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caryking said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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I read a comment on X this morning from a DC insider who said that the Senate GOP caucus was rebelling against McConnell and that rebellion was gaining momentum, hence, McConnell saw the handwriting on the wall.

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I certainly hope that's true. The established Republicans need to get in line or move on... It's my opinion, they are as dangerous as most Dems.

First off: our deficits are a staggering number in perpetuity... We will probably never make a dent in our debt; so, let's at least not continue to run deficits that add to the debt. 1T in debt service is not a healthy place to be!

I know some will disagree with deficits and/or debts being at an alarming place; well, we will just have to disagree.

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Your preferred candidate doesn't want to do anything with entitlement spending.

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1T in debt service is a lot!!! How much are we over paying in entitlements?

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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I read a comment on X this morning from a DC insider who said that the Senate GOP caucus was rebelling against McConnell and that rebellion was gaining momentum, hence, McConnell saw the handwriting on the wall.

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I certainly hope that's true. The established Republicans need to get in line or move on... It's my opinion, they are as dangerous as most Dems.

First off: our deficits are a staggering number in perpetuity... We will probably never make a dent in our debt; so, let's at least not continue to run deficits that add to the debt. 1T in debt service is not a healthy place to be!

I know some will disagree with deficits and/or debts being at an alarming place; well, we will just have to disagree.

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Your preferred candidate doesn't want to do anything with entitlement spending.

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1T in debt service is a lot!!! How much are we over paying in entitlements?

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entitlements are what is leading to the deficits in the budget and the ballooning of debt service.

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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I read a comment on X this morning from a DC insider who said that the Senate GOP caucus was rebelling against McConnell and that rebellion was gaining momentum, hence, McConnell saw the handwriting on the wall.

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I certainly hope that's true. The established Republicans need to get in line or move on... It's my opinion, they are as dangerous as most Dems.

First off: our deficits are a staggering number in perpetuity... We will probably never make a dent in our debt; so, let's at least not continue to run deficits that add to the debt. 1T in debt service is not a healthy place to be!

I know some will disagree with deficits and/or debts being at an alarming place; well, we will just have to disagree.

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Your preferred candidate doesn't want to do anything with entitlement spending.

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1T in debt service is a lot!!! How much are we over paying in entitlements?

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entitlements are what is leading to the deficits in the budget and the ballooning of debt service.

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Hokie, with all due respect, that's just not true, right now. Entitlements are going to be a problem in the future; however, not right now..

Remember, during the COVID years, we really never slowed down some of the balloon spending, we were doing. It's almost as if it's baked into the numbers now.

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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I read a comment on X this morning from a DC insider who said that the Senate GOP caucus was rebelling against McConnell and that rebellion was gaining momentum, hence, McConnell saw the handwriting on the wall.

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I certainly hope that's true. The established Republicans need to get in line or move on... It's my opinion, they are as dangerous as most Dems.

First off: our deficits are a staggering number in perpetuity... We will probably never make a dent in our debt; so, let's at least not continue to run deficits that add to the debt. 1T in debt service is not a healthy place to be!

I know some will disagree with deficits and/or debts being at an alarming place; well, we will just have to disagree.

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Your preferred candidate doesn't want to do anything with entitlement spending.

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1T in debt service is a lot!!! How much are we over paying in entitlements?

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entitlements are what is leading to the deficits in the budget and the ballooning of debt service.

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Hokie, with all due respect, that's just not true, right now. Entitlements are going to be a problem in the future; however, not right now..

Remember, during the COVID years, we really never slowed down some of the balloon spending, we were doing. It's almost as if it's baked into the numbers now.

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that's a rounding error compared to entitlement spending over the next ten years. You boomers have screwed us Cary! Lol

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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I read a comment on X this morning from a DC insider who said that the Senate GOP caucus was rebelling against McConnell and that rebellion was gaining momentum, hence, McConnell saw the handwriting on the wall.

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I certainly hope that's true. The established Republicans need to get in line or move on... It's my opinion, they are as dangerous as most Dems.

First off: our deficits are a staggering number in perpetuity... We will probably never make a dent in our debt; so, let's at least not continue to run deficits that add to the debt. 1T in debt service is not a healthy place to be!

I know some will disagree with deficits and/or debts being at an alarming place; well, we will just have to disagree.

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Your preferred candidate doesn't want to do anything with entitlement spending.

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1T in debt service is a lot!!! How much are we over paying in entitlements?

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entitlements are what is leading to the deficits in the budget and the ballooning of debt service.

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Hokie, with all due respect, that's just not true, right now. Entitlements are going to be a problem in the future; however, not right now..

Remember, during the COVID years, we really never slowed down some of the balloon spending, we were doing. It's almost as if it's baked into the numbers now.

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that's a rounding error compared to entitlement spending over the next ten years. You boomers have screwed us Cary! Lol

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Cut off all of the Water Cooler fogies' Social Security checks, and dump them off of Medicare. For the country!!!

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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I read a comment on X this morning from a DC insider who said that the Senate GOP caucus was rebelling against McConnell and that rebellion was gaining momentum, hence, McConnell saw the handwriting on the wall.

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I certainly hope that's true. The established Republicans need to get in line or move on... It's my opinion, they are as dangerous as most Dems.

