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Civ: he was MAGA

Police: He had anti fascist and trans writing on his rounds

Also Civ: he was a Republican

Kids parents: he became an Antifa supporter

Civ: it's clear he was MAGA

Friend: he became radical the last 2-3 years, was in the DSA.

Civ: yep…he's a republican

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You're aware that Nick Fuentes and other alt-right extremist agitators and folks like Laura Loomer regularly called out Charlie Kirk as being fascist, right? That they viewed him as being too establishment and not right enough?

You're also aware that the slogans on the bullets are anti-trans, anti-gay slogans commonly used by followers of Fuentes?

And finally you're aware that Nick Fuentes himself came out yesterday denouncing and disavowing violence by his followers?

Fox News likely didn't mention any of this yesterday I bet but the biggest clue that this kid may not have been the rad-lib lefty convert you're making him out to be is the crickets from all the leaders and advisors that were so irresponsibly calling for civil war and crying about the radical left for a day and a half.

Think maybe that's a sign they think the call may have come from inside the building?

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One of the bullets read "Hey fascist, catch". I guess msnbc must've left that one off. He was a leftist and I can't believe you're arguing otherwise but I shouldn't be surprised.

I guess the governor and his family are all lying.

"At a press conference announcing Robinson's arrest Friday, Utah Gov. Spencer Cox said a family member told investigators, "Robinson had become more political in recent years," and expressed dislike for Kirk, who Robinson said was "full of hate" and "spreading hate."
Investigators are still looking through evidence and trying to determine a motive in the slaying.
Along with a bolt-action rifle that was abandoned in a wooded area, investigators also recovered ammunition that bore various markings, according to authorities.
Engraving on one bullet casing in the rifle read, "Hey fascist! Catch!" according to Cox.
Other casings bore references to memes from online chat rooms, including "notices, bulges, OwO, what's this?" and "If you read this, you are gay LMAO." One was etched with lyrics from an Italian antifascism song from World War II
When asked about the motive of the gunman, Cox suggested the "Hey fascist" marking clearly showed the gunman's intent: "I think that speaks for itself," he said."

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Yep, go read about Fuentes' Groyper culture. Nearly a million of his followers get to listen to Fuentes regularly accuse Kirk of being a fascist.

And then listen to Fuentes disavow violence by his followers yesterday. That community thinks Robinson was quite possibly one of them.

All these slogans fit more neatly within that group than any other. Again, anti-gay, anti-trans, anti-fascism is exactly what they're about.

Most shooters like this profile as young, white, disaffected, and without any coherent ideology.

But if you're taking bets, doesn't it seem somewhat more likely that a kid that grew up ensconced in right-wing culture and wore Trump Halloween costumes and loved guns and was raised in a very conservative church in a very conservative state went a few clicks further right, and found Fuentes, than he suddenly went twenty clicks left and suddenly fell into rad-lib extremism (which is also far less often violent)?

I mean anything is possible but which seems more probable?

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Lmfao holy hell. I'm gonna do the board a favor and stop responding to **** like this.

As gulf mentioned, one of the bullets read bella ciao bella which is a song the global left has rallied around including antifa. I seriously can't believe this is where you're going.

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There's a reason why no one at the top on the right is calling out the radical left today like they were two days ago. That's not coincidence.

They didn't suddenly find discretion and empathy.

I'd start there.

The "global left" is a nebulous boogeyman. What evidence or indication is there that this loon was a disciple of the "global left?"

What hard-core lefty writes "If you can read this you are gay" on a bullet?

What we do have is pictures of this clown wearing a Nick Fuentes Pepe the Frog costume and a Trump costume, and bullets that all referenced Nick Fuentes alt-right Groyper memes.

Maybe that means nothing but at this point circumstantial evidence ain't pointing towards this guy being a radlib.

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Oh yes it definitely is. What hard core righty says I don't like Charlie Kirk because he says hurtful things? Or hey fascist catch? Yeah totally a right winger. How damn stupid this all is.

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Nick Fuentes is who says that.

Go read about how much Nick Fuentes and his million followers hate Charlie Kirk.

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I think we call agree that Nick Fuentes is a fringe, at best, character. Now, regarding the last 10-15 years… yea, I'm not doing that exercise; however, I have very little doubt that you and I would have different results.

so, in my previous post, results meant exactly as I said. The left ideological killings have been getting good results. Well, I say that, but Trump is still here…

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Cv will eventually realize he can't win this argument as the most current political violence has been perpetrated by folks with an extreme left wing agenda. The quicker folks like him and to some respect me acknowledge that, the easier it is to address all the other whataboutism occurrences of violence.

But, when it boomerangs around, and it will someday, you've got to be willing to do the same thing.

Only then will the political and media landscape change for the better.

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What are you talking about exactly?

For the three-year period 2022-2024 in the US, nearly all extremist murders were white nationalist or alt-right.

If you're talking about a relative increase in non-lethal, alt-left violence, that's a lot harder to quantify than fatal political violence, but the absolute rates of violence - certainly fatal violence - by alt-left and alt-right groups does not tip towards "most being perpetrated by folks with an extreme left-wing agenda" by any quantification I've seen, from any source.

I think people that make that erroneous assumption are conflating "acts perpetrated against the right" and "acts perpetrated by the left" and leaning into recency bias because of the Trump attempts and now Kirk. They continue repeating erroneous information like the attempts against Trump or the Minnesota lawmakers were perpetrated by the left, which is demonstrably false, and leaving out the large proportion of bad actors for whom there is no discernible, coherent political ideology motivating them.

Y'all feel free to share any data to the contrary.

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If you can't acknowledge the extremism problem on your own side, you'll do nothing to make it better. It has nothing to do with data. Until you start with this, you're never going to change the opinion.

It's my opinion that those on the lefter side of the Democratic Party are a lot quicker to label large swaths of the population they don't agree with a broad brush of all kinds of evil labels. That has an impact that trickles down all the way to the rabbit holes that radicalized these shooters. Gotta be willing to clean your own house first.

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Let me say clearly - I acknowledge there is extremism on both sides.

What I have seen no evidence for is that more violent, or a higher quantity of extremist actions - especially fatal - are coming from the left over any reasonable sample size, which is what you seemed to be saying, and what most everyone on this board seems to repeat ad nauseam.

We can acknowledge reality, and base it on facts and data instead of emotion. We have an extremism problem, and that very much includes extremists on both sides, especially white nationalists, that are quantitatively the worst group of offenders on either side by far.

When you say "the lefter side of the Democratic Party" do you mean Democratic party leaders, or rando lefties on Twitter?

