This example of BLM being a confirmed Marxist organization is emblematic of other examples where so-called "conspiracy theorists" are questioned for their beliefs, and often called "crazy" for their beliefs. The so-called "conspiracy theorist" is not "paranoid" and "dreaming up theories about plots". No. What we are talking about is 100% based in irrefutable evidence, and 100% conclusive to the argument we are making.

We simply know facts and evidence that most people are unaware of. But when people who are unaware of those facts hear our conclusion, they think it is a "crazy" or "kooky" belief. But if they actually see the facts on which that conclusion or belief is based, then they can finally realize that those people are NOT "crazy" for holding that belief, and that those people have logic and facts that completely support their belief.

These things are not "theories". No, there is a VERY REAL conspiracy going on. Marxism, as a movement, is a gigantic, worldwide (but open and admitted) conspiracy. A "conspiracy", by definition, is defined as "two or more people working together to accomplish something unlawful or harmful". And most of the time conspiracies are done in secret. But now, with the larger Marxist and "New World Order" conspiracy, it's not so secret all the time. These people are now getting bolder, and admitting much of their true agenda.

Jason Whitlock delivers yet again. Too many good quotes.

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That's going to leave a mark. Good article by Whitlock.

What part of the moment of unity was dedicated to BLM? I think I read that one of the messages said "We believe black lives matter" - are they allowed to say that or does that automatically make them marxist antifa leftists?

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That's going to leave a mark. Good article by Whitlock.

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Pretty sure it won't.

It'll make people who agree happy, and it'll be ignored by people who disagree.

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Yes, people like you that can't see that BLM the organization is a Marxist group. Despite tons of evidence, you refuse to see the truth. Carry on.

Excellent article.

Nailed it right here:

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Social media and the athletes addicted to Twitter and Instagram define BLM as a long-overdue fight for racial equality. Many Americans see BLM for exactly what it is a clever disguise for Marxists and anarchists who seek to destroy American freedoms and those citizens are growing more comfortable expressing their disdain for the BLM movement.

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I would add that it's not only a disguise/ploy to destroy American freedoms -- but much more, including our history, the economy, and (as the author did point out) what unity we did have as Americans.

BLM is using the same ol tried-and-true Marxist tactic of "divide and conquer". They are using the hot button issue of "racism" and "racial injustice" to stoke racial division and get people fighting against each other, and in the process degrade, weaken, and destroy the society, and cause a "crisis" in society -- which the elite orchestrators of the entire agenda will "solve" with a pre-planned "solution"...ie, the implementation of their Marxist/communist agenda.

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What part of the moment of unity was dedicated to BLM? I think I read that one of the messages said "We believe black lives matter" - are they allowed to say that or does that automatically make them marxist antifa leftists?

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Right up there at the top of the article.

"Some of the 17,000 Kansas City Chiefs fans allowed to attend the NFL's season-opening Texans-Chiefs clash booed during the pregame moment of unity because the "moment" was umbrellaed by the Black Lives Matter slogan scrolled across the jumbotrons."

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I think Whitlock is right.

I also think it's ironic that anti-BLM'ers want American to take a nuanced view of their booing during a show of unity but then are all STOP DISRESPECTING OUR COUNTRY when players kneel during the anthem to protest social injustice.

Which is it? Do you want us all to take nuanced views of these protests and pushbacks, or not?

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A moment of unity under the BLM "flag". Not a moment of unity at all.

" Some of the 17,000 Kansas City Chiefs fans allowed to attend the NFL's season-opening Texans-Chiefs clash booed during the pregame moment of unity because the "moment" was umbrellaed by the Black Lives Matter slogan scrolled across the jumbotrons."

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Jason Whitlock delivers yet again. Too many good quotes.

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That's going to leave a mark. Good article by Whitlock.

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Pretty sure it won't.

It'll make people who agree happy, and it'll be ignored by people who disagree.

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Yes, people like you that can't see that BLM the organization is a Marxist group. Despite tons of evidence, you refuse to see the truth. Carry on.

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I never actually disputed this claim. You must be confusing me with someone else.

I don't really know what you mean by "Marxist," other than that you seem to be using it as an infantile, generic boogeyman. You could sub in "satanic" or "leftist" or "islamic" or whatever and it'd be just as vague and empty.

Marx was a philosopher who had some ideas that have had an impact on the world. That's about it. You could even argue he saved capitalism by warning about the ways it could collapse, which in turn inspired people like Keynes. But that's a different topic for another day.

Maybe they're marxist, maybe they're not. I don't actually care.

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Jason Whitlock delivers yet again. Too many good quotes.