First off: our deficits are a staggering number in perpetuity... We will probably never make a dent in our debt; so, let's at least not continue to run deficits that add to the debt. 1T in debt service is not a healthy place to be!

I know some will disagree with deficits and/or debts being at an alarming place; well, we will just have to disagree.

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Your preferred candidate doesn't want to do anything with entitlement spending.

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1T in debt service is a lot!!! How much are we over paying in entitlements?

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entitlements are what is leading to the deficits in the budget and the ballooning of debt service.

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Hokie, with all due respect, that's just not true, right now. Entitlements are going to be a problem in the future; however, not right now..

Remember, during the COVID years, we really never slowed down some of the balloon spending, we were doing. It's almost as if it's baked into the numbers now.

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that's a rounding error compared to entitlement spending over the next ten years. You boomers have screwed us Cary! Lol

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58 in March. I'm a borderline problem person. Yes, I agree.. entitlement spending will get out of control real soon. Theirs no doubt about it. That said, entitlement spending and servicing the debt is probably about the same size, plus add in another 1T for defense and we are spending a ton of money…

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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I read a comment on X this morning from a DC insider who said that the Senate GOP caucus was rebelling against McConnell and that rebellion was gaining momentum, hence, McConnell saw the handwriting on the wall.

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I certainly hope that's true. The established Republicans need to get in line or move on... It's my opinion, they are as dangerous as most Dems.

First off: our deficits are a staggering number in perpetuity... We will probably never make a dent in our debt; so, let's at least not continue to run deficits that add to the debt. 1T in debt service is not a healthy place to be!

I know some will disagree with deficits and/or debts being at an alarming place; well, we will just have to disagree.

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Your preferred candidate doesn't want to do anything with entitlement spending.

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1T in debt service is a lot!!! How much are we over paying in entitlements?

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entitlements are what is leading to the deficits in the budget and the ballooning of debt service.

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I've gotta agree with hokie here, it's definitely a problem.

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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I read a comment on X this morning from a DC insider who said that the Senate GOP caucus was rebelling against McConnell and that rebellion was gaining momentum, hence, McConnell saw the handwriting on the wall.

---

I certainly hope that's true. The established Republicans need to get in line or move on... It's my opinion, they are as dangerous as most Dems.

First off: our deficits are a staggering number in perpetuity... We will probably never make a dent in our debt; so, let's at least not continue to run deficits that add to the debt. 1T in debt service is not a healthy place to be!

I know some will disagree with deficits and/or debts being at an alarming place; well, we will just have to disagree.

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Your preferred candidate doesn't want to do anything with entitlement spending.

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1T in debt service is a lot!!! How much are we over paying in entitlements?

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entitlements are what is leading to the deficits in the budget and the ballooning of debt service.

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I've gotta agree with hokie here, it's definitely a problem.

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The problem is that since these "entitlements" (which are actually "earned benefits") have existed conservatives have wanted to get rid of them, so for decades they've gutted taxes while spiking the deficit in an effort to starve them to death.

If it's such a huge problem, maybe stop doing that?

caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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I read a comment on X this morning from a DC insider who said that the Senate GOP caucus was rebelling against McConnell and that rebellion was gaining momentum, hence, McConnell saw the handwriting on the wall.

---

I certainly hope that's true. The established Republicans need to get in line or move on... It's my opinion, they are as dangerous as most Dems.

First off: our deficits are a staggering number in perpetuity... We will probably never make a dent in our debt; so, let's at least not continue to run deficits that add to the debt. 1T in debt service is not a healthy place to be!

I know some will disagree with deficits and/or debts being at an alarming place; well, we will just have to disagree.

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Your preferred candidate doesn't want to do anything with entitlement spending.

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1T in debt service is a lot!!! How much are we over paying in entitlements?

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entitlements are what is leading to the deficits in the budget and the ballooning of debt service.

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Hokie, with all due respect, that's just not true, right now. Entitlements are going to be a problem in the future; however, not right now..

Remember, during the COVID years, we really never slowed down some of the balloon spending, we were doing. It's almost as if it's baked into the numbers now.

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Before this conversation goes any further, I think it best to have a consensus on the definition of "entitlement".

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jkpackfan said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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I read a comment on X this morning from a DC insider who said that the Senate GOP caucus was rebelling against McConnell and that rebellion was gaining momentum, hence, McConnell saw the handwriting on the wall.

---

I certainly hope that's true. The established Republicans need to get in line or move on... It's my opinion, they are as dangerous as most Dems.

First off: our deficits are a staggering number in perpetuity... We will probably never make a dent in our debt; so, let's at least not continue to run deficits that add to the debt. 1T in debt service is not a healthy place to be!

I know some will disagree with deficits and/or debts being at an alarming place; well, we will just have to disagree.

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Your preferred candidate doesn't want to do anything with entitlement spending.

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1T in debt service is a lot!!! How much are we over paying in entitlements?

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entitlements are what is leading to the deficits in the budget and the ballooning of debt service.

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I've gotta agree with hokie here, it's definitely a problem.

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The problem is that since these "entitlements" (which are actually "earned benefits") have existed conservatives have wanted to get rid of them, so for decades they've gutted taxes while spiking the deficit in an effort to starve them to death.

If it's such a huge problem, maybe stop doing that?

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no, the issue is that there aren't enough people in Gen X to mooch off of to get to the next generation. So, to keep benefits the same, you're going to have to double the tax rate on all tax brackets.

