caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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What do presidents have to do with interest rates or gas prices?

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Please tell us…

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Maybe the better question is, what do interest rates and gas prices have to do with Presidents?

Oldsouljer said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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What do presidents have to do with interest rates or gas prices?

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Please tell us…

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Maybe the better question is, what do interest rates and gas prices have to do with Presidents?

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Yep…

The answer to the question is simple…. I'm still looking for Civ to comment…

caryking said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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What do presidents have to do with interest rates or gas prices?

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Please tell us…

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Maybe the better question is, what do interest rates and gas prices have to do with Presidents?

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Yep…

The answer to the question is simple…. I'm still looking for Civ to comment…

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Why are we playing games here?

The President has very little to do with either.

If you think that's wrong, explain what policies Trump or any other President implemented that had significant effect on either.

Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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What do presidents have to do with interest rates or gas prices?

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Please tell us…

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Maybe the better question is, what do interest rates and gas prices have to do with Presidents?

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Yep…

The answer to the question is simple…. I'm still looking for Civ to comment…

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Why are we playing games here?

The President has very little to do with either.

If you think that's wrong, explain what policies Trump or any other President implemented that had significant effect on either.

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Civ, you will not agree with this and you will provide data that isn't relevant; however, I'll go...

Biden absolutely has slowed our energy production. You will show things, like leases, etc... that said, production is down in the US, by our domestic drillers.

Biden signed bills into Law that have negatively affected our deficit that turns in debt. Printed money has caused significant inflation; therefore, that's how he has affected things. Now, I don't blame him alone as it took, both Pubs and Dems, to create these bills (except a "BIG" few since he's been office) that he signed into law.

Biden hasn't shown any restraint on signing bills...

caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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What do presidents have to do with interest rates or gas prices?

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Please tell us…

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Maybe the better question is, what do interest rates and gas prices have to do with Presidents?

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Yep…

The answer to the question is simple…. I'm still looking for Civ to comment…

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Why are we playing games here?

The President has very little to do with either.

If you think that's wrong, explain what policies Trump or any other President implemented that had significant effect on either.

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Civ, you will not agree with this and you will provide data that isn't relevant; however, I'll go...

Biden absolutely has slowed our energy production. You will show things, like leases, etc... that said, production is down in the US, by our domestic drillers.

Biden signed bills into Law that have negatively affected our deficit that turns in debt. Printed money has caused significant inflation; therefore, that's how he has affected things. Now, I don't blame him alone as it took, both Pubs and Dems, to create these bills (except a "BIG" few since he's been office) that he signed into law.

Biden hasn't shown any restraint on signing bills...

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US oil production dipped sharply during COVID and has ramped back up and now exceeds pre-COVID production. Where is the evidence of consequential slowing of production?





We've gone over the stimulus issue. The government was much too slow to stimulate the economy during the Great Recession and didn't want to repeat that disaster. Was the last COVID stimulus too much? Maybe, but that's only clear in hindsight. Also, every developed nation has struggled with inflation over the last few years and our inflation rate is better than most every other similar nation.

What would Trump have done or not done to consequentially improve inflation when our inflation is already better than most other first-world nations?

Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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What do presidents have to do with interest rates or gas prices?

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Please tell us…

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Maybe the better question is, what do interest rates and gas prices have to do with Presidents?

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Yep…

The answer to the question is simple…. I'm still looking for Civ to comment…

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Why are we playing games here?

The President has very little to do with either.

If you think that's wrong, explain what policies Trump or any other President implemented that had significant effect on either.

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Civ, you will not agree with this and you will provide data that isn't relevant; however, I'll go...

Biden absolutely has slowed our energy production. You will show things, like leases, etc... that said, production is down in the US, by our domestic drillers.

Biden signed bills into Law that have negatively affected our deficit that turns in debt. Printed money has caused significant inflation; therefore, that's how he has affected things. Now, I don't blame him alone as it took, both Pubs and Dems, to create these bills (except a "BIG" few since he's been office) that he signed into law.

