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As the meme said, "If masks work, why social distancing? If social distancing works, why masks? If both work, why are we closed?"

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I don't think we should be closed. I think we should continue to socially distance where possible and wear masks to reduce transmission as much as possible and get us to even lower positivity as quickly as possible. I guess that's too many words for a meme though.

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Herd immunity would not cost that many lives. Perhaps you should read into the virus a bit more and not just base your opinion on the subject on your hatred of Trump.

Here's an article written by someone who has been very knowledgeable on the subject.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/08/25/we-could-beat-covid-19-before-a-vaccine-is-ready/amp/

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I read that and I clicked on a link in THAT ARTICLE you provided. Here's what that link in that article said...

"You look at the United States of America with our epidemic of obesity, as it were. With the number of people with hypertension. With the number of people with diabetes. If everyone got infected, the death toll would be enormous and totally unacceptable," said Fauci, 79, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

Herd immunity is reached when a large part of the population about 70 percent to 90 percent becomes immune to a virus either through infection and recovery, or through inoculation.

It remains unclear whether coronavirus survivors have immunity, or for how long, though some have suggested that allowing the illness to run rampant might help reach herd immunity more quickly, CNN reported.

Using such a tactic also would prove disastrous for hospitals, which would be overrun with patients.

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As the meme said, "If masks work, why social distancing? If social distancing works, why masks? If both work, why are we closed?"

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I don't think we should be closed. I think we should continue to socially distance where possible and wear masks to reduce transmission as much as possible and get us to even lower positivity as quickly as possible. I guess that's too many words for a meme though.

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I'm good with that. Wear masks and social distance and OPEN UP.

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I wear a mask as prescribed by current orders despite the fact that I have questions with its efficacy and I do not like the policymakers OVER PROMISING the benefits. Not arguing that their may not be marginal benefits and that is fine... but masks aren't making COVID go away.

But I don't know the last time I was actually sneezed on by someone other than my own child in the entirety of my life.

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I was at a food truck with my family about 7-8 months ago and a teenager was walking through the crowd and sneezed without covering up. Granted, he appeared to be on the autism spectrum, but it happens unfortunately. I'd rather people have them on if it means we are more likely to reduce transmission and get down to minimal positivity as soon as possible.

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It appears Nashville, TN is having some issues with the accurate reporting of data for Coronavirus. Apparently, the major's office and their health department did not want the public to know that bars and restaurants were contributing a small number of cases (as determined by contact tracing).

Here's a link to an article and report on the issue in Nashville:
COVID-19 emails from Nashville mayor's office show disturbing revelation

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I would be shocked if this hasnt happened in NC given how Cooper has handled COVID

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What does the "masker crowd" mean? Because I've been against keeping everything so locked down but I'm perfectly happy to wear a mask. I'd rather this not turn into us vs. them based on a simple thing like wearing a mask to help reduce transmission.

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I agree 91. Us vs. them is promoted on high.

I eat out about 7 times a week and visit Lowes, Home Depot and Northern Tools often and I follow the signs on the door and if the restaurant (such as Capt. Stanley's/Garner has someone taking temperatures at the door...I oblige). The tables are socially distanced at those places I go to and I wear a mask if I go to the restroom or get up to pay. It's not full proof but it's as close to normal as I can get today! Of course there are a "few" people that refuse the free masks at the door or bringing their own.

To get to herd immunity correctly with the new vaccines will be scary too; will they be tested enough? It will probably be 2 doses too. I'd sure hate to see over 50% of doctors and nurses get on the 1st phase and I certainly hope it works from day one without bad side effects.

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9/10/2020 Morning DHHS update

NC Cases
180,754
NC Deaths
2990
Currently Hospitalized
928 <- 90% reporting (was 916 at 86%)
Completed Tests
2,521,839


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1544 Deaths are now Congregate (+13)
484 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+3)
+32 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

962 Deaths assumed General Population (+16)
2028 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+16)

353 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (+9)
Nursing Homes 192 -> 199
Resident Care 101 -> 103
Correctional 43 -> 41
Other 8 -> 10
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1222 positive cases over 31726* new tests. 3.9% positive rate.