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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I read a comment on X this morning from a DC insider who said that the Senate GOP caucus was rebelling against McConnell and that rebellion was gaining momentum, hence, McConnell saw the handwriting on the wall.

---

I certainly hope that's true. The established Republicans need to get in line or move on... It's my opinion, they are as dangerous as most Dems.

First off: our deficits are a staggering number in perpetuity... We will probably never make a dent in our debt; so, let's at least not continue to run deficits that add to the debt. 1T in debt service is not a healthy place to be!

I know some will disagree with deficits and/or debts being at an alarming place; well, we will just have to disagree.

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Your preferred candidate doesn't want to do anything with entitlement spending.

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1T in debt service is a lot!!! How much are we over paying in entitlements?

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entitlements are what is leading to the deficits in the budget and the ballooning of debt service.

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I've gotta agree with hokie here, it's definitely a problem

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The problem is that since these "entitlements" (which are actually "earned benefits") have existed conservatives have wanted to get rid of them, so for decades they've gutted taxes while spiking the deficit in an effort to starve them to death.

If it's such a huge problem, maybe stop doing that?

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no, the issue is that there aren't enough people in Gen X to mooch off of to get to the next generation. So, to keep benefits the same, you're going to have to double the tax rate on all tax brackets.

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I think most people will receive far more, than they put in, using a reasonable return rate. Also, (and I don't know this for sure) Medicare probably receives far less than is put out each year.

Regarding Social Security, I am very confident I will never get out what I put in, even with the cap, on earnings, we've seen for so long. Now, if they continue to increase, or do away with, the cap, I will continue to subsidize the program. As far as I'm concerned, that was never the intentions of the program. It's now became a Ponzi scheme.

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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I read a comment on X this morning from a DC insider who said that the Senate GOP caucus was rebelling against McConnell and that rebellion was gaining momentum, hence, McConnell saw the handwriting on the wall.

---

I certainly hope that's true. The established Republicans need to get in line or move on... It's my opinion, they are as dangerous as most Dems.

First off: our deficits are a staggering number in perpetuity... We will probably never make a dent in our debt; so, let's at least not continue to run deficits that add to the debt. 1T in debt service is not a healthy place to be!

I know some will disagree with deficits and/or debts being at an alarming place; well, we will just have to disagree.

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Your preferred candidate doesn't want to do anything with entitlement spending.

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1T in debt service is a lot!!! How much are we over paying in entitlements?

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entitlements are what is leading to the deficits in the budget and the ballooning of debt service.

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Hokie, with all due respect, that's just not true, right now. Entitlements are going to be a problem in the future; however, not right now..

Remember, during the COVID years, we really never slowed down some of the balloon spending, we were doing. It's almost as if it's baked into the numbers now.

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Before this conversation goes any further, I think it best to have a consensus on the definition of "entitlement".

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That's actually is a good point. People who pay into a program expect a return; therefore, none are entitlements. Unfortunately, too many people take out more than they put in, so, damn near every program is an entitlement, for some…

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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I read a comment on X this morning from a DC insider who said that the Senate GOP caucus was rebelling against McConnell and that rebellion was gaining momentum, hence, McConnell saw the handwriting on the wall.

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I certainly hope that's true. The established Republicans need to get in line or move on... It's my opinion, they are as dangerous as most Dems.

First off: our deficits are a staggering number in perpetuity... We will probably never make a dent in our debt; so, let's at least not continue to run deficits that add to the debt. 1T in debt service is not a healthy place to be!

I know some will disagree with deficits and/or debts being at an alarming place; well, we will just have to disagree.

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Your preferred candidate doesn't want to do anything with entitlement spending.

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1T in debt service is a lot!!! How much are we over paying in entitlements?

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entitlements are what is leading to the deficits in the budget and the ballooning of debt service.

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Hokie, with all due respect, that's just not true, right now. Entitlements are going to be a problem in the future; however, not right now..

Remember, during the COVID years, we really never slowed down some of the balloon spending, we were doing. It's almost as if it's baked into the numbers now.

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that's a rounding error compared to entitlement spending over the next ten years. You boomers have screwed us Cary! Lol

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58 in March. I'm a borderline problem person. Yes, I agree.. entitlement spending will get out of control real soon. Theirs no doubt about it. That said, entitlement spending and servicing the debt is probably about the same size, plus add in another 1T for defense and we are spending a ton of money…

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If you were born in 1966, you are in the 2nd year of Generation X...

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jkpackfan said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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I read a comment on X this morning from a DC insider who said that the Senate GOP caucus was rebelling against McConnell and that rebellion was gaining momentum, hence, McConnell saw the handwriting on the wall.

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I certainly hope that's true. The established Republicans need to get in line or move on... It's my opinion, they are as dangerous as most Dems.

First off: our deficits are a staggering number in perpetuity... We will probably never make a dent in our debt; so, let's at least not continue to run deficits that add to the debt. 1T in debt service is not a healthy place to be!

I know some will disagree with deficits and/or debts being at an alarming place; well, we will just have to disagree.

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Your preferred candidate doesn't want to do anything with entitlement spending.

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1T in debt service is a lot!!! How much are we over paying in entitlements?

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entitlements are what is leading to the deficits in the budget and the ballooning of debt service.