Biden hasn't shown any restraint on signing bills...

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US oil production dipped sharply during COVID and has ramped back up and now exceeds pre-COVID production. Where is the evidence of consequential slowing of production?





We've gone over the stimulus issue. The government was much too slow to stimulate the economy during the Great Recession and didn't want to repeat that disaster. Was the last COVID stimulus too much? Maybe, but that's only clear in hindsight. Also, every developed nation has struggled with inflation over the last few years and our inflation rate is better than most every other similar nation.

What would Trump have done or not done to consequentially improve inflation when our inflation is already better than most other first-world nations?

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A couple of thoughts:

The graph certainly appears to be correct. I couldn't find anything to dispute the info; therefore, my point above needs to be corrected...

I wasn't in favor of any of the COVID stimulus programs. I believe the economy will work its way out of any situation.

Now, I think some of the bills passed, by Democrats (Inflation Reduction Act, etc...) was way out of line, for the country.

I don't like to compare the US Economy with other Economy's as ours is the most dynamic one, on the planet, that is... if we can hang on...

I have no idea what Trump would have done. I would hope he realized that the stimulus, he signed, was good enough for the time. Also, I would hope he would have encouraged the continuing of tightening, at the Federal Reserve. What happened in his first couple of years? I think 2T+ dollars was removed from the Feds Balance Sheet...

caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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What do presidents have to do with interest rates or gas prices?

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Please tell us…

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Maybe the better question is, what do interest rates and gas prices have to do with Presidents?

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Yep…

The answer to the question is simple…. I'm still looking for Civ to comment…

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Why are we playing games here?

The President has very little to do with either.

If you think that's wrong, explain what policies Trump or any other President implemented that had significant effect on either.

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Civ, you will not agree with this and you will provide data that isn't relevant; however, I'll go...

Biden absolutely has slowed our energy production. You will show things, like leases, etc... that said, production is down in the US, by our domestic drillers.

Biden signed bills into Law that have negatively affected our deficit that turns in debt. Printed money has caused significant inflation; therefore, that's how he has affected things. Now, I don't blame him alone as it took, both Pubs and Dems, to create these bills (except a "BIG" few since he's been office) that he signed into law.

Biden hasn't shown any restraint on signing bills...

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Inflation has now mostly dropped back down to pre-pandemic levels... perhaps you could use your macroeconomics expertise to help us understand how Biden's bills suddenly stopped causing inflation?

It could be argued that temporary pandemic stimulus could have had a role in the inflation spike (even though it was a global phenomenon), but guess what? A big chunk of that stimulus was signed into law by Trump! I imagine you're very mad at him, too.

Here's a good and very plausible scenario for all you America first folks

Another taste of what things wld be like under a China “led” order vs one primarily influenced/led by the US. https://t.co/2JtPNdBEw2

— Rebeccah Heinrichs (@RLHeinrichs) December 21, 2023

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Here's a good and very plausible scenario for all you America first folks

Another taste of what things wld be like under a China “led” order vs one primarily influenced/led by the US. https://t.co/2JtPNdBEw2

— Rebeccah Heinrichs (@RLHeinrichs) December 21, 2023

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We have an emotional relationship, based on our Biblical World View, for Israel. We should support them financially. Israel is perfectly capable of handling themselves militarily.

Taiwan, on the other hand, we have a vital national interest with them. I'm sure you know what that is…

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Here's a good and very plausible scenario for all you America first folks

Another taste of what things wld be like under a China “led” order vs one primarily influenced/led by the US. https://t.co/2JtPNdBEw2

— Rebeccah Heinrichs (@RLHeinrichs) December 21, 2023

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We have an emotional relationship, based on our Biblical World View, for Israel. We should support them financially. Israel is perfectly capable of handling themselves militarily.

