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Packchem91 said:

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packgrad said:

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packgrad said:

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Remember when Asia was the role model for Coronavirus and masking? Hundreds of articles. Now Japan is canceling spectators at the Olympics when 80+% of the population wear masks, and their citizenry suffers from chronic non obesity. Science.

Oh, and US Democrats still want children to wear masks in school next year. Science.

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Well if the Japanese pushed continuing to wear masks rather than get vaccinated....they earned this dishonor of an Olympics w/o fans. But I don't think that is what happened. Wayland posted some #s where the culture in Japan is very anti-vacc due to some previous issues.

And I'm not sure anyone thinks masking is the best way to prevent spread of covid. Haven't read what the US Dems want for kids in schools but I would expect they'd prefer them to vaccinated first and foremost.

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Vaccinated children is as illogical as masked children.

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For young kids where it's not approved, sure. But CDC says kids 12+ should get vaccinated. But I'm sure they're just being political.

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I'm sure you just want to argue. Science.

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I love science. CDC is a bit more scientific background than you or I.

How is this even an argument?

This is probably the funniest thing I've seen all year...Juvenile with "Vax that thang up" promoting getting vaccinated. The funniest thing is this random lyric/theme in the song saying that if women want to "smash some guy named Scott", they need to get vaccinated...especially at the very end of the video. Freaking HILARIOUS.

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I'm no internet expert, but If kids under 12 can spread the virus asymptotically and vaccination prevents or seriously slows transmission, which is what I thought to be the case, then I'd want kids vaccinated. With an approved vaccine.

Interesting that Japan has a large anti-vax population. I honestly would never have thought that.

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People under 40 are at very minimal risk from the Wu flu, and children under 18 are at virtually ZERO risk. There is no need for anyone under 30 to be vaccinated, even per the "official" narrative on this charade.

The vaccines are only purported to really aid in "boosting your immune system" and "preventing serious illness"....allegedly. They don't prevent you from contracting a virus and transmitting it to others. So even if you jab 100% of children with the poison, they can still get a virus and give it to poor grandma.

Only people over 65 are at any serious risk ...and 80%+ of those over 65 have taken the injections. So there is no reason to worry about them. They are protected, right? If these injections are the miracle cure, then all people over 60 should get them. People under 40 and especially 30 don't need them at all.

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In today's climate, the CDC, NIH, WHO, and all the others appear to practice scientism that any thing else...

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Yet the CDC recommends that kids should be in person school, which i think pretty much everyone here agrees with...so is that political, science, or scientism?

The WHO.....clearly with its funding being different than the CDC because they have many "masters" to keep happy, they appear to be very much influenced by politics.

OMG!!...the Delta Plus variant is here! I'm literally shaking in fear rn. Somebody better lock this thing down now and reinstate mask mandates! Save us Joe Bide please!!!!

Hate seeing the 7 day average starting to turn upward in cases and deaths again. Was really hoping it would continue to fall or at the very least, level off. Certainly didn't want to see it start an upswing again.

Packchem91 said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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In today's climate, the CDC, NIH, WHO, and all the others appear to practice scientism that any thing else...

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Yet the CDC recommends that kids should be in person school, which i think pretty much everyone here agrees with...so is that political, science, or scientism?

The WHO.....clearly with its funding being different than the CDC because they have many "masters" to keep happy, they appear to be very much influenced by politics.

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I get it, but, did they have caveats? Masked vs unmasked? Vaccinated vs unvaccinated?

1/ New CDC report on #covid19 outbreak caused by Delta variant in Oklahoma gym, causing 47 cases.

Notably- over 90% of cases were among *unvaccinated or partially vaccinated* people.