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I've gotta agree with hokie here, it's definitely a problem.

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The problem is that since these "entitlements" (which are actually "earned benefits") have existed conservatives have wanted to get rid of them, so for decades they've gutted taxes while spiking the deficit in an effort to starve them to death.

If it's such a huge problem, maybe stop doing that?

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no, the issue is that there aren't enough people in Gen X to mooch off of to get to the next generation. So, to keep benefits the same, you're going to have to double the tax rate on all tax brackets.

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Conservatives have been insisting that these programs are unworkable since they've existed, doom is always just around the corner, you'll never get what you paid in, moochers are stealing your money, etc, etc, etc. And of course there's the endless scam of Republicans jacking up the deficit and then saying "I declaya! Would you just look at this deficit! I'm afraid we got no choice but to slash these big gubmint programs!"

But yeah, sorry, even with Boomers blowing things up the problem just isn't that intractable. For Social Security, ditching the rich guy cap alone would get you 80% of the way towards solvency. From there you could raise payroll taxes from like 6.2% to 6.4% and the system is completely solvent with full benefits. Or don't raise the cap and let the working stiffs pay like 7.6% instead. Either way, not exactly the end of the world.

Medicare is also not that hard to fix, and in many ways the ACA has put the program in much better shape anyway.

Funny how an ideology that wants to prove that anything we do collectively is a catastrophe always sees a catastrophe.

SmaptyWolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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jkpackfan said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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I read a comment on X this morning from a DC insider who said that the Senate GOP caucus was rebelling against McConnell and that rebellion was gaining momentum, hence, McConnell saw the handwriting on the wall.

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I certainly hope that's true. The established Republicans need to get in line or move on... It's my opinion, they are as dangerous as most Dems.

First off: our deficits are a staggering number in perpetuity... We will probably never make a dent in our debt; so, let's at least not continue to run deficits that add to the debt. 1T in debt service is not a healthy place to be!

I know some will disagree with deficits and/or debts being at an alarming place; well, we will just have to disagree.

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Your preferred candidate doesn't want to do anything with entitlement spending.

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1T in debt service is a lot!!! How much are we over paying in entitlements?

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entitlements are what is leading to the deficits in the budget and the ballooning of debt service.

---

I've gotta agree with hokie here, it's definitely a problem.

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The problem is that since these "entitlements" (which are actually "earned benefits") have existed conservatives have wanted to get rid of them, so for decades they've gutted taxes while spiking the deficit in an effort to starve them to death.

If it's such a huge problem, maybe stop doing that?

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no, the issue is that there aren't enough people in Gen X to mooch off of to get to the next generation. So, to keep benefits the same, you're going to have to double the tax rate on all tax brackets.

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Conservatives have been insisting that these programs are unworkable since they've existed, doom is always just around the corner, you'll never get what you paid in, moochers are stealing your money, etc, etc, etc. And of course there's the endless scam of Republicans jacking up the deficit and then saying "I declaya! Would you just look at this deficit! I'm afraid we got no choice but to slash these big gubmint programs!"

But yeah, sorry, even with Boomers blowing things up the problem just isn't that intractable. For Social Security, ditching the rich guy cap alone would get you 80% of the way towards solvency. From there you could raise payroll taxes from like 6.2% to 6.4% and the system is completely solvent with full benefits. Or don't raise the cap and let the working stiffs pay like 7.6% instead. Either way, not exactly the end of the world.

Medicare is also not that hard to fix, and in many ways the ACA has put the program in much better shape anyway.

Funny how an ideology that wants to prove that anything we do collectively is a catastrophe always sees a catastrophe.

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All good thoughts, just completely wrong.

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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I read a comment on X this morning from a DC insider who said that the Senate GOP caucus was rebelling against McConnell and that rebellion was gaining momentum, hence, McConnell saw the handwriting on the wall.

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I certainly hope that's true. The established Republicans need to get in line or move on... It's my opinion, they are as dangerous as most Dems.

First off: our deficits are a staggering number in perpetuity... We will probably never make a dent in our debt; so, let's at least not continue to run deficits that add to the debt. 1T in debt service is not a healthy place to be!

I know some will disagree with deficits and/or debts being at an alarming place; well, we will just have to disagree.

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Your preferred candidate doesn't want to do anything with entitlement spending.

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1T in debt service is a lot!!! How much are we over paying in entitlements?

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entitlements are what is leading to the deficits in the budget and the ballooning of debt service.

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I've gotta agree with hokie here, it's definitely a problem.

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The problem is that since these "entitlements" (which are actually "earned benefits") have existed conservatives have wanted to get rid of them, so for decades they've gutted taxes while spiking the deficit in an effort to starve them to death.

If it's such a huge problem, maybe stop doing that?

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no, the issue is that there aren't enough people in Gen X to mooch off of to get to the next generation. So, to keep benefits the same, you're going to have to double the tax rate on all tax brackets.

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Conservatives have been insisting that these programs are unworkable since they've existed, doom is always just around the corner, you'll never get what you paid in, moochers are stealing your money, etc, etc, etc. And of course there's the endless scam of Republicans jacking up the deficit and then saying "I declaya! Would you just look at this deficit! I'm afraid we got no choice but to slash these big gubmint programs!"

