Or holes in the media's interpretation of those studies.Daviewolf83 said:Agree and this is a reason why I like to read the peer review comments to the studies. I find them to be very helpful when trying to find the holes in the studies.Oldsouljer said:Anyone who thinks Science is automatically and universally a bastion of absolute truth, should read Retractionwatch. Almost daily, some scientist(s) somewhere in the world are being forced to retract their studies, usually because they got called on their BS.Civilized said:Mormad said:GuerrillaPack said:
Also...so funny how vaccinated people are still afraid of unvaccinated people. Wasn't your injection supposed to make you immune? So the vaccine doesn't even work?
Of course, I understand what they are saying about how the vaccine basically just "helps your body fight covid once you get it".
But they admit that vaccinated people will still contract and spread the virus. Sooooo...that means that vaccinated people are facing no more of a threat from unvaxxed people than vaxxed people. They can still contract it from both groups.
There is no legitimate reason for different rules for vaxxed vs unvaxxed.
Oh, stop. The worry is not the vaxxed- unvaxxed interaction. The worry would remain the unvaxxed putting the unvaxxed at risk. So they are SUGGESTING that the unvaxxed should continue to mitigate risk as they have been doing (one would hope) by masking, social distancing and washing their hands because they are still at risk when around other unvaxxed people.
People bemoan the lack of common sense and "science" with every ****ing decision, and then a decision comes down that finally makes some ****ing sense and they still piss and moan.
I've been wanting to say this for the last hour.
I'm gun-shy about using the word 'science' around here since it would elicit predictable and not altogether unwarranted pushback given uneven government and MSM messaging over the last year but like my science teacher wife's shirt says "Science is true whether or not you believe in it!"
Fauci/the CDC are damned if they do and damned if they don't at this point.
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Looks like that "data" which "proved" that vaccination "significantly reduces" your chance of catching the new Black Plague is bogus. Shocker. Or the testing is bogus and these guys aren't even sick. I say both.
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New York Yankees say 8 fully vaccinated team members have tested positive for COVID-19
Looks like that "data" which "proved" that vaccination "significantly reduces" your chance of catching the new Black Plague is bogus. Shocker. Or the testing is bogus and these guys aren't even sick. I say both.
"Ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you." - John 15:19
I wonder how many people would test positive after being vaccinated if they were tested regularly? There is more to this than what we will ever know.GuerrillaPack said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/yankees-covid-gleyber-torres-8-positive/Quote:
New York Yankees say 8 fully vaccinated team members have tested positive for COVID-19
Looks like that "data" which "proved" that vaccination "significantly reduces" your chance of catching the new Black Plague is bogus. Shocker. Or the testing is bogus and these guys aren't even sick. I say both.
All in all like I have said before this was more about making sure President Trump wasn't re-elected than it was about protecting the American people.
Had to have a crisis the lefties could capitalize on, instill fear, create economic turmoil and most of all set up their end game of mail-in ballots. They won the battle. They will lose the war over this.
Here's another "fully vaccinated" person that tested positive for Covid. And please spare the drama of how "we are learning more each day...." The country was shutdown over misleading claims by the W.H.O. and Fauci. All over the hatred of Trump.
https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/tv/bill-maher-tests-positive-covid-forcing-hbo-table-real-time-n1267329
https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/tv/bill-maher-tests-positive-covid-forcing-hbo-table-real-time-n1267329
https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/553490-bill-maher-tests-positive-for-covid-19
I was fully vaccinated on the 23rd of April (2 weeks after my second shot). Since then I have been tested about 10 times. Each time I was negative.
I would say that is pretty regular testing.
I would say that is pretty regular testing.
"Problem is we treat this as if our family or work, or our social group is the herd," explained Dr. Benjamin Neuman, a professor of biology and GHRC Chief Virologist at Texas A&M University. "But the herd is everybody, and herd immunity means everybody's gotta get [vaccinated]."
