caryking said:
barelypure said:
caryking said:
barelypure said:
Now that it has been revealed that the CIA were involved, illegally, it's not so much of a stretch to think that other agencies were also involved and why Wray and others refuse to answer the question. Why were they there, what was their purpose? We don't see them coming to the aid of the Capitol Police which 1 would think would be their normal reaction, to protect their fellow lawmen.
This leads to the conspiracy theory they were there to foment a reaction in the already heated crowd. That the National Guard, something else that we now know was proffered but rejected by the highest levels of Congress, should have been onsite from the day before until after the transition of power.
There's also the question of why the Capitol Police were outside, in harm's way. From time immemorial defending forces have taken refuge behind the walls not out front of the structure rendering them in harm's way of an attacking force. The CP should have been safely ensconced inside behind barred doors and windows if their mission was to protect members of Congress. Let wave upon wave of attacking "insurrectionists" fling themselves onto the stalwart walls of the Capitol only to be repelled. We already have seen what happens when an "insurrectionist" attempts to enter thru a broken window. Surely that would have discouraged even the most ardent attacker.
Now if the CP were seen as mere pawns to be used and tossed mercilessly to the blood thirsty mob in order to achieve a goal of retribution against Trump and his ilk then you put them where they can be bloodied so as to engender sympathy from the masses later on. And they knew their willing puppets in the media would spread the tale far and wide all the while dismissing any contrary message as buffoonery.
We know the Jan6 committee carefully chose what videos to release and what ones to hide from view. We know they carefully selected their witnesses and coached some of them as to their testimony. We know that there are some testimonies that have been redacted and deleted altogether all in an effort to paint the canvas with 1 solitary purpose.
Yes, bad things happened that day by bad people. However some of the bad people were on the inside and I think thru agents helped rather than stopping the carnage. 1 day we may know the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth as little by little more is being revealed that should send shivers down your body. There's lots of blame to go around and yet we're more concerned with punishing those who were but used in this Machiavellian plot.
barelypure, you are a radical Trump supporting idiot... How can you say the things you say? The following article disputes everything you say...
https://revolver.news/2023/09/j6-bodycam-footage-revealing-undercover-cops-and-antifa-working-with-cnn-john-sullivan-is-reportedly-missing/
Idiot I may be. Radical Trump supporter, not really. How can you look at what's being revealed and not see how we were being played? Do you believe everything you're being fed by the media, esp. Revolver? How many times must we be lied to only to later find out the truth? There are forces at work to divide us, both within and out.
Can you explain why the Capitol Police were outside and not inside when their mission is to protect Congress? There is no rational defense.
Can you explain why so many of the Capitol Police were given that day off despite the 1000s of people who were there? In most potential riot situations, and remember Intel agencies had foreknowledge of pending trouble, all personnel are on hand.
Can you explain why the National Guard was rejected?
Can you explain why only the most egregious videos were shown or testimony released?
It was all done for 1 purpose and unfortunately too many people took part when it could have been nipped before it even began.
Shouldn't we demand answers and not meekly that which we're being force fed by 1 side. While I greatly regret what happened to cavalierly dismiss it without examining the underlying causes does a injustice to what our Democracy really means.
Somewhere it is written that we have the right to assembly to address our grievances with the government. It could be argued that is exactly what many of the people that day were there for. That there were bad elements in the crowd, some of which I believe were federal agents or their lackeys, should be apparent even to the most loyal Bidenista. It didn't have to go down the way it did and it shouldn't have. There were steps honest power brokers would have taken to see that it didn't devolve into chaos. Some saw a crisis in the making and decided to take full advantage of it. Never let a crisis go to waste.
I hope you know I was messing around, when calling you an idiot or Trump supporter...
That said, I think all your points are completely rational. On that day, I certainly thought... What the heck is happening? I came away with a sad, sinking feeling. Then, on further review, everything, or partly things started to not make sense. Sure, some bad actors were there... Sure, the narrative started to be questioned. Unfortunately, some are putting their blinders on and seeing one side.
If a person wants to accept the narrative, then have at it... I chose to ask questions... I can be as critical about the political party, I'm registered in, as the political party, I'm not... Then, I get called: You're in a cult. I think that's rich, coming from people who appear to never question anything about their political party.
As I have said many times... we all have different world views...
It's when you begin to ask questions and see that the answers are just more smoke screen that gives rise to even more questions that you begin to wonder how much of what you've been told is true.
My people belonged to the Democrat Party. As did I for many years. Then when the questions begin to mount as to what their true motives were I registered as a Republican. But I'm a conservative and neither party is conservative so I felt as if I didn't have a home. I briefly flirted with joining the New Whig Party but they never quite got their stuff together and that lead me to being Unaffiliated, which has served me well for a long time. Ive always questioned authority. I'm not content to being fed bs that doesn't pass the smell test.
I read, a lot. I have subs to NYT, WaPo, and Wash. Times, as well as some what many would say are alternative news feeds, like Epoch. Thing is read something in one and if it strikes a chord look at what others are reporting. Look for local news feeds who are more likely less political and more factual as they don't have the same axe to grind.
Too many feed at the trough and never question. That's not me. I don't have an agenda except to understand the why. And in Jan6 there's too many questions as to the why to casually accept what we're being told.
Now if the general is between Trump or Biden, yes I'll be voting for Trump. He's the less dangerous. As we've seen there's so many guardrails against what he might do, if it even occurred to him, that I'm confident we're protected. Take for example his order to draw down the troops in Syria. The generals disagreed and didn't draw down but lied to him, the CiC, which is illegal but they got away with it. For that reason if he were to say pull out of NATO, the left's big complaint, he couldn't. They wouldn't let him. NATO would still get paid.
Biden, OTOH, I'm not so sure. I'm not even sure who is pulling the levers. I'm reasonably sure it's not Joe. So in not knowing I'm not comfortable that they couldn't be controlled or stopped. For that reason Trump seems to be the safer choice. Do I wish we had better choices, well we have to play the hand dealt. We have a 10 high nothing vs a 6 high. I have to go with the winning hand but what I wouldn't give for a pair of deuces. Maybe next time.