But yeah, sorry, even with Boomers blowing things up the problem just isn't that intractable. For Social Security, ditching the rich guy cap alone would get you 80% of the way towards solvency. From there you could raise payroll taxes from like 6.2% to 6.4% and the system is completely solvent with full benefits. Or don't raise the cap and let the working stiffs pay like 7.6% instead. Either way, not exactly the end of the world.

Medicare is also not that hard to fix, and in many ways the ACA has put the program in much better shape anyway.

Funny how an ideology that wants to prove that anything we do collectively is a catastrophe always sees a catastrophe.

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All good thoughts, just completely wrong.

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Lol, which part? That you guys have been trying to gut these programs since they've existed? Or that you've been swimming for a lifetime in anti-"entitlement" propaganda using endless statistical tricks to "prove" that the programs need to be gutted soon or we're doomed?

LOL ;-)

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I read a comment on X this morning from a DC insider who said that the Senate GOP caucus was rebelling against McConnell and that rebellion was gaining momentum, hence, McConnell saw the handwriting on the wall.

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I certainly hope that's true. The established Republicans need to get in line or move on... It's my opinion, they are as dangerous as most Dems.

First off: our deficits are a staggering number in perpetuity... We will probably never make a dent in our debt; so, let's at least not continue to run deficits that add to the debt. 1T in debt service is not a healthy place to be!

I know some will disagree with deficits and/or debts being at an alarming place; well, we will just have to disagree.

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Your preferred candidate doesn't want to do anything with entitlement spending.

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1T in debt service is a lot!!! How much are we over paying in entitlements?

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entitlements are what is leading to the deficits in the budget and the ballooning of debt service.

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I've gotta agree with hokie here, it's definitely a problem.

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The problem is that since these "entitlements" (which are actually "earned benefits") have existed conservatives have wanted to get rid of them, so for decades they've gutted taxes while spiking the deficit in an effort to starve them to death.

If it's such a huge problem, maybe stop doing that?

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no, the issue is that there aren't enough people in Gen X to mooch off of to get to the next generation. So, to keep benefits the same, you're going to have to double the tax rate on all tax brackets.

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Conservatives have been insisting that these programs are unworkable since they've existed, doom is always just around the corner, you'll never get what you paid in, moochers are stealing your money, etc, etc, etc. And of course there's the endless scam of Republicans jacking up the deficit and then saying "I declaya! Would you just look at this deficit! I'm afraid we got no choice but to slash these big gubmint programs!"

But yeah, sorry, even with Boomers blowing things up the problem just isn't that intractable. For Social Security, ditching the rich guy cap alone would get you 80% of the way towards solvency. From there you could raise payroll taxes from like 6.2% to 6.4% and the system is completely solvent with full benefits. Or don't raise the cap and let the working stiffs pay like 7.6% instead. Either way, not exactly the end of the world.

Medicare is also not that hard to fix, and in many ways the ACA has put the program in much better shape anyway.

Funny how an ideology that wants to prove that anything we do collectively is a catastrophe always sees a catastrophe.

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All good thoughts, just completely wrong.

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Lol, which part? That you guys have been trying to gut these programs since they've existed? Or that you've been swimming for a lifetime in anti-"entitlement" propaganda using endless statistical tricks to "prove" that the programs need to be gutted soon or we're doomed?

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we are doomed. Stagflation will occur if we don't get entitlement spending under control. When in 10 years we're at 180% of the GMP on entitlements, then what?

hokiewolf said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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jkpackfan said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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I read a comment on X this morning from a DC insider who said that the Senate GOP caucus was rebelling against McConnell and that rebellion was gaining momentum, hence, McConnell saw the handwriting on the wall.

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I certainly hope that's true. The established Republicans need to get in line or move on... It's my opinion, they are as dangerous as most Dems.

First off: our deficits are a staggering number in perpetuity... We will probably never make a dent in our debt; so, let's at least not continue to run deficits that add to the debt. 1T in debt service is not a healthy place to be!

I know some will disagree with deficits and/or debts being at an alarming place; well, we will just have to disagree.

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Your preferred candidate doesn't want to do anything with entitlement spending.

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1T in debt service is a lot!!! How much are we over paying in entitlements?

---

entitlements are what is leading to the deficits in the budget and the ballooning of debt service.

---

I've gotta agree with hokie here, it's definitely a problem.

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The problem is that since these "entitlements" (which are actually "earned benefits") have existed conservatives have wanted to get rid of them, so for decades they've gutted taxes while spiking the deficit in an effort to starve them to death.

If it's such a huge problem, maybe stop doing that?

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no, the issue is that there aren't enough people in Gen X to mooch off of to get to the next generation. So, to keep benefits the same, you're going to have to double the tax rate on all tax brackets.

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Conservatives have been insisting that these programs are unworkable since they've existed, doom is always just around the corner, you'll never get what you paid in, moochers are stealing your money, etc, etc, etc. And of course there's the endless scam of Republicans jacking up the deficit and then saying "I declaya! Would you just look at this deficit! I'm afraid we got no choice but to slash these big gubmint programs!"

But yeah, sorry, even with Boomers blowing things up the problem just isn't that intractable. For Social Security, ditching the rich guy cap alone would get you 80% of the way towards solvency. From there you could raise payroll taxes from like 6.2% to 6.4% and the system is completely solvent with full benefits. Or don't raise the cap and let the working stiffs pay like 7.6% instead. Either way, not exactly the end of the world.