How do you contextualize the tone that the President, his family, close advisors, and Party leaders set in this analysis? How do you weigh the importance of the President's words and actions relative to those of tertiary politicians or random people?

You say we're not going to get anywhere until all the extremism gets acknowledged and we stop painting with a broad brush, but that seems like high irony when the loudest voices on this board and on the right nationally, including the President, paint with broad brushes almost all the time in a way for which there is no corollary on the left.

We should both know this - we both get attacked personally and lumped into buckets on here constantly, instead of just debating the points we're making. You've got Bas on here today literally saying "50% of Democrats want to assassinate Trump and Musk," which is preposterous. You've got me getting personally attacked by him for simply pointing out that it doesn't benefit anyone to rush to judgment when the facts of this case are still very much in the discovery phase and there are absolutely alternative explanations for the shooter's motivations that are worth considering.

Can we agree the approach the Utah governor has taken - broadly heartfelt, genuine, and contextualized to illustrate that political violence does not abide by party lines and impacts the world we all live in - is the tone and example that our leaders need to take, and that it is the virtual antithesis of the current President and his family and advisor's recent words about this event?

We need leadership, maturity, kindness, and action at times like this, no? That's what Cox in Utah has done. More of that, please, especially at the national level.

Here's my proposal. Generalizing doesn't solve problems. Just call out specific people and specific actions when we see them. Whoever is misbehaving, call them out and hold them accountable, for their conduct or their bad policy, both in the moment and on election day.

Not directly related to his assassination, but just posting this short clip because it is a good example of Kirk's skill/work…

https://instagr.am/p/DOcWEjCD-Sm

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Civ: he was MAGA

Police: He had anti fascist and trans writing on his rounds

Also Civ: he was a Republican

Kids parents: he became an Antifa supporter

Civ: it's clear he was MAGA

Friend: he became radical the last 2-3 years, was in the DSA.

Civ: yep…he's a republican

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You're aware that Nick Fuentes and other alt-right extremist agitators and folks like Laura Loomer regularly called out Charlie Kirk as being fascist, right? That they viewed him as being too establishment and not right enough?

You're also aware that the slogans on the bullets are anti-trans, anti-gay slogans commonly used by followers of Fuentes?

And finally you're aware that Nick Fuentes himself came out yesterday denouncing and disavowing violence by his followers?

Fox News likely didn't mention any of this yesterday I bet but the biggest clue that this kid may not have been the rad-lib lefty convert you're making him out to be is the crickets from all the leaders and advisors that were so irresponsibly calling for civil war and crying about the radical left for a day and a half.

Think maybe that's a sign they think the call may have come from inside the building?

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One of the bullets read "Hey fascist, catch". I guess msnbc must've left that one off. He was a leftist and I can't believe you're arguing otherwise but I shouldn't be surprised.

I guess the governor and his family are all lying.

"At a press conference announcing Robinson's arrest Friday, Utah Gov. Spencer Cox said a family member told investigators, "Robinson had become more political in recent years," and expressed dislike for Kirk, who Robinson said was "full of hate" and "spreading hate."
Investigators are still looking through evidence and trying to determine a motive in the slaying.
Along with a bolt-action rifle that was abandoned in a wooded area, investigators also recovered ammunition that bore various markings, according to authorities.
Engraving on one bullet casing in the rifle read, "Hey fascist! Catch!" according to Cox.
Other casings bore references to memes from online chat rooms, including "notices, bulges, OwO, what's this?" and "If you read this, you are gay LMAO." One was etched with lyrics from an Italian antifascism song from World War II
When asked about the motive of the gunman, Cox suggested the "Hey fascist" marking clearly showed the gunman's intent: "I think that speaks for itself," he said."

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Yep, go read about Fuentes' Groyper culture. Nearly a million of his followers get to listen to Fuentes regularly accuse Kirk of being a fascist.

And then listen to Fuentes disavow violence by his followers yesterday. That community thinks Robinson was quite possibly one of them.

All these slogans fit more neatly within that group than any other. Again, anti-gay, anti-trans, anti-fascism is exactly what they're about.

Most shooters like this profile as young, white, disaffected, and without any coherent ideology.

But if you're taking bets, doesn't it seem somewhat more likely that a kid that grew up ensconced in right-wing culture and wore Trump Halloween costumes and loved guns and was raised in a very conservative church in a very conservative state went a few clicks further right, and found Fuentes, than he suddenly went twenty clicks left and suddenly fell into rad-lib extremism (which is also far less often violent)?

I mean anything is possible but which seems more probable?

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Lmfao holy hell. I'm gonna do the board a favor and stop responding to **** like this.

As gulf mentioned, one of the bullets read bella ciao bella which is a song the global left has rallied around including antifa. I seriously can't believe this is where you're going.

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There's a reason why no one at the top on the right is calling out the radical left today like they were two days ago. That's not coincidence.

They didn't suddenly find discretion and empathy.

I'd start there.

The "global left" is a nebulous boogeyman. What evidence or indication is there that this loon was a disciple of the "global left?"

What hard-core lefty writes "If you can read this you are gay" on a bullet?

What we do have is pictures of this clown wearing a Nick Fuentes Pepe the Frog costume and a Trump costume, and bullets that all referenced Nick Fuentes alt-right Groyper memes.

Maybe that means nothing but at this point circumstantial evidence ain't pointing towards this guy being a radlib.

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Oh yes it definitely is. What hard core righty says I don't like Charlie Kirk because he says hurtful things? Or hey fascist catch? Yeah totally a right winger. How damn stupid this all is.

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Nick Fuentes is who says that.

Go read about how much Nick Fuentes and his million followers hate Charlie Kirk.

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I think we call agree that Nick Fuentes is a fringe, at best, character. Now, regarding the last 10-15 years… yea, I'm not doing that exercise; however, I have very little doubt that you and I would have different results.

so, in my previous post, results meant exactly as I said. The left ideological killings have been getting good results. Well, I say that, but Trump is still here…

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Cv will eventually realize he can't win this argument as the most current political violence has been perpetrated by folks with an extreme left wing agenda. The quicker folks like him and to some respect me acknowledge that, the easier it is to address all the other whataboutism occurrences of violence.

But, when it boomerangs around, and it will someday, you've got to be willing to do the same thing.

Only then will the political and media landscape change for the better.

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What are you talking about exactly?

For the three-year period 2022-2024 in the US, nearly all extremist murders were white nationalist or alt-right.

If you're talking about a relative increase in non-lethal, alt-left violence, that's a lot harder to quantify than fatal political violence, but the absolute rates of violence - certainly fatal violence - by alt-left and alt-right groups does not tip towards "most being perpetrated by folks with an extreme left-wing agenda" by any quantification I've seen, from any source.

