caryking said:

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TheStorm said:

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caryking said:

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Watch, those will be the people that respond the quickest. They know who they are and can't help themselves.

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What have I done wrong now?

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Storm, I wasn't talking about you. Those People know who they are!

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Oldsouljer said:

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caryking said:

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TheStorm said:

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caryking said:

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Watch, those will be the people that respond the quickest. They know who they are and can't help themselves.

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What have I done wrong now?

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Storm, I wasn't talking about you. Those People know who they are!

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Regardless, this Biden administration, version 3 is going off the rails even more rapidly than the previous versions. Can we reform this thread to get back to the immediate topic of this thread's title?

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Packchem91 said:

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BBW12OG said:

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Implying Cary and are are racist is low even for you.

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I'm not implying a thing. I' saying what you, me, Cary, and everyone who reads your comments knows to be true.
If the use case I typed up happened, you'd not be giving people passes just because the door was open. You wouldn't be blaming CNN/Fox, whatever. You wouldn't be saying the FBI and aryan nation where the ones that caused it.

I mean, seriously, read that -- which is exactly what some of you keep advocating, and then see how stupid it sounds if you apply it to Obama and some of his angry loyal followers.

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caryking said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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caryking said:

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TheStorm said:

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caryking said:

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Watch, those will be the people that respond the quickest. They know who they are and can't help themselves.

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What have I done wrong now?

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Storm, I wasn't talking about you. Those People know who they are!

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Regardless, this Biden administration, version 3 is going off the rails even more rapidly than the previous versions. Can we reform this thread to get back to the immediate topic of this thread's title?

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Fair enough. I will say that BBW and I were, intentionally, trying to get a rise out of some of Those People. DM's are happening between several posters here. We are discussing how we try and get a reasonable conversation with some of Those People.

I don't think anyone, that I talk with, has tried to engage in bad faith (until my admission above); however, it is a belief that Those People don't do the same.

I fully get people can see two different views of the same issue and hope others would appreciate the same. I'm not sure Those People are capable of it. That said… it is what it is…

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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I literally said there were people there that day with bad intentions! I wasn't referring to fbi or antifa.

Yes, people can get amped up by others talking. But, 99% of those people recognize right from wrong. So, I'll say it again for the peanut gallery in the back. People were there with the wrong intentions in mind. But, not one of them was instructed to be violent.

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And this is my concern with populist leaders....they know the dog whistles to get those to reach those people who are over the edge. We can agree to disagree -- I think Trump knew exactly what he was doing. Did he think it was going to go that badly....I doubt that.

So if it wasn't Trump's words....what do you think triggered thousands of people to become criminals and act violently?

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I'll take "Stupid People" for $200 Alex!

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Even stupid people need someone to lead them...heck, stupid people are particularly suspect to being lead. Politicians been taking advantage of that for centuries...and despite all the efforts to make Trump a "not a politician", one thing he knows is how to take advantage of dumb people.

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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I literally said there were people there that day with bad intentions! I wasn't referring to fbi or antifa.

Yes, people can get amped up by others talking. But, 99% of those people recognize right from wrong. So, I'll say it again for the peanut gallery in the back. People were there with the wrong intentions in mind. But, not one of them was instructed to be violent.

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And this is my concern with populist leaders....they know the dog whistles to get those to reach those people who are over the edge. We can agree to disagree -- I think Trump knew exactly what he was doing. Did he think it was going to go that badly....I doubt that.

So if it wasn't Trump's words....what do you think triggered thousands of people to become criminals and act violently?

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I'll take "Stupid People" for $200 Alex!

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Even stupid people need someone to lead them...heck, stupid people are particularly suspect to being lead. Politicians been taking advantage of that for centuries...and despite all the efforts to make Trump a "not a politician", one thing he knows is how to take advantage of dumb people.

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It's no different than any of the politicians in the video I posted above. The only difference is they literally called for violence. Would you dispute that?

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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I literally said there were people there that day with bad intentions! I wasn't referring to fbi or antifa.

Yes, people can get amped up by others talking. But, 99% of those people recognize right from wrong. So, I'll say it again for the peanut gallery in the back. People were there with the wrong intentions in mind. But, not one of them was instructed to be violent.

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And this is my concern with populist leaders....they know the dog whistles to get those to reach those people who are over the edge. We can agree to disagree -- I think Trump knew exactly what he was doing. Did he think it was going to go that badly....I doubt that.