Delta completed tests 31726 but DHHS claims only 26277 completed tests

Dates of Death Reported 9/10
9/9(2), 9/8(5), 9/7(9), 9/6(6), 9/5(5), 9/4(4), 9/3, 8/30, 8/28, 7/20

2 missing Dates of Death assigned dates.
1 death removed on 9/1

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9/11/2020 Morning DHHS update

NC Cases
182,286
NC Deaths
3023
Currently Hospitalized
938 <- 93% reporting (was 928 at 90%)
Completed Tests
2,558,654


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1564 Deaths are now Congregate (+20)
484 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+0)
+33 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

975 Deaths assumed General Population (+13)
2048 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+20)

357 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (+4)
Nursing Homes 199 -> 205
Resident Care 103 -> 105
Correctional 41 -> 37
Other 10 -> 10
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1532 positive cases over 36815* new tests. 4.2% positive rate.

Delta completed tests 36815 but DHHS claims only 30056 completed tests

Dates of Death Reported 9/11
9/10(10), 9/9(6). 9/8(4). 9/7(3), 9/6, 9/5, 9/4(2), 9/1, 8/30, 8/26, 8/17(2), 8/6, 8/3, 7/7

2 DoD previously missing assigned dates.

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9/12/2020 Morning DHHS update

NC Cases
183,740
NC Deaths
3047
Currently Hospitalized
870 <- 95% reporting (was 938 at 93%)
Completed Tests
2,581,132


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1578 Deaths are now Congregate (+14)
485 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+1)
+24 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

984 Deaths assumed General Population (+9)
2063 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+15)

357 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (+0)
Nursing Homes 205 -> 209
Resident Care 105 -> 101
Correctional 37 -> 37
Other 10 -> 10
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1454 positive cases over 22478* new tests. 6.5% positive rate.

Delta completed tests 22478 but DHHS claims only 17717 completed tests

Dates of Death Reported 9/12
9/11(2), 9/10(7), 9/9(3), 9/8, 9/7(2), 9/3(3), 8/30, 8/21

4 deaths added missing DoD.

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9/13/2020 Morning DHHS update

NC Cases
184,936
NC Deaths
3052
Currently Hospitalized
831 <- 91% reporting (was 870 at 95%)
Completed Tests
2,616,108


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1581 Deaths are now Congregate (+3)
485 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+0)
+5 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

986 Deaths assumed General Population (+2)
2066 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+3)

358 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (+1)
Nursing Homes 209 -> 210
Resident Care 101 -> 101
Correctional 37 -> 37
Other 10 -> 10
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1196 positive cases over 34976* new tests. 3.4% positive rate.

Delta completed tests 34976 but DHHS claims only 19632 completed tests

Dates of Death Reported 9/13
9/12, 9/11(4)

DHHS TESTING % POSITIVE FOR TODAY 4.9%

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9/14/2020 Morning DHHS update

NC Cases
185,781
NC Deaths
3060
Currently Hospitalized
895 <- 92% reporting (was 831 at 91%)
Completed Tests
2,634,819


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1587 Deaths are now Congregate (+6)
486 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+1)
+8 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

987 Deaths assumed General Population (+1)
2073 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+7)

350 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (-8)
Nursing Homes 210 -> 208
Resident Care 101 -> 97
Correctional 37 -> 35
Other 10 -> 10
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845 positive cases over 18711* new tests. 4.5% positive rate.

Delta completed tests 18711 but DHHS claims only 13313 completed tests

Dates of Death Reported 9/14
9/13, 9/12(3), 9/11, 9/10, 9/9, 9/8, 8/27, 8/22, 8/17

3 DoD previously missing assigned dates.


DHHS TESTING % POSITIVE FOR TODAY 4.8%

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9/15/2020 Morning DHHS update

NC Cases
186,887
NC Deaths
3111
Currently Hospitalized
916 <- 94% reporting (was 895 at 92%)
Completed Tests
2,652,440


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1621 Deaths are now Congregate (+34)
489 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+3)
+51 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

1001 Deaths assumed General Population (+14)
2110 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+37)

345 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (-5)
Nursing Homes 208 -> 205
Resident Care 97 -> 96
Correctional 35 -> 36
Other 10 -> 8
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1106 positive cases over 17621* new tests. 6.3% positive rate.