I think people that make that erroneous assumption are conflating "acts perpetrated against the right" and "acts perpetrated by the left" and leaning into recency bias because of the Trump attempts and now Kirk. They continue repeating erroneous information like the attempts against Trump or the Minnesota lawmakers were perpetrated by the left, which is demonstrably false, and leaving out the large proportion of bad actors for whom there is no discernible, coherent political ideology motivating them.

Y'all feel free to share any data to the contrary.

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If you can't acknowledge the extremism problem on your own side, you'll do nothing to make it better. It has nothing to do with data. Until you start with this, you're never going to change the opinion.

It's my opinion that those on the lefter side of the Democratic Party are a lot quicker to label large swaths of the population they don't agree with a broad brush of all kinds of evil labels. That has an impact that trickles down all the way to the rabbit holes that radicalized these shooters. Gotta be willing to clean your own house first.

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Let me say clearly - I acknowledge there is extremism on both sides.

What I have seen no evidence for is that more violent, or a higher quantity of extremist actions - especially fatal - are coming from the left over any reasonable sample size, which is what you seemed to be saying, and what most everyone on this board seems to repeat ad nauseam.

We can acknowledge reality, and base it on facts and data instead of emotion. We have an extremism problem, and that very much includes extremists on both sides, especially white nationalists, that are quantitatively the worst group of offenders on either side by far.

When you say "the lefter side of the Democratic Party" do you mean Democratic party leaders, or rando lefties on Twitter?

How do you contextualize the tone that the President, his family, close advisors, and Party leaders set in this analysis? How do you weigh the importance of the President's words and actions relative to those of tertiary politicians or random people?

You say we're not going to get anywhere until all the extremism gets acknowledged and we stop painting with a broad brush, but that seems like high irony when the loudest voices on this board and on the right nationally, including the President, paint with broad brushes almost all the time in a way for which there is no corollary on the left.

We should both know this - we both get attacked personally and lumped into buckets on here constantly, instead of just debating the points we're making. You've got Bas on here today literally saying "50% of Democrats want to assassinate Trump and Musk," which is preposterous. You've got me getting personally attacked by him for simply pointing out that it doesn't benefit anyone to rush to judgment when the facts of this case are still very much in the discovery phase and there are absolutely alternative explanations for the shooter's motivations that are worth considering.

Can we agree the approach the Utah governor has taken - broadly heartfelt, genuine, and contextualized to illustrate that political violence does not abide by party lines and impacts the world we all live in - is the tone and example that our leaders need to take, and that it is the virtual antithesis of the current President and his family and advisor's recent words about this event?

We need leadership, maturity, kindness, and action at times like this, no? That's what Cox in Utah has done. More of that, please, especially at the national level.

Here's my proposal. Generalizing doesn't solve problems. Just call out specific people and specific actions when we see them. Whoever is misbehaving, call them out and hold them accountable, for their conduct or their bad policy, both in the moment and on election day.

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Civ, would you vote for Cox if he ran for President?

Team Or Lone Gunman In Charlie Kirk Murder - Encrypted Messages Say Yes.

https://georgewebb.substack.com/p/team-or-lone-gunman-in-charlie-kirk

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Civ: he was MAGA

Police: He had anti fascist and trans writing on his rounds

Also Civ: he was a Republican

Kids parents: he became an Antifa supporter

Civ: it's clear he was MAGA

Friend: he became radical the last 2-3 years, was in the DSA.

Civ: yep…he's a republican

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You're aware that Nick Fuentes and other alt-right extremist agitators and folks like Laura Loomer regularly called out Charlie Kirk as being fascist, right? That they viewed him as being too establishment and not right enough?

You're also aware that the slogans on the bullets are anti-trans, anti-gay slogans commonly used by followers of Fuentes?

And finally you're aware that Nick Fuentes himself came out yesterday denouncing and disavowing violence by his followers?

Fox News likely didn't mention any of this yesterday I bet but the biggest clue that this kid may not have been the rad-lib lefty convert you're making him out to be is the crickets from all the leaders and advisors that were so irresponsibly calling for civil war and crying about the radical left for a day and a half.

Think maybe that's a sign they think the call may have come from inside the building?

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One of the bullets read "Hey fascist, catch". I guess msnbc must've left that one off. He was a leftist and I can't believe you're arguing otherwise but I shouldn't be surprised.

I guess the governor and his family are all lying.

"At a press conference announcing Robinson's arrest Friday, Utah Gov. Spencer Cox said a family member told investigators, "Robinson had become more political in recent years," and expressed dislike for Kirk, who Robinson said was "full of hate" and "spreading hate."
Investigators are still looking through evidence and trying to determine a motive in the slaying.
Along with a bolt-action rifle that was abandoned in a wooded area, investigators also recovered ammunition that bore various markings, according to authorities.
Engraving on one bullet casing in the rifle read, "Hey fascist! Catch!" according to Cox.
Other casings bore references to memes from online chat rooms, including "notices, bulges, OwO, what's this?" and "If you read this, you are gay LMAO." One was etched with lyrics from an Italian antifascism song from World War II
When asked about the motive of the gunman, Cox suggested the "Hey fascist" marking clearly showed the gunman's intent: "I think that speaks for itself," he said."

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Yep, go read about Fuentes' Groyper culture. Nearly a million of his followers get to listen to Fuentes regularly accuse Kirk of being a fascist.

And then listen to Fuentes disavow violence by his followers yesterday. That community thinks Robinson was quite possibly one of them.

All these slogans fit more neatly within that group than any other. Again, anti-gay, anti-trans, anti-fascism is exactly what they're about.

Most shooters like this profile as young, white, disaffected, and without any coherent ideology.

But if you're taking bets, doesn't it seem somewhat more likely that a kid that grew up ensconced in right-wing culture and wore Trump Halloween costumes and loved guns and was raised in a very conservative church in a very conservative state went a few clicks further right, and found Fuentes, than he suddenly went twenty clicks left and suddenly fell into rad-lib extremism (which is also far less often violent)?

I mean anything is possible but which seems more probable?

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Lmfao holy hell. I'm gonna do the board a favor and stop responding to **** like this.

As gulf mentioned, one of the bullets read bella ciao bella which is a song the global left has rallied around including antifa. I seriously can't believe this is where you're going.

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There's a reason why no one at the top on the right is calling out the radical left today like they were two days ago. That's not coincidence.

They didn't suddenly find discretion and empathy.

I'd start there.