Medicare is also not that hard to fix, and in many ways the ACA has put the program in much better shape anyway.

Funny how an ideology that wants to prove that anything we do collectively is a catastrophe always sees a catastrophe.

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All good thoughts, just completely wrong.

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Lol, which part? That you guys have been trying to gut these programs since they've existed? Or that you've been swimming for a lifetime in anti-"entitlement" propaganda using endless statistical tricks to "prove" that the programs need to be gutted soon or we're doomed?

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we are doomed. Stagflation will occur if we don't get entitlement spending under control. When in 10 years we're at 180% of the GMP on entitlements, then what?

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I dunno, wait for the boomers to die off and then watch the deficit drop like a rock again? Japan's been at like 230% of GDP for a while and they're doing pretty well these days actually, so I think we'd survive in the meantime.

If it really bothers you though we could always -gasp- raise taxes a percent or two. DOOM!!!

You guys talk about tax cuts as if the lower bound is zero. Maybe it's actually not. But you see the deficit now and say the only solution is to get grandma back on the street eating cat food... we just can't afford you, granny! Couldn't possibly be that you handed the Great Gatsby one too many tax breaks?

hokiewolf said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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jkpackfan said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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I read a comment on X this morning from a DC insider who said that the Senate GOP caucus was rebelling against McConnell and that rebellion was gaining momentum, hence, McConnell saw the handwriting on the wall.

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I certainly hope that's true. The established Republicans need to get in line or move on... It's my opinion, they are as dangerous as most Dems.

First off: our deficits are a staggering number in perpetuity... We will probably never make a dent in our debt; so, let's at least not continue to run deficits that add to the debt. 1T in debt service is not a healthy place to be!

I know some will disagree with deficits and/or debts being at an alarming place; well, we will just have to disagree.

---

Your preferred candidate doesn't want to do anything with entitlement spending.

---

1T in debt service is a lot!!! How much are we over paying in entitlements?

---

entitlements are what is leading to the deficits in the budget and the ballooning of debt service.

---

I've gotta agree with hokie here, it's definitely a problem.

---

The problem is that since these "entitlements" (which are actually "earned benefits") have existed conservatives have wanted to get rid of them, so for decades they've gutted taxes while spiking the deficit in an effort to starve them to death.

If it's such a huge problem, maybe stop doing that?

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no, the issue is that there aren't enough people in Gen X to mooch off of to get to the next generation. So, to keep benefits the same, you're going to have to double the tax rate on all tax brackets.

---

Conservatives have been insisting that these programs are unworkable since they've existed, doom is always just around the corner, you'll never get what you paid in, moochers are stealing your money, etc, etc, etc. And of course there's the endless scam of Republicans jacking up the deficit and then saying "I declaya! Would you just look at this deficit! I'm afraid we got no choice but to slash these big gubmint programs!"

But yeah, sorry, even with Boomers blowing things up the problem just isn't that intractable. For Social Security, ditching the rich guy cap alone would get you 80% of the way towards solvency. From there you could raise payroll taxes from like 6.2% to 6.4% and the system is completely solvent with full benefits. Or don't raise the cap and let the working stiffs pay like 7.6% instead. Either way, not exactly the end of the world.

Medicare is also not that hard to fix, and in many ways the ACA has put the program in much better shape anyway.

Funny how an ideology that wants to prove that anything we do collectively is a catastrophe always sees a catastrophe.

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All good thoughts, just completely wrong.

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Lol, which part? That you guys have been trying to gut these programs since they've existed? Or that you've been swimming for a lifetime in anti-"entitlement" propaganda using endless statistical tricks to "prove" that the programs need to be gutted soon or we're doomed?

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we are doomed. Stagflation will occur if we don't get entitlement spending under control. When in 10 years we're at 180% of the GMP on entitlements, then what?

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There's no question that we're facing a sovereign debt crisis. I remember stagflation in the seventies, this will likely be far worse. The only medicine would be just as harsh…a cataclysmic crash in the equity and credit markets wrenching massive liquidity out of the system leading to full blown deflation…just as awful in its own way, particularly for debtors. China is reportedly getting a small taste of this now, painful, but not yet on the scale I'm describing. The Fed will fight this scenario at all costs, as continual inflation is their life raft for attempting to deal with a sovereign debt crisis that perhaps cannot really be dealt with.

Oldsouljer said:

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hokiewolf said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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jkpackfan said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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I read a comment on X this morning from a DC insider who said that the Senate GOP caucus was rebelling against McConnell and that rebellion was gaining momentum, hence, McConnell saw the handwriting on the wall.

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I certainly hope that's true. The established Republicans need to get in line or move on... It's my opinion, they are as dangerous as most Dems.

First off: our deficits are a staggering number in perpetuity... We will probably never make a dent in our debt; so, let's at least not continue to run deficits that add to the debt. 1T in debt service is not a healthy place to be!

I know some will disagree with deficits and/or debts being at an alarming place; well, we will just have to disagree.

---

Your preferred candidate doesn't want to do anything with entitlement spending.

---

1T in debt service is a lot!!! How much are we over paying in entitlements?

---

entitlements are what is leading to the deficits in the budget and the ballooning of debt service.

---

I've gotta agree with hokie here, it's definitely a problem.