Very high household secondary attack rate (53%)https://t.co/GQonaqF6Ti pic.twitter.com/Ll2R6BXNPO

— Dr. Abraar Karan (@AbraarKaran) July 11, 2021

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But looking at those graphs, even if there is a slight uptick, is the lowest that graph has been since Mar '20. Think it's realistically difficult to expect it to ever get much lower

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I mean, I am genuinely curious. I expected cases to rise into mid to late July and then decrease again. I feel like our August/Sept bump last year was largely driven by college testing.

And right, case numbers (even with a small increase) are still basically at the lowest point since this all started, so we need to look at things in proper context. Is this baseline? Maybe.

I'd expect when whatever mini-wave we are on is over, we won't see much in NC until November, but as long as we are mass testing, we are going to keep finding SOME cases.

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Coupled with the low hospitalization rates, definitely very good. I would think there is another spike when college / school starts back? Hopefully it stays below last years trend lines, to your point, the basic baseline

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I'm no internet expert, but If kids under 12 can spread the virus asymptotically and vaccination prevents or seriously slows transmission, which is what I thought to be the case, then I'd want kids vaccinated. With an approved vaccine.

Interesting that Japan has a large anti-vax population. I honestly would never have thought that.

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People under 40 are at very minimal risk from the Wu flu, and children under 18 are at virtually ZERO risk. There is no need for anyone under 30 to be vaccinated, even per the "official" narrative on this charade.

The vaccines are only purported to really aid in "boosting your immune system" and "preventing serious illness"....allegedly. They don't prevent you from contracting a virus and transmitting it to others. So even if you jab 100% of children with the poison, they can still get a virus and give it to poor grandma.

Only people over 65 are at any serious risk ...and 80%+ of those over 65 have taken the injections. So there is no reason to worry about them. They are protected, right? If these injections are the miracle cure, then all people over 60 should get them. People under 40 and especially 30 don't need them at all.

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The bolded part is the part I'm not sure about and apparently no one is really sure about. I've read that there is evidence that immunized people are much less likely to transmit the virus, but this is based on small CDC studies and expert inference because it's hard to study large groups where many people may be asymptomatic.

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Definitely an small uptick, but we were expecting a summer seasonal surge, and it has been so far underwhelming. I get the disappointment in that cases aren't perpetually going down, but the virus is endemic at this point. It is going to roll up and down following a similar seasonal pattern and hopefully be, at worst, eventually just be another seasonal coronavirus. It probably already is for those who are vaccinated or had prior infections.

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The biggest question will be how this goes from something that shuts down a classroom / daycare for two weeks at a time, to something we deal with like any normal cold / flu.

The insanity of certain people... When did this country STOP being a free country?

https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/mandatory-twice-weekly-testing-for-the-un-vaccinated/

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Wayland said:

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Definitely an small uptick, but we were expecting a summer seasonal surge, and it has been so far underwhelming. I get the disappointment in that cases aren't perpetually going down, but the virus is endemic at this point. It is going to roll up and down following a similar seasonal pattern and hopefully be, at worst, eventually just be another seasonal coronavirus. It probably already is for those who are vaccinated or had prior infections.

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The biggest question will be how this goes from something that shuts down a classroom / daycare for two weeks at a time, to something we deal with like any normal cold / flu.

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People either getting vaccinated or getting sick is what will lead us there. If people would get vaccinated then this corner turn would come quicker....however, the vaccinations have now been politicized and people's egos wont allow them to get vaccinated.

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Vaccines being politicized? The politicizing of the vaccine is on the push for more. Can people just have a hesitancy? Is that ok?

Saw this yesterday. Setting aside the impact on The Open itself, the response to his twitter post is sad.

Look, I enjoy a good argument as much as anyone, but limit that to this private forum where we have a limited audience and we are here for discussion. But the vehemence some folks used to go after Bubba, and his own personal health decision here is just disgusting. Never have understood why people attack in public forums. God, Twitter is a cesspool

Please read… pic.twitter.com/ryN6tDL2TU

— bubba watson (@bubbawatson) July 11, 2021

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Definitely an small uptick, but we were expecting a summer seasonal surge, and it has been so far underwhelming. I get the disappointment in that cases aren't perpetually going down, but the virus is endemic at this point. It is going to roll up and down following a similar seasonal pattern and hopefully be, at worst, eventually just be another seasonal coronavirus. It probably already is for those who are vaccinated or had prior infections.

