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My fellow Wolfpacker, I'll decide that. You have made your choice....and likewise ....you decided that.

There is much on the table and it's far more complex than we can know. It's in Gods hands if you can choose to accept that.

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Don't use God's name to talk down to those of us who are vaccinated or to advance your conspiratorial paranoia.

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You've made your choice with whatever amount of information you felt warranted. Many - such as my parent - made it early before much was known. Many - out of fear - made the choice that you have; somewhat like a cattle stampede. This topic is part of a much greater more complex series of events and you will be well served to dig deep to understand what's underway. I wish you well, fellow Wolfpacker.

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Wow-this thread took off

If some of you think this is some huge conspiracy, I guess time will only tell. It definitely knocked Trump out of office but you will have a hard time getting me to believe that it was some master plan. But who the hell knows I guess.

For those that think the vaccine is evil, do you think all the world's leaders are in on this as every country in the world is in on this? There is no conclusive research on any of this so keep an open mind

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What exactly knocked Trump out of office? Do you think COVID was created to knock him out of office? Or do you think his warp speed vaccine program was used to knock him out? I'm not following.

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You guys will have to find the info yourselves but you won't find it on your news channels. Ricky Logo and the other coaches may have actually done significant homework. I have literally spent hundreds of hours on this topic. .

And if you've already put the **** in your veins, you are most probably not receptive to the truth. I pray for you.

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Don't like the government mandates, but a private business should be able to do whatever they want. I wish more businesses were requiring vaccinations. It might get us through this mess sooner. Of course, I also agree that it's a personal choice. My only thing is I can't fathom why anyone would make the personal choice to not get vaccinated. It's clearly safe and effective. Why would anyone want to risk getting sick or dying from this crap? I'll also never get why it became political in the first place. It's a matter of public health. How's that political?

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How is it political? Probably because the CDC had completely failed and become a political organization. They are but an arm of the Democrat party now.

CDC Dr. Rochelle Walensky says that even if kids get vaccinated (per FDA approval) schools should still have mask mandates

"As we head into these winter months, we cannot be complacent."

— Charlie Spiering (@charliespiering) October 20, 2021

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Anybody with 1/2 a brain would know civ's statement are completely out of context or just plain false.

1/2 a brain… that probably explains why Civ said those things…

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Out of context? Sure, Cary, you're right. Trump was a victim of the meanie media.

He was a victim, just of his own itchy Twitter finger and lack of a filter.

Civ, do you believe more people follow Twitter than mainstream news outlets?

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How is it political? Probably because the CDC had completely failed and become a political organization. They are but an arm of the Democrat party now.

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LOLOL

Being overly conservative on masks is pure political theater, but manipulating scientists' reports to support your political agenda is kosher?

What party were they an arm of when they were being manipulated by the previous administration?

CNBC: Trump officials bragged about pressuring CDC to alter Covid reports, emails reveal

"Congressional investigators released emails and documents Friday that show Department of Health and Human Services appointees under former President Donald Trump regularly bragged about their efforts to alter staff scientists' reports on the coronavirus.

Officials tried to rewrite the weekly scientific reports so Trump could use the data to support his political positions on wearing masks and reopening the economy, according to the emails released Friday by the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus."

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caryking said:

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Anybody with 1/2 a brain would know civ's statement are completely out of context or just plain false.

1/2 a brain… that probably explains why Civ said those things…

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Out of context? Sure, Cary, you're right. Trump was a victim of the meanie media.

He was a victim, just of his own itchy Twitter finger and lack of a filter.

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Lol if that were the only thing he lacked he would probably still be president.

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Don't like the government mandates, but a private business should be able to do whatever they want. I wish more businesses were requiring vaccinations. It might get us through this mess sooner. Of course, I also agree that it's a personal choice. My only thing is I can't fathom why anyone would make the personal choice to not get vaccinated. It's clearly safe and effective. Why would anyone want to risk getting sick or dying from this crap? I'll also never get why it became political in the first place. It's a matter of public health. How's that political?

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How is it political? Probably because the CDC had completely failed and become a political organization. They are but an arm of the Democrat party now.

CDC Dr. Rochelle Walensky says that even if kids get vaccinated (per FDA approval) schools should still have mask mandates

"As we head into these winter months, we cannot be complacent."