Delta completed tests 17621 but DHHS claims only 9563 completed tests

Dates of Death Reported 9/15
9/14(7), 9/13(6), 9/12(5), 9/11(8), 9/10(3), 9/9, 9/8, 9/7(3), 9/6, 9/5, 9/1, 8/30, 8/17, 8/12, 8/9, 8/7, 8/4, 8/3, 8/1, 7/23, 7/16, 7/12(2), 4/14

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9/16/2020 Morning DHHS update

NC Cases
188,024
NC Deaths
3149
Currently Hospitalized
918 <- 96% reporting (was 916 at 94%)
Completed Tests
2,683,384


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1642 Deaths are now Congregate (+21)
498 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+9)
+38 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

1009 Deaths assumed General Population (+8)
2140 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+30)

338 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (-7)
Nursing Homes 205 -> 204
Resident Care 96 -> 91
Correctional 36 -> 35
Other 8 -> 8
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1137 positive cases over 30944* new tests. 3.7% positive rate.

Delta completed tests 30944 but DHHS claims only 22513 completed tests

Dates of Death Reported 9/16
9/15(2), 9/14(13), 9/13(6), 9/12(5), 9/11, 9/10, 9/8(2), 9/6(3), 9/5, 9/4, 9/3(2), 9/2, 8/29, 8/25, 8/14

2 missing DoD assigned Dates

One Death Removed
9/7 (Gaston)

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9/17/2020 Morning DHHS update

NC Cases
189,576
NC Deaths
3180
Currently Hospitalized
894 <- 96% reporting (was 918 at 96%)
Completed Tests
2,714,175


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1654 Deaths are now Congregate (+12)
508 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+10)
+31 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

1018 Deaths assumed General Population (+9)
2162 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+22)

332 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (-6)
Nursing Homes 204 -> 201
Resident Care 91 -> 87
Correctional 35 -> 35
Other 8 -> 9
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1552 positive cases over 30791* new tests. 5.0% positive rate.

Delta completed tests 30944 but DHHS claims only 24950 completed tests

Dates of Death Reported 9/17
9/16(5), 9/15(8), 9/14(8), 9/11(2), 9/8, 9/4, 9/3, 9/1, 8/23, 8/17, 8/16(2), 8/8, 8/3, 7/10

Deaths REMOVED 9/17
8/27, 8/18, 8/14

With so many changes still double checking.

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What does the "masker crowd" mean? Because I've been against keeping everything so locked down but I'm perfectly happy to wear a mask. I'd rather this not turn into us vs. them based on a simple thing like wearing a mask to help reduce transmission.

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I agree 91. Us vs. them is promoted on high.

I eat out about 7 times a week and visit Lowes, Home Depot and Northern Tools often and I follow the signs on the door and if the restaurant (such as Capt. Stanley's/Garner has someone taking temperatures at the door...I oblige). The tables are socially distanced at those places I go to and I wear a mask if I go to the restroom or get up to pay. It's not full proof but it's as close to normal as I can get today! Of course there are a "few" people that refuse the free masks at the door or bringing their own.

To get to herd immunity correctly with the new vaccines will be scary too; will they be tested enough? It will probably be 2 doses too. I'd sure hate to see over 50% of doctors and nurses get on the 1st phase and I certainly hope it works from day one without bad side effects.

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At this point i'm not worried about the safety of the vaccines. Pfizer, Moderna, et al are big companies that stand to make a ****load of money off of the vaccines. They are doing proper Phase I/II/III trials and are not rushing them despite the need. My understanding is that many of the vaccines had a baseline level they could start at regarding the type of virus this is and that's why they've been able to come up with possible vaccines so quickly.

Waiting now for efficacy of the vaccines which can only be proven through double blinded studies of at risk populations. Serum Institute and many US manufacturers are producing already at-risk due to funding from Project Warp-Speed. I'm highly optimistic about vaccines coming out before EOY.

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I wear a mask as prescribed by current orders despite the fact that I have questions with its efficacy and I do not like the policymakers OVER PROMISING the benefits. Not arguing that their may not be marginal benefits and that is fine... but masks aren't making COVID go away.

But I don't know the last time I was actually sneezed on by someone other than my own child in the entirety of my life.