Many must be happy with masks and social distancing and missed normal.
How surprising are the vaccinated Yankees' COVID-19 cases? Experts explain the implications
Many must be happy with masks and social distancing and missed normal.
How surprising are the vaccinated Yankees' COVID-19 cases? Experts explain the implications
BBW12OG said:I wonder how many people would test positive after being vaccinated if they were tested regularly? There is more to this than what we will ever know.GuerrillaPack said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/yankees-covid-gleyber-torres-8-positive/Quote:
New York Yankees say 8 fully vaccinated team members have tested positive for COVID-19
Looks like that "data" which "proved" that vaccination "significantly reduces" your chance of catching the new Black Plague is bogus. Shocker. Or the testing is bogus and these guys aren't even sick. I say both.
All in all like I have said before this was more about making sure President Trump wasn't re-elected than it was about protecting the American people.
Had to have a crisis the lefties could capitalize on, instill fear, create economic turmoil and most of all set up their end game of mail-in ballots. They won the battle. They will lose the war over this.
Here's another "fully vaccinated" person that tested positive for Covid. And please spare the drama of how "we are learning more each day...." The country was shutdown over misleading claims by the W.H.O. and Fauci. All over the hatred of Trump.
https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/tv/bill-maher-tests-positive-covid-forcing-hbo-table-real-time-n1267329
https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/tv/bill-maher-tests-positive-covid-forcing-hbo-table-real-time-n1267329
https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/553490-bill-maher-tests-positive-for-covid-19
I mean false positives are a real thing. Not saying the number is massive, but it is greater than zero. I assume on people testing positive as a asymptomatic after vax they would double check the test.
Also, there were early studies that showed a higher false positive rate when other coronaviruses were present. Not saying again that they are going to trigger a positive, but it could alter the false positive rate enough to be significant as we get closer to near zero numbers.
I seem to recall a number of NFL 'false positives' over the course of their season. So I would think as the true case load gets lower, they would want to double check some of these asymp cases. And if they are still doing PCR.... dial it down.
Do you mind if I ask why you were tested so much? I assumed that after vaccination you didn't need to be tested, even after a close contact with someone COVID positive, unless you were displaying symptoms.Cthepack said:
I was fully vaccinated on the 23rd of April (2 weeks after my second shot). Since then I have been tested about 10 times. Each time I was negative.
I would say that is pretty regular testing.
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I assume your job requires it, but I am curious as to why they would do this? It is highly unlikely you will transmit the virus after vaccination, based on the data that has emerged so far. I know Dr. Gandhi and some other doctors I follow say we should not be testing people who are fully vaccinated and are asymptomatic. I do know my son is no longer being tested, since he received his vaccination. This was one of the many motivating factors for him to get the vaccine. He was tested over 60 times last football season from July through the bowl game and was being tested regularly during Spring conditioning and practices, until he got vaccinated.Cthepack said:
I was fully vaccinated on the 23rd of April (2 weeks after my second shot). Since then I have been tested about 10 times. Each time I was negative.
I would say that is pretty regular testing.
Wayland said:BBW12OG said:I wonder how many people would test positive after being vaccinated if they were tested regularly? There is more to this than what we will ever know.GuerrillaPack said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/yankees-covid-gleyber-torres-8-positive/Quote:
New York Yankees say 8 fully vaccinated team members have tested positive for COVID-19
Looks like that "data" which "proved" that vaccination "significantly reduces" your chance of catching the new Black Plague is bogus. Shocker. Or the testing is bogus and these guys aren't even sick. I say both.
All in all like I have said before this was more about making sure President Trump wasn't re-elected than it was about protecting the American people.
Had to have a crisis the lefties could capitalize on, instill fear, create economic turmoil and most of all set up their end game of mail-in ballots. They won the battle. They will lose the war over this.