So if it wasn't Trump's words....what do you think triggered thousands of people to become criminals and act violently?

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I'll take "Stupid People" for $200 Alex!

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Even stupid people need someone to lead them...heck, stupid people are particularly suspect to being lead. Politicians been taking advantage of that for centuries...and despite all the efforts to make Trump a "not a politician", one thing he knows is how to take advantage of dumb people.

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It's no different than any of the politicians in the video I posted above. The only difference is they literally called for violence. Would you dispute that?

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I didn't look at the video….but was one of them the leader of the party / president ?
While all are bad, Surely you agree their is a bigger deal when the POTUS does it?

ETA: I went and looked at the video. So clearly the current POTUS was on there. Some of the comments ion that video crossed the line, no doubt
Some were not even threats. Harris's was actually kinda funny, something I didn't know she had.
Biden's…sounded kinda like teen Hs Boy'ish stuff
Pelosi is a horrible person.
Frankly, other than that last lady, of whom I've never heard, and maybe Pelosi and was that Madonna? , I don't think any of those live up anywhere near a sitting POTUS saying those things to an angry crowd. Context matters.

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Context evidently matters only when you completely hate a particular person. Trump didn't call for violence. You're inferring that he did, yet you call out people on here for inferring your thoughts all the time.

Keep reminding us that you voted for a person that you hate, but yet are able to make excuses for others that say worse.

Context only matters when it makes you feel correct. I'm trying to discuss facts. Come back when you can show where Trump called for actual violence.

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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I literally said there were people there that day with bad intentions! I wasn't referring to fbi or antifa.

Yes, people can get amped up by others talking. But, 99% of those people recognize right from wrong. So, I'll say it again for the peanut gallery in the back. People were there with the wrong intentions in mind. But, not one of them was instructed to be violent.

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And this is my concern with populist leaders....they know the dog whistles to get those to reach those people who are over the edge. We can agree to disagree -- I think Trump knew exactly what he was doing. Did he think it was going to go that badly....I doubt that.

So if it wasn't Trump's words....what do you think triggered thousands of people to become criminals and act violently?

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I'll take "Stupid People" for $200 Alex!

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Even stupid people need someone to lead them...heck, stupid people are particularly suspect to being lead. Politicians been taking advantage of that for centuries...and despite all the efforts to make Trump a "not a politician", one thing he knows is how to take advantage of dumb people.

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It's no different than any of the politicians in the video I posted above. The only difference is they literally called for violence. Would you dispute that?

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I didn't look at the video….but was one of them the leader of the party / president ?
While all are bad, Surely you agree their is a bigger deal when the POTUS does it?

ETA: I went and looked at the video. So clearly the current POTUS was on there. Some of the comments ion that video crossed the line, no doubt
Some were not even threats. Harris's was actually kinda funny, something I didn't know she had.
Biden's…sounded kinda like teen Hs Boy'ish stuff
Pelosi is a horrible person.
Frankly, other than that last lady, of whom I've never heard, and maybe Pelosi and was that Madonna? , I don't think any of those live up anywhere near a sitting POTUS saying those things to an angry crowd. Context matters.

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Context evidently matters only when you completely hate a particular person. Trump didn't call for violence. You're inferring that he did, yet you call out people on here for inferring your thoughts all the time.

Keep reminding us that you voted for a person that you hate, but yet are able to make excuses for others that say worse.

Context only matters when it makes you feel correct. I'm trying to discuss facts. Come back when you can show where Trump called for actual violence.

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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I literally said there were people there that day with bad intentions! I wasn't referring to fbi or antifa.

Yes, people can get amped up by others talking. But, 99% of those people recognize right from wrong. So, I'll say it again for the peanut gallery in the back. People were there with the wrong intentions in mind. But, not one of them was instructed to be violent.

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And this is my concern with populist leaders....they know the dog whistles to get those to reach those people who are over the edge. We can agree to disagree -- I think Trump knew exactly what he was doing. Did he think it was going to go that badly....I doubt that.

So if it wasn't Trump's words....what do you think triggered thousands of people to become criminals and act violently?

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I'll take "Stupid People" for $200 Alex!

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Even stupid people need someone to lead them...heck, stupid people are particularly suspect to being lead. Politicians been taking advantage of that for centuries...and despite all the efforts to make Trump a "not a politician", one thing he knows is how to take advantage of dumb people.

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It's no different than any of the politicians in the video I posted above. The only difference is they literally called for violence. Would you dispute that?