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I was at a food truck with my family about 7-8 months ago and a teenager was walking through the crowd and sneezed without covering up. Granted, he appeared to be on the autism spectrum, but it happens unfortunately. I'd rather people have them on if it means we are more likely to reduce transmission and get down to minimal positivity as soon as possible.

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I'd guess last Dec. I was in Cracker Barrel and an older gentleman was going out to pay and his head was turned towards the ladies' table beside me and a sneeze came upon him and he quickly turned his head and sneezed right in my new plate of food. I thought about it strongly and I proceeded to eat the food. The next day I had a runny nose that was stopped up and a headache and felt bad. I had the cold (I guess) for 10 days or so....they always last twice or 3 times normal with me. They always have even when I was fit as a fiddle. I had terrible Asthma as a little child/baby.

The director of the CDC said yesterday that wearing a mask is just as good as a vaccine. To quote, he said:

"I might even go so far as to say this face mask is more guaranteed to protect me against COVID than when I take a COVID vaccine, because the immunogenicity might be 70%, and if I don't get an immune response the vaccine's not going to protect me. This face mask will."

Based on this statement, we should all agree to wear masks, stop making it political, and open the economy. Send kids and teachers back to school and have them wear masks. Allow people to attend gatherings outside in groups larger than 50, since they can all wear a mask and have the same protection as they would from a vaccine. Open up all businesses fully if a mask can be worn the whole time the people are in the business.

Also, this whole discussion on herd immunity is ridiculous. The US government is NOT pursuing herd immunity as a strategy to defeat the coronavirus. This has NEVER been the strategy. The US government's strategy is to pursue a vaccine and it instituted "Operation Warp Speed" to speed up the production of the vaccine in anticipation of one being eventually approved by the FDA. Typically, production would not begin until a vaccine is approved, due to the economic/business risk to the companies producing the vaccine if it was not approved. The US government has now assumed this risk and this is why production is well underway for several vaccine candidates. This is one thing the US government should be credited for doing. Until we have a vaccine, wear a mask, wash your hands, and social distance. This is the best thing you can do and is equal to having a vaccine according to the CDC director.

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The director of the CDC said yesterday that wearing a mask is just as good as a vaccine. To quote, he said:

"I might even go so far as to say this face mask is more guaranteed to protect me against COVID than when I take a COVID vaccine, because the immunogenicity might be 70%, and if I don't get an immune response the vaccine's not going to protect me. This face mask will."

Based on this statement, we should all agree to wear masks, stop making it political, and open the economy. Send kids and teachers back to school and have them wear masks. Allow people to attend gatherings outside in groups larger than 50, since they can all wear a mask and have the same protection as they would from a vaccine. Open up all businesses fully if a mask can be worn the whole time the people are in the business.

Also, this whole discussion on herd immunity is ridiculous. The US government is NOT pursuing herd immunity as a strategy to defeat the coronavirus. This has NEVER been the strategy. The US government's strategy is to pursue a vaccine and it instituted "Operation Warp Speed" to speed up the production of the vaccine in anticipation of one being eventually approved by the FDA. Typically, production would not begin until a vaccine is approved, due to the economic/business risk to the companies producing the vaccine if it was not approved. The US government has now assumed this risk and this is why production is well underway for several vaccine candidates. This is one thing the US government should be credited for doing. Until we have a vaccine, wear a mask, wash your hands, and social distance. This is the best thing you can do and is equal to having a vaccine according to the CDC director.

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I agree and I also know someone should get a clue!

Tue. Sept. 15, 2020 - President Donald Trump claimed Tuesday during a televised town hall that "herd mentality" could make the coronavirus "disappear" with or without a vaccine.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/09/15/herd-mentality-trump-again-asserts-coronavirus-disappear/5812463002/

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It appears Nashville, TN is having some issues with the accurate reporting of data for Coronavirus. Apparently, the major's office and their health department did not want the public to know that bars and restaurants were contributing a small number of cases (as determined by contact tracing).

Here's a link to an article and report on the issue in Nashville:
COVID-19 emails from Nashville mayor's office show disturbing revelation

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Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. And you'll never convince me this is limited to just Nashville. And the masker crowd can't understand why and stays furious at the rest that refuse to play the game.

On June 30th, contact tracing was given a small view of coronavirus clusters. Construction and nursing homes were found to be causing problems with more than a thousand cases traced to each category, but bars and restaurants reported just 22 cases.