Here's another "fully vaccinated" person that tested positive for Covid. And please spare the drama of how "we are learning more each day...." The country was shutdown over misleading claims by the W.H.O. and Fauci. All over the hatred of Trump.
https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/tv/bill-maher-tests-positive-covid-forcing-hbo-table-real-time-n1267329
https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/tv/bill-maher-tests-positive-covid-forcing-hbo-table-real-time-n1267329
https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/553490-bill-maher-tests-positive-for-covid-19
I mean false positives are a real thing. Not saying the number is massive, but it is greater than zero. I assume on people testing positive as a asymptomatic after vax they would double check the test.
Also, there were early studies that showed a higher false positive rate when other coronaviruses were present. Not saying again that they are going to trigger a positive, but it could alter the false positive rate enough to be significant as we get closer to near zero numbers.
I seem to recall a number of NFL 'false positives' over the course of their season. So I would think as the true case load gets lower, they would want to double check some of these asymp cases. And if they are still doing PCR.... dial it down.
A child in my wife's class has tested positive 2 separate times. The first time they had to go remote a few days. The second time the first symptoms didn't align with when she was in school, so no remote learning. They've not done a follow up test to confirm either time.
Cthepack said:
I was fully vaccinated on the 23rd of April (2 weeks after my second shot). Since then I have been tested about 10 times. Each time I was negative.
I would say that is pretty regular testing.
packgrad said:Wayland said:BBW12OG said:I wonder how many people would test positive after being vaccinated if they were tested regularly? There is more to this than what we will ever know.GuerrillaPack said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/yankees-covid-gleyber-torres-8-positive/Quote:
New York Yankees say 8 fully vaccinated team members have tested positive for COVID-19
Looks like that "data" which "proved" that vaccination "significantly reduces" your chance of catching the new Black Plague is bogus. Shocker. Or the testing is bogus and these guys aren't even sick. I say both.
All in all like I have said before this was more about making sure President Trump wasn't re-elected than it was about protecting the American people.
Had to have a crisis the lefties could capitalize on, instill fear, create economic turmoil and most of all set up their end game of mail-in ballots. They won the battle. They will lose the war over this.
Here's another "fully vaccinated" person that tested positive for Covid. And please spare the drama of how "we are learning more each day...." The country was shutdown over misleading claims by the W.H.O. and Fauci. All over the hatred of Trump.
https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/tv/bill-maher-tests-positive-covid-forcing-hbo-table-real-time-n1267329
https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/tv/bill-maher-tests-positive-covid-forcing-hbo-table-real-time-n1267329
https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/553490-bill-maher-tests-positive-for-covid-19
I mean false positives are a real thing. Not saying the number is massive, but it is greater than zero. I assume on people testing positive as a asymptomatic after vax they would double check the test.
Also, there were early studies that showed a higher false positive rate when other coronaviruses were present. Not saying again that they are going to trigger a positive, but it could alter the false positive rate enough to be significant as we get closer to near zero numbers.
I seem to recall a number of NFL 'false positives' over the course of their season. So I would think as the true case load gets lower, they would want to double check some of these asymp cases. And if they are still doing PCR.... dial it down.
A child in my wife's class has tested positive 2 separate times. The first time they had to go remote a few days. The second time the first symptoms didn't align with when she was in school, so no remote learning. They've not done a follow up test to confirm either time.
Right. We are to the point in the pandemic that a positive antigen/quick test (especially if asymptomatic) should be followed up with a LOW Ct PCR test, to actually verify.
Not that asymptomatic testing should actually be widespread at this point.
GuerrillaPack said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/yankees-covid-gleyber-torres-8-positive/Quote:
New York Yankees say 8 fully vaccinated team members have tested positive for COVID-19
Looks like that "data" which "proved" that vaccination "significantly reduces" your chance of catching the new Black Plague is bogus. Shocker. Or the testing is bogus and these guys aren't even sick. I say both.