— Charlie Spiering (@charliespiering) October 20, 2021

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Okay, but just curious. What about that Twitter statement makes you believe the CDC has become "an arm of the Democratic party?" Is it the desire to keep mask mandates in schools? That's a prime example of something that I don't think should have become political. Not arguing that it wasn't...it certainly was. You could walk around the General Assembly building in Raleigh before vaccinations were available and every Dem was wearing a mask. Many Republicans were too, but definitely not all. I guess I just view it from a logical, as opposed to an emotional, standpoint. Masks are effective in stopping the spread of viruses. Even vaccinated people can spread the virus...they're just not getting as sick or dying at the same rates as the unvaccinated. Why wouldn't it be prudent to keep kids in school in masks? And why is it a Dem v. Pub issue in the first place?

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Where's Jordan Klepper when you need him?

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The latest from Iowa was really solid

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Civ, do you believe more people follow Twitter than mainstream news outlets?

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I'm sure that answer varies by demographic but I'd be pretty confident social media news consumption rivals mainstream media at this point.

Twitter specifically? Don't know.

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MrStateFanGuy said:

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Former Wolfpack star DT fired along with Washington State HC Nick Rolovich and three other WSU assistants for refusing the vaccine.

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Good for them. I'm all for people making their own choices.

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Tick tick tick tick tick tick……

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Southwest Airlines says "here, hold my beer"…

Looks like the clock has struck 12 and the coach isn't turning into a pumpkin afterall.

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packgrad said:

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packgrad said:

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How is it political? Probably because the CDC had completely failed and become a political organization. They are but an arm of the Democrat party now.

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LOLOL

Being overly conservative on masks is pure political theater, but manipulating scientists' reports to support your political agenda is kosher?

What party were they an arm of when they were being manipulated by the previous administration?

CNBC: Trump officials bragged about pressuring CDC to alter Covid reports, emails reveal

"Congressional investigators released emails and documents Friday that show Department of Health and Human Services appointees under former President Donald Trump regularly bragged about their efforts to alter staff scientists' reports on the coronavirus.

Officials tried to rewrite the weekly scientific reports so Trump could use the data to support his political positions on wearing masks and reopening the economy, according to the emails released Friday by the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus."

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LOLOL. Now officials don't have to pressure the CDC at all. They just work hand in hand to drive unscientific narratives.

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To what end? What possible/useful purpose would that serve for anyone? It certainly doesn't help the incumbent party as a fully open society would mean jobs( elections are generally about the economy and/or safety) and in theory higher ratings for the president and the Democratic Party. I don't buy the theory that "hmmm- let's keep up the masking guidance for school children even though we know it doesn't work- just to piss people off. That should give us a big bump in the polls". I mean c'mon man.

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How have masks stopped the spread? It's clear that the Democrat party is all in on masks and more power. I think we will see in the next election that they misread the room.

Wufhart said:

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packgrad said:

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packgrad said:

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How is it political? Probably because the CDC had completely failed and become a political organization. They are but an arm of the Democrat party now.

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LOLOL

Being overly conservative on masks is pure political theater, but manipulating scientists' reports to support your political agenda is kosher?

What party were they an arm of when they were being manipulated by the previous administration?

CNBC: Trump officials bragged about pressuring CDC to alter Covid reports, emails reveal

"Congressional investigators released emails and documents Friday that show Department of Health and Human Services appointees under former President Donald Trump regularly bragged about their efforts to alter staff scientists' reports on the coronavirus.

Officials tried to rewrite the weekly scientific reports so Trump could use the data to support his political positions on wearing masks and reopening the economy, according to the emails released Friday by the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus."

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LOLOL. Now officials don't have to pressure the CDC at all. They just work hand in hand to drive unscientific narratives.

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To what end? What possible/useful purpose would that serve for anyone? It certainly doesn't help the incumbent party as a fully open society would mean jobs( elections are generally about the economy and/or safety) and in theory higher ratings for the president and the Democratic Party. I don't buy the theory that "hmmm- let's keep up the masking guidance for school children even though we know it doesn't work- just to piss people off. That should give us a big bump in the polls". I mean c'mon man.

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LOL. Let me guess…

Posting this in multiple threads:

Biden Admin is freaking out about who is leaking to Posobiec, per WH official https://t.co/4hj2zyUWxW

— Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) October 20, 2021

packgrad said:

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Wufhart said:

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packgrad said:

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Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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How is it political? Probably because the CDC had completely failed and become a political organization. They are but an arm of the Democrat party now.