Leslie Waller from the health department asks, "This isn't going to be publicly released, right? Just info for Mayor's Office?"

"Correct, not for public consumption," writes senior advisor Benjamin Eagles.

A month later, the health department was asked point blank about the rumor there are only 80 cases traced to bars and restaurants.

Reporter Nate Rau asks, "The figure you gave of 'more than 80' does lead to a natural question: If there have been over 20,000 positive cases of COVID-19 in Davidson and only 80 or so are traced to restaurants and bars, doesn't that mean restaurants and bars aren't a very big problem?"

Health department official Brian Todd asked five health department officials, "Please advise how you recommend I respond. "

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This is the kind of science I'm looking for. Everybody knows that masks are worn religiously inside bars and restaurants, so it makes perfect sense that these locations would have so few infections traced back to them that the local government would want to suppress the information. Science!

Here's a graph showing the death trends in NC based on deaths by the date of actual date and the deaths on the date they were reported. Even though the deaths by the date they are reported is up and flat, the actual trend is declining. This is despite the larger number of daily deaths announced over the past several days. The blue bars and lines are the ones to pay attention to. The orange lines and bars are what the media reports daily and it is an inaccurate way to report deaths.

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The director of the CDC said yesterday that wearing a mask is just as good as a vaccine. To quote, he said:

"I might even go so far as to say this face mask is more guaranteed to protect me against COVID than when I take a COVID vaccine, because the immunogenicity might be 70%, and if I don't get an immune response the vaccine's not going to protect me. This face mask will."

Based on this statement, we should all agree to wear masks, stop making it political, and open the economy. Send kids and teachers back to school and have them wear masks. Allow people to attend gatherings outside in groups larger than 50, since they can all wear a mask and have the same protection as they would from a vaccine. Open up all businesses fully if a mask can be worn the whole time the people are in the business.

Also, this whole discussion on herd immunity is ridiculous. The US government is NOT pursuing herd immunity as a strategy to defeat the coronavirus. This has NEVER been the strategy. The US government's strategy is to pursue a vaccine and it instituted "Operation Warp Speed" to speed up the production of the vaccine in anticipation of one being eventually approved by the FDA. Typically, production would not begin until a vaccine is approved, due to the economic/business risk to the companies producing the vaccine if it was not approved. The US government has now assumed this risk and this is why production is well underway for several vaccine candidates. This is one thing the US government should be credited for doing. Until we have a vaccine, wear a mask, wash your hands, and social distance. This is the best thing you can do and is equal to having a vaccine according to the CDC director.

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I agree and I also know someone should get a clue!

Tue. Sept. 15, 2020 - President Donald Trump claimed Tuesday during a televised town hall that "herd mentality" could make the coronavirus "disappear" with or without a vaccine.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/09/15/herd-mentality-trump-again-asserts-coronavirus-disappear/5812463002/

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Seriously. What percentage of North Carolinians do you think have already been exposed it?

I've never had one single symptom, but I can guarantee I've already been exposed to it and either a) didn't catch it, or b) was asymptomatic... if you're routinely in Lowes, Home Depot, etc. - sorry, but you've been exposed to it.

The only people that "maybe" haven't been exposed to it are those out there that have been holed up in their basements this entire time working on editing and dubbing back over their "work" until it kinda, sorta, sounds "halfway" like it was actually all said in one take...

Can't wait for the debates, by the way...

And to take it a step further, the same people saying if we had worn masks all along it would be over by now don't think masks need to be worn when it fits their situation. When they're protesting. When they're getting a haircut. When they're working out at their gyms. When the press conference cameras turn off (they think).

Did you read somewhere along the way that masks were the only important thing to getting this under control? I think of it as a toolkit:

• Social distance - harder to catch something from someone if you're not physically close to them
• Wear a mask - also harder to catch something if your nose/mouth have a covering blocking some portion of particles, as well as makes it harder for someone to catch something from you
• Treatments - Remdesivir, HCQ, ventilators, whatever it takes to figure out something that reduces severity and improves hospitalized outcomes
• Vaccines - Pfizer, Moderna, etc. Produce at risk with the help of the government. Once proven safe and effective, distribute to most at-risk populations first and go from there

Just because masks don't keep you 100% from getting it, doesn't mean that they don't help. Shouldn't let great get in the way of good.

