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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Sorry GP, Charlie didn't believe the jews were at fault for everything.

The following is Charlie Kirk's letter to Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu

Kirk expresses his love for Israel and repeatedly offers pointers for how they can win the information war so they do not lose support

It is not at all what anti-Semites claimed it was

(1/2) pic.twitter.com/xtyBvdH1n0

— Ryan Saavedra (@RealSaavedra) September 29, 2025

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I think we can be weary of Netanyahu and not blame Jews for everything (or atleast a lot). I have been very supportive of Netanyahu for a long time; however, right now, I'm not sure I can see what his goal is.

i get he wants and says he want peace in the Middle East. That said, his actions (Qatar bombing) make me say, what? Now, I'm not in favor of a two state solution. Why? Because the original green line and the subsequent war that changed the lines in 1967, is so vague, that I'm not even sure what's, what…. I guess I need to research more to see what happened and why to establish a real position.

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The bombing of Qatar was the right move because he is solving a problem, much like Iran for the other Arab states. Improving relationships with the Arab States that aren't rogue actors is the key to peace.

A two state solution will never work unless Hamas is destroyed.

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This isn't a criticism of the desire to end Hamas but has any terrorist org ever been defeated militarily?

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Has it ever been tried without some bs peace treaty that gets ignored?

hokiewolf said:

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Civilized said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Sorry GP, Charlie didn't believe the jews were at fault for everything.

The following is Charlie Kirk's letter to Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu

Kirk expresses his love for Israel and repeatedly offers pointers for how they can win the information war so they do not lose support

It is not at all what anti-Semites claimed it was

(1/2) pic.twitter.com/xtyBvdH1n0

— Ryan Saavedra (@RealSaavedra) September 29, 2025

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I think we can be weary of Netanyahu and not blame Jews for everything (or atleast a lot). I have been very supportive of Netanyahu for a long time; however, right now, I'm not sure I can see what his goal is.

i get he wants and says he want peace in the Middle East. That said, his actions (Qatar bombing) make me say, what? Now, I'm not in favor of a two state solution. Why? Because the original green line and the subsequent war that changed the lines in 1967, is so vague, that I'm not even sure what's, what…. I guess I need to research more to see what happened and why to establish a real position.

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The bombing of Qatar was the right move because he is solving a problem, much like Iran for the other Arab states. Improving relationships with the Arab States that aren't rogue actors is the key to peace.

A two state solution will never work unless Hamas is destroyed.

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This isn't a criticism of the desire to end Hamas but has any terrorist org ever been defeated militarily?

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Has it ever been tried without some bs peace treaty that gets ignored?

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Yeah I don't know. I think this is what makes the terrorist nut such a tough one to crack.

That's not my point...

Netanyahu needs the US support to do some of these initiatives. If not, we wouldn't have bombed Iran. He bombed Qatar, without notifying the US and had to apologize for his actions.

Now, I with Civ on this one... I don't believe a terrorist organization will ever completely go away. If that is possibly true, a two-state solution can never be achieved.

So, what is the end game?

Candace with an extremely good point here....

Why is she about the only prominent "friend" of Charlie Kirk that is questioning the "official" story that is so obviously completely bogus?

Why is TPUSA going along with the fraudulent official story? Has his wife Erika questioned the official story?

Candace Owens is questioning why nearly all of Charlie Kirk’s closest friends have stayed silent and refused to challenge the FBI’s official version of events, noting even Turning Point USA has gone quiet.

She says she’s the only one demanding answers, even though everyone can… pic.twitter.com/SfRpNJN3wq

— Shadow of Ezra (@ShadowofEzra) September 30, 2025

Maybe someone else here has already mentioned this here, but I haven't seen it discussed here yet...

Does anyone else find the behavior of Charlie's wife, Erika Kirk, a little "odd" since his death? Within the last week, but especially over the last few days, I'm seeing tons of people talking about this on social media.

She appeared on a TPUSA show a few days ago, and had a huge smile on her face and seemed extremely happy and upbeat during it. Now, I get that it had been about two weeks since his death, and people grieve differently. And some people might just behave that way publicly in order to put on a "strong persona", and primarily show more grief in private. And in the other speeches she gave, such as the one a few days after his death and at the memorial, she just came across to me as a little fake, as if she was acting, and not genuinely upset.

And we don't see her saying anything about the totally bogus official story, that has more holes than Swiss cheese?

And, of course, we have TPUSA and Trump's FBI (who ostensibly should be close to Kirk, a huge Trump ally) going along with the Robinson patsy story, covering all of this up.

This whole thing stinks to high heaven.

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That's not my point...

Netanyahu needs the US support to do some of these initiatives. If not, we wouldn't have bombed Iran. He bombed Qatar, without notifying the US and had to apologize for his actions.