Taiwan, on the other hand, we have a vital national interest with them. I'm sure you know what that is…

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Our relationship with Israel is a lot more strategic than Biblical.

Israel is a bastion of democracy and secular rule of law in a region that would otherwise be overrun by Muslim theocracies, Sharia law, and jihadism.

The concept of the US pushing Western ideals into regions that are not receptive does not have a track record of success, but us being allied with and otherwise supporting a self-selecting Western-style democracy that's aligned with the US already in such a region makes all kinds of strategic sense.

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I actually agree with you here.

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Yea… Civ speaking truth this morning!

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Sun even shines on a dog's ass some days.

Merry Christmas, boys.

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Merry Christmas, Civ!!

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Here's a good and very plausible scenario for all you America first folks

Another taste of what things wld be like under a China “led” order vs one primarily influenced/led by the US. https://t.co/2JtPNdBEw2

— Rebeccah Heinrichs (@RLHeinrichs) December 21, 2023

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We have an emotional relationship, based on our Biblical World View, for Israel. We should support them financially. Israel is perfectly capable of handling themselves militarily.

Taiwan, on the other hand, we have a vital national interest with them. I'm sure you know what that is…

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Our relationship with Israel is a lot more strategic than Biblical.

Israel is a bastion of democracy and secular rule of law in a region that would otherwise be overrun by Muslim theocracies, Sharia law, and jihadism.

The concept of the US pushing Western ideals into regions that are not receptive does not have a track record of success, but us being allied with and otherwise supporting a self-selecting Western-style democracy that's aligned with the US already in such a region makes all kinds of strategic sense.

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This has actually been my argument as to why the USA should be backing Israel in their war. They are basically our only ally in the area. For that reason alone, we should be doing what we can to help them. There are many other reasons we should back them, but at the end of the day, its basically the only country in the region that holds similar ideals to us

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Sun even shines on a dog's ass some days.

Merry Christmas, boys.

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Civ is having a good day. Merry Christmas CIv back to ya..........I'm surprised it wasn't happy holidays from your side of the pasture.

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Sun even shines on a dog's ass some days.

Merry Christmas, boys.

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Civ is having a good day. Merry Christmas CIv back to ya..........I'm surprised it wasn't happy holidays from your side of the pasture.

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HAPPY HOLIDAYS!

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Sun even shines on a dog's ass some days.

Merry Christmas, boys.

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Civ is having a good day. Merry Christmas CIv back to ya..........I'm surprised it wasn't happy holidays from your side of the pasture.

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Be that as it may, we can all be grateful that we are part of the 38% not living paycheck2paycheck that have the means for a little splurge like an IPS subscription.
https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/has-silent-depression-already-started-united-states

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Sun even shines on a dog's ass some days.

Merry Christmas, boys.

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Merry Christmas to you!

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Great! Now do we need to go through why it's just as vitally important to our national interests to make sure Ukraine doesn't lose their war, why Putin is most definitely not our friend, and why the U.S. withdrawing from NATO would be extremely bad for our national security? Republicans seem to be confused on this topic lately.

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Yep, quite analogous situations.

Both sovereign allied democracies in the midst of, and attacked by, autocratic/terrorist US adversaries.

Both attacks were unprovoked and both Israel and Ukraine are simply looking to protect themselves and exist peaceably with adjacent countries.

Ukraine's situation is more dire than Israel since their military is combating Russia instead of a small splinter "government"/terror group.

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I think not liking Putin and not supporting Ukraine can both exist…. Now, if we could get a better understanding of how the money is being spent that "might" ease some of the angst.

Outside of not liking Putin, where is out national interest is supporting Ukraine? For me, it's clear with Taiwan. Ukraine, not so much…

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This is pretty much where I am. I can't stand Putin and not saying I don't support Ukraine, I just wanna know how our tax dollars are being spent over there. I was the same with Afghanistan and the whole Iraq debacle.