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That's going to leave a mark. Good article by Whitlock.

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Pretty sure it won't.

It'll make people who agree happy, and it'll be ignored by people who disagree.

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Yes, people like you that can't see that BLM the organization is a Marxist group. Despite tons of evidence, you refuse to see the truth. Carry on.

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I never actually disputed this claim. You must be confusing me with someone else.

I don't really know what you mean by "Marxist," other than that you seem to be using it as an infantile, generic boogeyman. You could sub in "satanic" or "leftist" or "islamic" or whatever and it'd be just as vague and empty.

Marx was a philosopher who had some ideas that have had an impact on the world. That's about it. You could even argue he saved capitalism by warning about the ways it could collapse, which in turn inspired people like Keynes. But that's a different topic for another day.

Maybe they're marxist, maybe they're not. I don't actually care.

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They're terrorists, and you don't care.

Very telling.

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That's going to leave a mark. Good article by Whitlock.

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Pretty sure it won't.

It'll make people who agree happy, and it'll be ignored by people who disagree.

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Yes, people like you that can't see that BLM the organization is a Marxist group. Despite tons of evidence, you refuse to see the truth. Carry on.

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I bet if you asked everyone that has supported BLM, maybe 30% could define Marxism and what it means to them. I bet you 100% of them could tell you that they support the equal treatment of black people by police.

Just because you identify with someone doesn't mean you subscribe to 100% of their beliefs. Otherwise Republicans for small government would be more concerned with spending $700B on the military without a second thought

More evidence that most sports fans don't want their sports politicized. NFL season opener early TV ratings down double digits. One would think in a sports world where the fans cannot attend, that the viewership would be off the charts, but it was not the case last night. Is it just a one night phenomenon or is it a trend. We shall see. I didn't watch one play and normally I would have.

https://deadline.com/2020/09/nfl-ratings-down-season-kickoff-kansas-city-chiefs-coronavirus-houston-texans-nbc-1234575251/

They were talking about social issues last year too, right? Fox says that their ratings were the highest in years so just want to make sure we're on the same page:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/sports/nfl-ratings-rocket-2019-season

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Jason Whitlock delivers yet again. Too many good quotes.

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That's going to leave a mark. Good article by Whitlock.

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Pretty sure it won't.

It'll make people who agree happy, and it'll be ignored by people who disagree.

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Yes, people like you that can't see that BLM the organization is a Marxist group. Despite tons of evidence, you refuse to see the truth. Carry on.

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I never actually disputed this claim. You must be confusing me with someone else.

I don't really know what you mean by "Marxist," other than that you seem to be using it as an infantile, generic boogeyman. You could sub in "satanic" or "leftist" or "islamic" or whatever and it'd be just as vague and empty.

Marx was a philosopher who had some ideas that have had an impact on the world. That's about it. You could even argue he saved capitalism by warning about the ways it could collapse, which in turn inspired people like Keynes. But that's a different topic for another day.

Maybe they're marxist, maybe they're not. I don't actually care.

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It's hilarious how you act like Marxism is just some "insignificant blip" in history --- now that it is becoming more and more apparent how the Democrat party and the Left are ideologically rooted in socialism/Marxism.

No. Marxism/communism is an EXTREMELY important ideology in the world today. I would argue that the majority of the nations in the world today are ruled by political parties and governments that are Marxist in foundation -- including the ones that are openly communist such as China, North Korea, Vietnam, South Africa, and Cuba...but also including the much larger group of nations that are "socialist" (ie, "communism lite"), which includes almost all European nations, most central and south American nations, and many African nations.

99% of so-called "Leftist" movements all over the world are ideologically founded in Marxism/Communism. That's a fact, whether people are aware of it or not. Marxism is the source of governments that are "secular" and hostile to Christianity, and which call on the government/State to take over control of virtually all aspects of society (including education, health care system, etc).

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That's going to leave a mark. Good article by Whitlock.

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Pretty sure it won't.

It'll make people who agree happy, and it'll be ignored by people who disagree.

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Yes, people like you that can't see that BLM the organization is a Marxist group. Despite tons of evidence, you refuse to see the truth. Carry on.

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I never actually disputed this claim. You must be confusing me with someone else.

I don't really know what you mean by "Marxist," other than that you seem to be using it as an infantile, generic boogeyman. You could sub in "satanic" or "leftist" or "islamic" or whatever and it'd be just as vague and empty.

Marx was a philosopher who had some ideas that have had an impact on the world. That's about it. You could even argue he saved capitalism by warning about the ways it could collapse, which in turn inspired people like Keynes. But that's a different topic for another day.