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LOLOL

Being overly conservative on masks is pure political theater, but manipulating scientists' reports to support your political agenda is kosher?

What party were they an arm of when they were being manipulated by the previous administration?

CNBC: Trump officials bragged about pressuring CDC to alter Covid reports, emails reveal

"Congressional investigators released emails and documents Friday that show Department of Health and Human Services appointees under former President Donald Trump regularly bragged about their efforts to alter staff scientists' reports on the coronavirus.

Officials tried to rewrite the weekly scientific reports so Trump could use the data to support his political positions on wearing masks and reopening the economy, according to the emails released Friday by the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus."

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LOLOL. Now officials don't have to pressure the CDC at all. They just work hand in hand to drive unscientific narratives.

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To what end? What possible/useful purpose would that serve for anyone? It certainly doesn't help the incumbent party as a fully open society would mean jobs( elections are generally about the economy and/or safety) and in theory higher ratings for the president and the Democratic Party. I don't buy the theory that "hmmm- let's keep up the masking guidance for school children even though we know it doesn't work- just to piss people off. That should give us a big bump in the polls". I mean c'mon man.

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How have masks stopped the spread? It's clear that the Democrat party is all in on masks and more power. I think we will see in the next election that they misread the room.

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I think you just made my point. To what end would this serve their agenda particularly as it relates to remaining the majority party in power? Now maybe your theory is just that the incumbent party is just too stupid to know when to stop but honestly I believe they know what the temperature is and there is no underestimating the backlash. Again the "I'm all in with a 2-7 off suit" theory just doesn't make a strong argument. As to your question "do masks work"? On their own it's not a solution but as part of a comprehensive solution they do. Do they provide some level of protection on their own? Yes. The caveat being it has to be more than just a fabric mask and preferably N95 or even K95. And when you have kids who can't be vaccinated it's the best option for now. The theory that kids don't get very sick has already and unfortunately been shown to be untrue. I get it, it sucks for kids but for now if it saves one of their or their teachers or parents/grandparents lives it's worth it.

Wufhart said:

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packgrad said:

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Wufhart said:

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packgrad said:

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packgrad said:

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How is it political? Probably because the CDC had completely failed and become a political organization. They are but an arm of the Democrat party now.

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LOLOL

Being overly conservative on masks is pure political theater, but manipulating scientists' reports to support your political agenda is kosher?

What party were they an arm of when they were being manipulated by the previous administration?

CNBC: Trump officials bragged about pressuring CDC to alter Covid reports, emails reveal

"Congressional investigators released emails and documents Friday that show Department of Health and Human Services appointees under former President Donald Trump regularly bragged about their efforts to alter staff scientists' reports on the coronavirus.

Officials tried to rewrite the weekly scientific reports so Trump could use the data to support his political positions on wearing masks and reopening the economy, according to the emails released Friday by the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus."

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LOLOL. Now officials don't have to pressure the CDC at all. They just work hand in hand to drive unscientific narratives.

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To what end? What possible/useful purpose would that serve for anyone? It certainly doesn't help the incumbent party as a fully open society would mean jobs( elections are generally about the economy and/or safety) and in theory higher ratings for the president and the Democratic Party. I don't buy the theory that "hmmm- let's keep up the masking guidance for school children even though we know it doesn't work- just to piss people off. That should give us a big bump in the polls". I mean c'mon man.

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How have masks stopped the spread? It's clear that the Democrat party is all in on masks and more power. I think we will see in the next election that they misread the room.

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I think you just made my point. To what end would this serve their agenda particularly as it relates to remaining the majority party in power? Now maybe your theory is just that the incumbent party is just too stupid to know when to stop but honestly I believe they know what the temperature is and there is no underestimating the backlash. Again the "I'm all in with a 2-7 off suit" theory just doesn't make a strong argument.

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How about just provide data that masks work for school children? Just that. The cdc hasn't. The Democrat party hasn't. But they continue to push it. Perhaps you have it since I'm the one playing 2-7. Show me your suited A-10

packgrad said:

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Wufhart said:

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packgrad said:

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Wufhart said:

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packgrad said:

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Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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How is it political? Probably because the CDC had completely failed and become a political organization. They are but an arm of the Democrat party now.

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LOLOL

Being overly conservative on masks is pure political theater, but manipulating scientists' reports to support your political agenda is kosher?