The "global left" is a nebulous boogeyman. What evidence or indication is there that this loon was a disciple of the "global left?"

What hard-core lefty writes "If you can read this you are gay" on a bullet?

What we do have is pictures of this clown wearing a Nick Fuentes Pepe the Frog costume and a Trump costume, and bullets that all referenced Nick Fuentes alt-right Groyper memes.

Maybe that means nothing but at this point circumstantial evidence ain't pointing towards this guy being a radlib.

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Oh yes it definitely is. What hard core righty says I don't like Charlie Kirk because he says hurtful things? Or hey fascist catch? Yeah totally a right winger. How damn stupid this all is.

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Nick Fuentes is who says that.

Go read about how much Nick Fuentes and his million followers hate Charlie Kirk.

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I think we call agree that Nick Fuentes is a fringe, at best, character. Now, regarding the last 10-15 years… yea, I'm not doing that exercise; however, I have very little doubt that you and I would have different results.

so, in my previous post, results meant exactly as I said. The left ideological killings have been getting good results. Well, I say that, but Trump is still here…

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Cv will eventually realize he can't win this argument as the most current political violence has been perpetrated by folks with an extreme left wing agenda. The quicker folks like him and to some respect me acknowledge that, the easier it is to address all the other whataboutism occurrences of violence.

But, when it boomerangs around, and it will someday, you've got to be willing to do the same thing.

Only then will the political and media landscape change for the better.

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What are you talking about exactly?

For the three-year period 2022-2024 in the US, nearly all extremist murders were white nationalist or alt-right.

If you're talking about a relative increase in non-lethal, alt-left violence, that's a lot harder to quantify than fatal political violence, but the absolute rates of violence - certainly fatal violence - by alt-left and alt-right groups does not tip towards "most being perpetrated by folks with an extreme left-wing agenda" by any quantification I've seen, from any source.

I think people that make that erroneous assumption are conflating "acts perpetrated against the right" and "acts perpetrated by the left" and leaning into recency bias because of the Trump attempts and now Kirk. They continue repeating erroneous information like the attempts against Trump or the Minnesota lawmakers were perpetrated by the left, which is demonstrably false, and leaving out the large proportion of bad actors for whom there is no discernible, coherent political ideology motivating them.

Y'all feel free to share any data to the contrary.

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If you can't acknowledge the extremism problem on your own side, you'll do nothing to make it better. It has nothing to do with data. Until you start with this, you're never going to change the opinion.

It's my opinion that those on the lefter side of the Democratic Party are a lot quicker to label large swaths of the population they don't agree with a broad brush of all kinds of evil labels. That has an impact that trickles down all the way to the rabbit holes that radicalized these shooters. Gotta be willing to clean your own house first.

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Let me say clearly - I acknowledge there is extremism on both sides.

What I have seen no evidence for is that more violent, or a higher quantity of extremist actions - especially fatal - are coming from the left over any reasonable sample size, which is what you seemed to be saying, and what most everyone on this board seems to repeat ad nauseam.

We can acknowledge reality, and base it on facts and data instead of emotion. We have an extremism problem, and that very much includes extremists on both sides, especially white nationalists, that are quantitatively the worst group of offenders on either side by far.

When you say "the lefter side of the Democratic Party" do you mean Democratic party leaders, or rando lefties on Twitter?

How do you contextualize the tone that the President, his family, close advisors, and Party leaders set in this analysis? How do you weigh the importance of the President's words and actions relative to those of tertiary politicians or random people?

You say we're not going to get anywhere until all the extremism gets acknowledged and we stop painting with a broad brush, but that seems like high irony when the loudest voices on this board and on the right nationally, including the President, paint with broad brushes almost all the time in a way for which there is no corollary on the left.

We should both know this - we both get attacked personally and lumped into buckets on here constantly, instead of just debating the points we're making. You've got Bas on here today literally saying "50% of Democrats want to assassinate Trump and Musk," which is preposterous. You've got me getting personally attacked by him for simply pointing out that it doesn't benefit anyone to rush to judgment when the facts of this case are still very much in the discovery phase and there are absolutely alternative explanations for the shooter's motivations that are worth considering.

Can we agree the approach the Utah governor has taken - broadly heartfelt, genuine, and contextualized to illustrate that political violence does not abide by party lines and impacts the world we all live in - is the tone and example that our leaders need to take, and that it is the virtual antithesis of the current President and his family and advisor's recent words about this event?

We need leadership, maturity, kindness, and action at times like this, no? That's what Cox in Utah has done. More of that, please, especially at the national level.

Here's my proposal. Generalizing doesn't solve problems. Just call out specific people and specific actions when we see them. Whoever is misbehaving, call them out and hold them accountable, for their conduct or their bad policy, both in the moment and on election day.

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My exact point of you fanning the flames and not being mature and kind. Do what you say needs to be done!!! Again you are not going to come close to winning this one on here no matter what the facts are. Be mature and do not fan the flames.

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Civ: he was MAGA

Police: He had anti fascist and trans writing on his rounds

Also Civ: he was a Republican

Kids parents: he became an Antifa supporter

Civ: it's clear he was MAGA

Friend: he became radical the last 2-3 years, was in the DSA.

Civ: yep…he's a republican

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You're aware that Nick Fuentes and other alt-right extremist agitators and folks like Laura Loomer regularly called out Charlie Kirk as being fascist, right? That they viewed him as being too establishment and not right enough?

You're also aware that the slogans on the bullets are anti-trans, anti-gay slogans commonly used by followers of Fuentes?

And finally you're aware that Nick Fuentes himself came out yesterday denouncing and disavowing violence by his followers?

Fox News likely didn't mention any of this yesterday I bet but the biggest clue that this kid may not have been the rad-lib lefty convert you're making him out to be is the crickets from all the leaders and advisors that were so irresponsibly calling for civil war and crying about the radical left for a day and a half.

Think maybe that's a sign they think the call may have come from inside the building?

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One of the bullets read "Hey fascist, catch". I guess msnbc must've left that one off. He was a leftist and I can't believe you're arguing otherwise but I shouldn't be surprised.

I guess the governor and his family are all lying.

"At a press conference announcing Robinson's arrest Friday, Utah Gov. Spencer Cox said a family member told investigators, "Robinson had become more political in recent years," and expressed dislike for Kirk, who Robinson said was "full of hate" and "spreading hate."
Investigators are still looking through evidence and trying to determine a motive in the slaying.
Along with a bolt-action rifle that was abandoned in a wooded area, investigators also recovered ammunition that bore various markings, according to authorities.
Engraving on one bullet casing in the rifle read, "Hey fascist! Catch!" according to Cox.
Other casings bore references to memes from online chat rooms, including "notices, bulges, OwO, what's this?" and "If you read this, you are gay LMAO." One was etched with lyrics from an Italian antifascism song from World War II
When asked about the motive of the gunman, Cox suggested the "Hey fascist" marking clearly showed the gunman's intent: "I think that speaks for itself," he said."