---

The problem is that since these "entitlements" (which are actually "earned benefits") have existed conservatives have wanted to get rid of them, so for decades they've gutted taxes while spiking the deficit in an effort to starve them to death.

If it's such a huge problem, maybe stop doing that?

---

no, the issue is that there aren't enough people in Gen X to mooch off of to get to the next generation. So, to keep benefits the same, you're going to have to double the tax rate on all tax brackets.

---

Conservatives have been insisting that these programs are unworkable since they've existed, doom is always just around the corner, you'll never get what you paid in, moochers are stealing your money, etc, etc, etc. And of course there's the endless scam of Republicans jacking up the deficit and then saying "I declaya! Would you just look at this deficit! I'm afraid we got no choice but to slash these big gubmint programs!"

But yeah, sorry, even with Boomers blowing things up the problem just isn't that intractable. For Social Security, ditching the rich guy cap alone would get you 80% of the way towards solvency. From there you could raise payroll taxes from like 6.2% to 6.4% and the system is completely solvent with full benefits. Or don't raise the cap and let the working stiffs pay like 7.6% instead. Either way, not exactly the end of the world.

Medicare is also not that hard to fix, and in many ways the ACA has put the program in much better shape anyway.

Funny how an ideology that wants to prove that anything we do collectively is a catastrophe always sees a catastrophe.

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All good thoughts, just completely wrong.

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Lol, which part? That you guys have been trying to gut these programs since they've existed? Or that you've been swimming for a lifetime in anti-"entitlement" propaganda using endless statistical tricks to "prove" that the programs need to be gutted soon or we're doomed?

---

we are doomed. Stagflation will occur if we don't get entitlement spending under control. When in 10 years we're at 180% of the GMP on entitlements, then what?

---

There's no question that we're facing a sovereign debt crisis. I remember stagflation in the seventies, this will likely be far worse. The only medicine would be just as harsh…a cataclysmic crash in the equity and credit markets wrenching massive liquidity out of the system leading to full blown deflation…just as awful in its own way, particularly for debtors. China is reportedly getting a small taste of this now, painful, but not yet on the scale I'm describing. The Fed will fight this scenario at all costs, as continual inflation is their life raft for attempting to deal with a sovereign debt crisis that perhaps cannot really be dealt with.

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Lol, you know you're talking to a macroeconomic expert when they break out the term "sovereign debt crises".

SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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jkpackfan said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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I read a comment on X this morning from a DC insider who said that the Senate GOP caucus was rebelling against McConnell and that rebellion was gaining momentum, hence, McConnell saw the handwriting on the wall.

---

I certainly hope that's true. The established Republicans need to get in line or move on... It's my opinion, they are as dangerous as most Dems.

First off: our deficits are a staggering number in perpetuity... We will probably never make a dent in our debt; so, let's at least not continue to run deficits that add to the debt. 1T in debt service is not a healthy place to be!

I know some will disagree with deficits and/or debts being at an alarming place; well, we will just have to disagree.

---

Your preferred candidate doesn't want to do anything with entitlement spending.

---

1T in debt service is a lot!!! How much are we over paying in entitlements?

---

entitlements are what is leading to the deficits in the budget and the ballooning of debt service.

---

I've gotta agree with hokie here, it's definitely a problem.

---

The problem is that since these "entitlements" (which are actually "earned benefits") have existed conservatives have wanted to get rid of them, so for decades they've gutted taxes while spiking the deficit in an effort to starve them to death.

If it's such a huge problem, maybe stop doing that?

---

no, the issue is that there aren't enough people in Gen X to mooch off of to get to the next generation. So, to keep benefits the same, you're going to have to double the tax rate on all tax brackets.

---

Conservatives have been insisting that these programs are unworkable since they've existed, doom is always just around the corner, you'll never get what you paid in, moochers are stealing your money, etc, etc, etc. And of course there's the endless scam of Republicans jacking up the deficit and then saying "I declaya! Would you just look at this deficit! I'm afraid we got no choice but to slash these big gubmint programs!"

But yeah, sorry, even with Boomers blowing things up the problem just isn't that intractable. For Social Security, ditching the rich guy cap alone would get you 80% of the way towards solvency. From there you could raise payroll taxes from like 6.2% to 6.4% and the system is completely solvent with full benefits. Or don't raise the cap and let the working stiffs pay like 7.6% instead. Either way, not exactly the end of the world.

Medicare is also not that hard to fix, and in many ways the ACA has put the program in much better shape anyway.

Funny how an ideology that wants to prove that anything we do collectively is a catastrophe always sees a catastrophe.

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All good thoughts, just completely wrong.

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Liberals are always looking to find a way for some to support the many. I will never get out what I put in. This program was supposed to work as an investment; however, it has been turned into an entitlement for many.

I'm sorry, but I'm tired of paying into something that I'll never see a complete return. As a person, that is a so-called Wall Street guy, a negative return doesn't work…. Wait, that's right, he wanted a bailout!!

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Lol, it cracks me up that you think you're trolling me about Lehman Brothers going under. Ancient history.

Since you're clearly not a Wall St guy, let me help you out. Conservative fan fiction aside, you actually aren't getting a negative return from Social Security, although thinking of it in terms of a "return" is a little wacky since it's more like a pension or an annuity. But regardless, even at the worst case edge of the spectrum of income and age variables, your getting a "return" of around 4.52% (best case around 6.52%). Risk free! For most folks who are financially illiterate you could do much worse.

