opinions of. More people need to learn how to do this instead of being "offended" at every turn in their daily lives. Offended culture status is political correctness on steroids.
Here is an excellent video on the whole situation, that brings up a number of very good points, including:
1. The Left hysterically argued that a few Russian bots supposedly "undermined our democracy" by allegedly promoting a few stories in the media. Yet, the Left cheers the draconian censorship of a vast number of conservatives on social media platforms. Isn't this a REAL case of attempting to "undermine our democracy" by trying to shut down the political speech of the conservative/right side?
2. The premise of a democratic form of government is that the average person is smart enough to analyze a ton of information and make intelligent decisions on how to govern our nation. Yet, the Left and Establishment are making the argument that the opinions of the "conspiracy theorists" and conservatives are too "dangerous" to allow the public to even hear these arguments. They argue that the masses must be told how to think and vote by the Left/Establishment, and not be allowed to even consider alternative viewpoints.
3. The Left uses "hate speech" as the excuse to censor conservatives. But "hate speech" IS protected by the First Amendment. Furthermore, it is a subjective standard and it is enforced with a huge double standard. The Left hates Christians, conservatives, and white people. But they do not censor Leftists on these platforms when they espouse their hatred against Christians, conservatives, and white people. For example, Twitter does not censor prominent Leftist actors/etc when they openly call for Trump to be assassinated, or the thousands of tweets espousing hatred of white people (such as those by Sarah Jeong of the New York Times). And conservatives are censored for "Islamophobia", but Leftists openly espouse their hatred of Christianity without being censored.
This explains a lot.Wolfer79 said:
Saying the Left hates Christians is a much of a false statement as saying the Right cares about unborn children but are ok with children being shot while in school.
GuerrillaPack said:
By the way, Mark Zuckerberg personally ordered the ban of InfoWars on Facebook.
GuerrillaPack said:Why do you believe Alex Jones is so bad?PackBacker07 said:
I'm not going to debate the First Amendment here, but I will chime in and say Alex Jones is one of the worst people on the face of this earth. I'm glad some folks are coming around to this.
I'm not a parody. Everything I'm posting in these forums is what I believe. Is it really that hard to believe that someone supports Alex Jones when he is one of the most popular media figures in the nation, and was one of the top media figures who backed Trump and helped him get elected?Civilized said:GuerrillaPack said:Why do you believe Alex Jones is so bad?PackBacker07 said:
I'm not going to debate the First Amendment here, but I will chime in and say Alex Jones is one of the worst people on the face of this earth. I'm glad some folks are coming around to this.
I hope you're a parody poster.
Why is he "so bad"? Because he preys on gullible, less intelligent, desperate, and uneducated to either make himself rich or make himself feel important. OKC bombing, 9/11, vaccines, staged moon landings, NWO, etc.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2018/08/16/alex-jones-top-10-health-claims-and-why-they-are-wrong/#68b5935f3e7f
https://www.infowars.com/fbi-says-no-one-killed-at-sandy-hook/
https://www.infowars.com/proof-the-okc-bombing-was-an-inside-job/
He's either a complete loon or a moderate loon that's completely opportunistic and has made himself rich peddling this tribal, pseudo-anti-establishment tripe. Either way, pushing these conspiracy theories has direct and extremely significant negative effects on American health and culture.
No one that's a reasonably critical thinker denies that he's a loon. The only question is what to do about it.
GuerrillaPack said:
I'm not a parody. Everything I'm posting in these forums is what I believe. Is it really that hard to believe that someone supports Alex Jones when he is one of the most popular media figures in the nation, and was one of the top media figures who backed Trump and helped him get elected?
I disagree with Alex Jones on a few important issues, but have found that ~98% of what he says is completely accurate, and backed up by evidence. His positions are only "shocking" because they so drastically differ from the narratives force fed by the Establishment media. But it is actually the Establishment media that cannot be trusted, and who has deceived the public over and over on issues of great importance -- eg: 2003 Iraq War, arming of ISIS in Syria, JFK assassination, and many other examples.