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Yep, go read about Fuentes' Groyper culture. Nearly a million of his followers get to listen to Fuentes regularly accuse Kirk of being a fascist.

And then listen to Fuentes disavow violence by his followers yesterday. That community thinks Robinson was quite possibly one of them.

All these slogans fit more neatly within that group than any other. Again, anti-gay, anti-trans, anti-fascism is exactly what they're about.

Most shooters like this profile as young, white, disaffected, and without any coherent ideology.

But if you're taking bets, doesn't it seem somewhat more likely that a kid that grew up ensconced in right-wing culture and wore Trump Halloween costumes and loved guns and was raised in a very conservative church in a very conservative state went a few clicks further right, and found Fuentes, than he suddenly went twenty clicks left and suddenly fell into rad-lib extremism (which is also far less often violent)?

I mean anything is possible but which seems more probable?

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Lmfao holy hell. I'm gonna do the board a favor and stop responding to **** like this.

As gulf mentioned, one of the bullets read bella ciao bella which is a song the global left has rallied around including antifa. I seriously can't believe this is where you're going.

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There's a reason why no one at the top on the right is calling out the radical left today like they were two days ago. That's not coincidence.

They didn't suddenly find discretion and empathy.

I'd start there.

The "global left" is a nebulous boogeyman. What evidence or indication is there that this loon was a disciple of the "global left?"

What hard-core lefty writes "If you can read this you are gay" on a bullet?

What we do have is pictures of this clown wearing a Nick Fuentes Pepe the Frog costume and a Trump costume, and bullets that all referenced Nick Fuentes alt-right Groyper memes.

Maybe that means nothing but at this point circumstantial evidence ain't pointing towards this guy being a radlib.

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Oh yes it definitely is. What hard core righty says I don't like Charlie Kirk because he says hurtful things? Or hey fascist catch? Yeah totally a right winger. How damn stupid this all is.

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Nick Fuentes is who says that.

Go read about how much Nick Fuentes and his million followers hate Charlie Kirk.

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I think we call agree that Nick Fuentes is a fringe, at best, character. Now, regarding the last 10-15 years… yea, I'm not doing that exercise; however, I have very little doubt that you and I would have different results.

so, in my previous post, results meant exactly as I said. The left ideological killings have been getting good results. Well, I say that, but Trump is still here…

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Cv will eventually realize he can't win this argument as the most current political violence has been perpetrated by folks with an extreme left wing agenda. The quicker folks like him and to some respect me acknowledge that, the easier it is to address all the other whataboutism occurrences of violence.

But, when it boomerangs around, and it will someday, you've got to be willing to do the same thing.

Only then will the political and media landscape change for the better.

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What are you talking about exactly?

For the three-year period 2022-2024 in the US, nearly all extremist murders were white nationalist or alt-right.

If you're talking about a relative increase in non-lethal, alt-left violence, that's a lot harder to quantify than fatal political violence, but the absolute rates of violence - certainly fatal violence - by alt-left and alt-right groups does not tip towards "most being perpetrated by folks with an extreme left-wing agenda" by any quantification I've seen, from any source.

I think people that make that erroneous assumption are conflating "acts perpetrated against the right" and "acts perpetrated by the left" and leaning into recency bias because of the Trump attempts and now Kirk. They continue repeating erroneous information like the attempts against Trump or the Minnesota lawmakers were perpetrated by the left, which is demonstrably false, and leaving out the large proportion of bad actors for whom there is no discernible, coherent political ideology motivating them.

Y'all feel free to share any data to the contrary.

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If you can't acknowledge the extremism problem on your own side, you'll do nothing to make it better. It has nothing to do with data. Until you start with this, you're never going to change the opinion.

It's my opinion that those on the lefter side of the Democratic Party are a lot quicker to label large swaths of the population they don't agree with a broad brush of all kinds of evil labels. That has an impact that trickles down all the way to the rabbit holes that radicalized these shooters. Gotta be willing to clean your own house first.

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Let me say clearly - I acknowledge there is extremism on both sides.

What I have seen no evidence for is that more violent, or a higher quantity of extremist actions - especially fatal - are coming from the left over any reasonable sample size, which is what you seemed to be saying, and what most everyone on this board seems to repeat ad nauseam.

We can acknowledge reality, and base it on facts and data instead of emotion. We have an extremism problem, and that very much includes extremists on both sides, especially white nationalists, that are quantitatively the worst group of offenders on either side by far.

When you say "the lefter side of the Democratic Party" do you mean Democratic party leaders, or rando lefties on Twitter?

How do you contextualize the tone that the President, his family, close advisors, and Party leaders set in this analysis? How do you weigh the importance of the President's words and actions relative to those of tertiary politicians or random people?

You say we're not going to get anywhere until all the extremism gets acknowledged and we stop painting with a broad brush, but that seems like high irony when the loudest voices on this board and on the right nationally, including the President, paint with broad brushes almost all the time in a way for which there is no corollary on the left.

We should both know this - we both get attacked personally and lumped into buckets on here constantly, instead of just debating the points we're making. You've got Bas on here today literally saying "50% of Democrats want to assassinate Trump and Musk," which is preposterous. You've got me getting personally attacked by him for simply pointing out that it doesn't benefit anyone to rush to judgment when the facts of this case are still very much in the discovery phase and there are absolutely alternative explanations for the shooter's motivations that are worth considering.

Can we agree the approach the Utah governor has taken - broadly heartfelt, genuine, and contextualized to illustrate that political violence does not abide by party lines and impacts the world we all live in - is the tone and example that our leaders need to take, and that it is the virtual antithesis of the current President and his family and advisor's recent words about this event?

We need leadership, maturity, kindness, and action at times like this, no? That's what Cox in Utah has done. More of that, please, especially at the national level.

Here's my proposal. Generalizing doesn't solve problems. Just call out specific people and specific actions when we see them. Whoever is misbehaving, call them out and hold them accountable, for their conduct or their bad policy, both in the moment and on election day.

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My exact point of you fanning the flames and not being mature and kind. Do what you say needs to be done!!! Again you are not going to come close to winning this one on here no matter what the facts are. Be mature and do not fan the flames.

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What does this even mean man?