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I didn't look at the video….but was one of them the leader of the party / president ?
While all are bad, Surely you agree their is a bigger deal when the POTUS does it?

ETA: I went and looked at the video. So clearly the current POTUS was on there. Some of the comments ion that video crossed the line, no doubt
Some were not even threats. Harris's was actually kinda funny, something I didn't know she had.
Biden's…sounded kinda like teen Hs Boy'ish stuff
Pelosi is a horrible person.
Frankly, other than that last lady, of whom I've never heard, and maybe Pelosi and was that Madonna? , I don't think any of those live up anywhere near a sitting POTUS saying those things to an angry crowd. Context matters.

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Context evidently matters only when you completely hate a particular person. Trump didn't call for violence. You're inferring that he did, yet you call out people on here for inferring your thoughts all the time.

Keep reminding us that you voted for a person that you hate, but yet are able to make excuses for others that say worse.

Context only matters when it makes you feel correct. I'm trying to discuss facts. Come back when you can show where Trump called for actual violence.

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Well sure if you choose, as you are, to ignore the previous 3 months when the guy created anger across the nation by insisting (as he still does) taht the election was stolen. As he did that very day, multiple times.

I think its common sense, but clearly its not to all, that if you complain about something for months, get many of your loyal followers angered by it (or do you disagree this occurred too??), and then when they all come to DC, tell them things are going to be taken from them if they don't fight. I mean, you can choose to stick your head in the sand and argue the very words don't tell people to go break into the Capitol, Mr Clinton, but any common sense applied to that situation sees that those words can absolutely incite a group to action.

Again, you'd absolutely feel that way if words of "take back the streets" were shouted to an angry crowd an hour before buildings started burning in Ferguson.

You just choose to ignore it here. Absolutely your right, but certainly doesn't make you right.

I'll say again -- two things can be true. The media can inflate and inflame, and the POTUS could too.

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Again, you're inferring what I mean. Why do you do that?

Did I say that I blame the people in the video for any of the violence that occurred in any other cities around the country? No I didn't. Who did I blame the violence on Jan 6th? Stupid people. The same people are too blame for all the other examples of violence, stupid people.

And no, I'm not ignoring any build up for the months leading up, no more than anybody ignored the hate the democrats built up the entirety of Trump's presidency. But, the only people to blame for violence are the stupid ones.

You speak of common sense, lol! But your entire argument is based on what you think Trump really meant when he said go to the Capitol and protest peacefully. But, then excuse others that verbally called for violence in the video I posted. Common sense tells me one is not like the other!

Again, show me a video where Trump said to be violent. Please! If you can't, stop arguing what you think he meant but didn't actually say.

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I don't think anyone here has condoned rioting of any sort.

I think Chem and I find it puzzling that you guys do not think that Donald Trump setting up a rally in DC the day the vote was certified after 2 months of rhetoric that the election was stolen, delivers a speech about the election being stolen, and tells his supports and anyone else that was in the crowd to March to the Capitol and let them hear your voice, I do not understand how with things the way they occurred, some of that rhetoric (non violent) didn't push his supporters into a confrontation?

Again I ask, what was the supposed end game of the day with respect to the rally and the speech? If Trump is such a smart tactician, how did he not see this as a possibility that would happen?

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BBW12OG said:

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Look at Hokie dancing as Vid just hit a 60 yard FG as time expired....



Please Hammer don't hurt him........

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Steve Videtich said:

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hokiewolf said:

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I don't think anyone here has condoned rioting of any sort.

I think Chem and I find it puzzling that you guys do not think that Donald Trump setting up a rally in DC the day the vote was certified after 2 months of rhetoric that the election was stolen, delivers a speech about the election being stolen, and tells his supports and anyone else that was in the crowd to March to the Capitol and let them hear your voice, I do not understand how with things the way they occurred, some of that rhetoric (non violent) didn't push his supporters into a confrontation?

Again I ask, what was the supposed end game of the day with respect to the rally and the speech? If Trump is such a smart tactician, how did he not see this as a possibility that would happen?

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It was a protest rally, correct?

Do protest rallies often include a march? Yes
Do they often have somebody stand up and speak to the crowd and rile them up for the cause? Almost always.
How often is the word "fight" used in these rallies? Probably 99% of them.
Do these rallies occasionally get out of control because people get too emotional? Yes

The only difference in Jan 6 was because it included a POTUS. It included a POTUS that was and is very polarizing. If you are on the side of against him, you carry a predisposition that everything the man does is unfathomable, then you're going to say it's his fault. Especially if you carry a hatred to the level that Chem does.