The only way someone can call Alex Jones a "loon" is if they trust the government/Establishment on all these issues, and have not truly investigated and considered alternative viewpoints. If someone actually looks into the arguments for Jones' positions, they will find that there is abundant evidence supporting them.
As an example, I will show you evidence from one of the issues you mentioned -- the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. Are you aware that there were bombs that exploded inside the building? Eyewitnesses (and even seismographs) recorded that there were more than one explosion that caused the building to collapse. And local news channels in Oklahoma City had multiple reports of unexploded bombs being removed from inside the building! Bomb experts analyzed the bombing, and have shown that there is no way an ANFO truck bomb located across the street could have caused the damage. There had to be explosives placed on structural support columns in order to cause that damage.
Here is a short video with Oklahoma City local news channels giving many reports of the multiple explosions and unexploded bombs removed from inside the building:
Now...if you are going to seriously argue against Alex Jones, you need to address substantive evidence such as this. Calling him names such as "loon" is not a valid argument. It's smear tactics.
I agree with essentially all of those points, more or less. Although I might phrase some of the statements slightly differently -- for example, it's not the "government" using chemicals to turn frogs gay. But this is actually occurring.Civilized said:
How many of the following do you NOT side with Alex Jones on:
The government is employing weather weapons
The government is using chemicals to turn people and frogs gay
The fluoride in drinking water is making people dumb
The life-ruining Human Papilloma Virus (HPV) Vaccine is being pushed on young women around the world
Bill Gates' philanthropic work is part of a mass eugenics effort
The government created the Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) epidemic
Government climate change data is fabricated
Vaccines cause autism and this has been covered up by the government, and the pharmaceutical industry
The Sandy Hook shooting was staged to promote gun control
9/11 was an inside job by the U.S. government as a pretext for going to war
No. No idea who you are talking about.Amphibious said:
I think it is pretty clear that Guerilla was NorthWolf on PP. lol
Let's address the issue of fluoride.Civilized said:
How many of the following do you NOT side with Alex Jones on:
The government is employing weather weapons
The government is using chemicals to turn people and frogs gay
The fluoride in drinking water is making people dumb
The life-ruining Human Papilloma Virus (HPV) Vaccine is being pushed on young women around the world
Bill Gates' philanthropic work is part of a mass eugenics effort
The government created the Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) epidemic
Government climate change data is fabricated
Vaccines cause autism and this has been covered up by the government, and the pharmaceutical industry
The Sandy Hook shooting was staged to promote gun control
9/11 was an inside job by the U.S. government as a pretext for going to war
GuerrillaPack said:Let's address issue of fluoride.Civilized said:
How many of the following do you NOT side with Alex Jones on:
The government is employing weather weapons
The government is using chemicals to turn people and frogs gay
The fluoride in drinking water is making people dumb
The life-ruining Human Papilloma Virus (HPV) Vaccine is being pushed on young women around the world
Bill Gates' philanthropic work is part of a mass eugenics effort
The government created the Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) epidemic
Government climate change data is fabricated
Vaccines cause autism and this has been covered up by the government, and the pharmaceutical industry
The Sandy Hook shooting was staged to promote gun control
9/11 was an inside job by the U.S. government as a pretext for going to war
Here is a Harvard study that Alex Jones routinely cites. It says that even slight exposure to fluoride is toxic, and that fluoride can lower IQ from around 7-15 points, and they recommend that more study be done to determine it's negative impact on children's cognitive development.
Harvard School of Public Health: "Impact of fluoride on neurological development in children"
Quote:
"In a meta-analysis, researchers from Harvard School of Public Health (HSPH) and China Medical University in Shenyang for the first time combined 27 studies and found strong indications that fluoride may adversely affect cognitive development in children. Based on the findings, the authors say that this risk should not be ignored, and that more research on fluoride's impact on the developing brain is warranted.
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The average loss in IQ was reported as a standardized weighted mean difference of 0.45, which would be approximately equivalent to seven IQ points for commonly used IQ scores with a standard deviation of 15.* Some studies suggested that even slightly increased fluoride exposure could be toxic to the brain. Thus, children in high-fluoride areas had significantly lower IQ scores than those who lived in low-fluoride areas."