When i read this i felt like Maverick after he flew through jet wash and was ignoring his REO trying to decide whether or not to re- engage, but I'm looking at wilmwolf's dog tags saying, "talk to me wilmwolf..."
I've had my vaccine. I'm tested once a month for my job. It's a requirement
Proud member of the "Enemy of the State"
Daviewolf83 said:I assume your job requires it, but I am curious as to why they would do this? It is highly unlikely you will transmit the virus after vaccination, based on the data that has emerged so far. I know Dr. Gandhi and some other doctors I follow say we should not be testing people who are fully vaccinated and are asymptomatic. I do know my son is no longer being tested, since he received his vaccination. This was one of the many motivating factors for him to get the vaccine. He was tested over 60 times last football season from July through the bowl game and was being tested regularly during Spring conditioning and practices, until he got vaccinated.Cthepack said:
I was fully vaccinated on the 23rd of April (2 weeks after my second shot). Since then I have been tested about 10 times. Each time I was negative.
I would say that is pretty regular testing.
Yes for work. I travel to a country that Americans are required to quarantine for 21 days now it was 14. I am allowed to skip quarantine. I go on a controlled itinerary, hotel and work only, cannot stay over 14 days, and get tested all the time.
The country has a zero case objective.
Wow....seems like maybe the mfys got a bad batch of vaccines..... couldn't happen to a better bunch of asshats.
Gleyber Torres Has Tested Positive For Covid-19 Despite Being Fully Vaccinated And Already Having The Virus In The Winter https://t.co/ThqqY77f7B pic.twitter.com/PvpVtzL6eK
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Negative Ghost Rider, the pattern is full.Mormad said:GuerrillaPack said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/yankees-covid-gleyber-torres-8-positive/Quote:
New York Yankees say 8 fully vaccinated team members have tested positive for COVID-19
Looks like that "data" which "proved" that vaccination "significantly reduces" your chance of catching the new Black Plague is bogus. Shocker. Or the testing is bogus and these guys aren't even sick. I say both.
When i read this i felt like Maverick after he flew through jet wash and was ignoring his REO trying to decide whether or not to re- engage, but I'm looking at wilmwolf's dog tags saying, "talk to me wilmwolf..."
Just a guy on the sunshine squad.
The Gatekeeper.
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Wait for it.....
BREAKING: Sources confirm to @ABC11_WTVD that @NC_Governor is expected to ease SEVERAL restrictions, including masks, social distancing and capacity. Full details to come at 1:30 p.m. news conference. #abc11 #covid19 #VaccinesWork #coronavirusNC
— Jonah Kaplan (@KaplanABC11) May 14, 2021
So we are no longer following CDC guidelines.... it has and always was about power and control. The hypocrisy of the left has never been more evident than it is today.
Please someone explain this in whatever terms, medical or political, that you can how it makes ANY sense at all.
Please someone explain this in whatever terms, medical or political, that you can how it makes ANY sense at all.
Nancy Pelosi is ignoring -- contravening -- CDC guidelines by requiring vaccinated House members to keep wearing a mask even after the CDC said it's no longer scientifically necessary. "Follow the Science" was, for so many, about control:https://t.co/I4VtMuKvus
— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) May 14, 2021
This was an incredible interaction and reference fellas. Well done.wilmwolf80 said:Negative Ghost Rider, the pattern is full.Mormad said:GuerrillaPack said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/yankees-covid-gleyber-torres-8-positive/Quote:
New York Yankees say 8 fully vaccinated team members have tested positive for COVID-19
Looks like that "data" which "proved" that vaccination "significantly reduces" your chance of catching the new Black Plague is bogus. Shocker. Or the testing is bogus and these guys aren't even sick. I say both.
When i read this i felt like Maverick after he flew through jet wash and was ignoring his REO trying to decide whether or not to re- engage, but I'm looking at wilmwolf's dog tags saying, "talk to me wilmwolf..."