Sounds an awful lot like "no matter what the facts are, just be mature and leave us alone so we can bash you and 50% of the county in peace!"

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Civ: he was MAGA

Police: He had anti fascist and trans writing on his rounds

Also Civ: he was a Republican

Kids parents: he became an Antifa supporter

Civ: it's clear he was MAGA

Friend: he became radical the last 2-3 years, was in the DSA.

Civ: yep…he's a republican

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You're aware that Nick Fuentes and other alt-right extremist agitators and folks like Laura Loomer regularly called out Charlie Kirk as being fascist, right? That they viewed him as being too establishment and not right enough?

You're also aware that the slogans on the bullets are anti-trans, anti-gay slogans commonly used by followers of Fuentes?

And finally you're aware that Nick Fuentes himself came out yesterday denouncing and disavowing violence by his followers?

Fox News likely didn't mention any of this yesterday I bet but the biggest clue that this kid may not have been the rad-lib lefty convert you're making him out to be is the crickets from all the leaders and advisors that were so irresponsibly calling for civil war and crying about the radical left for a day and a half.

Think maybe that's a sign they think the call may have come from inside the building?

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One of the bullets read "Hey fascist, catch". I guess msnbc must've left that one off. He was a leftist and I can't believe you're arguing otherwise but I shouldn't be surprised.

I guess the governor and his family are all lying.

"At a press conference announcing Robinson's arrest Friday, Utah Gov. Spencer Cox said a family member told investigators, "Robinson had become more political in recent years," and expressed dislike for Kirk, who Robinson said was "full of hate" and "spreading hate."
Investigators are still looking through evidence and trying to determine a motive in the slaying.
Along with a bolt-action rifle that was abandoned in a wooded area, investigators also recovered ammunition that bore various markings, according to authorities.
Engraving on one bullet casing in the rifle read, "Hey fascist! Catch!" according to Cox.
Other casings bore references to memes from online chat rooms, including "notices, bulges, OwO, what's this?" and "If you read this, you are gay LMAO." One was etched with lyrics from an Italian antifascism song from World War II
When asked about the motive of the gunman, Cox suggested the "Hey fascist" marking clearly showed the gunman's intent: "I think that speaks for itself," he said."

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Yep, go read about Fuentes' Groyper culture. Nearly a million of his followers get to listen to Fuentes regularly accuse Kirk of being a fascist.

And then listen to Fuentes disavow violence by his followers yesterday. That community thinks Robinson was quite possibly one of them.

All these slogans fit more neatly within that group than any other. Again, anti-gay, anti-trans, anti-fascism is exactly what they're about.

Most shooters like this profile as young, white, disaffected, and without any coherent ideology.

But if you're taking bets, doesn't it seem somewhat more likely that a kid that grew up ensconced in right-wing culture and wore Trump Halloween costumes and loved guns and was raised in a very conservative church in a very conservative state went a few clicks further right, and found Fuentes, than he suddenly went twenty clicks left and suddenly fell into rad-lib extremism (which is also far less often violent)?

I mean anything is possible but which seems more probable?

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Lmfao holy hell. I'm gonna do the board a favor and stop responding to **** like this.

As gulf mentioned, one of the bullets read bella ciao bella which is a song the global left has rallied around including antifa. I seriously can't believe this is where you're going.

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There's a reason why no one at the top on the right is calling out the radical left today like they were two days ago. That's not coincidence.

They didn't suddenly find discretion and empathy.

I'd start there.

The "global left" is a nebulous boogeyman. What evidence or indication is there that this loon was a disciple of the "global left?"

What hard-core lefty writes "If you can read this you are gay" on a bullet?

What we do have is pictures of this clown wearing a Nick Fuentes Pepe the Frog costume and a Trump costume, and bullets that all referenced Nick Fuentes alt-right Groyper memes.

Maybe that means nothing but at this point circumstantial evidence ain't pointing towards this guy being a radlib.

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Oh yes it definitely is. What hard core righty says I don't like Charlie Kirk because he says hurtful things? Or hey fascist catch? Yeah totally a right winger. How damn stupid this all is.

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Nick Fuentes is who says that.

Go read about how much Nick Fuentes and his million followers hate Charlie Kirk.

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I think we call agree that Nick Fuentes is a fringe, at best, character. Now, regarding the last 10-15 years… yea, I'm not doing that exercise; however, I have very little doubt that you and I would have different results.

so, in my previous post, results meant exactly as I said. The left ideological killings have been getting good results. Well, I say that, but Trump is still here…

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Cv will eventually realize he can't win this argument as the most current political violence has been perpetrated by folks with an extreme left wing agenda. The quicker folks like him and to some respect me acknowledge that, the easier it is to address all the other whataboutism occurrences of violence.

But, when it boomerangs around, and it will someday, you've got to be willing to do the same thing.

Only then will the political and media landscape change for the better.

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What are you talking about exactly?

For the three-year period 2022-2024 in the US, nearly all extremist murders were white nationalist or alt-right.

If you're talking about a relative increase in non-lethal, alt-left violence, that's a lot harder to quantify than fatal political violence, but the absolute rates of violence - certainly fatal violence - by alt-left and alt-right groups does not tip towards "most being perpetrated by folks with an extreme left-wing agenda" by any quantification I've seen, from any source.

I think people that make that erroneous assumption are conflating "acts perpetrated against the right" and "acts perpetrated by the left" and leaning into recency bias because of the Trump attempts and now Kirk. They continue repeating erroneous information like the attempts against Trump or the Minnesota lawmakers were perpetrated by the left, which is demonstrably false, and leaving out the large proportion of bad actors for whom there is no discernible, coherent political ideology motivating them.

Y'all feel free to share any data to the contrary.

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If you can't acknowledge the extremism problem on your own side, you'll do nothing to make it better. It has nothing to do with data. Until you start with this, you're never going to change the opinion.

It's my opinion that those on the lefter side of the Democratic Party are a lot quicker to label large swaths of the population they don't agree with a broad brush of all kinds of evil labels. That has an impact that trickles down all the way to the rabbit holes that radicalized these shooters. Gotta be willing to clean your own house first.

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Let me say clearly - I acknowledge there is extremism on both sides.

What I have seen no evidence for is that more violent, or a higher quantity of extremist actions - especially fatal - are coming from the left over any reasonable sample size, which is what you seemed to be saying, and what most everyone on this board seems to repeat ad nauseam.

We can acknowledge reality, and base it on facts and data instead of emotion. We have an extremism problem, and that very much includes extremists on both sides, especially white nationalists, that are quantitatively the worst group of offenders on either side by far.