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Great! Now do we need to go through why it's just as vitally important to our national interests to make sure Ukraine doesn't lose their war, why Putin is most definitely not our friend, and why the U.S. withdrawing from NATO would be extremely bad for our national security? Republicans seem to be confused on this topic lately.

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Yep, quite analogous situations.

Both sovereign allied democracies in the midst of, and attacked by, autocratic/terrorist US adversaries.

Both attacks were unprovoked and both Israel and Ukraine are simply looking to protect themselves and exist peaceably with adjacent countries.

Ukraine's situation is more dire than Israel since their military is combating Russia instead of a small splinter "government"/terror group.

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I think not liking Putin and not supporting Ukraine can both exist…. Now, if we could get a better understanding of how the money is being spent that "might" ease some of the angst.

Outside of not liking Putin, where is out national interest is supporting Ukraine? For me, it's clear with Taiwan. Ukraine, not so much…

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It isn't "not liking Putin", it's that Putin has declared publicly on many occasions that dismantling America's superpower status and the NATO alliance is a key priority in advancing Russia's interests. Who would have thought that suddenly the rank and file American conservative also sees dismantling America's superpower status and the NATO alliance as their top priorities. Funny how that works.

Anyway, if you can understand how Middle East stability is in our national interest, then European stability should be even easier to understand. Leaving aside how instability affects various global markets, we've been dragged into two world wars over instability in Europe, and now for the first time since WW2 we have a sovereign European nation being invaded. It shouldn't be hard to understand why letting that aggression stand could end up being very costly to us down the road.

STOP TRUMP!!!!!!!!! Whatever it takes.......wonder why?

Tucker: “You thought Democrats were going to dump Biden for Gavin Newsom, but they're not. They're backing Nikki Haley instead.”

(She’s one of them! 🦹🏻‍♂️)

pic.twitter.com/CEq77EIw3Q

— Myrna 💋💄🍺 (@GigaBeers) January 3, 2024

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Vivek continues dropping bombs.

WAPO reporter doubles down: You didn’t say that you condemn white supremacy though.

She immediately regrets it.@VivekGRamaswamy isn’t going to play the game. pic.twitter.com/2NHshriVZa

— Chris Carapezza (@Chris_Carapezza) January 3, 2024

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Man that was really well done. Vivek is growing on me.

Yeah, all of his policy stances are pretty terrible but at least he owns the libs! He's earned my vote!

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Yeah, all of his policy stances are pretty terrible but at least he owns the libs! He's earned my vote!

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Hey Hokie you anticipate voting in the Republican primary?

If so which way are you leaning right now?

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Yeah, all of his policy stances are pretty terrible but at least he owns the libs! He's earned my vote!

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Yeah. These are terrible stances, "conservative" hokie. Lol.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/shows/meetthepress/blog/rcna119091%0A

But at least you can own the conservatives on the board and get likes from the liberals, amirite?

Edit to add that it's hilarious that you can't even acknowledge that his point is 100% correct. The "pure conservative" hokie is showing his true colors.

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Yeah, all of his policy stances are pretty terrible but at least he owns the libs! He's earned my vote!

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Hey Hokie you anticipate voting in the Republican primary?

If so which way are you leaning right now?

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Haley seems to be the only grow up on the field.

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hokiewolf said:

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Yeah, all of his policy stances are pretty terrible but at least he owns the libs! He's earned my vote!

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Hey Hokie you anticipate voting in the Republican primary?

If so which way are you leaning right now?

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Haley seems to be the only grow up on the field.

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Yep, Hokie supports the candidate that the Democratic donors want the most. They know Biden can't win, so, they start supporting Haley as she's the most likely candidate that will keep the Neo-Libs and Neo-Cons control on our country…

Hokie, you and I have spent time together and I believe we DO have similar political beliefs; however, the implementation of those beliefs is very different. Perhaps we should have lunch again?