Now, I've been consistent from day one that these threads started 2 years or so ago. I've said Trump is an *******. I wish he'd shut up and just run the country. But, I'll take him 100 times over what we currently are experiencing in this country today. You and Chem have even agreed with that at times.

But, I'm not going to hold him accountable for idiots running around DC doing stupid ****, just like I'm not going to hold any Democrats responsible for anything that went on with rioting across the country, that they actually called for. There's a huge difference, but you guys are blinded by hatred and can't understand that.

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Steve Videtich said:

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BBW12OG said:

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Look at Hokie dancing as Vid just hit a 60 yard FG as time expired....



Please Hammer don't hurt him........

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Lol, I really don't understand this argument other than one side having a pure hatred toward Trump. If he had said, hey everybody, go to the capitol and break through the barricades, tear the place up, rub your **** on the wall, sit in Pelosi's chair... we'd be having a completely different conversation.

But nothing even slightly resembling that was said. Not even close! If you think he did, your either making things up or blinded by complete and utter hatred. Either way, you're still wrong.

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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BBW12OG said:

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Look at Hokie dancing as Vid just hit a 60 yard FG as time expired....



Please Hammer don't hurt him........

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Lol, I really don't understand this argument other than one side having a pure hatred toward Trump. If he had said, hey everybody, go to the capitol and break through the barricades, tear the place up, rub your **** on the wall, sit in Pelosi's chair... we'd be having a completely different conversation.

But nothing even slightly resembling that was said. Not even close! If you think he did, your either making things up or blinded by complete and utter hatred. Either way, you're still wrong.

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First, saying it's only due to hatred for Trump is as dismissive as me saying you are ok with it because you're a Trump sycophant. Reasonable people can have a dislike for someone AND fairly judge them. Heck, we have to do this every day in life

Second, I've said before why I think it's important…if he were to have rode off in sunset, people would move on…but my fear is he's going to try to run again, and blow this

Right now, the GOP could run you and me out there and beat Biden. I believe if Trump comes back, the same advocate groups will make sure to rule up all the anti Trump venom and get a huge turnout to vote against him amd cost the GOP…just like in the GA runoffs

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High Travoltage said:

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"Did any dem leaders call for violence?"

Sees Biden, Pelosi, MSM all do it...

Yeah but....

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BBW12OG said:

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High Travoltage said:

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"Did any dem leaders call for violence?"

Sees Biden, Pelosi, MSM all do it...

Yeah but....

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But yet Chem and Hokie only care when it's the party they voted for but don't support.... they epitomize today's lefty brigade. They call balls and strikes when it helps them feel better about themselves.

Typical of the left and the generation that got participation trophies'!!! And you know both of them have a few of those.....

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BBW12OG said:

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High Travoltage said:

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"Did any dem leaders call for violence?"

Sees Biden, Pelosi, MSM all do it...

Yeah but....

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But yet Chem and Hokie only care when it's the party they voted for but don't support.... they epitomize today's lefty brigade. They call balls and strikes when it helps them feel better about themselves.

Typical of the left and the generation that got participation trophies'!!! And you know both of them have a few of those.....

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hokiewolf said:

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BBW12OG said:

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High Travoltage said:

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"Did any dem leaders call for violence?"

Sees Biden, Pelosi, MSM all do it...

Yeah but....

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But yet Chem and Hokie only care when it's the party they voted for but don't support.... they epitomize today's lefty brigade. They call balls and strikes when it helps them feel better about themselves.

Typical of the left and the generation that got participation trophies'!!! And you know both of them have a few of those.....

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neither of us have done that and you know it. Stop

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caryking said:

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BBW12OG said:

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High Travoltage said:

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"Did any dem leaders call for violence?"

Sees Biden, Pelosi, MSM all do it...

Yeah but....

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But yet Chem and Hokie only care when it's the party they voted for but don't support.... they epitomize today's lefty brigade. They call balls and strikes when it helps them feel better about themselves.

Typical of the left and the generation that got participation trophies'!!! And you know both of them have a few of those.....

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I only believe that Hokie voted for Trump!

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High Travoltage said:

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"Did any dem leaders call for violence?"

Sees Biden, Pelosi, MSM all do it...

Yeah but....

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