When you say "the lefter side of the Democratic Party" do you mean Democratic party leaders, or rando lefties on Twitter?

How do you contextualize the tone that the President, his family, close advisors, and Party leaders set in this analysis? How do you weigh the importance of the President's words and actions relative to those of tertiary politicians or random people?

You say we're not going to get anywhere until all the extremism gets acknowledged and we stop painting with a broad brush, but that seems like high irony when the loudest voices on this board and on the right nationally, including the President, paint with broad brushes almost all the time in a way for which there is no corollary on the left.

We should both know this - we both get attacked personally and lumped into buckets on here constantly, instead of just debating the points we're making. You've got Bas on here today literally saying "50% of Democrats want to assassinate Trump and Musk," which is preposterous. You've got me getting personally attacked by him for simply pointing out that it doesn't benefit anyone to rush to judgment when the facts of this case are still very much in the discovery phase and there are absolutely alternative explanations for the shooter's motivations that are worth considering.

Can we agree the approach the Utah governor has taken - broadly heartfelt, genuine, and contextualized to illustrate that political violence does not abide by party lines and impacts the world we all live in - is the tone and example that our leaders need to take, and that it is the virtual antithesis of the current President and his family and advisor's recent words about this event?

We need leadership, maturity, kindness, and action at times like this, no? That's what Cox in Utah has done. More of that, please, especially at the national level.

Here's my proposal. Generalizing doesn't solve problems. Just call out specific people and specific actions when we see them. Whoever is misbehaving, call them out and hold them accountable, for their conduct or their bad policy, both in the moment and on election day.

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Civ, would you vote for Cox if he ran for President?

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Obviously can't answer that without seeing who he's running against.

In looking at his platform, he seems to have reasonable, moderate and sensible positions on childcare, housing, business development, healthcare including mental healthcare, vaccines, suicide prevention, domestic violence prevention, and other policies.

But I am 100% certain our country would be better off having him and a Democrat who talks and acts just like him as the two candidates because then either way we would have a president that leads by example and with significant humanity.

I'm going to leave y'all with the following passage from his platform because I think these are incredible words for these times, both on this board and in real life.

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Respect and Dignity

All too often, people tear each other down rather than build up their communities, focus on personal agendas instead of finding solutions, and divide instead of unify.

Gov. Cox believes there is a better way to govern. Instead of treating politics as a blood sport, he looks for opportunities to listen, to learn from one another and to build coalitions that improve people's lives.

As 2023-2024 chairman of the National Governors Association, his solution-based approach is at the center of his chairman's initiative, "Disagree Better: Healthy Conflict for Better Policy.

This initiative focuses on re-learning the art of persuasion, attacking ideas instead of people, and keeping the focus on improving lives. He also modeled this behavior throughout his 2020 campaign for governor, where he recorded an ad with his Democratic opponent, visited all 248 cities and towns in Utah and participated in dozens of hands-on service projects.

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The shooter texting the trans kid to go get the gun on the woods suggest to me that he was trying to frame them. Groyper kills the "fascist" trans kid is the patsy.

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So the shooter's boyfriend/male is transitioning to female.

Shooter is gay and from a religious Conservative family.

See where this is going lefties…. ??

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SGT Reports podcast interview of retired former DIA special operations officer, Jeffrey Prather, to discuss whether the assassin was a lone gunman or a patsy and part of a nation-state operation. Compelling discussion where Prather reveals that the Butler assassin shot from a tree stand.

Prather discusses advance recon, the firearm, the shooter's jump from the roof, encrypted accounts, the markings on the ammo, etc. Prather discusses the public nature of the shot and the precision shot and angel through the neck. Prather discusses the men alongside Kirk's tent giving hand signs.
Prather also discusses the private jet that went 'dark' leaving out of a nearby airport.
Prather discusses "fighting your fight" versus "fighting their fight".
Prather also discusses the September 09 release (1 day prior) of a book entitled "The Shooting of Charlie Kirk" by Anastasiia J Casey. The Amazon release is well documented.

FAKED TRAGEDY, LONE GUNMAN OR PATSY? -- Jeffrey Prather

This was a well orchestrated hit. No way this guy pulled this off alone.

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Lmdao yeah I'm sure that's what it is.

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BREAKING: A co-worker of Tyler Robinson said it was well known Robinson was “not fond of Trump or Charlie” in the workplace, per CNN.

— Leading Report (@LeadingReport) September 13, 2025

On who could really be behind this….

https://instagr.am/p/DOj0HvUDV-j

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This was a well orchestrated hit. No way this guy pulled this off alone.

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You know, that may end up being the case. If you follow Were's post, you will see that he is posting a lot of stuff related to your thinking. Just be careful, you might be called a conspiracy nutjob!!

For me, I hope the Feds do more investigative work into the funding sources for groups like Antifa, and other radicals. Could there be a link? Who knows?

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I shared something the guys won't see on FoxNews or CNN. You may have Were Derangement Syndrome.

Back in 2016-17 most thought it was simply politics.....try typical rhetoric,,,, after 8 years, you are still feeling the same way?

🚨 BREAKING: South Koreans have taken to the streets en masse and are chanting “we are Charlie Kirk!” in yet another instance of Charlie’s reach being a worldwide movement. A sleeping giant has been awakened. 🇺🇸 🇰🇷

pic.twitter.com/1vk5OmULKA

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) September 13, 2025

I will go ahead and put this up even though it could be AI faked - i will assume and it's also graphic and you can decide. I've seen a similar evaluation of similar video from the same angle. The lady next to the guy seems to know what's coming. A podcaster has some similar video... FWIW

I guess this video is more suspicious,the guy close to the lady pulled the trigger pic.twitter.com/0MTuG9Sq9G

— Extraterrestrial (@MacjessyO21109) September 14, 2025

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The Commie Lamestream media says that anyone to the right of Lenin is a "racist bigot fascist Nazi Hitler" yada yada yada.

And gullible Libtards actually believe this crap. A majority of Democrats probably have an IQ of less than 80, so this propaganda works on a huge segment of the population.

And then we have Leftist celebrities and pundits and even DemonRat politicians publicly calling for the assassination of Trump and using violence against his supporters for the past 8-9 years.

This is what has led to probably 70-80% of Leftists to now support and cheerlead the murder of conservatives.

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Long gone is the old school democrats. More and more pass away each year. They are replaced by far left radicals and it's only going to get worse. There will come a day when Smapty seems like a reasonable democrat because the majority will be far left of him….let that sink in.

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If we keep this up you guys will be forced to storm the Capitol on national TV and chase the Vice President around trying to hang him in order to steal an election, and then of course blame it on the Left while also pardoning everyone, and then pretend it was all just a walk in the park and laugh and laugh.