What party were they an arm of when they were being manipulated by the previous administration?

CNBC: Trump officials bragged about pressuring CDC to alter Covid reports, emails reveal

"Congressional investigators released emails and documents Friday that show Department of Health and Human Services appointees under former President Donald Trump regularly bragged about their efforts to alter staff scientists' reports on the coronavirus.

Officials tried to rewrite the weekly scientific reports so Trump could use the data to support his political positions on wearing masks and reopening the economy, according to the emails released Friday by the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus."

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LOLOL. Now officials don't have to pressure the CDC at all. They just work hand in hand to drive unscientific narratives.

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To what end? What possible/useful purpose would that serve for anyone? It certainly doesn't help the incumbent party as a fully open society would mean jobs( elections are generally about the economy and/or safety) and in theory higher ratings for the president and the Democratic Party. I don't buy the theory that "hmmm- let's keep up the masking guidance for school children even though we know it doesn't work- just to piss people off. That should give us a big bump in the polls". I mean c'mon man.

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How have masks stopped the spread? It's clear that the Democrat party is all in on masks and more power. I think we will see in the next election that they misread the room.

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I think you just made my point. To what end would this serve their agenda particularly as it relates to remaining the majority party in power? Now maybe your theory is just that the incumbent party is just too stupid to know when to stop but honestly I believe they know what the temperature is and there is no underestimating the backlash. Again the "I'm all in with a 2-7 off suit" theory just doesn't make a strong argument.

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How about just provide data that masks work for school children? Just that. The cdc hasn't. The Democrat party hasn't. But they continue to push it. Perhaps you have it since I'm the one playing 2-7. Show me your suited A-10

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I think you are in the corner that wouldn't believe the CDC or any agency regardless but here are one of several studies. You can also find them yourself. Not hard. And I did edit my original post before your quick draw reply. I know it won't matter in terms of changing your mind and that's fine. But if there was any way to trade hands from a 2-7 to even just A-10 wouldn't you take it? Doesn't guarantee a win but still in a better spot. Cheers to whatever you do. At least as a Pack fan I know we have one thing in common.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210907/masks-limit-covid-spread-study

I think without COVID, Trump would of won the election. Not that anything happened illegally but most were happy with the direction of the country

Wufhart said:

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Wufhart said:

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packgrad said:

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How is it political? Probably because the CDC had completely failed and become a political organization. They are but an arm of the Democrat party now.

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LOLOL

Being overly conservative on masks is pure political theater, but manipulating scientists' reports to support your political agenda is kosher?

What party were they an arm of when they were being manipulated by the previous administration?

CNBC: Trump officials bragged about pressuring CDC to alter Covid reports, emails reveal

"Congressional investigators released emails and documents Friday that show Department of Health and Human Services appointees under former President Donald Trump regularly bragged about their efforts to alter staff scientists' reports on the coronavirus.

Officials tried to rewrite the weekly scientific reports so Trump could use the data to support his political positions on wearing masks and reopening the economy, according to the emails released Friday by the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus."

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LOLOL. Now officials don't have to pressure the CDC at all. They just work hand in hand to drive unscientific narratives.

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To what end? What possible/useful purpose would that serve for anyone? It certainly doesn't help the incumbent party as a fully open society would mean jobs( elections are generally about the economy and/or safety) and in theory higher ratings for the president and the Democratic Party. I don't buy the theory that "hmmm- let's keep up the masking guidance for school children even though we know it doesn't work- just to piss people off. That should give us a big bump in the polls". I mean c'mon man.

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How have masks stopped the spread? It's clear that the Democrat party is all in on masks and more power. I think we will see in the next election that they misread the room.

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I think you just made my point. To what end would this serve their agenda particularly as it relates to remaining the majority party in power? Now maybe your theory is just that the incumbent party is just too stupid to know when to stop but honestly I believe they know what the temperature is and there is no underestimating the backlash. Again the "I'm all in with a 2-7 off suit" theory just doesn't make a strong argument.