PackPA2015 said:This was an incredible interaction and reference fellas. Well done.wilmwolf80 said:Negative Ghost Rider, the pattern is full.Mormad said:GuerrillaPack said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/yankees-covid-gleyber-torres-8-positive/Quote:
New York Yankees say 8 fully vaccinated team members have tested positive for COVID-19
Looks like that "data" which "proved" that vaccination "significantly reduces" your chance of catching the new Black Plague is bogus. Shocker. Or the testing is bogus and these guys aren't even sick. I say both.
When i read this i felt like Maverick after he flew through jet wash and was ignoring his REO trying to decide whether or not to re- engage, but I'm looking at wilmwolf's dog tags saying, "talk to me wilmwolf..."
When you can't refute the information, you have to resort to other tactics - such as ad hominem, or just ignoring the information and pretending you "don't need to address it".
"Ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you." - John 15:19
There have been many responses to your false COVID and COVID vaccine information over the past few days. It never leads to anything productive and you will not change your mind, so why bother?GuerrillaPack said:PackPA2015 said:This was an incredible interaction and reference fellas. Well done.wilmwolf80 said:Negative Ghost Rider, the pattern is full.Mormad said:GuerrillaPack said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/yankees-covid-gleyber-torres-8-positive/Quote:
New York Yankees say 8 fully vaccinated team members have tested positive for COVID-19
Looks like that "data" which "proved" that vaccination "significantly reduces" your chance of catching the new Black Plague is bogus. Shocker. Or the testing is bogus and these guys aren't even sick. I say both.
When i read this i felt like Maverick after he flew through jet wash and was ignoring his REO trying to decide whether or not to re- engage, but I'm looking at wilmwolf's dog tags saying, "talk to me wilmwolf..."
When you can't refute the information, you have to resort to other tactics - such as ad hominem, or just ignoring the information and pretending you "don't need to address it".
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Thanks for taking the time to update us. I have a good friend who is an international cargo pilot and he has to do the same thing when he flies to China and a couple of other countries. He does not mind most of the countries, but he said his trips to China are the worst.Cthepack said:Daviewolf83 said:I assume your job requires it, but I am curious as to why they would do this? It is highly unlikely you will transmit the virus after vaccination, based on the data that has emerged so far. I know Dr. Gandhi and some other doctors I follow say we should not be testing people who are fully vaccinated and are asymptomatic. I do know my son is no longer being tested, since he received his vaccination. This was one of the many motivating factors for him to get the vaccine. He was tested over 60 times last football season from July through the bowl game and was being tested regularly during Spring conditioning and practices, until he got vaccinated.Cthepack said:
I was fully vaccinated on the 23rd of April (2 weeks after my second shot). Since then I have been tested about 10 times. Each time I was negative.
I would say that is pretty regular testing.
Yes for work. I travel to a country that Americans are required to quarantine for 21 days now it was 14. I am allowed to skip quarantine. I go on a controlled itinerary, hotel and work only, cannot stay over 14 days, and get tested all the time.
The country has a zero case objective.
.PackPA2015 said:There have been many responses to your false COVID and COVID vaccine information over the past few days. It never leads to anything productive and you will not change your mind, so why bother?GuerrillaPack said:PackPA2015 said:This was an incredible interaction and reference fellas. Well done.wilmwolf80 said:Negative Ghost Rider, the pattern is full.Mormad said:GuerrillaPack said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/yankees-covid-gleyber-torres-8-positive/Quote:
New York Yankees say 8 fully vaccinated team members have tested positive for COVID-19
Looks like that "data" which "proved" that vaccination "significantly reduces" your chance of catching the new Black Plague is bogus. Shocker. Or the testing is bogus and these guys aren't even sick. I say both.
When i read this i felt like Maverick after he flew through jet wash and was ignoring his REO trying to decide whether or not to re- engage, but I'm looking at wilmwolf's dog tags saying, "talk to me wilmwolf..."