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The director of the CDC said yesterday that wearing a mask is just as good as a vaccine. To quote, he said:

"I might even go so far as to say this face mask is more guaranteed to protect me against COVID than when I take a COVID vaccine, because the immunogenicity might be 70%, and if I don't get an immune response the vaccine's not going to protect me. This face mask will."

Based on this statement, we should all agree to wear masks, stop making it political, and open the economy. Send kids and teachers back to school and have them wear masks. Allow people to attend gatherings outside in groups larger than 50, since they can all wear a mask and have the same protection as they would from a vaccine. Open up all businesses fully if a mask can be worn the whole time the people are in the business.

Also, this whole discussion on herd immunity is ridiculous. The US government is NOT pursuing herd immunity as a strategy to defeat the coronavirus. This has NEVER been the strategy. The US government's strategy is to pursue a vaccine and it instituted "Operation Warp Speed" to speed up the production of the vaccine in anticipation of one being eventually approved by the FDA. Typically, production would not begin until a vaccine is approved, due to the economic/business risk to the companies producing the vaccine if it was not approved. The US government has now assumed this risk and this is why production is well underway for several vaccine candidates. This is one thing the US government should be credited for doing. Until we have a vaccine, wear a mask, wash your hands, and social distance. This is the best thing you can do and is equal to having a vaccine according to the CDC director.

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I agree and I also know someone should get a clue!

Tue. Sept. 15, 2020 - President Donald Trump claimed Tuesday during a televised town hall that "herd mentality" could make the coronavirus "disappear" with or without a vaccine.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/09/15/herd-mentality-trump-again-asserts-coronavirus-disappear/5812463002/

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Seriously. What percentage of North Carolinians do you think have already been exposed it?

I've never had one single symptom, but I can guarantee I've already been exposed to it and either a) didn't catch it, or b) was asymptomatic... if you're routinely in Lowes, Home Depot, etc. - sorry, but you've been exposed to it.

The only people that "maybe" haven't been exposed to it are those out there that have been holed up in their basements this entire time working on editing and dubbing back over their "work" until it kinda, sorta, sounds "halfway" like it was actually all said in one take...

Can't wait for the debates, by the way...

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https://www.healthline.com/health-news/wearing-a-mask-may-reduce-how-sick-you-get-from-covid-19

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/07/418181/one-more-reason-wear-mask-youll-get-less-sick-covid-19

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/27/health/coronavirus-mask-protection.html

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0714-americans-to-wear-masks.html

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

https://batonrougeclinic.com/is-wearing-a-mask-necessary/

This thread first hit your screen Feb. 25, 2020

Do we really think if the president had mandated masks early on people would have accepted that? Because they wouldn't have. Even in this thread people can't agree if the CDC and other health organizations are just doing the president's bidding or fighting a valiant fight against him in the name of science. Whether or not wearing masks early on would've had any impact in the damage done, there was never going to be a unified response in this country due to it being an election year, and that's unfortunate.

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Do we really think if the president had mandated masks early on people would have accepted that? Because they wouldn't have. Even in this thread people can't agree if the CDC and other health organizations are just doing the president's bidding or fighting a valiant fight against him in the name of science. Whether or not wearing masks early on would've had any impact in the damage done, there was never going to be a unified response in this country due to it being an election year, and that's unfortunate.

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He'd certainly look a lot smarter to follow science and the people who work in that field instead of acting like he knew more then the Generals!

Does Redfield not know what he's talking about...we know Fauci doesn't know what he's talking about....that's what I hear anyway. Me, I trust both Redfield and Fauci.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/16/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-masks-health-experts/index.html

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Do we really think if the president had mandated masks early on people would have accepted that? Because they wouldn't have. Even in this thread people can't agree if the CDC and other health organizations are just doing the president's bidding or fighting a valiant fight against him in the name of science. Whether or not wearing masks early on would've had any impact in the damage done, there was never going to be a unified response in this country due to it being an election year, and that's unfortunate.