Maybe they're marxist, maybe they're not. I don't actually care.

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It's hilarious how you act like Marxism is just some "insignificant blip" in history --- now that it is becoming more and more apparent how the Democrat party and the Left are ideologically rooted in socialism/Marxism.

No. Marxism/communism is an EXTREMELY important ideology in the world today. I would argue that the majority of the nations in the world today are ruled by political parties and governments that are Marxist in foundation -- including the ones that are openly communist such as China, North Korea, Vietnam, South Africa, and Cuba...but also including the much larger group of nations that are "socialist" (ie, "communism lite"), which includes almost all European nations, most central and south American nations, and many African nations.

99% of so-called "Leftist" movements all over the world are ideologically founded in Marxism/Communism. That's a fact.

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If NK is marxist and leftist and this is so bad and all, why is Trump such a fan of Kim Jong Un? And how do you make sense of that?

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If NK is marxist and leftist and this is so bad and all, why is Trump such a fan of Kim Jong Un?

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I haven't followed the details of Trump's supposed affinity for Kim Jong Un. But I've already made clear that I do not support Donald Trump, as he is just another RINO fake conservative minion of the ruling elites who are bringing in the globalist/NWO agenda.

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That's going to leave a mark. Good article by Whitlock.

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Pretty sure it won't.

It'll make people who agree happy, and it'll be ignored by people who disagree.

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Yes, people like you that can't see that BLM the organization is a Marxist group. Despite tons of evidence, you refuse to see the truth. Carry on.

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I never actually disputed this claim. You must be confusing me with someone else.

I don't really know what you mean by "Marxist," other than that you seem to be using it as an infantile, generic boogeyman. You could sub in "satanic" or "leftist" or "islamic" or whatever and it'd be just as vague and empty.

Marx was a philosopher who had some ideas that have had an impact on the world. That's about it. You could even argue he saved capitalism by warning about the ways it could collapse, which in turn inspired people like Keynes. But that's a different topic for another day.

Maybe they're marxist, maybe they're not. I don't actually care.

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They're terrorists, and you don't care.

Very telling.

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No no that isn't what I said.

I clearly said that I don't care that they're baby-eating pedophiles. Pay attention.

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I bet if you asked everyone that has supported BLM, maybe 30% could define Marxism and what it means to them. I bet you 100% of them could tell you that they support the equal treatment of black people by police.

Just because you identify with someone doesn't mean you subscribe to 100% of their beliefs. Otherwise Republicans for small government would be more concerned with spending $700B on the military without a second thought

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30%? I think 3% is closer to reality.

It's really unfortunate that the "Black Lives Matter as much as everyone else's" public push is the same name and thus conflated with a BLM organization that's got obvious warts.

There is zero wrong with the statement "Black Lives Matter as much as everyone else's."

There are distracting flaws with the BLM organization and 95%+ of folks that support the movement have nothing to do with the organization.

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More evidence that most sports fans don't want their sports politicized. NFL season opener early TV ratings down double digits. One would think in a sports world where the fans cannot attend, that the viewership would be off the charts, but it was not the case last night. Is it just a one night phenomenon or is it a trend. We shall see. I didn't watch one play and normally I would have.

https://deadline.com/2020/09/nfl-ratings-down-season-kickoff-kansas-city-chiefs-coronavirus-houston-texans-nbc-1234575251/

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Fantasy football numbers have fallen off a cliff too. Woke means broke.

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More evidence that most sports fans don't want their sports politicized. NFL season opener early TV ratings down double digits. One would think in a sports world where the fans cannot attend, that the viewership would be off the charts, but it was not the case last night. Is it just a one night phenomenon or is it a trend. We shall see. I didn't watch one play and normally I would have.

https://deadline.com/2020/09/nfl-ratings-down-season-kickoff-kansas-city-chiefs-coronavirus-houston-texans-nbc-1234575251/

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Fantasy football numbers have fallen off a cliff too. Woke means broke.

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Man, cancel culture is the worst, isn't it?

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More evidence that most sports fans don't want their sports politicized. NFL season opener early TV ratings down double digits. One would think in a sports world where the fans cannot attend, that the viewership would be off the charts, but it was not the case last night. Is it just a one night phenomenon or is it a trend. We shall see. I didn't watch one play and normally I would have.

https://deadline.com/2020/09/nfl-ratings-down-season-kickoff-kansas-city-chiefs-coronavirus-houston-texans-nbc-1234575251/

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Fantasy football numbers have fallen off a cliff too. Woke means broke.

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Man, cancel culture is the worst, isn't it?

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Woke means broke.

