Steve Videtich said:
Packchem91 said:
Steve Videtich said:
Packchem91 said:
Steve Videtich said:
Packchem91 said:
Steve Videtich said:
Packchem91 said:
Steve Videtich said:
I literally said there were people there that day with bad intentions! I wasn't referring to fbi or antifa.
Yes, people can get amped up by others talking. But, 99% of those people recognize right from wrong. So, I'll say it again for the peanut gallery in the back. People were there with the wrong intentions in mind. But, not one of them was instructed to be violent.
And this is my concern with populist leaders....they know the dog whistles to get those to reach those people who are over the edge. We can agree to disagree -- I think Trump knew exactly what he was doing. Did he think it was going to go that badly....I doubt that.
So if it wasn't Trump's words....what do you think triggered thousands of people to become criminals and act violently?
I'll take "Stupid People" for $200 Alex!
Even stupid people need someone to lead them...heck, stupid people are particularly suspect to being lead. Politicians been taking advantage of that for centuries...and despite all the efforts to make Trump a "not a politician", one thing he knows is how to take advantage of dumb people.
It's no different than any of the politicians in the video I posted above. The only difference is they literally called for violence. Would you dispute that?
I didn't look at the video….but was one of them the leader of the party / president ?
While all are bad, Surely you agree their is a bigger deal when the POTUS does it?
ETA: I went and looked at the video. So clearly the current POTUS was on there. Some of the comments ion that video crossed the line, no doubt
Some were not even threats. Harris's was actually kinda funny, something I didn't know she had.
Biden's…sounded kinda like teen Hs Boy'ish stuff
Pelosi is a horrible person.
Frankly, other than that last lady, of whom I've never heard, and maybe Pelosi and was that Madonna? , I don't think any of those live up anywhere near a sitting POTUS saying those things to an angry crowd. Context matters.
Context evidently matters only when you completely hate a particular person. Trump didn't call for violence. You're inferring that he did, yet you call out people on here for inferring your thoughts all the time.
Keep reminding us that you voted for a person that you hate, but yet are able to make excuses for others that say worse.
Context only matters when it makes you feel correct. I'm trying to discuss facts. Come back when you can show where Trump called for actual violence.
Well sure if you choose, as you are, to ignore the previous 3 months when the guy created anger across the nation by insisting (as he still does) taht the election was stolen. As he did that very day, multiple times.
I think its common sense, but clearly its not to all, that if you complain about something for months, get many of your loyal followers angered by it (or do you disagree this occurred too??), and then when they all come to DC, tell them things are going to be taken from them if they don't fight. I mean, you can choose to stick your head in the sand and argue the very words don't tell people to go break into the Capitol, Mr Clinton, but any common sense applied to that situation sees that those words can absolutely incite a group to action.
Again, you'd absolutely feel that way if words of "take back the streets" were shouted to an angry crowd an hour before buildings started burning in Ferguson.
You just choose to ignore it here. Absolutely your right, but certainly doesn't make you right.
I'll say again -- two things can be true. The media can inflate and inflame, and the POTUS could too.
Again, you're inferring what I mean. Why do you do that?
Did I say that I blame the people in the video for any of the violence that occurred in any other cities around the country? No I didn't. Who did I blame the violence on Jan 6th? Stupid people. The same people are too blame for all the other examples of violence, stupid people.
And no, I'm not ignoring any build up for the months leading up, no more than anybody ignored the hate the democrats built up the entirety of Trump's presidency. But, the only people to blame for violence are the stupid ones.
You speak of common sense, lol! But your entire argument is based on what you think Trump really meant when he said go to the Capitol and protest peacefully. But, then excuse others that verbally called for violence in the video I posted. Common sense tells me one is not like the other!
Again, show me a video where Trump said to be violent. Please! If you can't, stop arguing what you think he meant but didn't actually say.
LOL, and your entire argument is not focused on the words he used to fight like hell. You focus on the peaceful...we are both using the parts of the speech that are convenient (please don't tell me im inferring --- I'm looking right at your words where you failed to mention the part of his speech that says to fight).
Here's the thing....we can quibble over all those other examples you gave...question for you -- did something violent occur after those words were spoken. Its either Yes, or No. Did someone act on the wrods of Pelosi, Schumer, Biden, Madonna, and the rest of those people and go out and attack something? IF they had of, I do think we'd be having a different argument and those leaders would be held more accountable.
Did they occur after Trump spoke them? This is not debatable. If hundreds of people had not stormed the Capitol after his speech, this would not be a topic today. But....they did. 100% different from every single example you provided
You want to harp on it being stupid people. I can agree with that. Stupid people are in DC every single day. How many times have hundreds of them stormed the capitol?
What was different this day than the other 365 days a year x 200 years?
It wasn't JUST the fact people are stupid. Something triggered them. Somebody triggered them.
ETA: BTW, I'll compromise on one thing --- people of all parties, teams, sides, whatever, should probably look at Jan 6 and learn a lesson to dial back rhetoric. There is no doubt the tone in general has been much more aggressive...on the internet, on talk shows on news networks, and from DC and state capitols. All the others who've used aggressive wording should probably be thankful someone didn't act on their words.