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The biggest question will be how this goes from something that shuts down a classroom / daycare for two weeks at a time, to something we deal with like any normal cold / flu.

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Media needs to stop seeking feeding on Coronaphobes as a source to boost ratings.

Politicians need to stop using the fear to push agendas.

We go on living our lives and turn of the TVs and tune out the self-serving politicians.

It is only a shame how much they will punish kids in schools to keep things going.

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You mean like today's iteration of the ongoing headline from CNN, where every day, the biggest headline says a bunch of people "may" die? They've had a different version of this pretty much running ever since your charts showed the darn thing is lower than its ever been.

US coronavirus: 'Surprising amount of death' will soon occur in these US regions from increased Covid-19 cases, expert says - CNN

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People either getting vaccinated or getting sick is what will lead us there. If people would get vaccinated then this corner turn would come quicker....however, the vaccinations have now been politicized and people's egos wont allow them to get vaccinated.

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The "politicization" is not the problem. 99% of Republican politicians are pushing the vaccines as well, including Trump who created the "operation warp speed" to produce the vaccines. The real reason why ~30-40% of the population refuses to take the vaccines is because they do not trust that these vaccines are "safe" and/or believe that vaccines are harmful, including many people who believe that there is a nefarious reason why vaccines are pushed on the population (to deliberately cause harm to those taking the vaccines). And that includes many people who are democrats who refuse to take the vaccines. Black Americans have the lowest vaccination rate of any racial demographic group -- many of which do not trust vaccines due to things like the Tuskegee experiment.

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The biggest question will be how this goes from something that shuts down a classroom / daycare for two weeks at a time, to something we deal with like any normal cold / flu.

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Media needs to stop seeking feeding on Coronaphobes as a source to boost ratings.

Politicians need to stop using the fear to push agendas.

We go on living our lives and turn of the TVs and tune out the self-serving politicians.

It is only a shame how much they will punish kids in schools to keep things going.

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Fair, but none of that really has to do with my interest in when the CDC will update guidance to say that schools don't need to close for two weeks when there's a case of COVID. That's what I'm focused on.

The FDA plans to say this week that the Johnson & Johnson vaccine has been linked to a serious but rare side effect called Guillain-Barré syndrome, according to four people who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe internal discussions. https://t.co/5p5IyPRCp4

— The Washington Post (@washingtonpost) July 12, 2021

GuerrillaPack said:

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People either getting vaccinated or getting sick is what will lead us there. If people would get vaccinated then this corner turn would come quicker....however, the vaccinations have now been politicized and people's egos wont allow them to get vaccinated.

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The "politicization" is not the problem. 99% of Republican politicians are pushing the vaccines as well, including Trump who created the "operation warp speed" to produce the vaccines. The real reason why ~30-40% of the population refuses to take the vaccines is because the do not trust that these vaccines are "safe" and/or believe that vaccines are harmful, including many people who believe that there is a nefarious reason why vaccines are pushed on the population (to deliberately cause harm to those taking the vaccines). And that includes many people who are democrats who refuse to take the vaccines. Black Americans have the lowest vaccination rate of any racial demographic group -- many of which do not trust vaccines due to things like the Tuskegee experiment.

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There's no one, singular problem.

But don't kid yourself, vaccine politicization is a huge problem.

As of last month, 50% of Republicans had had at least one shot, compared with 80%+ for Dems.

27% of Pubs are outright refusing vaccines, compared with 3% of Dems doing the same.

There is tremendous GOP resistance to vaccines. Vaccine adoption breaks more strongly among political lines than any other demographic data category, except for age.

We can all argue about how we got here, but let's not sugarcoat where we are.