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More evidence that most sports fans don't want their sports politicized. NFL season opener early TV ratings down double digits. One would think in a sports world where the fans cannot attend, that the viewership would be off the charts, but it was not the case last night. Is it just a one night phenomenon or is it a trend. We shall see. I didn't watch one play and normally I would have.

https://deadline.com/2020/09/nfl-ratings-down-season-kickoff-kansas-city-chiefs-coronavirus-houston-texans-nbc-1234575251/

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Fantasy football numbers have fallen off a cliff too. Woke means broke.

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Leagues knew there was zero chance taking these stands would increase viewership.

And yet, they did it anyway.

So...

a. they're fine with taking a principled stand that costs them money and/or
b. they weighed the cost/benefit of maintaining viewership and alienating their labor force vs. hurting viewership and giving players the voice and support they demanded.

Business as usual (making massive money on the backs of black athletes while not acknowledging societal issues impacting black communities) was never an option. The players in these leagues wouldn't have allowed it.

Or, maybe we're all reading too much into this and it's really only because it was two smaller market teams with comparatively little buildup/publicity in the midst of a pandemic and wildfires and the country just has a bunch of other mess to worry about. We'll see.

I don't know much about BLM as an organization apart from what I've just now read on Wikipedia and the BLM website. It sounds like it's as much a social movement or concept as anything. Wikipedia says "As a movement, Black Lives Matter is grassroots and decentralized, and leaders have emphasized the importance of local organizing over national leadership."

Editing to finish thought: That's how I've always viewed BLM - as a movement and a concept. And as a concept or set of concepts, it shouldn't be that hard to get behind. For me personally, it means: Be a decent human being, speak up if you see injustice, don't rationalize racism, support reform to punish bad/criminal police behavior, and support reform in the criminal justice system that's biased against non-whites. I'm sure there are other official points, and some points I listed you shouldn't need to list, but that's my take on BLM.

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I don't know much about BLM as an organization apart from what I've just now read on Wikipedia and the BLM website. It sounds like it's as much a social movement or concept as anything. Wikipedia says "As a movement, Black Lives Matter is grassroots and decentralized, and leaders have emphasized the importance of local organizing over national leadership."

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I have the same understanding.

Apparently we are both totally wrong and misinformed but nobody will provide a source that can enlighten our ignorance.

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I have the same understanding.

Apparently we are both totally wrong and misinformed but nobody will provide a source that can enlighten our ignorance.

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Rrrriiiight

I only provided you with a link to one of the co-founders of BLM admitting that their organization is ideologically rooted in Marxism, with her explicitly stating "we are trained Marxists".

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We don't know causality, though. I suspect it's multiple things:

Support for BLM and things related to covid-19 have likely hurt support among white men.

But if you read the poll in more detail, the sports industry has also lost support from non-white americans, which might even reflect a view of the sports industry as being insufficiently active politically.

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I have the same understanding.

Apparently we are both totally wrong and misinformed but nobody will provide a source that can enlighten our ignorance.

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Rrrriiiight

I only provided you with a link to one of the co-founders of BLM admitting that their organization is ideologically rooted in Marxism, with her explicitly stating "we are trained Marxists".

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I wasn't talking about that.

I was talking about the lack of a central organization. I didn't say anything about Marxism.

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Weird how NFL had their highest viewership in a long time last year.

NBA ratings have been down because super teams make it boring to watch unless there's a marquee matchup.

I read the Klan organized under local leadership as well. More things the terror groups have in common.

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Weird how NFL had their highest viewership in a long time last year.

NBA ratings have been down because super teams make it boring to watch unless there's a marquee matchup.

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It's also sort of weird and anti-climactic watching teams play in empty stadiums or in the bubble the NBA has. The mid-season disruption was also sort of weird. I've found it harder to stay engaged or feel compelled in the same way during the playoffs, where the crowd energy typically comes through very strongly on broadcasts.

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We don't know causality, though. I suspect it's multiple things:

Support for BLM and things related to covid-19 have likely hurt support among white men.

But if you read the poll in more detail, the sports industry has also lost support from non-white americans, which might even reflect a view of the sports industry as being insufficiently active politically.

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Or a large group of non white Americans are fed up with it as well.

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We don't know causality, though. I suspect it's multiple things:

Support for BLM and things related to covid-19 have likely hurt support among white men.

But if you read the poll in more detail, the sports industry has also lost support from non-white americans, which might even reflect a view of the sports industry as being insufficiently active politically.

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Or a large group of non white Americans are fed up with it as well.

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Maybe. We don't really know based on the polling, though. That's just a hypothesis.