When you can't refute the information, you have to resort to other tactics - such as ad hominem, or just ignoring the information and pretending you "don't need to address it".
And I just posted new information which ripped to shreads their/your false "data" and arguments.
I'm completely fine with you not bothering. There's no point in you fighting a losing battle.
"Ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you." - John 15:19
PackPA2015 said:
Mark Manson wrote a nice piece on the Dunning-Kruger effect about 5 months ago.
I posted a question for you and your fellow medical community members. I'm being serious. The situations with the mfys (yankees) and the Ice Cream Queen wreak of false "science" and on the political side nothing but a power play.
How can they say they are following the science say that you have to wear a mask when the CDC just said you don't need to if you are vaccinated? Do you not see ANY hypocrisy in what has and is being told to the American people?
We have seen more flip flops in the last three months than you see at the beach. Sooner or later the chickens are going to come home to roost and this entire thing is going to be exposed.
How can they say they are following the science say that you have to wear a mask when the CDC just said you don't need to if you are vaccinated? Do you not see ANY hypocrisy in what has and is being told to the American people?
We have seen more flip flops in the last three months than you see at the beach. Sooner or later the chickens are going to come home to roost and this entire thing is going to be exposed.
Cooper and Mandy not masked at the presser
All capacity limits lifted immediately.
Mandatory indoor mask in public transit, child care, schools, and healthcare.
Additional recommendations on masking.
All capacity limits lifted immediately.
Mandatory indoor mask in public transit, child care, schools, and healthcare.
Additional recommendations on masking.
So we are on 2 different arguments. GP is arguing that COVID is a scam, is no worse than the flu, and the vaccines are used to control us through microchips or some other crazy theory. You can share thousands of peer-reviewed sources and he will still deny it. No purpose in arguing against crazy.BBW12OG said:
I posted a question for you and your fellow medical community members. I'm being serious. The situations with the mfys (yankees) and the Ice Cream Queen wreak of false "science" and on the political side nothing but a power play.
How can they say they are following the science say that you have to wear a mask when the CDC just said you don't need to if you are vaccinated? Do you not see ANY hypocrisy in what has and is being told to the American people?
We have seen more flip flops in the last three months than you see at the beach. Sooner or later the chickens are going to come home to roost and this entire thing is going to be exposed.
It is still possible to have COVID after the vaccine, so to see cases is not surprising. It is very low risk, like 0.0005% low risk. When you multiple that percentage times the millions that have been vaccinated, you do get a decent number of cases that could occur. It could have been a false positive, especially if asymptomatic. That also happens. I would have to have the actual medical information in front of me to make the decision and the Yankees are sure not going to give that to me. The CDC guidance is what matters right now to you and to me.
I don't see anyone here arguing that Pelosi hasn't flip flopped or not followed the data at some point or another including now. No one on this board is saying, oh yeah Pelosi should still force masks in the chamber, even with those that are vaccinated. You are arguing against something that hasn't been said that I have seen. Honestly, she probably is just exercising her power or just trying to piss off the Repubs in the chamber or both.
PackPA2015 said:
It is still possible to have COVID after the vaccine, so to see cases is not surprising. It is very low risk, like 0.0005% low risk.
Lmfao. Then one third of the Yankees contract the Black Death after their injection. 0.0005% my a$$. That CDC "data" is complete hogwash...about this entire Scamdemic. Anyone who would trust Fauci, the CDC , or the government in general needs a serious reality check.
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Effective immediately, we are lifting all mandatory capacity & gathering limits & social distancing requirements and most mandatory mask requirements. That means in most settings indoors or outdoors the state will no longer require you to wear a mask or be socially distant.
— Governor Roy Cooper (@NC_Governor) May 14, 2021
Think I'm going to queue up some Etta James.