Now, I with Civ on this one... I don't believe a terrorist organization will ever completely go away. If that is possibly true, a two-state solution can never be achieved.

So, what is the end game?

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The US was fully aware what the Israelis were doing.

hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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That's not my point...

Netanyahu needs the US support to do some of these initiatives. If not, we wouldn't have bombed Iran. He bombed Qatar, without notifying the US and had to apologize for his actions.

Now, I with Civ on this one... I don't believe a terrorist organization will ever completely go away. If that is possibly true, a two-state solution can never be achieved.

So, what is the end game?

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The US was fully aware what the Israelis were doing.

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Agreed, I don't buy that we didn't know about it.

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Candace with an extremely good point here....

Why is she about the only prominent "friend" of Charlie Kirk that is questioning the "official" story that is so obviously completely bogus?

Why is TPUSA going along with the fraudulent official story? Has his wife Erika questioned the official story?

Candace Owens is questioning why nearly all of Charlie Kirk’s closest friends have stayed silent and refused to challenge the FBI’s official version of events, noting even Turning Point USA has gone quiet.

She says she’s the only one demanding answers, even though everyone can… pic.twitter.com/SfRpNJN3wq

— Shadow of Ezra (@ShadowofEzra) September 30, 2025

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I don't believe a single word coming out of her mouth and I used to be a fan. She's completely lost it.

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I don't believe a single word coming out of her mouth and I used to be a fan. She's completely lost it.

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Why?

I see it as the compete opposite. Anyone who actually believes the "official" story that Tyler Robinson did this are the ones who are insane. Who actually believes that those alleged texts to his furry boyfriend are real? Who actually believes that a 30-06 hit Kirk's neck, and had no exit wound? Who actually believes that Robinson disassembled, reassembled, then disassembled, and then reassembled the rifle again only to leave it in the woods.

But Candace has "lost it" because she doesn't believe that bogus story?

TPUSA, the FBI, and anyone else going along with this phony official story are the ones who have lost their minds.

hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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That's not my point...

Netanyahu needs the US support to do some of these initiatives. If not, we wouldn't have bombed Iran. He bombed Qatar, without notifying the US and had to apologize for his actions.

Now, I with Civ on this one... I don't believe a terrorist organization will ever completely go away. If that is possibly true, a two-state solution can never be achieved.

So, what is the end game?

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The US was fully aware what the Israelis were doing.

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Possibly; however, he certainly apologized for some reason…

That said, you say that with 100% confidence. Assuming you have a source that you speak with…

Go watch how disingenuous the apology from Netanyahu and the denial of advanced knowledge from Trump and you'll see what I mean.

Civilized said:

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hokiewolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Sorry GP, Charlie didn't believe the jews were at fault for everything.

The following is Charlie Kirk's letter to Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu

Kirk expresses his love for Israel and repeatedly offers pointers for how they can win the information war so they do not lose support

It is not at all what anti-Semites claimed it was

(1/2) pic.twitter.com/xtyBvdH1n0

— Ryan Saavedra (@RealSaavedra) September 29, 2025

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I think we can be weary of Netanyahu and not blame Jews for everything (or atleast a lot). I have been very supportive of Netanyahu for a long time; however, right now, I'm not sure I can see what his goal is.

i get he wants and says he want peace in the Middle East. That said, his actions (Qatar bombing) make me say, what? Now, I'm not in favor of a two state solution. Why? Because the original green line and the subsequent war that changed the lines in 1967, is so vague, that I'm not even sure what's, what…. I guess I need to research more to see what happened and why to establish a real position.

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The bombing of Qatar was the right move because he is solving a problem, much like Iran for the other Arab states. Improving relationships with the Arab States that aren't rogue actors is the key to peace.

A two state solution will never work unless Hamas is destroyed.

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This isn't a criticism of the desire to end Hamas but has any terrorist org ever been defeated militarily?

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Depends on that hazy boundary between terrorist vs. guerrilla insurgency. I'd like a war college grad to weigh in on this one, but the British did execute a successful strategy in a brutal fight against the Malayan communists. The Malayan communist party had both, rural insurgent forces and urban terrorist cells, so it was a bit of a hybrid situation. But the Hamas situation has similarities to the Malayan insurgency of the 1950s.

hokiewolf said:

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Go watch how disingenuous the apology from Netanyahu and the denial of advanced knowledge from Trump and you'll see what I mean.

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I try to take people at the words…. Yes, I could interpret, with my own story; however, for now, he did what he did…

🚨 BREAKING: The ADL has CAVED under pressure from conservatives and @ElonMusk — will REMOVE their “extremism glossary” which labeled Christianity and Turning Point USA as “terrorists/hate groups”

WE ARE WINNING!