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How about just provide data that masks work for school children? Just that. The cdc hasn't. The Democrat party hasn't. But they continue to push it. Perhaps you have it since I'm the one playing 2-7. Show me your suited A-10

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I think you are in the corner that wouldn't believe the CDC or any agency regardless but here are one of several studies. You can also find them yourself. Not hard. And I did edit my original post before your quick draw reply. I know it won't matter in terms of changing your mind and that's fine. But if there was any way to trade hands from a 2-7 to even just A-10 wouldn't you take it? Doesn't guarantee a win but still in a better spot. Cheers to whatever you do. At least as a Pack fan I know we have one thing in common.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210907/masks-limit-covid-spread-study

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You're right. It won't change my mind. Especially when that Bangladesh study has been essentially debunked. Masks do nothing for kids. Schools aren't mandating n95 or k95masks so it's just virtue signaling, ineffective, hogwash. The zero covid idea you have, about if it can save just one life it's worth it, isn't a feasible way to govern. Essentially that's governing by fear porn.

Statistically it isn't dangerous for children. Have children suffered from it? Yes. It's EXTREMELY unlikely they will though.

I know you want to try to paint me as some conspiracy theorist, and that's fine. The people that need to prove that mask work are the ones that demand mandates. Not the ones that think we should not have mandates.

What's sad is that even the cdc used that Bangladesh study when it first came out (hell maybe they're still using it), and actual scientists across the world immediately started raking them over the coals for it.

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Werewolf said:

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You guys will have to find the info yourselves but you won't find it on your news channels. Ricky Logo and the other coaches may have actually done significant homework. I have literally spent hundreds of hours on this topic. .

And if you've already put the **** in your veins, you are most probably not receptive to the truth. I pray for you.

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Yes, I agree that the tombstone represents about 1.5 out of 1000 people that statistically die. I'll give you that and not waste my time arguing the methods for recording COVID deaths. I'm a shade under 66-yrs old and I have no fear of this virus. Certainly, another and much more deadly virus, yet to be accidentally-released, could change that.

The current jabs actually reduce your immunity to similar viruses, I first learned of this back in about April or May when a world renowned vaccine expert - a European - was interviewed by a medical reporter. There is much more discussion on this topic now - and consistent - with this expert.

I don't share to condemn or judge others. We all pick our poison. I have chosen to share a bit to offset some of the 'ganging up' and mocking of the unvaccinated that I have seen here. I share in hopes of supporting those that remain unvaccinated and the informed choice that they made.

Good for him! Hope he tears them a new one.

https://www.cougcenter.com/2021/10/20/22736594/nick-rolovich-fired-lawsuit-wsu-cougars-pat-chun

Bell Tower Grey said:

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Good for him! Hope he tears them a new one.

https://www.cougcenter.com/2021/10/20/22736594/nick-rolovich-fired-lawsuit-wsu-cougars-pat-chun

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You knew this was coming.

Rolovich wasn't 'sacrificing' his salary; his endgame was always to take a stand and get his money too, via litigation.

You know both sides had their attorneys tell them that their position was legally defensible leading up to this. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.

My money is on a settlement rather than a drawn out legal battle.

Bell Tower Grey said:

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Good for him! Hope he tears them a new one.

https://www.cougcenter.com/2021/10/20/22736594/nick-rolovich-fired-lawsuit-wsu-cougars-pat-chun

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Burn it down!

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Bell Tower Grey said:

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Good for him! Hope he tears them a new one.

https://www.cougcenter.com/2021/10/20/22736594/nick-rolovich-fired-lawsuit-wsu-cougars-pat-chun

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You knew this was coming.

Rolovich wasn't 'sacrificing' his salary; his endgame was always to take a stand and get his money too, via litigation.

You know both sides had their attorneys tell them that their position was legally defensible leading up to this. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.

My money is on a settlement rather than a drawn out legal battle.

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Civ pulls out his crystal ball and tells us exactly what Rolovich's end was! Civ, you handing around Stevie Nicks too much with your crystal ball!

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Bell Tower Grey said:

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Good for him! Hope he tears them a new one.

https://www.cougcenter.com/2021/10/20/22736594/nick-rolovich-fired-lawsuit-wsu-cougars-pat-chun

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You knew this was coming.

Rolovich wasn't 'sacrificing' his salary; his endgame was always to take a stand and get his money too, via litigation.

You know both sides had their attorneys tell them that their position was legally defensible leading up to this. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.

My money is on a settlement rather than a drawn out legal battle.

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Civ pulls out his crystal ball and tells us exactly what Rolovich's end was! Civ, you handing around Stevie Nicks too much with your crystal ball!

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Funny that's the angle he takes on this. Rolovich's endgame wasn't to coach the team and continue the season. It was to get fired and sue the school. Zzzzzzzz.