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Hopefully the Carolina Hurricanes can adjust quickly and sell more tickets for their Monday night playoff game. As far as the graduation functions I am attending all weekend at my son's university, I expect masking will still be required at all the events. They still require masks to be worn outdoors on campus. It's their campus, so they get to set the rules.packgrad said:Effective immediately, we are lifting all mandatory capacity & gathering limits & social distancing requirements and most mandatory mask requirements. That means in most settings indoors or outdoors the state will no longer require you to wear a mask or be socially distant.
— Governor Roy Cooper (@NC_Governor) May 14, 2021
Think I'm going to queue up some Etta James.
The same will go for businesses and Cooper just confirmed it. If a business or city want to still require masks, they can do so. He does not expect cities to continue requiring it (I have some doubts about Durham lifting restrictions), but expect some businesses to still require masks. The way I see it - their business, their rules.
Sorry, Wilm. I fell for it again.wilmwolf80 said:
Wasn't arguing that point at all. I was just curious about your professional opinion and how obvious it is that this has been politicized and "over blown." We can disagree on the last statement but it is blatantly obvious that it has.PackPA2015 said:So we are on 2 different arguments. GP is arguing that COVID is a scam, is no worse than the flu, and the vaccines are used to control us through microchips or some other crazy theory. You can share thousands of peer-reviewed sources and he will still deny it. No purpose in arguing against crazy.BBW12OG said:
I posted a question for you and your fellow medical community members. I'm being serious. The situations with the mfys (yankees) and the Ice Cream Queen wreak of false "science" and on the political side nothing but a power play.
How can they say they are following the science say that you have to wear a mask when the CDC just said you don't need to if you are vaccinated? Do you not see ANY hypocrisy in what has and is being told to the American people?
We have seen more flip flops in the last three months than you see at the beach. Sooner or later the chickens are going to come home to roost and this entire thing is going to be exposed.
It is still possible to have COVID after the vaccine, so to see cases is not surprising. It is very low risk, like 0.0005% low risk. When you multiple that percentage times the millions that have been vaccinated, you do get a decent number of cases that could occur. It could have been a false positive, especially if asymptomatic. That also happens. I would have to have the actual medical information in front of me to make the decision and the Yankees are sure not going to give that to me. The CDC guidance is what matters right now to you and to me.
I don't see anyone here arguing that Pelosi hasn't flip flopped or not followed the data at some point or another including now. No one on this board is saying, oh yeah Pelosi should still force masks in the chamber, even with those that are vaccinated. You are arguing against something that hasn't been said that I have seen. Honestly, she probably is just exercising her power or just trying to piss off the Repubs in the chamber or both.
There has been zero consistent messaging out of the current administration. Texas and Florida have opened up and have been for weeks and there wasn't the doom and gloom like the "experts" and the MSM warned. As a matter of fact Michigan has had some of if not the strictest lock down laws/rules in the country and had a hell of a lot worse result because of it.
The fact that people test positive after having it and being vaccinated goes back to what I have said for months. We NEVER should have shut down the country, mandated masks and crippled our economy over this virus.
We could have taken precautions, protected the elderly and most vulnerable. It became a political grenade aimed at the GOP and President Trump that the lefties took advantage of with their media propaganda arm. That can't be argued after all of a sudden we have the crisis at the border, war in the Middle East, horrible job numbers, highest inflation in 12 years and the economy flirting with tanking.
So now it's safe to open? Come on.... you are smart enough to know the jig is up. The virus is real no doubt. But so is all the BS that accompanied it. The left took advantage of the crisis like Pelosi has said many times..."never let a good crisis go to waste."
Their desire for power took the precedent over the lives, jobs and careers of Americans. That my friend can't be disputed.
How generous of Supreme Emperor Comrade Cooper to give us back some of our God-given freedoms. But is still requiring the face diaper on school children and in other situations. Maybe one day we can finally be free. Maybe after just 2 more weeks to flatten the economy.....err I mean curve.
"Ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you." - John 15:19
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