Keep pushing! 🔥 pic.twitter.com/XYfEBHRPex

— Nick Sortor (@nicksortor) October 1, 2025

Prominent "influencer" asking what most people should be asking themselves...

Why is TPUSA going along with the bogus FBI "official" story with patsy Robinson?? Why aren't they asking questions about this FBI story and trying to get to the truth about who really killed Charlie??

(video...click on post or open in IG to play)

https://instagr.am/p/DPPhW7BkdQq

On a psychological level, notice how people are now being conditioned to accept this obviously fraudulent official story on Kirk's assassination. It's a combination of appeal to authority, group think, Stockholm Syndrome, etc.

Initially upon seeing the official story emerge, everyone sees that the FBI story is a complete crock of chit -- the obviously fake text messages, the ridiculous claim of disassembling, reassembling, then disassembling and then reassembling the rifle, the claim of a 30-06 round not having an exit wound and Charlie's "neck of steel" stopping the bullet, etc.

But as time goes on, people are psychologically conditioned to just fall back upon "group think", and think to themselves "well, I don't see TPUSA or Erika Kirk or the Trump administration questioning the obviously fake FBI official story with patsy Robinson...and so therefore I'll just let myself believe this obviously bogus story as well."

And next thing you know they are saying that "anyone who questions the obviously bogus official story with patsy Robinson is a kooky conspiracy theorist."

Same thing as with the JFK assassination and that obviously bogus official story. Same thing with one thousand other issues where the "Establishment" story is an obvious fraud.

But I don't think it's going to work. To many people distrust the Establishment now. They have lost too much credibility. And this con game of counting on people to "just trust the authority figures, they couldn't lie to us THIS big" is not going to work.

Human psychology is a very strange thing. People are often illogical, and in many areas of life do not base their viewpoints and beliefs on evidence, logic, and reason.

Very often, they are emotional. And the biggest emotional driver is FEAR. Number one, they fear not "fitting in" with the group...eg, being labeled a "crazy conspiracy theorist" who is the epitome of someone "not fitting in with society". And number two, whether consciously or subconsciously, they fear facing the reality that they live under tyranny and the rule of an elite who have a malevolent agenda for society....because that is too psychologically painful to realize that we live in a world like that. And so they refuse to acknowledge when "authority" figures deceive and defraud them on matters of huge importance.

Many therefore form their beliefs based on "group think" and peer pressure and out of fear of not being viewed as "weird" or "crazy" because they perceive that believing something is "too far outside the mainstream"...or beliefs that are more psychologically "comforting" than facing the harsh reality that the "authority" and Establishment and government are lying to them and defrauding them and have an extreme malevolent agenda.

So, for example, some people might intellectually see that, yes JFK was obviously struck in the head by a shot that came from in front of him (causing his head to clearly move backwards at impact). And they then intellectually know that the official story of the Patsy Oswald is a crock of chit. But then those psychological forces kick in, and they react emotionally and out of fear...and convince themselves to ignore their logic and reason, and just go along with the official story -- out of fear of facing the fact that the "authority" figures are lying to them, and then based on the false perception (brainwashing from the criminal Establishment) that they are a "crazy conspiracy theorist lunatic" if they use their own reasoning and reject the obviously false official story.

Same thing happening in real time right now with the ridiculous story on this Kirk assassination...as happened on thousands of other blatantly fraudulent "offiical" Establishment narratives over the last several decades.

There are still a ton of people digging into the Kirk assassination with in-depth analysis of the evidence, to try to find out what really happened.

Here is Chris Martenson of the "Peak Prosperity" YouTube channel (573k subscribers) with a very deep analysis (uploaded yesterday) of the latest information -- looking at ballistics, video evidence, etc.

The bug-eyed coked up clown who just helped cover up the Jeffrey Epstein case is now saying that those questioning the ridiculous official story with patsy Tyler Robinson are "conspiracy theorists".

He also says here that he wants to work with Democrat Senators to censor social media.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. The Trump administration is a total fraud again. These guys ARE "the Swamp".

FBI Director Kash Patel says social media is out of control and insists the U.S. government must step in to address what he calls “clickbait.”

Patel claims most assassins are radicalized online and says he is working with Congress to confront the problem.

He says he doesn’t… pic.twitter.com/gSF1sn1url

— Shadow of Ezra (@ShadowofEzra) October 3, 2025

I've shared here - a number of times - that Putin is very closely aligned with the Orthodox Church, and has been for many years.

🚨BREAKING: Russian President Putin just praised and honored Charlie Kirk and his family, adding that Kirk was assassinated for defending traditional values.

Rest in peace, Charlie. pic.twitter.com/ZohSiO1VPF

— Carter Hughes (@itscarterhughes) October 3, 2025