You guys are so peaceful... for years now you just wanted to be left alone to start your civil war in peace.

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How many shots were fired at the Capital that day? Oh right, one, by a Liberal to kill a Republican. You might want to pick another example tbh.

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The shot was fired by secret service, because they were behind a final barricade and a bunch of congressmen were huddled inside on the floor fearing for their lives. And a couple other Capitol cops did die as a result of that day.

But thanks for proving my point. You guys truly live in an alternate universe. A magical world where you're totally the good guys, every bad guy has to be a librul, and absolutely nothing you say or do "counts".

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Revisionist history at its best…. Stay off of discord!

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By the way, I'm sure when you watch this all your hypnosis will allow you to see is a cat video, but for the 800th time here's the peaceful stroll in question. Thankfully Trump pardoned all of those poor victims.

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Smapty, you see… for the 800th time, there were people, on January 6th, that were bad players, no doubt. You keep hanging onto this as if you want to one up me or anyone else. We agree!!

Now, Trump pardon plenty of people that shouldn't have been locked up, in the first place. He also pardon people that served more time than they should. He has that right! Yes, I support his actions.

i didn't watch that video; however, the main image ends up being another conservative death. Do you think that death was warranted?

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You know, that may end up being the case. If you follow Were's post, you will see that he is posting a lot of stuff related to your thinking. Just be careful, you might be called a conspiracy nutjob!!

For me, I hope the Feds do more investigative work into the funding sources for groups like Antifa, and other radicals. Could there be a link? Who knows?

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I shared something the guys won't see on FoxNews or CNN. You may have Were Derangement Syndrome.

Back in 2016-17 most thought it was simply politics.....try typical rhetoric,,,, after 8 years, you are still feeling the same way?

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I think you missed my point. I actually read that link you posted. I'm probably the only person that did. I don't have WDS; rather, I have a wait and see attitude. I only hope we do get the full account of all this. We may never know.

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Civ: he was MAGA

Police: He had anti fascist and trans writing on his rounds

Also Civ: he was a Republican

Kids parents: he became an Antifa supporter

Civ: it's clear he was MAGA

Friend: he became radical the last 2-3 years, was in the DSA.

Civ: yep…he's a republican

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You're aware that Nick Fuentes and other alt-right extremist agitators and folks like Laura Loomer regularly called out Charlie Kirk as being fascist, right? That they viewed him as being too establishment and not right enough?

You're also aware that the slogans on the bullets are anti-trans, anti-gay slogans commonly used by followers of Fuentes?

And finally you're aware that Nick Fuentes himself came out yesterday denouncing and disavowing violence by his followers?

Fox News likely didn't mention any of this yesterday I bet but the biggest clue that this kid may not have been the rad-lib lefty convert you're making him out to be is the crickets from all the leaders and advisors that were so irresponsibly calling for civil war and crying about the radical left for a day and a half.

Think maybe that's a sign they think the call may have come from inside the building?

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One of the bullets read "Hey fascist, catch". I guess msnbc must've left that one off. He was a leftist and I can't believe you're arguing otherwise but I shouldn't be surprised.

I guess the governor and his family are all lying.

"At a press conference announcing Robinson's arrest Friday, Utah Gov. Spencer Cox said a family member told investigators, "Robinson had become more political in recent years," and expressed dislike for Kirk, who Robinson said was "full of hate" and "spreading hate."
Investigators are still looking through evidence and trying to determine a motive in the slaying.
Along with a bolt-action rifle that was abandoned in a wooded area, investigators also recovered ammunition that bore various markings, according to authorities.
Engraving on one bullet casing in the rifle read, "Hey fascist! Catch!" according to Cox.
Other casings bore references to memes from online chat rooms, including "notices, bulges, OwO, what's this?" and "If you read this, you are gay LMAO." One was etched with lyrics from an Italian antifascism song from World War II
When asked about the motive of the gunman, Cox suggested the "Hey fascist" marking clearly showed the gunman's intent: "I think that speaks for itself," he said."

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Yep, go read about Fuentes' Groyper culture. Nearly a million of his followers get to listen to Fuentes regularly accuse Kirk of being a fascist.

And then listen to Fuentes disavow violence by his followers yesterday. That community thinks Robinson was quite possibly one of them.

All these slogans fit more neatly within that group than any other. Again, anti-gay, anti-trans, anti-fascism is exactly what they're about.

Most shooters like this profile as young, white, disaffected, and without any coherent ideology.

But if you're taking bets, doesn't it seem somewhat more likely that a kid that grew up ensconced in right-wing culture and wore Trump Halloween costumes and loved guns and was raised in a very conservative church in a very conservative state went a few clicks further right, and found Fuentes, than he suddenly went twenty clicks left and suddenly fell into rad-lib extremism (which is also far less often violent)?

I mean anything is possible but which seems more probable?

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Lmfao holy hell. I'm gonna do the board a favor and stop responding to **** like this.

As gulf mentioned, one of the bullets read bella ciao bella which is a song the global left has rallied around including antifa. I seriously can't believe this is where you're going.

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Yep. He's completely off his rocker...

What's worse is that he actually believes himself.

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It appears as if Civ just enjoys reading his words (post). His writing eloquence is a marvel.

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Denver shooter : Trans
Aberdeen shooter : Trans
Nashville shooter : Trans
Philly shooter : Trans
Colorado Springs shooter : non binary
Iowa shooter : Trans
Minnesota shooter : gender fluid
Utah - Kirk shooter : Trans partner

The trans ideology is demonic and creates deadly radicals . Democrats pump up kids full of a cocktail of drugs and tries to convince youth with undeveloped brains that they are actually the opposite sex from their birth . We have Tim Walz type characters putting Tampons in boys bathrooms to make the mentally ill seem normal .

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Can you now make a list of non-trans, binary, non-gender fluid, or non-trans partner shooters?

🚨 BREAKING: The FBI and state agencies have launched investigations into multiple LEFTIST groups in Utah for possible advanced knowledge of the Charlie Kirk assassination, per Axios

They’re also probing whether or not these groups provided material support after the kiIIing

At… pic.twitter.com/h2NuDydW3U

— Nick Sortor (@nicksortor) September 14, 2025

This "let it play out" and "I respect your opinion but disagree" charade from these folks is hilarious considering they would be looking for scalps if situation was reversed.

......we would still be subjects of the British Crown 8; George Washington had taken that approach on the banks of the Delaware River. Sometimes we just need to shuck corn! I believe we shuck corn (on the "Farm") soon