I think you're confusing reality with your fear that conservative efforts to screw people out of their payments might become a reality. They won't. I can guarantee no politician would survive that electoral stupidity. America has seen tent cities in Central Park and parents eating cat food. We ain't going back there, no matter how many moronic Ayn Rand books you guys read.

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Can I get mine now? I want to cash out. At the same time, I don't want to invest anymore.

Thoughts?

This is a good representation of the real state of things.

SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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jkpackfan said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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I read a comment on X this morning from a DC insider who said that the Senate GOP caucus was rebelling against McConnell and that rebellion was gaining momentum, hence, McConnell saw the handwriting on the wall.

---

I certainly hope that's true. The established Republicans need to get in line or move on... It's my opinion, they are as dangerous as most Dems.

First off: our deficits are a staggering number in perpetuity... We will probably never make a dent in our debt; so, let's at least not continue to run deficits that add to the debt. 1T in debt service is not a healthy place to be!

I know some will disagree with deficits and/or debts being at an alarming place; well, we will just have to disagree.

---

Your preferred candidate doesn't want to do anything with entitlement spending.

---

1T in debt service is a lot!!! How much are we over paying in entitlements?

---

entitlements are what is leading to the deficits in the budget and the ballooning of debt service.

---

I've gotta agree with hokie here, it's definitely a problem.

---

The problem is that since these "entitlements" (which are actually "earned benefits") have existed conservatives have wanted to get rid of them, so for decades they've gutted taxes while spiking the deficit in an effort to starve them to death.

If it's such a huge problem, maybe stop doing that?

---

no, the issue is that there aren't enough people in Gen X to mooch off of to get to the next generation. So, to keep benefits the same, you're going to have to double the tax rate on all tax brackets.

---

Conservatives have been insisting that these programs are unworkable since they've existed, doom is always just around the corner, you'll never get what you paid in, moochers are stealing your money, etc, etc, etc. And of course there's the endless scam of Republicans jacking up the deficit and then saying "I declaya! Would you just look at this deficit! I'm afraid we got no choice but to slash these big gubmint programs!"

But yeah, sorry, even with Boomers blowing things up the problem just isn't that intractable. For Social Security, ditching the rich guy cap alone would get you 80% of the way towards solvency. From there you could raise payroll taxes from like 6.2% to 6.4% and the system is completely solvent with full benefits. Or don't raise the cap and let the working stiffs pay like 7.6% instead. Either way, not exactly the end of the world.

Medicare is also not that hard to fix, and in many ways the ACA has put the program in much better shape anyway.

Funny how an ideology that wants to prove that anything we do collectively is a catastrophe always sees a catastrophe.

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All good thoughts, just completely wrong.

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Liberals are always looking to find a way for some to support the many. I will never get out what I put in. This program was supposed to work as an investment; however, it has been turned into an entitlement for many.

I'm sorry, but I'm tired of paying into something that I'll never see a complete return. As a person, that is a so-called Wall Street guy, a negative return doesn't work…. Wait, that's right, he wanted a bailout!!

---

Lol, it cracks me up that you think you're trolling me about Lehman Brothers going under. Ancient history.

Since you're clearly not a Wall St guy, let me help you out. Conservative fan fiction aside, you actually aren't getting a negative return from Social Security, although thinking of it in terms of a "return" is a little wacky since it's more like a pension or an annuity. But regardless, even at the worst case edge of the spectrum of income and age variables, your getting a "return" of around 4.52% (best case around 6.52%). Risk free! For most folks who are financially illiterate you could do much worse.

I think you're confusing reality with your fear that conservative efforts to screw people out of their payments might become a reality. They won't. I can guarantee no politician would survive that electoral stupidity. America has seen tent cities in Central Park and parents eating cat food. We ain't going back there, no matter how many moronic Ayn Rand books you guys read.

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Can I get mine now? I want to cash out. At the same time, I don't want to invest anymore.

Thoughts?

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Nope! Sorry, that's the price of living in the strongest economy on the planet. Our safety net is part of the reason why. Just ask China right now... among a few other systemic problems, their aversion to having a safety net (which forces their people to save way too much) has absolutely screwed them.

Here's a thought! Pack up and move your extended family to Haiti. It's a Libertarian paradise! Barely any federal government to speak of, and definitely no safety net. Your ancestors will thank you for such a smart, tax saving move.

Anyway, hopefully now you can stop bawling about all of your hard earned money going to the poors. Social Security ain't Welfare.

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That's exactly what it is, for some.

hokiewolf said:

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This is a good representation of the real state of things.

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If you're interested in the real state of things, you should probably avoid "economists" that work for partisan think tanks.

Vote Trump.

US history in the last 8 years: Democrats have destroyed every norm, repeatedly used classic authoritarian and anti-democratic tactics, and embraced censorship and weaponization of the law in the name of .... saving democracy.

They are exactly what they claim they fight: https://t.co/2maNhvaqVP

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) March 1, 2024

SmaptyWolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

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This is a good representation of the real state of things.

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If you're interested in the real state of things, you should probably avoid "economists" that work for partisan think tanks.

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I tend to believe a guy who is trying to feed you spinach instead of painting a rosy picture.

Time to pick a side if you havent already... This dying Marine has.

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLeUYKRA/