I want to see NY take his properties. I think that might be the biggest backfire in history. Business people are watching closely…ncsupack1 said:
Speaking of Trump, is he going to be find the cash? I see he is having some trouble with getting a bond.
So? We've all violated the law in some fashion in the course of our lives. Illegal just isn't a thing anymore, especially with some of the made-up-from-thin-air drivel that Trump is being charged with.Civilized said:packgrad said:
Pay off his mistress and pay it off as a business expense!!!
lol.
Thats a reason to have TDS???
Your list explains how deranged you are.
What a joke.
It doesn't top the list of things about Trump that make him unfit but it is illegal.
Oldsouljer said:So? We've all violated the law in some fashion in the course of our lives. Illegal just isn't a thing anymore, especially with some of the made-up-from-thin-air drivel that Trump is being charged with.Civilized said:packgrad said:
Pay off his mistress and pay it off as a business expense!!!
lol.
Thats a reason to have TDS???
Your list explains how deranged you are.
What a joke.
It doesn't top the list of things about Trump that make him unfit but it is illegal.
You know Civ… your points above, regarding Trump, appear to me, just like the most recent narrative…Civilized said:Oldsouljer said:So? We've all violated the law in some fashion in the course of our lives. Illegal just isn't a thing anymore, especially with some of the made-up-from-thin-air drivel that Trump is being charged with.Civilized said:packgrad said:
Pay off his mistress and pay it off as a business expense!!!
lol.
Thats a reason to have TDS???
Your list explains how deranged you are.
What a joke.
It doesn't top the list of things about Trump that make him unfit but it is illegal.
Again, I already said the mistress payoff thing doesn't even really rate for me relative to the other behaviors of Trump that are profoundly unpresidential, likely illegal, and absolutely positively undemocratic. I'm sure lots of presidents have had mistresses, although few have had them as publicly as Trump or tried to pay them off as ineptly and embarrassingly as Trump.
"Illegal just isn't a thing anymore" when talking about an American President's behavior is laughable, but also fitting for where you need to be if you're going to support Trump.
No other presidents have had close-circle friends and advisers go to prison for obstructing justice in an investigation regarding their interfacing with a foreign adversary.
No other presidents have attempted to overturn the results of a free and fair American election.
No other presidents have encouraged and enabled anything remotely similar to whatever you want to call January 6.
These are the behaviors of Trump that are profoundly different from past American Presidents. These are the behaviors that make him unworthy and unfit to lead this nation.
When you and others continue to defend behavior that would be unacceptable if Trump was the Democratic nominee is why people call it a cult. Celebrating how big crowds are at rallies is cultish, making excuses for every thing he did wrong after the 2000 election is cultish, and believing a lie 2 election cycles later that the election was stolen is cultish. Saying that this election is the one that will save or destroy America is cultish.caryking said:You know Civ… your points above, regarding Trump, appear to me, just like the most recent narrative…Civilized said:Oldsouljer said:So? We've all violated the law in some fashion in the course of our lives. Illegal just isn't a thing anymore, especially with some of the made-up-from-thin-air drivel that Trump is being charged with.Civilized said:packgrad said:
Pay off his mistress and pay it off as a business expense!!!
lol.
Thats a reason to have TDS???
Your list explains how deranged you are.
What a joke.
It doesn't top the list of things about Trump that make him unfit but it is illegal.
Again, I already said the mistress payoff thing doesn't even really rate for me relative to the other behaviors of Trump that are profoundly unpresidential, likely illegal, and absolutely positively undemocratic. I'm sure lots of presidents have had mistresses, although few have had them as publicly as Trump or tried to pay them off as ineptly and embarrassingly as Trump.
"Illegal just isn't a thing anymore" when talking about an American President's behavior is laughable, but also fitting for where you need to be if you're going to support Trump.
No other presidents have had close-circle friends and advisers go to prison for obstructing justice in an investigation regarding their interfacing with a foreign adversary.
No other presidents have attempted to overturn the results of a free and fair American election.
No other presidents have encouraged and enabled anything remotely similar to whatever you want to call January 6.
These are the behaviors of Trump that are profoundly different from past American Presidents. These are the behaviors that make him unworthy and unfit to lead this nation.
Bloodbath
The media, in a concerted way, mislead the country in that word that is so unfortunate. For me, and most Trump supporters, see your points in the exact same way. Narratives shape the minds in many different ways. I'm sure mine has been shaped as well.
So, when you, and others have said things like… those people are in a cult,, please understand, it's equally said about you, and others like you. You know.. TDS.
That's why I have said things like… different world views, somebody has to win, etc…
This country is in a bad place and I believe, the future may look back and say… the civil war in the early 2000's was…
Actually, that's not truth, that's an opinion (most of what you posted above).hokiewolf said:When you and others continue to defend behavior that would be unacceptable if Trump was the Democratic nominee is why people call it a cult. Celebrating how big crowds are at rallies is cultish, making excuses for every thing he did wrong after the 2000 election is cultish, and believing a lie 2 election cycles later that the election was stolen is cultish. Saying that this election is the one that will save or destroy America is cultish.caryking said:You know Civ… your points above, regarding Trump, appear to me, just like the most recent narrative…Civilized said:Oldsouljer said:So? We've all violated the law in some fashion in the course of our lives. Illegal just isn't a thing anymore, especially with some of the made-up-from-thin-air drivel that Trump is being charged with.Civilized said:packgrad said:
Pay off his mistress and pay it off as a business expense!!!
lol.
Thats a reason to have TDS???
Your list explains how deranged you are.
What a joke.
It doesn't top the list of things about Trump that make him unfit but it is illegal.
Again, I already said the mistress payoff thing doesn't even really rate for me relative to the other behaviors of Trump that are profoundly unpresidential, likely illegal, and absolutely positively undemocratic. I'm sure lots of presidents have had mistresses, although few have had them as publicly as Trump or tried to pay them off as ineptly and embarrassingly as Trump.
"Illegal just isn't a thing anymore" when talking about an American President's behavior is laughable, but also fitting for where you need to be if you're going to support Trump.
No other presidents have had close-circle friends and advisers go to prison for obstructing justice in an investigation regarding their interfacing with a foreign adversary.
No other presidents have attempted to overturn the results of a free and fair American election.
No other presidents have encouraged and enabled anything remotely similar to whatever you want to call January 6.
These are the behaviors of Trump that are profoundly different from past American Presidents. These are the behaviors that make him unworthy and unfit to lead this nation.
Bloodbath
The media, in a concerted way, mislead the country in that word that is so unfortunate. For me, and most Trump supporters, see your points in the exact same way. Narratives shape the minds in many different ways. I'm sure mine has been shaped as well.
So, when you, and others have said things like… those people are in a cult,, please understand, it's equally said about you, and others like you. You know.. TDS.
That's why I have said things like… different world views, somebody has to win, etc…
This country is in a bad place and I believe, the future may look back and say… the civil war in the early 2000's was…
I have news for you, America will be America still in November regardless of who wins.
Sometimes you got to look in the mirror and call a spade a spade. You and others have no plan outside of this election. To even try and attempt to do legislatively what you say is important to you is takes 3-4 election cycles. Where's the plan to do that? Right now it's all about electing Trump, a guy who's ceiling is 46-48% of the national vote, who endorses candidates who have consistently lost, has driven out all moderate thinkers out of the Republican Party, and has installed his daughter at the RNC simply to fleece money out of it to pay for his legal bills instead of trying to get good people elected to office.
That's not TDS, that's just the truth. And when I write posts like this, others just personally attack the poster rather than what the poster is commenting on.
caryking said:You know Civ… your points above, regarding Trump, appear to me, just like the most recent narrative…Civilized said:Oldsouljer said:So? We've all violated the law in some fashion in the course of our lives. Illegal just isn't a thing anymore, especially with some of the made-up-from-thin-air drivel that Trump is being charged with.Civilized said:packgrad said:
Pay off his mistress and pay it off as a business expense!!!
lol.
Thats a reason to have TDS???
Your list explains how deranged you are.
What a joke.
It doesn't top the list of things about Trump that make him unfit but it is illegal.
Again, I already said the mistress payoff thing doesn't even really rate for me relative to the other behaviors of Trump that are profoundly unpresidential, likely illegal, and absolutely positively undemocratic. I'm sure lots of presidents have had mistresses, although few have had them as publicly as Trump or tried to pay them off as ineptly and embarrassingly as Trump.
"Illegal just isn't a thing anymore" when talking about an American President's behavior is laughable, but also fitting for where you need to be if you're going to support Trump.
No other presidents have had close-circle friends and advisers go to prison for obstructing justice in an investigation regarding their interfacing with a foreign adversary.
No other presidents have attempted to overturn the results of a free and fair American election.
No other presidents have encouraged and enabled anything remotely similar to whatever you want to call January 6.
These are the behaviors of Trump that are profoundly different from past American Presidents. These are the behaviors that make him unworthy and unfit to lead this nation.
Bloodbath
The media, in a concerted way, mislead the country in that word that is so unfortunate. For me, and most Trump supporters, see your points in the exact same way. Narratives shape the minds in many different ways. I'm sure mine has been shaped as well.
So, when you, and others have said things like… those people are in a cult,, please understand, it's equally said about you, and others like you. You know.. TDS.
That's why I have said things like… different world views, somebody has to win, etc…
This country is in a bad place and I believe, the future may look back and say… the civil war in the early 2000's was…
Thank You!hokiewolf said:
You have always been fair with your questions and responses
caryking said:I want to see NY take his properties. I think that might be the biggest backfire in history. Business people are watching closely…ncsupack1 said:
Speaking of Trump, is he going to be find the cash? I see he is having some trouble with getting a bond.
Bill Clinton! His associates didn't go to prison; rather, they just DIED!Civilized said:caryking said:You know Civ… your points above, regarding Trump, appear to me, just like the most recent narrative…Civilized said:Oldsouljer said:So? We've all violated the law in some fashion in the course of our lives. Illegal just isn't a thing anymore, especially with some of the made-up-from-thin-air drivel that Trump is being charged with.Civilized said:packgrad said:
Pay off his mistress and pay it off as a business expense!!!
lol.
Thats a reason to have TDS???
Your list explains how deranged you are.
What a joke.
It doesn't top the list of things about Trump that make him unfit but it is illegal.
Again, I already said the mistress payoff thing doesn't even really rate for me relative to the other behaviors of Trump that are profoundly unpresidential, likely illegal, and absolutely positively undemocratic. I'm sure lots of presidents have had mistresses, although few have had them as publicly as Trump or tried to pay them off as ineptly and embarrassingly as Trump.
"Illegal just isn't a thing anymore" when talking about an American President's behavior is laughable, but also fitting for where you need to be if you're going to support Trump.
No other presidents have had close-circle friends and advisers go to prison for obstructing justice in an investigation regarding their interfacing with a foreign adversary.
No other presidents have attempted to overturn the results of a free and fair American election.
No other presidents have encouraged and enabled anything remotely similar to whatever you want to call January 6.
These are the behaviors of Trump that are profoundly different from past American Presidents. These are the behaviors that make him unworthy and unfit to lead this nation.
Bloodbath
The media, in a concerted way, mislead the country in that word that is so unfortunate. For me, and most Trump supporters, see your points in the exact same way. Narratives shape the minds in many different ways. I'm sure mine has been shaped as well.
So, when you, and others have said things like… those people are in a cult,, please understand, it's equally said about you, and others like you. You know.. TDS.
That's why I have said things like… different world views, somebody has to win, etc…
This country is in a bad place and I believe, the future may look back and say… the civil war in the early 2000's was…
The 'narrative' bit is an excuse to avoid critical analysis of Trump's behavior.
Tell me about the other presidents who have had friends go to prison for obstructing investigations into their engagement with foreign adversaries.
Tell me about the other presidents that have pressured the VP and other state and federal elections officials to overturn election results, and had their cronies be convicted of crimes for their efforts.
Tell me about other presidents who have encouraged/enabled/stood silently by as our capital got ransacked.
Those aren't 'narratives'. They were events. They happened.
Even in the micro, you can't just say Trump's word choice and lack of ability to use the English language beyond an elementary-school level is the problem and instead want to talk about narratives and media bias.
Trump knows what he's doing with words like "bloodbath." It's the same **** he always does to catastrophize what will happen if he's not elected or is not allowed to behave however he wants.
Also, the civil war fetish continues to be so incredibly weird. There isn't going to be a civil war, metaphorically or literally. We're trying to elect a president and legislate necessary and healthy policy. For centuries now, around half of the country will be disappointed their choice for president isn't in the White House the next four years but they get over it and try to get their choice elected next time around. This country isn't going to expire if Biden gets re-elected.
The big question is, even if Trump is elected, what happens after that? He can't be president again after that. There is a quickly approaching time when Trump will not be at the center of the party. What's the plan for that eventuality?
So far, I don't see them as being smart; rather evil. Just look at the Fani Willis stuff in Fulton County.Ncsufist said:caryking said:I want to see NY take his properties. I think that might be the biggest backfire in history. Business people are watching closely…ncsupack1 said:
Speaking of Trump, is he going to be find the cash? I see he is having some trouble with getting a bond.
If she is smart she won't go after his property till he exhausts his appeals. Reason being he has a very good chance to win for excessive punishment/fine. And if she has allready taken his property the state will owe him for the property, any damages incurred to the property, as well as interest on the value of the property.
caryking said:You know Civ… your points above, regarding Trump, appear to me, just like the most recent narrative…Civilized said:Oldsouljer said:So? We've all violated the law in some fashion in the course of our lives. Illegal just isn't a thing anymore, especially with some of the made-up-from-thin-air drivel that Trump is being charged with.Civilized said:packgrad said:
Pay off his mistress and pay it off as a business expense!!!
lol.
Thats a reason to have TDS???
Your list explains how deranged you are.
What a joke.
It doesn't top the list of things about Trump that make him unfit but it is illegal.
Again, I already said the mistress payoff thing doesn't even really rate for me relative to the other behaviors of Trump that are profoundly unpresidential, likely illegal, and absolutely positively undemocratic. I'm sure lots of presidents have had mistresses, although few have had them as publicly as Trump or tried to pay them off as ineptly and embarrassingly as Trump.
"Illegal just isn't a thing anymore" when talking about an American President's behavior is laughable, but also fitting for where you need to be if you're going to support Trump.
No other presidents have had close-circle friends and advisers go to prison for obstructing justice in an investigation regarding their interfacing with a foreign adversary.
No other presidents have attempted to overturn the results of a free and fair American election.
No other presidents have encouraged and enabled anything remotely similar to whatever you want to call January 6.
These are the behaviors of Trump that are profoundly different from past American Presidents. These are the behaviors that make him unworthy and unfit to lead this nation.
Bloodbath
The media, in a concerted way, mislead the country in that word that is so unfortunate. For me, and most Trump supporters, see your points in the exact same way. Narratives shape the minds in many different ways. I'm sure mine has been shaped as well.
So, when you, and others have said things like… those people are in a cult,, please understand, it's equally said about you, and others like you. You know.. TDS.
That's why I have said things like… different world views, somebody has to win, etc…
This country is in a bad place and I believe, the future may look back and say… the civil war in the early 2000's was…
caryking said:Bill Clinton! His associates didn't go to prison; rather, they just DIED!Civilized said:caryking said:You know Civ… your points above, regarding Trump, appear to me, just like the most recent narrative…Civilized said:Oldsouljer said:So? We've all violated the law in some fashion in the course of our lives. Illegal just isn't a thing anymore, especially with some of the made-up-from-thin-air drivel that Trump is being charged with.Civilized said:packgrad said:
Pay off his mistress and pay it off as a business expense!!!
lol.
Thats a reason to have TDS???
Your list explains how deranged you are.
What a joke.
It doesn't top the list of things about Trump that make him unfit but it is illegal.
Again, I already said the mistress payoff thing doesn't even really rate for me relative to the other behaviors of Trump that are profoundly unpresidential, likely illegal, and absolutely positively undemocratic. I'm sure lots of presidents have had mistresses, although few have had them as publicly as Trump or tried to pay them off as ineptly and embarrassingly as Trump.
"Illegal just isn't a thing anymore" when talking about an American President's behavior is laughable, but also fitting for where you need to be if you're going to support Trump.
No other presidents have had close-circle friends and advisers go to prison for obstructing justice in an investigation regarding their interfacing with a foreign adversary.
No other presidents have attempted to overturn the results of a free and fair American election.
No other presidents have encouraged and enabled anything remotely similar to whatever you want to call January 6.
These are the behaviors of Trump that are profoundly different from past American Presidents. These are the behaviors that make him unworthy and unfit to lead this nation.
Bloodbath
The media, in a concerted way, mislead the country in that word that is so unfortunate. For me, and most Trump supporters, see your points in the exact same way. Narratives shape the minds in many different ways. I'm sure mine has been shaped as well.
So, when you, and others have said things like… those people are in a cult,, please understand, it's equally said about you, and others like you. You know.. TDS.
That's why I have said things like… different world views, somebody has to win, etc…
This country is in a bad place and I believe, the future may look back and say… the civil war in the early 2000's was…
The 'narrative' bit is an excuse to avoid critical analysis of Trump's behavior.
Tell me about the other presidents who have had friends go to prison for obstructing investigations into their engagement with foreign adversaries.
Tell me about the other presidents that have pressured the VP and other state and federal elections officials to overturn election results, and had their cronies be convicted of crimes for their efforts.
Tell me about other presidents who have encouraged/enabled/stood silently by as our capital got ransacked.
Those aren't 'narratives'. They were events. They happened.
Even in the micro, you can't just say Trump's word choice and lack of ability to use the English language beyond an elementary-school level is the problem and instead want to talk about narratives and media bias.
Trump knows what he's doing with words like "bloodbath." It's the same **** he always does to catastrophize what will happen if he's not elected or is not allowed to behave however he wants.
Also, the civil war fetish continues to be so incredibly weird. There isn't going to be a civil war, metaphorically or literally. We're trying to elect a president and legislate necessary and healthy policy. For centuries now, around half of the country will be disappointed their choice for president isn't in the White House the next four years but they get over it and try to get their choice elected next time around. This country isn't going to expire if Biden gets re-elected.
The big question is, even if Trump is elected, what happens after that? He can't be president again after that. There is a quickly approaching time when Trump will not be at the center of the party. What's the plan for that eventuality?
Civ, I respect your opinion; although, I vehemently disagree with you. Regarding Trump and afterwords... I don't want him to be President forever. I want a more Conservative/Libertarian President. More like a Rand Paul type.
BTW, what's the plan for the Democratic Party? The bench over there is extremely weak, as far as I can see. Please, don't even say Gavin Newsome... People are leaving States like that for a reason...
Wufskins said:caryking said:You know Civ… your points above, regarding Trump, appear to me, just like the most recent narrative…Civilized said:Oldsouljer said:So? We've all violated the law in some fashion in the course of our lives. Illegal just isn't a thing anymore, especially with some of the made-up-from-thin-air drivel that Trump is being charged with.Civilized said:packgrad said:
Pay off his mistress and pay it off as a business expense!!!
lol.
Thats a reason to have TDS???
Your list explains how deranged you are.
What a joke.
It doesn't top the list of things about Trump that make him unfit but it is illegal.
Again, I already said the mistress payoff thing doesn't even really rate for me relative to the other behaviors of Trump that are profoundly unpresidential, likely illegal, and absolutely positively undemocratic. I'm sure lots of presidents have had mistresses, although few have had them as publicly as Trump or tried to pay them off as ineptly and embarrassingly as Trump.
"Illegal just isn't a thing anymore" when talking about an American President's behavior is laughable, but also fitting for where you need to be if you're going to support Trump.
No other presidents have had close-circle friends and advisers go to prison for obstructing justice in an investigation regarding their interfacing with a foreign adversary.
No other presidents have attempted to overturn the results of a free and fair American election.
No other presidents have encouraged and enabled anything remotely similar to whatever you want to call January 6.
These are the behaviors of Trump that are profoundly different from past American Presidents. These are the behaviors that make him unworthy and unfit to lead this nation.
Bloodbath
The media, in a concerted way, mislead the country in that word that is so unfortunate. For me, and most Trump supporters, see your points in the exact same way. Narratives shape the minds in many different ways. I'm sure mine has been shaped as well.
So, when you, and others have said things like… those people are in a cult,, please understand, it's equally said about you, and others like you. You know.. TDS.
That's why I have said things like… different world views, somebody has to win, etc…
This country is in a bad place and I believe, the future may look back and say… the civil war in the early 2000's was…
How about the narrative that Trump and his minions are describing the criminals from Jan 6 as hostages? How does that square with actual American hostages in Gaza? Do you share the same sentiment wrt to people convicted and/or plead guilty as hostages?
Civilized said:caryking said:Bill Clinton! His associates didn't go to prison; rather, they just DIED!Civilized said:caryking said:You know Civ… your points above, regarding Trump, appear to me, just like the most recent narrative…Civilized said:Oldsouljer said:So? We've all violated the law in some fashion in the course of our lives. Illegal just isn't a thing anymore, especially with some of the made-up-from-thin-air drivel that Trump is being charged with.Civilized said:packgrad said:
Pay off his mistress and pay it off as a business expense!!!
lol.
Thats a reason to have TDS???
Your list explains how deranged you are.
What a joke.
It doesn't top the list of things about Trump that make him unfit but it is illegal.
Again, I already said the mistress payoff thing doesn't even really rate for me relative to the other behaviors of Trump that are profoundly unpresidential, likely illegal, and absolutely positively undemocratic. I'm sure lots of presidents have had mistresses, although few have had them as publicly as Trump or tried to pay them off as ineptly and embarrassingly as Trump.
"Illegal just isn't a thing anymore" when talking about an American President's behavior is laughable, but also fitting for where you need to be if you're going to support Trump.
No other presidents have had close-circle friends and advisers go to prison for obstructing justice in an investigation regarding their interfacing with a foreign adversary.
No other presidents have attempted to overturn the results of a free and fair American election.
No other presidents have encouraged and enabled anything remotely similar to whatever you want to call January 6.
These are the behaviors of Trump that are profoundly different from past American Presidents. These are the behaviors that make him unworthy and unfit to lead this nation.
Bloodbath
The media, in a concerted way, mislead the country in that word that is so unfortunate. For me, and most Trump supporters, see your points in the exact same way. Narratives shape the minds in many different ways. I'm sure mine has been shaped as well.
So, when you, and others have said things like… those people are in a cult,, please understand, it's equally said about you, and others like you. You know.. TDS.
That's why I have said things like… different world views, somebody has to win, etc…
This country is in a bad place and I believe, the future may look back and say… the civil war in the early 2000's was…
The 'narrative' bit is an excuse to avoid critical analysis of Trump's behavior.
Tell me about the other presidents who have had friends go to prison for obstructing investigations into their engagement with foreign adversaries.
Tell me about the other presidents that have pressured the VP and other state and federal elections officials to overturn election results, and had their cronies be convicted of crimes for their efforts.
Tell me about other presidents who have encouraged/enabled/stood silently by as our capital got ransacked.
Those aren't 'narratives'. They were events. They happened.
Even in the micro, you can't just say Trump's word choice and lack of ability to use the English language beyond an elementary-school level is the problem and instead want to talk about narratives and media bias.
Trump knows what he's doing with words like "bloodbath." It's the same **** he always does to catastrophize what will happen if he's not elected or is not allowed to behave however he wants.
Also, the civil war fetish continues to be so incredibly weird. There isn't going to be a civil war, metaphorically or literally. We're trying to elect a president and legislate necessary and healthy policy. For centuries now, around half of the country will be disappointed their choice for president isn't in the White House the next four years but they get over it and try to get their choice elected next time around. This country isn't going to expire if Biden gets re-elected.
The big question is, even if Trump is elected, what happens after that? He can't be president again after that. There is a quickly approaching time when Trump will not be at the center of the party. What's the plan for that eventuality?
Civ, I respect your opinion; although, I vehemently disagree with you. Regarding Trump and afterwords... I don't want him to be President forever. I want a more Conservative/Libertarian President. More like a Rand Paul type.
BTW, what's the plan for the Democratic Party? The bench over there is extremely weak, as far as I can see. Please, don't even say Gavin Newsome... People are leaving States like that for a reason...
Bill Clinton...what? He was a cockhound. I don't try to defend his sexual conduct and/or misconduct.
What else? Whitewater? The FBI investigated, Ken Starr investigated. They never found conduct by the Clintons that was illegal.
Look forward to a normal conservative/libertarian candidate for Pubs in 2028. I have every expectation MAGA will again not learn from their past mistakes and electoral losses, and go small-tent and promote DeSantis and Ramaswamy, two more candidates that may well not pull in independents and moderate Republicans. DeSantis and Ramaswamy have Trump's smarm without his rock-star appeal.
Dems need to spend the next 2-3 years on some serious candidate development for 2028. No arguments there.
caryking said:Wufskins said:caryking said:You know Civ… your points above, regarding Trump, appear to me, just like the most recent narrative…Civilized said:Oldsouljer said:So? We've all violated the law in some fashion in the course of our lives. Illegal just isn't a thing anymore, especially with some of the made-up-from-thin-air drivel that Trump is being charged with.Civilized said:packgrad said:
Pay off his mistress and pay it off as a business expense!!!
lol.
Thats a reason to have TDS???
Your list explains how deranged you are.
What a joke.
It doesn't top the list of things about Trump that make him unfit but it is illegal.
Again, I already said the mistress payoff thing doesn't even really rate for me relative to the other behaviors of Trump that are profoundly unpresidential, likely illegal, and absolutely positively undemocratic. I'm sure lots of presidents have had mistresses, although few have had them as publicly as Trump or tried to pay them off as ineptly and embarrassingly as Trump.
"Illegal just isn't a thing anymore" when talking about an American President's behavior is laughable, but also fitting for where you need to be if you're going to support Trump.
No other presidents have had close-circle friends and advisers go to prison for obstructing justice in an investigation regarding their interfacing with a foreign adversary.
No other presidents have attempted to overturn the results of a free and fair American election.
No other presidents have encouraged and enabled anything remotely similar to whatever you want to call January 6.
These are the behaviors of Trump that are profoundly different from past American Presidents. These are the behaviors that make him unworthy and unfit to lead this nation.
Bloodbath
The media, in a concerted way, mislead the country in that word that is so unfortunate. For me, and most Trump supporters, see your points in the exact same way. Narratives shape the minds in many different ways. I'm sure mine has been shaped as well.
So, when you, and others have said things like… those people are in a cult,, please understand, it's equally said about you, and others like you. You know.. TDS.
That's why I have said things like… different world views, somebody has to win, etc…
This country is in a bad place and I believe, the future may look back and say… the civil war in the early 2000's was…
How about the narrative that Trump and his minions are describing the criminals from Jan 6 as hostages? How does that square with actual American hostages in Gaza? Do you share the same sentiment wrt to people convicted and/or plead guilty as hostages?
I don't know of a single person that did any damages, on Jan 6th, that has any support from me or people like me. Now, people who are sitting in jail, without a trial, is a real problem for me and hopefully most people.
These are US Citizens and should receive their due process…. So, what else can they be? Hostages is the words being used. What else would you call those people?
caryking said:
Consider that you and I do not know the case of every single person, held in Jail... Now, consider the US Constitution recognizing everyone's individual right. That's far more important than anything else. If the person hasn't been brought to trial, then they need to, immediately!
The prsidence being set will backfire at some point, and you will have a different opinion. Be careful what you ask for, is my thought...
She isn't exactly impartial. Should have never been confirmed as a judge to begin with for her serious lack of qualifications.caryking said:
Well, this one may cause some unpleasant feelings...
https://www.yahoo.com/news/mar-lago-judge-stark-ruling-022208652.html
LOL....Steven1974 said:She isn't exactly impartial. Should have never been confirmed as a judge to begin with for her serious lack of qualifications.caryking said:
Well, this one may cause some unpleasant feelings...
https://www.yahoo.com/news/mar-lago-judge-stark-ruling-022208652.html
From one story: given "that she's had two decisions reversed in scathing opinions by a conservative 11th Circuit Court, including, by the way, judges appointed by Donald Trump.
Then another story: Judge Aileen Cannon made two critical errors in a June trial, citing legal experts and a court transcript, with one of her missteps violating a fundamental constitutional right of the defendant, which could have invalidated the proceedings.
Cannon closed the courtroom during jury selection for the June trial of an Alabama man, whom federal prosecutors accused of running a website with images of child sex abuse, to the defendant's family and the general public, according to a trial transcript obtained by the outlet. Though Cannon cited space restrictions in her small courtroom in the Fort Pierce federal courthouse, the Sixth Amendment guarantees a defendant's right to a public trial.
The 42-year-old judge also failed to swear in the prospective jury pool, an error that forced her to restart jury selection.
This is the most horrifying thing I've ever heard from a Supreme Court Justice.
— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) March 18, 2024
Ketanji Brown-Jackson is concerned that the First Amendment is making it harder for the government to censor speech.
That's literally the entire point.pic.twitter.com/oqBwVZQB0l
But, but, they're insurrectionists. You can't allow them to go free. You can't even allow them to have a fair trial. In order to save Democracy you must cast off all the trappings of democracy and the idea of individual rights. Thankfully Gitmo has been mostly emptied so it can become their new home. Then, maybe, after years of deprivation and re-education they can be brought back to the mainland to serve.caryking said:
Consider that you and I do not know the case of every single person, held in Jail... Now, consider the US Constitution recognizing everyone's individual right. That's far more important than anything else. If the person hasn't been brought to trial, then they need to, immediately!
The prsidence being set will backfire at some point, and you will have a different opinion. Be careful what you ask for, is my thought...
Most, if not all, were whites......and you know that whites are horrible and must be erased from history.barelypure said:But, but, they're insurrectionists. You can't allow them to go free. You can't even allow them to have a fair trial. In order to save Democracy you must cast off all the trappings of democracy and the idea of individual rights. Thankfully Gitmo has been mostly emptied so it can become their new home. Then, maybe, after years of deprivation and re-education they can be brought back to the mainland to serve.caryking said:
Consider that you and I do not know the case of every single person, held in Jail... Now, consider the US Constitution recognizing everyone's individual right. That's far more important than anything else. If the person hasn't been brought to trial, then they need to, immediately!
The prsidence being set will backfire at some point, and you will have a different opinion. Be careful what you ask for, is my thought...
I mean all these overweight grandma tourist lookie-lous who thought walking around the Capitol taking selfies to show their grandkids, why they almost overthrew this great nation without even firing a shot. We can't allow them to be free, why they might just vote the wrong way. No, they're better off where they are. In dark, damp cells with barely enough putrid food to sustain life and besides they needed to lose some weight anyway. The daily beatings from the government jack booted thugs hopefully shows them the error of their ways.
When or perhaps if they ever see the light of day again you can be assured they'll be good little Democrat voters. Not only that but in fear of being once again thrown into the darkness they'll rat out those who step out of line. It is the way. It is the future. Resistance is futile.
barelypure said:But, but, they're insurrectionists. You can't allow them to go free. You can't even allow them to have a fair trial. In order to save Democracy you must cast off all the trappings of democracy and the idea of individual rights. Thankfully Gitmo has been mostly emptied so it can become their new home. Then, maybe, after years of deprivation and re-education they can be brought back to the mainland to serve.caryking said:
Consider that you and I do not know the case of every single person, held in Jail... Now, consider the US Constitution recognizing everyone's individual right. That's far more important than anything else. If the person hasn't been brought to trial, then they need to, immediately!
The prsidence being set will backfire at some point, and you will have a different opinion. Be careful what you ask for, is my thought...
I mean all these overweight grandma tourist lookie-lous who thought walking around the Capitol taking selfies to show their grandkids, why they almost overthrew this great nation without even firing a shot. We can't allow them to be free, why they might just vote the wrong way. No, they're better off where they are. In dark, damp cells with barely enough putrid food to sustain life and besides they needed to lose some weight anyway. The daily beatings from the government jack booted thugs hopefully shows them the error of their ways.
When or perhaps if they ever see the light of day again you can be assured they'll be good little Democrat voters. Not only that but in fear of being once again thrown into the darkness they'll rat out those who step out of line. It is the way. It is the future. Resistance is futile.
Wufskins said:barelypure said:But, but, they're insurrectionists. You can't allow them to go free. You can't even allow them to have a fair trial. In order to save Democracy you must cast off all the trappings of democracy and the idea of individual rights. Thankfully Gitmo has been mostly emptied so it can become their new home. Then, maybe, after years of deprivation and re-education they can be brought back to the mainland to serve.caryking said:
Consider that you and I do not know the case of every single person, held in Jail... Now, consider the US Constitution recognizing everyone's individual right. That's far more important than anything else. If the person hasn't been brought to trial, then they need to, immediately!
The prsidence being set will backfire at some point, and you will have a different opinion. Be careful what you ask for, is my thought...
I mean all these overweight grandma tourist lookie-lous who thought walking around the Capitol taking selfies to show their grandkids, why they almost overthrew this great nation without even firing a shot. We can't allow them to be free, why they might just vote the wrong way. No, they're better off where they are. In dark, damp cells with barely enough putrid food to sustain life and besides they needed to lose some weight anyway. The daily beatings from the government jack booted thugs hopefully shows them the error of their ways.
When or perhaps if they ever see the light of day again you can be assured they'll be good little Democrat voters. Not only that but in fear of being once again thrown into the darkness they'll rat out those who step out of line. It is the way. It is the future. Resistance is futile.
You forgot to mention the grandmas and their posters. You out of pre***en again?
Perhaps this article will shed some light on those "hostages."
https://thedispatch.com/article/fact-checking-vivek-ramaswamys-claims-about-january-6-defendants/
So your linked article says "10,000 protesters were arrested nationwide". Yet it only mentions that 2 went to prison for torching a police vehicle. It goes on to say "hundreds were arrested on burglary, looting, and assault charges." So out of the thousands arrested it doesn't say what the disposition was for them. Not even for the hundreds arrested for burglary, looting, and assault charges.Wufskins said:barelypure said:But, but, they're insurrectionists. You can't allow them to go free. You can't even allow them to have a fair trial. In order to save Democracy you must cast off all the trappings of democracy and the idea of individual rights. Thankfully Gitmo has been mostly emptied so it can become their new home. Then, maybe, after years of deprivation and re-education they can be brought back to the mainland to serve.caryking said:
Consider that you and I do not know the case of every single person, held in Jail... Now, consider the US Constitution recognizing everyone's individual right. That's far more important than anything else. If the person hasn't been brought to trial, then they need to, immediately!
The prsidence being set will backfire at some point, and you will have a different opinion. Be careful what you ask for, is my thought...
I mean all these overweight grandma tourist lookie-lous who thought walking around the Capitol taking selfies to show their grandkids, why they almost overthrew this great nation without even firing a shot. We can't allow them to be free, why they might just vote the wrong way. No, they're better off where they are. In dark, damp cells with barely enough putrid food to sustain life and besides they needed to lose some weight anyway. The daily beatings from the government jack booted thugs hopefully shows them the error of their ways.
When or perhaps if they ever see the light of day again you can be assured they'll be good little Democrat voters. Not only that but in fear of being once again thrown into the darkness they'll rat out those who step out of line. It is the way. It is the future. Resistance is futile.
You forgot to mention the grandmas and their posters. You out of pre***en again?
Perhaps this article will shed some light on those "hostages."
https://thedispatch.com/article/fact-checking-vivek-ramaswamys-claims-about-january-6-defendants/
barelypure said:So your linked article says "10,000 protesters were arrested nationwide". Yet it only mentions that 2 went to prison for torching a police vehicle. It goes on to say "hundreds were arrested on burglary, looting, and assault charges." So out of the thousands arrested it doesn't say what the disposition was for them. Not even for the hundreds arrested for burglary, looting, and assault charges.Wufskins said:barelypure said:But, but, they're insurrectionists. You can't allow them to go free. You can't even allow them to have a fair trial. In order to save Democracy you must cast off all the trappings of democracy and the idea of individual rights. Thankfully Gitmo has been mostly emptied so it can become their new home. Then, maybe, after years of deprivation and re-education they can be brought back to the mainland to serve.caryking said:
Consider that you and I do not know the case of every single person, held in Jail... Now, consider the US Constitution recognizing everyone's individual right. That's far more important than anything else. If the person hasn't been brought to trial, then they need to, immediately!
The prsidence being set will backfire at some point, and you will have a different opinion. Be careful what you ask for, is my thought...
I mean all these overweight grandma tourist lookie-lous who thought walking around the Capitol taking selfies to show their grandkids, why they almost overthrew this great nation without even firing a shot. We can't allow them to be free, why they might just vote the wrong way. No, they're better off where they are. In dark, damp cells with barely enough putrid food to sustain life and besides they needed to lose some weight anyway. The daily beatings from the government jack booted thugs hopefully shows them the error of their ways.
When or perhaps if they ever see the light of day again you can be assured they'll be good little Democrat voters. Not only that but in fear of being once again thrown into the darkness they'll rat out those who step out of line. It is the way. It is the future. Resistance is futile.
You forgot to mention the grandmas and their posters. You out of pre***en again?
Perhaps this article will shed some light on those "hostages."
https://thedispatch.com/article/fact-checking-vivek-ramaswamys-claims-about-january-6-defendants/
So let's compare. https://www.policemag.com/patrol/article/15310543/after-action-reports-on-the-riots-of-2020
8,700 total protest events. 3,692 involved unlawful acts of civil disobedience. 2,385 incidents of looting and 624 incidents of arson, including 97 police vehicles burned. More than 2,035 law enforcement officers were injured.
16,241 protesters and rioters were arrested from May 25 to July 31. Nearly 17% of these arrests were for felonies and 7% of the total involved violence. Many of the cases were quickly dismissed, which may explain why 52% of the reporting agencies said they arrested the same people twice for "protest-related crimes."
Oh, and not to be The Grammar Nazi, it's Prevagen not pre***en. But then with all else that you got wrong that's inconsequential in the over all scheme of things.
I don't know… are they?Wufskins said:barelypure said:So your linked article says "10,000 protesters were arrested nationwide". Yet it only mentions that 2 went to prison for torching a police vehicle. It goes on to say "hundreds were arrested on burglary, looting, and assault charges." So out of the thousands arrested it doesn't say what the disposition was for them. Not even for the hundreds arrested for burglary, looting, and assault charges.Wufskins said:barelypure said:But, but, they're insurrectionists. You can't allow them to go free. You can't even allow them to have a fair trial. In order to save Democracy you must cast off all the trappings of democracy and the idea of individual rights. Thankfully Gitmo has been mostly emptied so it can become their new home. Then, maybe, after years of deprivation and re-education they can be brought back to the mainland to serve.caryking said:
Consider that you and I do not know the case of every single person, held in Jail... Now, consider the US Constitution recognizing everyone's individual right. That's far more important than anything else. If the person hasn't been brought to trial, then they need to, immediately!