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The president can not mandate a national mask policy and can not require masks be worn nationwide. A president can not lock-down businesses in a state. The president can not force a state to reopen. This is not how the US is government is constituted. The powers described rest with the states and it is up to each state to set the policies for the state. The Federal government issued "guidelines' for controlling the spread and for flattening the curve. These guidelines were originally for 15 days and were extended to 30 days to control the spread. After this, the Federal government issued guidelines for states to follow to reopen. These were guidelines and not enforceable by the Federal government. The states could chose to follow the guidelines or they institute their own guidelines. Many states consulted with Dr. Birx and others on their guidelines and many states still consult with her and the Federal Coronavirus Taskforce on policies to control the spread, particularly on hot spots in each state. If the president wakes up tomorrow and decides to shut it all down, he has to work through the states and the governors. He does not have the constitutional power to shutdown businesses in all states.

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wilmwolf80 said:

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Do we really think if the president had mandated masks early on people would have accepted that? Because they wouldn't have. Even in this thread people can't agree if the CDC and other health organizations are just doing the president's bidding or fighting a valiant fight against him in the name of science. Whether or not wearing masks early on would've had any impact in the damage done, there was never going to be a unified response in this country due to it being an election year, and that's unfortunate.

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He'd certainly look a lot smarter to follow science and the people who work in that field instead of acting like he knew more then the Generals!

Does Redfield not know what he's talking about...we know Fauci doesn't know what he's talking about....that's what I hear anyway. Me, I trust both Redfield and Fauci.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/16/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-masks-health-experts/index.html

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"Redfield said Wednesday that masks may be a more effective protection against coronavirus than any potential vaccine that the President can't stop hyping."

Redfield said the president can't stop hyping a vaccine? It is continuously amazing how cancerous the media is. They are literally cheering against anything the president hopes for no matter how many people it affects.


It also shows how triggered the left is that they are bothered by the president saying he hopes a vaccine is more effective. Seriously what kind of lunacy finds this statement controversial? "As far as the masks are concerned, I hope that the vaccine is going to be a lot more beneficial than the masks." Do people truly hope a ****ing vaccine is less effective than masks because orange man bad? Godalmighty.

Yeah, it's been obvious for a few weeks now the MSM and the Dems (same thing) are actively rooting against a vaccine. At least until after the election - much longer if Trump wins.

They barely even hide it at this point.

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wilmwolf80 said:

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Do we really think if the president had mandated masks early on people would have accepted that? Because they wouldn't have. Even in this thread people can't agree if the CDC and other health organizations are just doing the president's bidding or fighting a valiant fight against him in the name of science. Whether or not wearing masks early on would've had any impact in the damage done, there was never going to be a unified response in this country due to it being an election year, and that's unfortunate.

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The president can not mandate a national mask policy and can not require masks be worn nationwide. A president can not lock-down businesses in a state. The president can not force a state to reopen. This is not how the US is government is constituted. The powers described rest with the states and it is up to each state to set the policies for the state. The Federal government issued "guidelines' for controlling the spread and for flattening the curve. These guidelines were originally for 15 days and were extended to 30 days to control the spread. After this, the Federal government issued guidelines for states to follow to reopen. These were guidelines and not enforceable by the Federal government. The states could chose to follow the guidelines or they institute their own guidelines. Many states consulted with Dr. Birx and others on their guidelines and many states still consult with her and the Federal Coronavirus Taskforce on policies to control the spread, particularly on hot spots in each state. If the president wakes up tomorrow and decides to shut it all down, he has to work through the states and the governors. He does not have the constitutional power to shutdown businesses in all states.

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Right, I get that. I was more speaking in broader terms. I see people say if the president had pushed mask wearing that it would have made a difference. From what I see, whatever he says, about half the country does the opposite, so I just don't see how he could've changed things. Those people and agencies advising the states were against mask mandates early on, I guess mostly based on supply issues and ensuring hospitals had enough PPE. I don't put that on the president.

Nah, I think everyone would like a safe and effective vaccine as quickly as possible. Some are concerned that the administration is cutting corners to get it out before/around election day to give a boost to Trump's reelection chances.

I don't share that concern. I would like a vaccine as soon as possible. I've signed up to be in trials if eligible. I've given blood. I've had antibody testing. I'd like to see everything done to get us back to normal as soon as possible.

I think some of you overestimate the amount of hate for Trump vs. wanting lives to get back to normal.