The prsidence being set will backfire at some point, and you will have a different opinion. Be careful what you ask for, is my thought...
I mean all these overweight grandma tourist lookie-lous who thought walking around the Capitol taking selfies to show their grandkids, why they almost overthrew this great nation without even firing a shot. We can't allow them to be free, why they might just vote the wrong way. No, they're better off where they are. In dark, damp cells with barely enough putrid food to sustain life and besides they needed to lose some weight anyway. The daily beatings from the government jack booted thugs hopefully shows them the error of their ways.
When or perhaps if they ever see the light of day again you can be assured they'll be good little Democrat voters. Not only that but in fear of being once again thrown into the darkness they'll rat out those who step out of line. It is the way. It is the future. Resistance is futile.
You forgot to mention the grandmas and their posters. You out of pre***en again?
Perhaps this article will shed some light on those "hostages."
https://thedispatch.com/article/fact-checking-vivek-ramaswamys-claims-about-january-6-defendants/
So let's compare. https://www.policemag.com/patrol/article/15310543/after-action-reports-on-the-riots-of-2020
8,700 total protest events. 3,692 involved unlawful acts of civil disobedience. 2,385 incidents of looting and 624 incidents of arson, including 97 police vehicles burned. More than 2,035 law enforcement officers were injured.
16,241 protesters and rioters were arrested from May 25 to July 31. Nearly 17% of these arrests were for felonies and 7% of the total involved violence. Many of the cases were quickly dismissed, which may explain why 52% of the reporting agencies said they arrested the same people twice for "protest-related crimes."
Oh, and not to be The Grammar Nazi, it's Prevagen not pre***en. But then with all else that you got wrong that's inconsequential in the over all scheme of things.
You still think the grandma selfie takers are being held without bail? Is that your opinion?
caryking said:I don't know… are they?Wufskins said:barelypure said:So your linked article says "10,000 protesters were arrested nationwide". Yet it only mentions that 2 went to prison for torching a police vehicle. It goes on to say "hundreds were arrested on burglary, looting, and assault charges." So out of the thousands arrested it doesn't say what the disposition was for them. Not even for the hundreds arrested for burglary, looting, and assault charges.Wufskins said:barelypure said:But, but, they're insurrectionists. You can't allow them to go free. You can't even allow them to have a fair trial. In order to save Democracy you must cast off all the trappings of democracy and the idea of individual rights. Thankfully Gitmo has been mostly emptied so it can become their new home. Then, maybe, after years of deprivation and re-education they can be brought back to the mainland to serve.caryking said:
Consider that you and I do not know the case of every single person, held in Jail... Now, consider the US Constitution recognizing everyone's individual right. That's far more important than anything else. If the person hasn't been brought to trial, then they need to, immediately!
The prsidence being set will backfire at some point, and you will have a different opinion. Be careful what you ask for, is my thought...
I mean all these overweight grandma tourist lookie-lous who thought walking around the Capitol taking selfies to show their grandkids, why they almost overthrew this great nation without even firing a shot. We can't allow them to be free, why they might just vote the wrong way. No, they're better off where they are. In dark, damp cells with barely enough putrid food to sustain life and besides they needed to lose some weight anyway. The daily beatings from the government jack booted thugs hopefully shows them the error of their ways.
When or perhaps if they ever see the light of day again you can be assured they'll be good little Democrat voters. Not only that but in fear of being once again thrown into the darkness they'll rat out those who step out of line. It is the way. It is the future. Resistance is futile.
You forgot to mention the grandmas and their posters. You out of pre***en again?
Perhaps this article will shed some light on those "hostages."
https://thedispatch.com/article/fact-checking-vivek-ramaswamys-claims-about-january-6-defendants/
So let's compare. https://www.policemag.com/patrol/article/15310543/after-action-reports-on-the-riots-of-2020
8,700 total protest events. 3,692 involved unlawful acts of civil disobedience. 2,385 incidents of looting and 624 incidents of arson, including 97 police vehicles burned. More than 2,035 law enforcement officers were injured.
16,241 protesters and rioters were arrested from May 25 to July 31. Nearly 17% of these arrests were for felonies and 7% of the total involved violence. Many of the cases were quickly dismissed, which may explain why 52% of the reporting agencies said they arrested the same people twice for "protest-related crimes."
Oh, and not to be The Grammar Nazi, it's Prevagen not pre***en. But then with all else that you got wrong that's inconsequential in the over all scheme of things.
You still think the grandma selfie takers are being held without bail? Is that your opinion?
Ncsufist said:
Also don't forget that a court has found that some of the cases that went to trial were illegal due to selective prosecution and thrown out.
You mean selective prosecution......Civilized said:Ncsufist said:
Also don't forget that a court has found that some of the cases that went to trial were illegal due to selective prosecution and thrown out.
So we trust courts to decide which of the cases should be tried, but we don't trust them to decide which defendants should be out on bail?
BBW12OG said:You mean selective prosecution......Civilized said:Ncsufist said:
Also don't forget that a court has found that some of the cases that went to trial were illegal due to selective prosecution and thrown out.
So we trust courts to decide which of the cases should be tried, but we don't trust them to decide which defendants should be out on bail?
Yeah... that never happens in the United States when dumbocrats are in charge...
Wasn't Eric Holder held in contempt of congress? How much time did he spend jail?
Wasn't Alexander Mayorkas impeached by cogress? Has Crying Chuck begun the impeachment process?
I can go all day on this. You are a damn fool if you think that the justice system is fair and equal when it comest to Conservatives vs. libtards.
